How This Game Dev Sold 200,000 Copies of His Game

I chat with David Wehle, one of my favorite devs who sold over 200,000 copies of his game "The First Tree". Get his course Game Dev Unlocked for 30% off with promo code BRUSH970128: courses.gamede...
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[@thomasbrush]

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[@NihongoWakannai]

"if you were successful then you wouldn't be teaching" is an attitude that comes from a completely broken education system. "Those who cant do, teach" still permeates our culture because teaching is looked down upon as something less important, like the real work is being done by the rockstars while the little leagues go teach the new guys. Teaching is a legitimate and extremely important profession for our society. Literally everything that we have today, everything that separates us from cavemen, is because of humans passing down knowledge to eachother and finding new and more effective ways of doing so. No breakthrough would mean anything if it that information wasnt effectively disseminated, and we can see that throughout history with examples like how the beginnings of calculus was invented hundreds of years before we thought it was, but it was lost to history until after it was later reinvented. It is perfectly valid for someone who *is* successful to want to pass their knowledge on so that others can use it and learn from it. Finding ways to disseminate your knowledge and find ways to more effectively educate new generations is a very important and respectable skill.

[@beyondme9369]

So true..

[@borjanpeovski7615]

I look at it as more of a teacher who doesn't or hasn't practiced what he teaches isn't a good teacher. In my opinion, a piano teacher who can't play the piano would be a bad teacher in the same way as a person who teaches business but doesn't have a business of his own.

[@shadowthunder]

To be fair there are proffesional teachers who sell courses on Udemy and Skillshare, even KZbin for free, just don't depend on school teachers its the school system that's corrupt, actually pick your own courses from reputable individuals... but the Government (and often parents) doesn't want you to do this, or teach you to do this, hiring a succesfull indie dev to privately mentor can also be worth... when you consider college costs in comparison, It's just the political system being corrupt & behind the times by a whole lot you may not get "degrees" from a private online course, but you sure damn can get way more proffesional than any blind college slave from it, Wich is what matters at the end of the day. There's so many succesfull indie devs who dropped out of school cause they realised the same things, You just need discipline and motivation to actually try hard enough without making excuses, and of course a Vision, nothing else.

[@EYTPS]

And this, my fellow kids, is why teachers are THE most underpaid group of people in America

[@Joshtapus]

Woah guys we got a teacher 🙄

[@vincewa2142]

You know your life has hit rock bottom when your on reddit sending death threats to an indie game developer for making a game you don't like.

[@houseoftath3528]

Dad game developers. Man, I just discovered you guys on youtube, and I gotta say, as a father of four and hobbyist game developer (working with my oldest son on games), you guys discussing the family balance with your development is both helpful and heartwarming. It's very encouraging. Thank you.

[@internettrash00]

How fun is that for your son. Imagine get to make games with your father. I'm jealous in a good way.

[@musicrocks0138]

For real that actually sounds so fun

[@handmadegamesdev]

I'm in the exact same boat! How has it been going for you? My oldest has been doing games on his own, too, and I think it's great.

[@damankhaira7952]

U guys should get like 2 more people and start a podcast

[@damankhaira7952]

@Michael Knaap and put it on spotify, I'd love that

[@flooblybub]

That's not a bad idea.

[@alexisbarrette7652]

Tim Ruswick of Game Dev Underground would be a good addition to the team

[@cooperbibaud]

I'd love to be a part of that. These guys remind me of (hopefully) future me's.

[@zeroatlast]

eric barone

[@joshbishop]

David Wehle and Thomas Brush talking together about gamedev... Literally the best thing ever

[@prototype8137]

Lol.

[@JC-XL]

Only if Thomas would leave the other guy finish his point ... 😂

[@MattKander]

This is hands down one of the most useful and transparent conversations around game development and content creation I’ve seen in so long. Thank you so much for doing this guys.

[@amanunity7496]

Man, this talk just makes me feel so good that I'm not the only one who's just grinding all day long.

