Atlus Persona Ports Keep Getting Worse

[@Tony4You]

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[@DragonKingX78]

Yeah, but that is still no reason not to have it in the US.

[@Lelouchxzero1]

Neither FES or portable would work. They were taking the direct game with no addiotnal modifications, that would mean new players experiencing auto teammates in FES..and you showed us what the portable port is like.

[@mikhailsharon4331]

You're right. This is lazy. They could have made it into something really great but instead settle with something basic.

[@statesminds]

If they actually put in effort and combined Portable content plus more into FES as a base it’d be incredible. I’d even pay full AAA for it. Imagine male protag with male party social links, decline romance, female MC in FES with running around, cutscenes, etc. female mc the answer, Margaret’s door but in FES style. But noooo. And at the very minimum they could have added cutscenes to portable and just attached the answer. I’d rather them be available vs not but it’s dumb

[@raivin7172]

Unfortunately, we're not living in timeline where Atlus makes actual effort to do something

[@Tony4You]

Sadly, despite how amazing that would be, they just wanted the lowest possible effort for the highest profit. It loks like it bit them in the end though

[@BaofuTheCanonicalPersonaHater]

seriously! i'm glad i played FES as my first P3 experience, the cutscenes were a factor in why i liked it. they're sorta stylised in a way that looks appealingly different to today's anime and made the important moments hit

[@MegaOverclocked]

I still wanna give Atlus the benefit of the doubt that they're making a Persona 3 remake so it wouldn't make sense to put alot of effort in enhancing a port when the definitive edition is slated down the line.

[@ZX-Gear]

I prefer Fes over P3P. But yeah. I wished Atlus brought the best of both worlds.

[@TheNorilla]

The reason Raidou got removed was due to his outfit looking similar to a Japanese Imperialist, and could be considered offensive over there; he was also not in the Korean (and Chinese) versions of Nocturne. Don't know why it can't be added back in, but the files for the Raidou outfit and music are still in the game's files, so it'll probably be easy to mod back in.

[@Tony4You]

Oh interesting. Sad they didn't add it for the international though yeah

[@ZSleepingDragonZ]

Atlus has no problem putting in the Raidou DLC costumes in Soul Hackers 2. Why not keep it in P5R for other regions except China/Korea?

[@XWingToast]

My guess is because Sega R&D ported it instead of Atlus

[@nicksjacku9750]

Doesn't matter if you can mod it in, it should have not been censored in the first place just because of another country. I should not go out of my way to mod a skin when it shouldn't have been taken out due to bullshit.

[@ultimis4727]

@@ZSleepingDragonZ If I had to guess its because the dlc is on disc for the P5R port. Its one thing to release a raidou dlc for soul hackers two, and just not release it in certain regions. Its another thing two release two separate versions of Royal. One without Raidou for Korea and one with him for the rest of the world. Its the same reason why games like the WW2 CoDs don't have swastikas anymore. Instead of making a separate version of the game without them for places like Germany. Activision saves time and money by not including that content at all.

[@Lbstee123]

It's crazy that a ps2 game, sounds, looks and encapsulates the totality of a persona/smt game better than a 2023 port with litterally thousands of times more powerful hardware.

[@Lbstee123]

I know you got a code but you can return it to steam still. It would prove a point to ATLUS that even a free copy wasn't worth your time and didn't meet expectations as a fan or as a consumer.

[@vullord666]

This is why you don’t port 1:1 a version of the game built for a weaker system than the PS2 to hardware that’s two decades newer than the ps2.

[@nesoukkefka1741]

It's even more crazy that fans have modded said PS2 games to give it 4k textures, 60FPS and quality of life improvment (being able to control party member directly for instance) for free, and THIS is what Atlus can do.

[@KociolxD]

Probably because P3 Portable is NOT PS2 PORT. It was separate version for PSP, drastically changed. Since PSP is more modern platform it was probably easier to port it from that. That's all. Ofc im not defending them, but im right. I played both PS2 Persona 3 FES and Persona 3 Portable and latter was always inferior in terms of framerate, gameplay, music quality etc. PSP was more PS1 than PS2, and people seems to forget it.

[@TheBlackSeraph]

@@KociolxD I suspect it would have been harder to port data from P3P than either P3 or P3FES, unless the source code was lost. Remember that UMD uses custom encoding hardware whereas the PS2 uses conventional DVD format. You'd also have the same engine from SMT3HD. If anything, the use of P3P was probably a way of avoiding paying Lotus Juice to record another OST.

[@zudahkai94]

When your better off modding persona 3(fes or portable) than the actual pc port. Come on Atlas.

[@MacVanish]

I imagine the top P3P remaster mods are going to be audio & visual mods. Nocturne HD has a similiar audio mod that fixes the compressed music

[@doublechindoge7]

^ Very True Just thought I'd add my 2 cents for anyone out there who wasn't sure about going through the trouble of emulating it, I highly reccomend you do. I was on the fence about it, and nearly gave up on it when inevitably setting it up became a headache and I got stuck - but eventually I figured it out and good God is it the definitive way to Play Persona 3 now. With Community Mods, you get to play P3FES in 2K quality, in widescreen without needing to stretch the screen, with Ability icons added, community balance patches, Added Dialogue Portraits from Portable, a couple translation fixes, Party Control, and better Camera Controls - not to mention just the fact playing on an emulator gives Save States and the option to speed the game up at tedious moments. I cannot reccomend enough you go through the trouble to set up the emulated version rather than getting this disappointing P3P port.

[@Tony4You]

Yeah it's genuinely insane when you think about it being a "remaster"

[@Nocturne989]

My only thing to say going into that is be aware that Knockdowns in FES with party control breaks game balance completly, allowing you to stunlock any enemy with a weakness infinitely. If we're gonna talk about InO killing balance if you use it, we should acknowledge that playing P3 this way is definitely not a balanced experience either.

[@Zeloidz]

120 fps goes crazy tho

[@helloblocks.4310]

It's like they fucked something up so bad they gave up and left it like that hoping the community will fix all themselves.