[@snowzardmusic]

Aman Unity i feel you so much

[@Ttangko_]

Grinding all day is 20 minutes total work time for me 🔥

[@Ggggggggggh-]

@@Ttangko_ what

[@Ttangko_]

@@Ggggggggggh- burnout

[@Ggggggggggh-]

@@Ttangko_ lol I feel you

[@zeheisty]

This video is basically David Wehle and Thomas Brush fangirling over eachother for an hour and 40 minutes.

[@DarkDiaspora]

This was such a treat for me. My two favs just talking about game Dev and their journey. Thank you guys I loved this. I am now taking a look at my bank balance and seeing if I can afford the course which I so want to do. Thank you guys. I don't know why you guys don't work together bringing more into the course. You guys would make a wonderful team

[@ReeceGeofroy]

2 very talented game devs having a conversation.. love it! Keep up the great work guys!

[@elijahlittrell7241]

Hey Reece!

[@rocketegg4454]

You both should Collab and make a wonderful game

[@jakator3234]

Michael Knaap Thomas knows how to make 3D games too though, it could definitely work

[@greenviewmedia6186]

@Michael Knaap have one make the 3d backgrounds, with the other creating flat 2d characters?

[@Imran7jr]

@Michael Knaap Thomas practiced 3d while also doing neversong previous year around September he talked about it... And also he will be making 3d games soon

[@pixelslime211]

@@greenviewmedia6186 thats called 2.5D game

[@sharielentertainment9037]

@@greenviewmedia6186 it doesn't t really matter whether It's 3d or 2d, if you know how to code for unity it's actually quite easy to transfer

[@ParinyaTeerakasemsuk]

To be honest, this is the first hour and a half of the interview/show on KZbin that I don't feel bored at all. It is just pure goodness to me as I am in the process of learning to make a game myself too.

[@TortoRacoon]

I failed early, I failed late, I'm still failling, but here I am, doing what I love

[@daviddelcastillodocs2devic633]

I have less than 30 days developing my first 2 games and 1st anddroid app. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your youtube channel. Thank you Thomas! and I also subscribedd to Daves channel too. I 'll be watching alot of your content from now on. Take care guys.

[@marscaleb]

14:45 "...What separates the great developers from the failed ones" Thank you for that insight; this question is one that hounds me incessantly, I am relish every opportunity to hear someone's thought on what separates the two.

[@studioprimitive]

David is probably one of the most inspiring figures to me right now in the indie industry. I relate to him so much and his situation, and it's awesome to hear his story and how he goes about game dev.

[@jonm80]

Being a musician - around the 45 min mark hit a note. Something I learned about recording and making a record at home, you gotta have the end in mind and focus on completion. The first record we did took months to finish - not because it wasn't all recorded, but because I was paying waay too much attention on the minute details (compression, reverbs, eqs, etc). But if I just hunkered down and just focused on the finish line, I would have saved at least a month if not alot more of my life if I just released it. I guess maybe I feared what people experienced in the field would pick apart all those details. But most people will actually just be proud of you for simply putting out a finished product. Stop caring about what people think, follow a step by step timeline, launch it, and move on to the next project.

[@Tbjbu2]

wow crazy how you are promoting his course and his channel like that. u r a really good guy bro.

[@immedinafrank]

Two big inspirations sharing their ideas and struggles is just invaluable.

[@jasonford7481]

You Thomas and David are both awesome people. You both inspire me. I worked 10 years in the game industry for large game companies. I am making my first indie game. My first game that is my idea and design. It has a freeing feeling. So thank you for the content you put out. Thank you for your KZbin videos. Keep going strong!

[@playertwowithjamesandjohn7944]

Jason Ford What's it called? Whats the concept?

[@joecooper8527]

The suspense

[@jasonford7481]

@@joecooper8527 I did not see the above post till now. Here is a link to a concept art for the game. www.artstation.com/artwork/dOZmv1

[@joecooper8527]

@@jasonford7481 Are both being in the game ?

[@jasonford7481]

@@joecooper8527 both of what?

[@maistrogaming7911]

Unity is like : i am such a proud father look at those two cute developers 🙏

[@Yardomaster]

"You gotta just start finishing stuff" is kind of along the lines of, "you can't win if you don't play." Very true! I've been working solo on a game that's a passion project of mine for a few years off and on (with a full-time job), and I also am raising a growing family. I've been trying to focus only on developing what's essential for the game and playing to my strengths, because that's all I have time for, but it's still difficult to see the path forward to an end. I know that, no matter what happens or whether anyone likes my game, I will be satisfied with the finished product, because I won't let myself release it without ensuring that it is in fact a complete game, even though it can't meet the standards I would like to meet with it (after all, I'm not a triple A game studio). It's encouraging to hear about how important it is to just finish a game, and this video is motivating me to take concrete steps to achieve that. I'd rather fail now than later, and better to fail than never try!

[@Thatnerdyfella]

When David said “when you’re single and no kids that’s the season to start as a game dev”. Thank the lord that I’m both of those right now. Lol

[@prism_schism]

In ten or twenty years from now, when a new generation of indie developers gives a Ted talk or interview I'm 100% sure they will reference THIS exact video/interview. It's the most transparent and informative conversation between devs I've heard. Thank you!

[@aethermass]

Fun conversation. I love the comments about the asset flipping. Gives me confidence to finish a game that will require them due to budget constraints.

[@oo0speed0oo]

I’ve been dying to hear a convo like this between two creators. Thank you guys amazing.

[@HappyNormalHuman]

Two of my favorite devs. Thank you for such an awesome talk. Really congrats on never song. I was so happy to see it do well, because it was clear you put so much work in to it.

[@JimRenato]

It's really cool to see people who went through what my brother and I went through for a few years. I see that you have a family and have a normal job during development, and I know that it is much more difficult to gain financial autonomy to quit your job and focus on game development. My brother and I are almost able to quit our jobs, we aim to do this by the end of the year, but for that to happen, there have been years and years of frustrated projects and nights of work with almost no feedback. In the end, I believe that whoever works and dedicates a lot, will realize the dream. Congratulations on the work you do, it encourages many people to start and continue with development.

[@lulucinalive]

That whole billable rate comment really really helped me out. It just messed up the way I think about how I spend my time now. Yeah we obsesse over the weirdest little things. Thank you!

[@RamDragon32]

On using assets from the asset store, I wish I could remember who's video it was but I watched a guy take a 5 or 6 frame run animation from the asset store and re-draw it with his original character by tracing the poses over a run cycle illustration from a book I have on my shelf from back when I thought I needed a degree in animation. The result was brilliant looking and clean and changed my paradigm on what it means to use assets from the asset store.

[@rjarora5054]

2 creators who are an inspiration to me in one video. My heart just melted away. 💖 I'm Crying it's like they know me and who Iam and they know my struggles. Their words are so relatable.

[@mikezackman1494]

I'm a complete novice who decided to try and make my own game for fun and I'm so happy to have found both of these guys. They help to remind me that it is indeed possible to release my own game I just got to work hard.

[@thornyan6481]

Sat through the whole podcast. Did not disappoint. I learned so many things, thank you both so much! Heading over to David’s channel right now, love the vids you two make!

[@El_Diablo_12]

9:00 worry of screwing up your entrepeneurship as a dad 27:00 becoming an entrepeneur and leaving his job while being risk averse 28:40 discipline working when you don’t want to 32:00 Thomas’s current 7 hour work schedule 33:10 10 hours a week on top of a 9-5 for Daniel’s first game 34:40 Daniel’s full time now and doing about 7 hours a day 35:30 savings for a couple years keeps the stress low 40:50 Daniel put a down payment on a mortgage from recent game launch ‘first tree’ 42:50 launching on console. Difficulty but getting to leave the day job 43:20 entrepeneurship is a step by step ladder. Each step may not seem like a lot. But the top of the ladder is financial freedom, independence and control. 47:00 why the stardew valley mode of a 6 year development timeline is deadly to most game devs. Market risk is too high, your first games will likely fail so do them quickly. 48:00 why Reddit is a scary place to market lol 55:05 little wins wanna make you keep going. Little wins=little drips of income that form a pond eventually, and maybe even an ocean. 59:00 marketing is finding people that’ll love you product, and telling them it exists 1:00:00 marketed concurrently during development, 7-2 hour split between development and marketing 1:02:00 it can feel embarrassing to sell, but you’ve gotta 1:03:30 Daniel is a reluctant salesman 1:03:50 the fun of marketing once you learn to love making money 1:12:20 you can get screwed over even if you have a lawyer. If you don’t listen 1:16:30 getting a publisher/investor before getting traction can be a bad idea 1:19:10 both suck/don’t consider themselves strong programmers

[@Deadforge]

Watching this again afyer a year. I love hearing about game development and the passionate story of devs. I go out of my way to find and experience these amazing indie games. I love games truly pushing boundaries and bringing the medium to an even higher level. Not just AAA has that ability. Triple A stagnates more than anything. Along with many other goals in life I hope to make a few games myself one day.