[@Tony4You]

It does give off "Screw it, it's good enough" vibes lol

[@advmx3]

Ok, as a Developer, lemme say you this: Losing an Engine doesn't mean you lose the assets. Havnig a bad code doesn't mean you can hire competent people to re-write it in a modern way. Kingdom Hears 1 didn't had the source code anymore for the SAME REASON as P3Fes, the engine doesn't exist anymore. Still they had the assets, they got it, re-modeled it and re-made the entire game from scratch. To me, the 3k people playing P3P only wants to play as FemC since she is happier than MC. And I know Atlus thought that would be easier than remaking P3Fes to the standards of P4 Golden, which was the bare minimum this game deserved seeing it's the sole foundation that made P4 so good to begin with. So yeah, they could if they wanted, and I hate when gamers try to defend this absurd situation just because a few of them got what they wanted: FemC in HD. To me, that's the sole reason anyone would like P3P, even with the battles enhancements, with a mod you can essentially negate the flaws of P3Fes. That's it, really. Even some of the things they did, such as making fusion abilities Items in the game. That's just dumb to me in Portable. Either way, I think if Atlus wanted, they could LITERALLY ported and enhanced FES, AND added a Third Campaign with FemC with the P3P style since they celarly don't want to remake the models for her social links. Either way, yeah, I'm annoyed at it, and frankly, to anyone thinking a P3 Remake will happen, to me that's Coping. I'm a fan, a BIG fan of P3, to me, it's the best out of the three games. BUT, I'm not delusional. Atlus won't make a Remake, Unless P3P Sells outstandingly well, which I doubt. Again, a LOT of people will be turned off with the Visual Novel style that doesn't fit with the dialogs, and won't get the game. After what Capcom did with Resident Evil 3 Remake, I won't expect the best of any game OR remake. Especially from ATLUS. As a Side Note: FANS, THAT WERE MAKING THE HD VERSION OF P3P AND P3FES, Will add their REMADE TEXTURES to the P3P on Steam. Still, as good as that sounds: I always find this a RED FLAG. If we need to fix it, why they would ever port a game with the best they could do?

[@advmx3]

I just noticed: I said it doesn't mean you can't hire competent people to fix the code. Sorry for the typo.

[@zeroskaterz92]

Square Enix also don't have the source codes for FFVIII and they still managed to made FFVIII remastered. Atlus really has no excuse for this. Some people would blame it on Sega but RGG Studio did it just fine with their games re-releases since they're also under Sega just like Atlus.

[@Toksyuryel]

@@advmx3 You can edit comments on youtube

[@moister3727]

People will likelly exploded anyway if it was FES since you know, femc.

[@shinyanakagawa8241]

exactly this. Thank you for clarifying.

[@braydenleaderofthetirkins1143]

They took out that costume from P5 because of the hatred between Japan & South Korea. If you don’t know, Japan was HORRIBLE during WWII towards other Asian countries. From the Rape of Nanjing in China (Where they literally had target practice with infants & stabbed pregnant women) to constant oppression over the Koran people, even forcing them to eat other people & covering it as whale meat. This is also why an episode of Pokémon was banned in Korea that featured a samurai warrior since, again, trauma & disdain for Japan & its culture. It was so bad, in fact, that China has a Nazi memorialized for saving the Chinese people from as many Japanese soldiers as they could. That’s when you know they f**ked up.

[@Tony4You]

Ah makes sense actually

[@DominatorElite4]

Also Japan did terrible experiments to Korean people which was an inspiration for a cod zombies map

[@vwoeng7477]

That Nazi was John Rabe. He was the Oskar Schindler of China. He was a businessman and allegedly believed in Nazism 100%. The man was given a chance to flee when Japanese army was closing in but he stayed anyways because he knew the atrocity of Japanese Imperial armies were just That Bad and his employees and the Chinese people he knew for 30 years would die if he left. He started sheltering Chinese citizens and attempted to save Chinese soldiers by using his identity as a Nazi party leader but there were times when the Japanese soldiers broke in to rape the women when he was elsewhere. The Chinese soldiers he sheltered were forcefully dragged out and he was lied to that they would be spared. In the end of the war, he fell into poverty due to his status as a Nazi but Nanjing people heard of his plight and donated money and food as thanks for what he did in the war.

[@motxmod]

Same thing with Nocturne HD

[@bringapow_toys2285]

@@motxmod what happened in nocturne

[@theotherccount4481]

Honestly we gotta thank these companies for starting the next great pirate age

[@ShapeshiftingPotato]

We're all Captin Kidd now

[@sadie9728]

Aye matey

[@phillemon7664]

"Wahaha.. Wahahahaha! My ports/remasters? If you want it, you can have it! Find it! I left every Atlus port/remaster there!" - Atlus

[@arcueid3352]

Not with them Denuvo though, EMPRESS is clearly struggling with MH Rise Denuvo, piracy in general is not looking to good cause Denuvo is going to get more and more harder to crack, and more and more cheaper to implement, even handheld games for the Switch will get Denuvo in the future

[@svolozhanin7627]

PERSONA 3 IS REAL!

[@MisterBallZach]

Atlus has posted addressing the audio issues but didn't give a timeline for when the update would come. Kinda gives reason to wonder why they didn't just release golden on consoles then p3p at a later date Edit: update comes from a leaker who supposedly worked on the ports, so rumor at best.

[@Tony4You]

Yeah as far as I can tell, there's nothing coming soon. Such a shame

[@godonomas]

Damn. Atlus do be slowly giving p3 the p1 & p2 treatment.

[@Tony4You]

I wouldn't be surprised at this point if they dropped it from the golden child list lol

[@renren47618]

When P6 come out i think that P3 will cease to be part of their favorite kids and will become "the one they reference only in events/spin offs"

[@TheBlackSeraph]

@@renren47618 In all fairness, P3 was almost like that already. And when P6 happens, P4 will be on that list too. Notice how P5 is already returning the series to demon summoning, and with implied Lovecraftian roots?

[@CrusadiaIX]

@@Tony4You I am from the future and I come bearing strange news

[@chiefff18]

@@CrusadiaIX bear-ing strange news?

[@thecoolnerdcolress1738]

Alright so, The Raidou Kuzunoha DLC stuff got erased from the Korean version thanks to Raidou's costume looking too similar to Imperial Japanese uniforms, and in history Japan wasn't too kind to Korea in the past, so they removed it (including Raidou's items). As of why it isnt simply in the other versions or as free DLC outside of Korea? I have no clue.

[@juanantonio5410]

Pretty sure Koreans are smart enough to not care anyway. This political correction isn’t getting us anywhere.

[@thecoolnerdcolress1738]

@@juanantonio5410 alright tbf if America got Bodied by like Canada and we had to see those stupid ass Ranger uniforms for years opressings us and then 50 years later a videogame character wore that shit people would feel a bit odd about it

[@juanantonio5410]

@@thecoolnerdcolress1738 That’s a lot of ifs though. Is Japan supposed to rewrite its history to hypothetically not hurt Koreans and Chinese? Lots of media portray American occupation of Japan (which ended only 50 years ago) without Japanese complaining. Also lots of media about the third Reich (although almost always in the bad role, I grant you that aha) and Jews, Gypsies and Poles are not boycotting it!

[@WisteriaNerium]

@@juanantonio5410 If you think Asian politics are that simple and that the issue boils down to "correctness" then you really have no idea of their History and Culture. And you probably shouldn't make judgements.

[@juanantonio5410]

Also I’d rather have the imperial Japan references censored worldwide as it is right now than like the Korean version censored and not the others, that would be very hypocritical and unfair I feel.

[@oomi9030]

At least when Atlus fails us, the Modders will come to shine

[@Tony4You]

Small comfort since they shouldn't have to. They are the heroes we need

[@peronafanman]

Yeah but what about those playing on console? They're forced to wait until Atlus eventually patches these ports.

[@TheRamblemanWhoSings]

@@peronafanman hope they patch the ports, won't fully fix all the problems, but it should fix the audio at least

[@DarkenRaul1]

I’m reminded of the problems of the SMT 3 PC port, it’s backlash, and subsequent patches. This isn’t a new thing for Atlus, and I think (hope) they’ve gotten the idea by now that PC ports are good (cuz they get more money from an untapped audience) but being too lazy about it is bad (backlash and bad publicity which they seem to not like). As for all the benefits / improvements people are talking about, I never expected those in the first place. Atlus has been toying with remaking Persona 3 and 4 for a long time now (as shown in consumer polls) so I’m sure we’ll see those in the coming years and all this controversy will be forgotten in the long run (not saying that’s good, just what I predict will happen)

[@thegamerfe8751]

If you've never expected any improvements from this remaster then why would you buy it in the first place if you already own the original version ? At that point emulate it especially since PSP emulation is very light on requirements. Not saying that's your case, just a hypothetical scenario.

[@vanilla8956]

Ryugi's shoes originally had the Imperial rising sun flag on them, which also had to be censored in Korea. This is also why Raidou had to be downloaded for free on Steam, as you're not allowed to have Raidou in Korea and China due to his outfit, a Taisho era school uniform, historically being styled after imperial military clothes. It's just like how In the JoJo games, the European version had the character Stroheim shirtless instead of wearing his SS uniform due to the game being set for release in Germany

[@Tony4You]

Oh wow there is a lot of history with these changes. Still a shame we didn't see it over here in America/Europe

[@vanilla8956]

@@Tony4You It's because of Steam. Steam doesn't let you have the same game listing provide users in different countries with different products. At least not with the option to adjust your steam localization settings to allow you to play other localizations removed. However Steam does allow you to delist games from being visible and purchasable in certain territories, and that includes DLC. That's why Raidou was free DLC, so that Korean and Chinese players would not even have the option of downloading that DLC, and would instead have to play non-maniax Nocturne or shell out the money for Dante. I assume that this time with P5R that they decided that the Raidou costume was so minor and ignorable that they didn't bother making it a single free DLC. As the last time they did that with Nocturne, the reviews are filled with confused westerners saying "Why the hell is this hidden in free dlc?!"

[@Kieran5]

I really just want Persona 1 and 2 back, i love the modern games, mostly, but i really wish that Atlus can finally listen to some of us and rerelease the games with way more things added.

[@hikawagetsbitches]

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[@BrianOblivionB]

$$$ atleast we gots the emulator. Though p1 could really use some help... and not that psp shit. Psx.

[@TheBlackSeraph]

definitely. I just want a physical version of both persona 2s on the same system at the same time. Had to spend a lot to import P2IS (PSP) from the US into Australia, and had to spend a LOOOOOT to import P2EP (PSX), and still not sure if it's safe to use the swap disc trick on a legit disc.

[@quinnholloway5400]

Expand those games Make them ready for the new Era But nope They too lazy

[@TurboAlice]

Yeah those games are really the ones that need a remake not Persona 3. A complete Persona 2 duology would be nice for a start.

[@icaughtalopunny]

“Hoping for more is just being entitled” hey, I heard that saying a lot with another JRPG franchise starting with the letter P...

[@SavagePatch115]

While not Persona, Soul Hackers 2 was also released in a weird state espicially for last gen consoles and has had several patches to improve performance and fix certain mechanics like being able to sprint. I have a weird feeling they've gotten too complacent in the last few years and makes me wonder what future holds with Persona 6 and if that game will release with many criticisms

[@mechantechatonne]

I wonder how many years until they put out Persona 6 at all, frankly.

[@TheDaphinator]

Thank you so much for not dismissing the subpar nature of the P3 port. I got into Persona 3 last year because of the movies and I was elated when the port was announced, yet now I am so bummed by all of the feedback I have been hearing. I do not want new fans to look down on P3 because of this port being of lower quality than the 4 and 5 ones. If they do not like it at its best, that is fine. Yet for the rerelease to be worst than both of the older versions? That is so sad, especially as someone heavily impacted by Persona 3.

[@Tony4You]

P3 fans deserve better, I will always say this

[@TheOneTrueOtaku1]

Honestly, while I have some mixed feelings on P3P’s content, I also have a lot of love and nostalgia for it. It was the game that introduced me to the Persona and SMT series, and was a game that helped me personally during a rough patch in my life. So to see a game that means an awful lot to me get such a botch job of a port, that I was genuinely looking for to re-experiencing, it just hurts all the more. That people are coping saying “this is why we need a full remake” or “this is Atlus testing the water for a remake” is also just saddening.

[@thegamerfe8751]

How do you feel now ;)

[@FungusBug]

To provide some context to the Raidou DLC being slashed from the Korean version, from what I understand it’s due to bad blood between Korea and Imperial Japan (which the Raidou outfits are based on). It’s the same reason the Almighty and Rising Sun symbol on Ryuji’s shows were slashed as well. From what (admittedly little) I understand, Korea really hates anything to do with Imperial Japan because of past conflicts which the Japanese government has and continues to downplay or even outright deny the severity of. No clue why they couldn’t just make it free DLC in other regions though.

[@ironbaysqiureg4827]

I mean I get it but screw them. The rest of the world shouldn't suffer because one countries censorship.