[@chriss590]

I just started working on my own game, and this has been one of the most helpful videos I've seen. Thanks to the both of you!

[@ronen6206]

as a 13 years old game developer I always felt like my games are bad and, maybe it's just because I work with unity for 6 months but those 6 months felt like 6 years, I learned so much and I still learning every day so much stuff and, as one that has awful art skills and 0 pre-knowledge or pre expirience my games always felt bad especially now when I working on my first big game and I always feel like no matter how much I will progress in my huge Trello board, the game will never be fun or good.

[@memphissportsvstheworld8456]

I'm 37 and I am just learning Unity and preparing to make my first game. It's great that you are working on these things at 13. You will be a beast at this by the time you turn 18. You will be a great game maker you're whole adult life, which is awesome!!!

[@fgc_7433]

I'm Super excited to start my journey making my game. I just bought a Wacom One that will be at my house on Thursday. Can't wait! Your videos have inspired me thanks Thomas.

[@TinyMaths]

There was so much positivity in this ( alongside the advice on how to be balanced); it really got in my feels. At the beginning one of you were saying that you're not 'cool' at all. Well, cool isn't the only thing that people are drawn to; a lot of people are drawn to people who come across as genuine, honest etc. You both seem to give off that vibe. I really enjoyed this and although I have no aspirations of being a game dev, I found it motivational in terms of other areas in life; just all round reasonable advice. Thank you!

[@chrismccole9778]

I work at a small gamedev studio in Philly, Gossamer Games. We work 40 hour weeks and I always feel a good drive to work on my own personal projects at home, which is really nice. I also have plenty of time to spend with my fiancee. I find that many days I don't work the full 8 hours, and I am even more productive, those mid-day showers, or extra long dish washing sessions are actually quite helpful to me being at maximum productivity throughout my day.

[@manibunz]

Finally! I have been waiting for you two to do something like this!

[@joyfulfishman5445]

I feel so inspired listening to David Wehle talk and I have such admiration and respect for his character. I hope that I can also combine my desire to help people/make the world a better place with my passion for game development in the same way he did! Thanks to Thomas and David for this fantastic discussion, I feel that I've learned so much!

[@madventure9785]

It's so cool that you made this clip. Best collaboration on youtube, we want more...

[@The6thRonin]

This is so excellent. I will be watching this quite a few times. I belong to both of their programs and they are each wonderful and worth it for anyone who really wants to become a game dev. They are both good teachers.

[@jasenlakic5033]

Great talk I needed to hear. Right now i wake up at 6am so i can work on games for 2h before going to work. I realised I am most productive in the morning so, no other way. Love your success stories, you clearly went through the struggles and frustrations but came out on top.

[@SnutiHQ]

Thank you both for sharing this amazing long form content. So much good stuff here. 😊❤

[@steliosstavropoulos499]

Wow this is really encouraging! I am an 18 year old game developer and your videos are very helpful. I am currently making a game with 0$ and I like very much how its going.

[@JackLaLonde]

This is easily my favorite video of yours. Would be addicted to a podcast if you made one

[@RioTFF]

My two favorite developers in the same video?? YES PLEASE

[@EUArrow]

The way both of your lighting and camera focus matches is really visually appealing.

[@DavesChaoticBrain]

36 minutes in he comments on diversifying income...This is why I don't think you should have killed your Patreon...You may be good now, but there's no guarantee that will last long enough to get to your next completed project...I have no idea if you really benefit much from it, but my personal opinion is to keep as many revenue streams going as possible. Even if you end up with millions in the bank doing nothing, you have no idea what could happen 10 years from now where you might need that cushion. Just my perspective.