[@batmabel]

lmao, Imperial Japan literally invaded, raped and pillage the entire country of Korea for years, tried to destroy the country's culture and even change people's names, saying it's "bad blood between Korea and Imperial Japan" and saying that "Korea hates anything to do with Imperial Japan" is some huge understatements that try to paint Korea as being wrong for not wanting to glorify people that literally tried to destroy their country. It's like if a German game came out and the heroes had skins for uniforms of the SS and you said "oh those were removed because Poland had some bad blood with the N-Germany"

[@SavagePatch115]

@@ironbaysqiureg4827 Nobody disagrees. It's just that Atlus was probably too lazy to actually port other versions forward and just decided to only port the Korean version of P5R

[@FungusBug]

@@ironbaysqiureg4827 I don’t disagree with that. I personally don’t understand why another version wasn’t ported for the rest of the world or why ATLUS can’t just release a patch for other regions that brings back the DLC content. I’m just stating my understanding of why the Korean version was censored to begin with.

[@kauanjos3199]

Ngl the new almighty icon is way better imo

[@PinClockFuntime]

Honestly glad so many Persona/SMT KZbinrs are speaking up about the botched P3P port (let alone having no alternatives for those that prefer FES). I'm hoping Atlus will take this to heart and fix P3P.

[@mannysmith5397]

And thus, I emulated the PSP version on PPSSPPP and didn't give Atlus a damn cent. What an absolute failure of a release.

[@tato-chip7612]

Atlus could have used interns to manually alter the images in all the places where it looks wrong. And honestly i am nearly certain they do have the original files and they could have just re rendered them. As for the audio, that too!

[@NasuPrime]

Atlus really wanted me to pay $60 for a game I bought for the ps5 not even a year prior so I could play with an extra 30 fps

[@Tony4You]

In the bad timeline of Sega rushing out ports disguised as remasters, things are weird for sure

[@limbobilbo8743]

The reason the raidou outfit isnt in the korean version is because the outfit is based on an imperial japanese outfit, which korea had a lot of bad blood with. They also removed the rising sun from ryuji’s shoes for a similar reason

[@princessnavi8815]

The reason the Raidou costume was removed in Korea is because it was based on imperial Japanese uniforms. The subject of Imperial Japan is very touchy in this part of the world, especially in Korea where there have been protests due to the Japanese government downplaying the atrocities during WW2. This is also why Raidou was removed in the Korean and Chinese versions of the SMT Nocturne remaster

[@DeadwingDork]

The idea of taking the artistic elements/game script of FES and Portable, and throwing them into the P5R engine, seems similar to the Nier Replicant situation. Assign some B team to it, I don't know. I'm no expert on game development, but it kind of feels like the two hardest parts are already done. Trials of Mana - a game widely considered to be a bit of a cheap, basic remake compared to the big budget of FF7R - still got a better remake with more care and attention than what Persona 3 got, and that was going from 16 bit sprite art to 3D. And that game, while it was great, was nowhere near as impactful as P3. What a shame.

[@Tony4You]

I never even thought of something like that, and in hindsight that would have been the most interesting thing to happen to persona in a long time. Sadly it looks like they were more interested in a slap dash port than gaining more interest in the series

[@MooeysAura]

Actually the removal of the noises shadows make when your a higher level than them is an upgrade imo I absolutely HATED that noise...

[@paulr.1962]

One good thing this P3P port did is finally localizing the game's text to multiple languages, like French, Spanish, and more. Even if they turn out to be fine at best, it's still more options to experience the game than the usual Atlus choice of "Japanese, English, or f*ck you". Also, on the gameplay side, I don't understand why manual skill inheritance isn't a thing in this port, considering Atlus were forced to add it to the Nocturne remaster after release, because people complained about it.

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

Pretty sure that the real reason why Atlus didn't wanna port p3 properly is that fes was made with renderware and that shit has a dead license + Having to animate all of femc's exclusive game cutscenes like unique sls, fmvs and the inaba trip was too much time and money spent on a port to sega. Golden was recreated on a new engine on psvita so porting that one had no issues, they couldn't release even an emulated fes and portable together because of the renderware license, other games like sonic heroes are also not on steam because of it.

[@HashBandicoot356]

Eternal Punishment re-release was apparently really good......And they didnt give it to us. Although now there is a fan translation.

[@bubbletea_]

i find it so wild that people seem to take issue with people expecting the modern port/remaster of persona 3 portable to be visually/audibly *better* than the original. i understand that for a lot of people, this will probably be the best they can get and i'm sure they'll still enjoy it regardless, but they deserve better.

[@Tony4You]

In today's day and age, "Remaster" just means "bare bones port" for most people, and a customer expecting a good product is entitlement. I hope the sales show Atlus the truth more than people on twitter

[@gnuwaves743]

best way they can *legally* get it.

[@ofilosofoouumfumante5655]

@@gnuwaves743 emulation isn't illegal though.

[@Benjamin-ml7sv]

​@@ofilosofoouumfumante5655 A lot of people won't be able to get the roms legaly and have to pirate.

[@ofilosofoouumfumante5655]

@@Benjamin-ml7sv if you can't buy it, just pirate it. The company isn't doing a good job at making their games available to modern consoles so why it is wrong? Also if you're pirating it means you wouldn't buy it anyway.

[@Nemesiis-jc7wm]

The main thing that bums me out is the fact that I don’t get to play the Answer with quality of life changes for Persona 3. Originally we weren’t able to give the SEES crew direct commands and it took away from the experience (and the grind fest that it was) . Not to mention a lot of people are in the dark about what happens to the MC when the game “ends” in P3P. These other issues only disappoints me even more.

[@Tony4You]

Even something as seemingly small as a fusion by result and manual skill inheritance would go such a long way

[@FB18Ben]

They justified putting P3P instead of FES on Steam because of Reload, right? But didn't they admit they didn't plan to include The Answer and only folded under the community's pressure? Imagine if they didn't push out that $35 DLC and we would have ended up with P3P and P3R and still no way to play the entire game. Completely crazy to me

[@DragonKingX78]

I still want HD remasters for DDS 1+2, Raidou 1+2, SMT 1, 2, if, Persona 1 and both 2s, etc. but hope they do a better job on future projects.

[@Tony4You]

We can dream

[@DragonKingX78]

@@Tony4You I am still just dreaming....come on Atlus don't you want our money?!!

[@Stargazing_night_sky]

Can we PLEASE also complain about the fact that there is no physical copy of 3p or 4g? Nobody is complaining about it and it needs to be something that is discussed as well

[@ltb1345]

I'm glad I started the Persona series with P4G on PC. That came out at a perfect time for me, during my Megaten binge of 2020. I've also really been enjoying P5R on Switch. It's a shame P3P is the odd one out, especially since I previously had a poor experience playing that game on an emulator, and was looking forward to being able to play it in an official, streamlined manner.

[@saffronoak6276]

I'm new to persona and I find this very disrespectful in a way. It's like they didn't care much about the people who loved this series to a passion. I hope that they try and fix these issues with an update but I find it hard to believe they will. Maybe if this gets enough attention they may do something, but I still have doubts.

[@Tony4You]

Here's hoping it does, there are plenty of videos talking about it

[@tabris95]

When SMT III Nocturne HD released in Japan, it was full of bugs, long load times, bad audio compression and complete lack of QoL features like manual skill inheritance. It was actually patched before the English release fixing most of these issues. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for P3P

[@GaeaRage0798]

5:43 "Look how they massacred my boy..."

[@Tony4You]

😭😭😭

[@queen_alexandra996]

Honestly, as somone for whom the remake of P3P is my first time playing it, I didn't find any of the issues to be noticeable enough to impact my enjoyment of the game. I found the more stripped back, visual novel style, presentation to actually be an improvement over the free roaming of 4&5 and I can confidently say that it's my favourite in the series, flaws and all

[@Beastman2021]

I'm on the same boat in a way. Despite P3 FES was my intro to persona and still own the copy, playing P3P on ps5 is pretty much good for me. I'm enjoying the game a lot as I slowly play through it. I do plan on playing on these new versions of the persona games. Never player P4G all the way ( Chie's new voice still doesn't stand well for me) and actually try out P5R

[@Site17]

This opinion isn't allowed. These loud clowns have deemed it so.

[@projectmessiah]

5:15 To be fair the difficulty customisation was already in p4g on the vita

[@PunkThrashMetal]

The issue here too is that if people are unhappy about the port, they will probably do a little googling and learn about the various mods (shoutout p3 new moon) that already exist for the game. We have a controllable party member mod for fes, the PSP is one of the easiest consoles to mod you can run p3p on virtually any android device made in the last 5 years.

[@justanotherpxrson]

Its so sad that this even got released in this state. I refunded it for now. If they fix it, I will give it another shot. I really did like the unlocked fps, it was cool for this game. But this is just not okay by any stretch of the imagination.

[@GaeaRage0798]

If you ask me, ATLUS dropped the ball with P3 at the very moment they decided to port P3P instead of P3FES. It's not because I hate Portable or something like that, quite the contrary, I find both Portable and FES as alternative experiences with their own pros and cons, but rather because Portable wasn't design to be played on non-potable hardware, and there was very little room for improvement, both in graphics and gameplay, contrary to FES, which had more potential for improvement in every possible aspect. Looks like I'm sticking to emulators for a long while.

[@thatonebroski]

they didn't even make a complete version

[@sammysalgado1475]

They couldn't port/update Persona 3 fes because EA bought the engine that the game ran on Renderware Not a super known fact

[@GinraiPrime666]

@@sammysalgado1475 As far as I'm aware its the same engine that powers Persona 4 so that seems abit odd.

[@1kanyestan394]

Persona 3 portable isn't a bad game imo

[@asafesseidonsapphire]

@@GinraiPrime666 golden was made in another engine, that's why some effects look wrong when comparing the two.

[@chinkram]

Is very sad when companies aren't willing to put the minimun effort just because they know they will sell well anyways..

[@Melancholy_Mudkip]

As someone who is basically still a newbie too the series, (P5 under my belt), but with knowledge to the other series, it's actually really mind blowing how deep this ATLUS "Port" rabbit hole goes

[@JeffreyThrash]

Kind of glad I got to play Persona 3 FES when I had the chance (on the PS3). That game introduced me to Atlus’s games right when I was losing faith in Square Enix, and while it would still be interesting at some point to play P3P for the female protagonist, I can’t say I would be the Atlus fan I am today if I played Portable instead of FES as my first Persona game.

[@Raven_Redacted]

The audio and video I can overlook, but the fact you can't rearrange skills is down right embarrassing since you can on the ps2 using a cheating device

[@Tony4You]

Yeah the lack of quality of life really is the straw that broke a lot of backs

[@Christian-gr3gu]

I can’t believe they ruined the only modern game that has a female protagonist, how fun

[@Tony4You]

Atlus sabotaging prospective female Persona fans smh

[@mechantechatonne]

@@Tony4You Soul Hackers 2 is a low budget shit show as well, and between that and the refusal to put the FemC in any of the spinoff games it gives me "we're not willing to invest money in a game with a female protagonist" vibes.

[@JustinPinedaMedia]

Sounds to me ATLUS could not uncompress the sound or update the audio files so that it's the original uncompressed tracks for P3P.

[@lazer_31]

As a newbie to P3, I'm enjoying the remaster. I know many wanted a port of Fes, but I'm honestly fine with portable. I don't mind the visual novel style even though many hate it. I personally think it does a fine job presenting the story. But I do agree that some elements don't work as well in the visual novel style. For the record I'm watching the Fes cutscenes as I'm playing the game for a comparison. To give an example, the opening of the game where we first see the protagonist and Yukari. Seeing the protag's lack of reaction to the dark hour, and Yukari's panic, and hesitation to pull the trigger sets the mood better than the visual novel style. I think they should've add the animated cutscenes into the remaster, and I do agree that it should've had other quality of life changes like the skill selection. Despite that I won't let it hinder my enjoyment of the game. Also in regards to why Portable got ported instead of Fes, apparently Portable sold more copies.

[@kauanjos3199]

Yeah same my only real problem is the compressed audio, we have collection like mega man ZX that completely uncompressed the audio from the originals(both games were on the DS) and p3 portable doesn't have that yet

[@1kanyestan394]

@@kauanjos3199 I didn't even notice the audio at first, I like the nostalgic feeling it gives

[@kosmosfan01]

I've played through FES mutiple times on both my PS2/PS3 so I was honestly looking forward to checking out the differences with the FemMC route. I'm probably not noticing anything serious like the audio stuff because I normally don't pay super close attention if anything was wrong unless it was really blantant. The visual novel style does help make moving around a lot faster, especially when exploring the city. I'm still getting accustomed to the game acknowledging my gender at many points since it's still takes some getting used to that the entire playthrough is designed around it including social links being completely different depending on who you choose. If it was just a 1:1 port of FES with minor QoL changes, I likely would have skipped it myself. They'd pretty much have to do a remake for there to be a true definitive edition at this point and sometimes, things like these ports are to judge interest from the fanbase for future projects. I would like to be able to play through the older ones, especially since I only played through Eternal Punishment on the PS3 which is only half the story with Innocent Sin on PSP I believe.