[@thomasbrush]

My income will be fine for a bit :) Thanks for genuinely caring!

[@NihongoWakannai]

Patreons can have their own downsides though. People giving you money can start to form expectations, and even if you never promised to even meet those expectations, people can start to get mad at you if you don't follow their will. Part of people just *giving* you money is that they can form these unhealthy parasocial relationships. If you don't need the money, it can be better not to take patreon money and keep a more financially disconnected and stable relationship with your viewerbase. Just like how people realized the downsides that can come with making money from an early access model, there is always a tradeoff. Thomas has been successful within the model of selling single-sale products, and that's a pretty good place to be.

[@DavesChaoticBrain]

Good points. But as someone who's about to turn 49, I've seen how a good plan can fall apart through no fault of your own. Without a backup plan or decent cushion, recovery can be near impossible, or extremely difficult. With a backup plan and cushion, those challenges are greatly reduced and recovery is quicker.

[@Name-bb8wo]

@@DavesChaoticBrain I agree Back up plan is always good

[@Name-bb8wo]

@@NihongoWakannai I also agree that having audience with expectations might be a pain in the neck but it could be profitable if you can deal with it

[@NeatGames]

I love his GDC talk! So cool! I used assets to start my current game~ (But i have edited them heavily to make them my own! and added equally my own) DO THESE SOME MORE!!!!!

[@animakesgames]

Oh, you two are the cutest, I love how open you are about your process and I can relate to so many things you are talking about. Thanks for all the great insights! ^.^

[@000Gua000]

1:35:00 In my opinion David Wehle created one of best, if not the best game dev youtube channel that is currently available on youtube. So it makes sense to me that he got those amazing numbers so fast. I really enjoy seeing that meritocracy still sometimes work on youtube and good creators are able to break trough the noise.

[@Zeredek]

David Wehle is definitely proof that gamedev is *not* a meritocracy.

[@milantiquestudios7460]

I see using assets as this. First they were made to be used. I have characters I sell because I dont plan on using them but I hope someone does. So as a creator I think we can all agree, we make our stuff to be used, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Secondly, its like buying an apple. Then turning that apple into an apple pie and sell the recipe. Do you feel bad you didnt grow the apple or any of the ingredients yourself? No, cuz you cant do it all. Its just not logical. Somewhere you have to compromise because if you try to do it all then you are either going to only make 1 of your ideas come true or you will get frustrated with the parts you dont know well and dont like to do and just quit. Which is selfish cuz then no one can enjoy your idea now you selfish prick. lol -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hearing how he used assets really does quell my own fears of using assets. Not just being known as an asset flipper or getting sued but I fear not being able to say I made everything. The game is truly mine cuz I did it all. When in reality to truly have that title I would need to create the programs I am using too. So its good to hear this from someone who has succeeded.

[@kapirot9279]

Yeah absolutely, when you think about a house, we don't make all the bricks with our own hands, and so the concrete, the furnish, there's no problem in using assets

[@thanhlongtran9163]

"If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." - Carl Sagan

[@Zeredek]

Except the dude just straight up bought a pie and sold it, he didn't do any of the work himself

[@alexandrepedroza9217]

​@@Zeredek Well, why don't you do the same and get rich easily then? Why don't all of us do that and become rich and famous and highly apraised by critics and players alike? Stop hating and go make your own games my dude.

[@TimeWobblers]

Well the only thing is that this is somewhat different. Imagine a movie, that is done 100% using stock videos/images/sounds. And then another movie, which is a completely different one, done by different people but basically just a different combination of the same stock resources. How many of the movies like that would you actually watch after the first one or two?

[@cavedavegames5920]

Also deved for 3 years on my second game xD After 3 days on steam released I got 18 copies sold and a couple of heart attacks. Fail fast and make more games is a very important advice in this video. I got lucky to get covered by a bigger youtuber past weeks and people liked it and bought it, a good push in the right direction :)

[@aliriomiguel]

Media: “Avengers is the greatest crossover of all time” Thomas Brush: “hold my ice tea”

[@danirein1]

You guys are so truthful and inspiring, super interesting, and not only for people that want to create games but for anyone who wants to start there own business, thanks to you both.