[@Nikkerman]

As soon as I saw there was no opening cutscene and no actual hubs I just fired up the emulator

[@Fomortiis100]

Square Enix lost the source code for Kingdom Hearts and they were still able to make the HD port of KH Final Mix by reverse-engineering copies of the game, and that's the definitive version of the game with no cut corners. It's also an action RPG with fairly complex interactions and physics that had to be maintained. Persona 3 is just a turn-based RPG, which I imagine should be much easier to reverse engineer.

[@galactic1555]

Since Nocturne HD has the same audio issue I'm assuming they just straight up did not keep the original recordings/mixes of the older games and are just reusing the compressed versions for PS2/PSP since they didn't want to re-record anything apparently. We just have to hope that if they ever port DDS or Raidou to steam we won't keep having this issue.

[@GinraiPrime666]

Its likely because the time they give for these remasters to happen is so short that to completely redo the audio to be higher quality is gonna take longer than the time these developers are given. Plus with teams focusing on other things and these remasters likely being handed to other smaller teams, even perhaps some outside developers, these kinds of remasters would need more time and effort than Atlus and Sega are currently willing to give.

[@Comrade_Hee-Ho]

This only makes me think that if they ever port the classic Persona games they will not restore anything of the original PSX version of Persona 1, P2IS PSP will have its worse battle system and the reduced difficulty. Fortunately P2EP PSP is a good re-release somehow, but I'm sure they will do something to still mess it up

[@ils4844]

no shirt shitlock, still arguably preferable over full on remakes at least though

[@GRiznitDShiznit]

Hopefully the modding community can save the day per usual.

[@cotmproductions8550]

To be honest, I bought Persona 5 Royal on PS4, Persona 4 Golden on PC, and Persona 3 Portable on Switch. For Persona 3, I actually enjoyed FES the most, but at the same time, I also liked Portable too. Then again... it should've been a total remade game. If we ever do get a Persona 3 remake, let's hope it's the FULL version. Both protagonist routes AND The Answer, AND updated graphics like P5. ... Maybe. Dunno.

[@pizzapicante27]

Hey did you guys hear that the recently announced Persona 3 Reload WONT contain the extra content from FES nor will it contain the extra content from Portable?, nice one Atlus, nice one.

[@petergriscom3431]

In hindsight, them announcing that Reload would have no FES content, then announcing "Reload's top sales and outpouring of support from fans made us reconsider and make the Answer DLC" was just damage control for the fact that the Answer was planned to be paid DLC from the start of development.

[@PedroIgori]

It baffles me to see those idiot fanboys defending a company delivering a shitty product and overcharging for it, then saying we should be grateful to the company for giving us subpar products

[@advmx3]

Oh and P4G is also having a LOT of problems, I never had before. For example, the battle sometimes start and you spend HALF A MINUTE waiting for it to start, or a song glitches and it feels like you're about to experience a crash. That never happened, but this update they did to the game fucked it good. Just because of a freaking Quick Save feature.

[@Tony4You]

Wow really? I don't know much about the console port since I played it a long time ago on Steam so this is worrying

[@caribbeanstrawhat]

What system are you playing on and how far did you get in the game? I’m a little past Yukiko’s palace and I play on PS4, but haven’t had problems yet

[@advmx3]

@@caribbeanstrawhat I'm using the game on steam. I have a GTX 1060 with 6gb of video a Ryzen 51600 and 16gb of ram. I had to run yukiko palace twice because I forgot to save. On the first time no errors at all. On the second though I had the issues I mentioned. The game also takes way more time to run now than it took before. Some people are complaining about random crashes more often too. Again before this patch I played the entire game and made the true ending. Now I'm restarting it and it's horrible. Also the game constantly stop showing me the ds4 buttons and defaults to the Xbox buttons for no reason either.

[@kartikayysola]

@@advmx3 P4G crashed CONSTANTLY for me on PC (pre-patch). Haven't tried it since the patch dropped yet.

[@styxpieces]

yeah I also had alot of crashing issues playing the game around release

[@gnuwaves743]

I still have the psp disc and case, but haven't owned a psp for over a decade. It was always bullsht how you couldn't control the party members. And the dungeon grind really tested my patience. But I really liked the character designs and the themes the game tackled. I hope one day fem protagonist (hell all female jrpg protagonists) will get the respect she deserves.

[@nr2676]

Not only ATLUS, but also SEGA too (Sonic Origins is best example).

[@Tony4You]

Yeah this is something worth worrying about with the companies

[@morkgin2459]

Well Yakuza games exist in defence

[@nr2676]

@@morkgin2459 This is best cash cow for SEGA aside of Sonic Hedgehog (and number one in Japan), and RGG Studio optimization and ports are usally very good (this not suprise because they only made in last 15 years mainly Yakuza games, aside of Sakura Wars PS4 and Super Monkey Ball, so they have big experience with own engine).

[@nr2676]

@@morkgin2459 Valkyria Chronicles 4 - PC version is buggy mess (infinite scrolling bug) Super Monkey Ball Banana Mania - new physic engine is much worse than original on Sega Dreamcast / Gamecube Sonic Origins - buggy mess and FPS drops Sonic Frontiers - Switch version looks like shit, huge pop in SMT III Nocturne HD Remaster - compressed soundtrack, FPS drops on Switch P3P - similar problems like SMT III Nocturne HD, compressed soundtrack + upscaled UI + random skill inherit

[@tespenkr9924]

P4Gs PC port is a great remaster that got me into megaten. P5R might have gotten me into it if I waited for a deep sale on Steam (like what I'm doing now). P3P over FES? I might have not given SMT a chance.

[@hommefataltaemin]

Yeah I’m playing through Persona 3 for the first time right now and I’m really enjoying it a lot, but it sucks that I have to look up the cutscenes online, that I can’t travel around as I do in all the other games. Also it sucks that I won’t be able to play “The Answer” and will have to watch it online or something else.

[@meowww7308]

Kudos to having a review that I’ve seen which has the least FES bias possible. There’s definite flaws with the port, but those should be contained to the port itself and not bitterness over FES. I appreciate you being able to do that.

[@littlered6340]

Yup, P3FES is still my favorite person game. The second I realised they were just porting P3P and not a mix of FES and P3P, I realised they did not want my money. I would have paid full price for P3 Definitive or whatever they would have called it, but nope. My favorite SMT game in general is Nocturne, so like.. Atlus is coming for me personally. 😩 What did I do, except be loyal for decades, smh.

[@robbegeusens1302]

3 still has no objectively best way to play the game, wich is sad because atlus had the perfect opportunity to do so when rerealising the games, but that would take time and effort.

[@raphaelcalado4335]

Atlus is terrible, P3 should get more respect as do the fans of this game.

[@thevulcan2949]

Everyone else: *Talking about mods to fix things* Me on PS5: "...damn you, Atlus"

[@TheKingRiku]

I have played p4g and p5r. I was waiting for a full p3fes and p3p love child remaster to play it. After this release decided to just emulate p3fes with mods. Best decision ever.

[@slowpokerodriguez8342]

The reason they take the devil summoner costume out is because the Koreans are still butthurt about imperial Japan. Even though Korea did the exact same thing over multiple centuries and basically racially replaced the original Ainu people that lived in Japan.

[@opalpal1673]

Completely agree, great video! This shows Atlus's poor business practices. It's becoming hard to trust Atlus to handle their past titles in a sensible way. It's to the point that I don't even want them to remaster or even remake 1and 2 if they continue like this. I love P3 Fes and I might as well emulate portable or play FES on my ps3.

[@johnsrj]

I didn't notice the audio being compressed because I play through the tv speakers so yeah. But I swear I didn't hear the MC say persona the first time I watched the scene nor the I am thou

[@AsherTheModder]

Even if they we lived in an alternate world where DLC sold seperate for P5R it STILL woulda been full price except less content dont kid yourself 😂😂

[@tomsky4751]

i’ve experienced some minor crashes and some small studdering in P5R’s the studdering is annoying but it’s only in scene transitions to places with a lot of npcs, and the crashes only happened when playing on pc which is why I primarily play it on my steam deck. Again not great but it’s still the same p5r experience but just a little less optimized thanks to the drm. Though i’ve no intention of playing persona 3’s port just cause I’m not really interested in it, but knowing the port has such poor audio and less options then p4 Golden definitely makes me not interested in getting it at all.

[@nesoukkefka1741]

Yep it's the exact same deal as SMT Nocturne a terrible port of an otherwise good game, what a shame. About Raidou Kuzonoha costume being remove from P5 Korean version, well the same happen with SMT Nocturne Remaster, all version has Raidou as the default guest character and Dante as a DLC to replace him if you want, but for the Korean version Dante is the default character, from what I remember the reason is that Raidou's outfit is the Military Uniform of the Japanese Imperial army, which committed atrocities in Korea and China back during the Second World War era.

[@funnynamelol3156]

It’s unfortunate because I just finished Persona 4 Golden on PS4 and loved it. But man, hearing all about this about P3P is very unfortunate. Guess I’ll just wait for a better port.

[@Tony4You]

Shame, but it's for the best. Hopefully you can experience this game in a good way

[@millasgameroom]

all of this. i've never played P3 on any console, but unless a full remake that combines FES / P3P's content comes out i'll be playing FES with mods.

[@krimsonkatt]

Some notes I would like to make. 1: I have no idea why Atlus ported the Korean version of P5R over any other. As for why certain things were removed/censored, Korea and China have HEAVY beef with Japan due to the war crimes Japan committed against their countries people during WW2 that they STILL haven't apologized for. Due to this, all depictions of anything resembling imperial Japanese memorabilia is censored in Korea and China. I'm pretty sure it's even against the law to show those symbols in media or in public in those countries like it's illegal to show not see symbols in most European countries. (but especially Germany) One of the things that is commonly censored was the "rising sun" flag which existed on Ryuji's shoes in an earlier version. Another common thing that was censored is imperial Japan outfits which Raido Kuzanoha wears. Therefore, the entire Raido DLC was completely removed from the game. There is actually a long list of errors/small issues in the new ports of P5R which includes: -Raido DLC completely removed from the game including in the code, so you can't even get it by hacking. -Ryuji's shoes have been censored both in-game and in FMVs to remove the rising sun symbol -Joker & Aketchi's showtime has a misprint on one of a signs in the background. This was corrected in the western localization, but not in other versions. -There is a full screen fade in during all-out attacks as well as in the opening FMV, supposedly to prevent epilepsy. However, this effect cannot be turned off even in settings. None of these are game breaking but they're certainly notable. There is a modpack though to restore the changes/censorship. 2: Honestly yes the Persona 3 Portable port is bad, but it's not as bad as people say. I actually like the sound effects being all crunchy because it adds impact to everything. Otherwise it would just be the P4G sound effects and those get boring after hearing them for 200 hours straight over two full playthroughs. I didn't notice any of the poor AI upscaling unless people specificly point it out, and even then it's hard for me to tell. And the voice acting isn't bad or compressed, the only thing that sounds bad is the rooftop scene where Yukari's voice (which is considered a sound effect in the files) is glitched. Yes FES is better but honestly I don't think we have to worry as it's very clear that Atlus's next big project is a Persona 3 remake done in P5's engine. Atlus rushed the port for P3P because they wanted to use FemC for marketing which the P3 Remake wouldn't have and so that they could have all 3 modern Personas out at the same time. P3R will probably release in January 2024 and be announced this June during E3 along with DDS HD.

[@LordHonkInc]

I'm terribly disappointed by the state of the P3P "remaster," and just like with Soul Hackers 2 it feels like there's a painful amount of variance in the quality of Atlus releases in general. I mean, between SMT5, Nocturne and SH2 you have basically the same gradient of quality (though subjective, it seems the consensus is "SMT5=pretty good, Nocturne=underwhelming, SH2=disappointing") and I just hope that's not a sign of things to come but just a very inconvenient coincidence. Here's hoping they revise a lot of the issues with a patch or two. Not that that excuses any of the behavior, but it's the least the people paying for the game deserve.

[@neku2741]

I recently started P3 FES after playing p3P on steam. It's a straight up upgrade from P3P in every way. I was shocked by the amount of cutscenes and being able to look at the polygons interact while they talks add so much more depth to the scene. I found out that the community has been remastered it themselves through mods and patches. There's a patch that allow you to control your party which eliminate the main criticisms people had about the game. Atlus fcked up for porting the P3P.

[@lahuk1194]

Remember P3P came after the original P3 on PS2. The PSP disc couldn't hold all the cutscenes, so they switched to the VN style.