[@aceyirl]

You can't stop the spirit of freedom in these guys hearts!

[@grahamreid876]

This was such a great chat guys! Very insightful. As I'm about to delve into the journey that is fatherhood myself, I'm so glad to hear you guys talking about successfully doing the thing WHILE being good dads. Cheers!

[@devilhero1062]

oh man everything you guys said, i m now facing it i just graduated from colleague and now idk what i should do whether i should look for full time job or make my dream (game dev) come true like u guys said i have no backgrounds associates on game devs, my country has no company that prioritizes games developing and i have no money to hire any additional artists, sound designers, etc. i can do most of the coding myself but there is no one to ask around cuz nobody around me is interested in making games i have 1 friend that is interested but he's into making 3D and i want to try small 2d side scroll game so our opinions and thoughts didn't match up but just like what u said Thomas, i decided to give myself 6 months and create a small game from scratch Thanks you, you are the inspiration for me to create a game from scratch

[@quintonnam9619]

This talk was VITAL! Thank you both so much for sharing your knowledge and expertise! Really appreciate it cos I am in exactly this boat trying to complete my first game and push it out! Loving your channels and your content!

[@rthiro8667]

Honestly watching you guys videos while making my game keeps me going and motivated

[@tajender_singh]

I was thinking why don't you both collaborate and make an amazing game... I'm certain it will do great!!!

[@MrDmadness]

I'm a contractor. I've taken 2 month off in summer for the last 10 years.. during this time I've piles of time, now I'm learning game dev.. progress is large given the ability to crush 10 plus hour sessions a day broken up by doing other things.. it doesn't feel like working like learning c++ did ( 4 moths off during covid I learned this to a point )

[@edwardslayd7816]

Great Video guys! Really appreciate the time you have taken to share your knowledge, experiences and yourselves with us all! I hope I can justify your effort by learning and growing & hope oneday to share with you both something that I have created from your influence!

[@notsure1969]

I am too much of a perfectionist in my projects. I like these kind of videos because it's kind of a practical slap in the face that that thing I'm spending 2 hours modeling is probably not going to be noticed by most players. Sometimes I feel like I'm being too ambitious and I get overwhelmed and want to quit. This was very inspiring. Whether or not I end up making any money off of it, the process is what I love about it - the world building and storytelling. Thank you for the advice.

[@robinstickel]

You two are so chill together, could watch you all day long :)

[@CartoonTutorBabi]

I'm a Game Dev and Cartoon animator and a fan of Thomas and this was a great podcast yall should do this more often! I loved it

[@IndieScapeGames]

I listened to this like a podcast, a little every day. Great video, very insightful; I've since purchased The First Tree and Pinstripe (came here with Neversong). Thank you guys for sharing!

[@BOSPWR]

Thanks for these videos, they really are inspirational. I am currently spending any spare time watching both you and David and leaning Unity. your videos are pumping me up ready to start making games this year. Love your work.

[@animatormark1]

Great conversation between two smart indie devs. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

[@omerfarukbykl6097]

1:02 yey! i am not the only person who drinks water with a jar :D

[@sharielentertainment9037]

No you still are the only one, lol

[@dogukanhos9345]

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[@sleepybearxx9214]

It's thee BEST way to drink water, my friend! Haha

[@fosterturtle]

Every minute of this was worth my time, thank you for putting this together!

[@cidadearts4369]

Great conversation, learned and agree with so much of this

[@mr_noodler]

Awesome videos Thomas Brush, thank you for making these!

[@nerdmassa9086]

54:00 When i told my mother i made 5k in the first few months after early access release, she told me "you are a failure of a man, earning just 5k after 2 years of work?". She will regret that.