[@lain328]

Yeah I was looking forward to the PC port of Persona 3 I was hoping they would combine the PSP and PS2 versions together to make the definitive version but nope. Fan made mods of the PS2 versions seem to be the best way to go now.

[@sampas07]

I played p3p on my vita, so when I played it on my ps5 I was like “is my ps5 broken?” Sadly unless we get a p3 remake, I don’t think we’ll get a definitive p3 anytime soon which is sad

[@chancefreely]

I’m a pretty new SMT fan, only really getting into the series with the release of P4G on Steam. Since then I’ve played SMT V and Nocturne as well as P5R. I emulated P3P a while ago and got decently far. It definitely shows it’s age in places, especially with the social links I think, but it’s still a very solid entry. I can only imagine what a longtime fan of the series felt seeing the quality of the port. I do agree that fans should hold companies accountable for shipping clearly botched products, especially with their buying power. Hopefully they at least fix the audio. It was horrendous.

[@skullcruncher7218]

Personally it feel like for every good port there’s a lackluster one. Brought P4 Golden and P5 Royal for the switch because you know why not? And they ran great in my experience. But then at the same time have the mess that is P3 and SMT 3.

[@Tony4You]

Very true, this really is a worrying trend

[@skullcruncher7218]

@@Tony4You I agree. Kinda off topic, but another trend that worry me. At least with Persona, is a person better off buying or waiting with P6 Since recent history shows you can count on a better version to drop two or three years later making fans double dip.

[@rafaelluciano5596]

P3 is my favorite megaten game, with SMT4 being a close second. I played it originally on the PSP when I first moved out and started college and it resonated with me deeply. I've later gone on to play The Answer from the PSN build on the PS3 and replayed FES there as well. While I don't disagree with any of the issues presented here, I think its being far overblown. I am one of the silent minority that heavily prefers Portable to FES. I think the visual novel presentation does a lot to speed up the pace and make it feel more timeless than the PS2 models on the overworld. Playing this on the switch is like magic and is farrr smoother than what PSPP or PCSX2 can offer. Despite the AI upscale issues, this is also a far more stable release than playing the PSN emulation. I am eager to see what the modding community can whip up on PC as well. The missing anime cutscenes does hurt the beginning and ending of the game a good bit, though they are a quick youtube search away. For $20, you will experience the most accessible version of one of the greatest stories ever told in a video game. Even less on game pass potentially. Given that this launched across say 6+ SKUS alongside P4 and P5 across all major current gen platforms months apart from one another, I cant harbor any ill will towards Atlus or Sega. This port just takes a 10/10 game to a 9/10 on my eyes. For what amounts to two 60+ hour campaigns for twenty bucks, I would say this is still the best way to play P3 on an HD display. Regardless of the issues with the port, this is one of the greatest games ever made. Play it on any platform you can.

[@chstens]

I have a sneaking suspicion that patch won't be too little, too late. It'll be too nothing, too never.

[@Tony4You]

Yeah as sad as it is to say, I think you're right. Thank you gnome child

[@chstens]

@@Tony4You The answer is written in blood.

[@Slenderquil]

I can't wait for the 2026 PC port of smt5 with so much drm you can't even run it

[@dcb99filmz]

looks like we'll be getting it this year instesd

[@jerry3115]

It's important to remember that the golden port was a *little* (and for the most part I mean a little) scuffed when it came out and was since patched and is now basically perfect. The Royal port launched perfect, albeit a bit pricy, but was overall a huge relief considering some other atlus ports like nocturne "hd". It really gave me faith for the persona 3 port, but they dropped the ball harder than they ever have before, and frankly harder than i thought possible.

[@thegamerfe8751]

"The Royal port launched perfect" Since when ?

[@keie18]

Smt 3 too is not a very good port

[@jerry3115]

@@keie18 I'm well aware

[@jerry3115]

@@thegamerfe8751 it ran amazingly, it didn't add much but it's already a modern game so there wasn't much to add. Removing the raido dlc is weird but inconsequential.

[@thegamerfe8751]

@@jerry3115 Well no, many people are having performance issues with it especially cause of the Denuvo DRM.

[@nicobane]

the raidou outfit is offensive to a lot of people because it resembles the japanese imperial uniform, which some people relate with war crimes.

[@Nocturn3]

imagine a multimillion dollar studio using a free AI upscaler to help update their assets. That and the audio just make me sad but the copium makes me angry.

[@RainbowsClone]

I'd also recommend mods for making it good, there are already mods to add in the ps2 character models, fix some of the audio, and soon hopefully a mod to add the cutscenes back. I'm personally waiting for that mod to replay P3 since it'll be a long time if ever until a full 3D env mod is made

[@pokejwis]

Ight so I am a newbie when it comes to this. But when I played royal I felt that I should play the others ones (once I finish royal of course) I decided to do portable and saw it was getting a port to my console (Xbox one) so I waited and when it did come out I played it for about 15 minutes and uninstalled it and installed Golden instead and had much more fun then I did with portable in the beginning. So what did this me typing this accomplish. To tell you that yeah this video is definitely correct

[@shadow_hive]

The Persona 5 Royal PC Port is so badly coded that it only utilizes your E-core on your CPU, which means if you have a modern CPU like a Ryzen 7 5800x you cant get more than 15 fps because it literally doesnt use your other 11 cores

[@kaylakoala5054]

Persona 3 Portable is my favorite persona game. I say this coming from the perspective of someone who only played Portable and couldnt finish FES because I hated that I couldnt hang out with the guys in SEES. And while I would've liked more done on this rerelease - I'm so nostalgic that I dont mind this version. The audio is laughably bad no doubt and I wish there was more done with the graphics but it was about what i expected graphics wise. Personally I actually mentioned the little fear screams when a shadow is weaker than you is a good thing because that noise annoyed me. I'm excited to play this just on another platform regardless of upgrades just to not have to pull out my PSP anymore. I wish they had included or updated some of the Answer's cutscenes even as a movie for both male and female protag or something like Kingdom hearts did with some of its games.

[@merciless972]

Denuvo for p5r ruined the game for me. I play on Linux, and haven't had an issue. But the drm kept locking me out for 24 hours from playing the game. Refunded it and got the switch version instead

[@RockPaperShiv]

Really value the opinions, thank you. I'll still to lugging out my ps2 when it comes to P3

[@denzellzepeda4275]

Same thoughts here hopefully it gets fixed soon and replaying P5R on steam after finishing it on gamepass