[@InfiniteHole]

Hi, we created a demo, but now we don't have the money to conclude the game. Each member did the work (50 min of gameplay) and now they have their responsibilities and jobs. A big publisher said that we need to make at least 6 hours of gameplay, so they can make something with us. The question is, where I find the money to pay our members and conclude the game? If you take all the Steam downloads we had, 90% of them are in the wishlist. And that for me is crucial, a clear vision that the game has potential. But we are in this line right now, I sold my car just to make a travel to GDC with the other 3 members. I did everything I could, including a art replica, that we gave to Tim Sweeney. Developing games is my passion, and after all this, the experience I had is super super important for future projects. Anyway, I still saying to people to play our demo. This is my second experience producing a game, the first one was a F2P game just to learn and listen. Hope to improve my knowledge and had some luck on my side in the near future. Thanks for the channel, subscribed right now. Thx

[@3dartninja]

Great podcast, definitely enjoyed this and the long form discussion gives a great look into type of work your both doing!

[@brunoody]

didn't know him, now already following! two awesome devs that help the horde! tnx to both!!!

[@jeanlue]

One thing i respect about Thomas is that He always gives credit. Amazing character.

[@Andrelas11]

As a Christian father of 2 (soon to be three) who went to film school who now lives in the middle of nowhere rural America struggling to find the energy and time to make video games after working 40 hour weeks at a desk job, these videos are encouraging. I love working with teams and people I care about who have a sense of humor but finding good people who you enjoy working with that ALSO share your passion and commitment to film/game dev in such a small area is very hard and you end up feeling like the only one. I am so incredibly unsatisfied and drained from working a job I despise just to pay off the loans I acquired in school (bad decision made) that even things I WANT to do I no longer have the drive to do. I am still incredibly blessed and my family does very well thanks to my hard working wife and other supportive family in the area but I just don't feel satisfied with myself professionally. I feel like I have a huge level of wasted potential and time is just ticking away.

[@cooperbibaud]

Loved this. You should do more podcast type things like this!

[@wulumgames]

Guys, what a fantastic conversation. Inspiring to all of us creating our own games and trying to make a living out of it. Not even be millionaires, but to make an honest living paying our debts.

[@praveshgunnuck2922]

This man right here is a genuine good guy. Keep up the good work!

[@KhairulAnwar-mp8lo]

Love is in the air. The bromance is real. Love the podcast.

[@bluecloudcreationx7907]

So glad to have you guys :) will always be watching and learning

[@tonithezombiegirl6680]

Thank you so much for doing this! It is so uplifting and insightful. Inspiring people and encouraging them to life fuller lifes is such a great thing to do!

[@BastianTop]

Very inspiring talk guys! I have been watching both your channels while developing my own little game which is dedicated to my daughter. I have been wondering about marketing and publishing, and all the hints help a lot. Luckily I have a very stable day job though to keep providing for the family, so no stress! Just wished more people would play it haha! Keep up the videos guys!

[@AuroraVRXR]

Thank you so much for this inspiring video!! I really enjoyed it and as an aspiring game developer, I'm so glad for the advice.

[@gegenton3953]

34:00 hit me hard :/ I feel the same thing: I look forward to days off so that I can work on the game continously. Especially coding is hard after a long day at work... maybe asset creation is something that I can do, but not the hard but important tasks.

[@000Gua000]

55:50 Stardew Valley guy. Literally his first game.

[@McNottagoose]

I was thinking the same thing, though Stardew valley is truly a once in a thousand years type story. I don't think that itll be replicated again without a massive paradigm shift in the industry.

[@Reelix]

The person made a game - Whilst having a kid - And a full-time job - And the game earned him more than I make in a year - And it's considered a financial failure? o__O

[@joshuajennerdev]

I think you guys are using the term asset flip wrong. An asset flip is when someone takes a game that is already made and flips the assets so that it looks different but plays exactly the same. They do this to try and make money off of other people's work. Buying assets that were put on a store by their creator is just using pre-made assets not an asset flip.

[@rekware9320]

I just watched the first trees trailer..what a gorgeous looking game! Those soft pastel colours!!

[@ryanlaseter7626]

The documentary was also so inspirational Thomas :)

[@philiphickey3858]

Thanks for u channel Thomas uve helped me in my game dev career

[@LorneDev]

The best laid plans... funny to hear how thomas is going to rapidly release 3 games in the next 1,5 years. 3 years later he's working on a very interesting title, but still, no more games out. Planning is hard man

[@quantumapexofficial1556]

I watched the whole conversation and I identify with a lot of what you guys have said Thanks for this :)