ATP Garrett Gtx2860r gen 2 ford focus ST 1-3 gear acceleration. Big turbo

testing done on closed course
Just got my garrett gtx2860r gen II installed, and finished tuning by Edge Autosport. Otherwise Full bolton, stock fuel system. This video is on e30, although this thing screams on 93 octane as well. I attempted to pedal it in 2nd to keep it off the limiter, but this thing rips! BT

[@asian_raisin]

Fast car. Thanks for showing us the way. Exactly how I want my ST to drive. lol no traction until 70MPH

[@jessefincham8899]

😎 they spin all first anyways stock fr… might as well give it enough power that once it hooks up u can ✌️ out 😂

[@GTkyle]

Tire choice plays a role here. I switched to DWS06 tires and it would hook at 40mph after. I made a brief video about that, check it out.

[@asian_raisin]

@@GTkyle I'm also using brand new Continental DWS6+ as of last summer. I've the stage 2 short block from MAPerformance, big turbo and all the bolt ons but haven't installed my 4 port aux fuel yet. I still lose traction in 3rd gear but not at 70mph. 😁

[@GTkyle]

@@asian_raisin lol! That will do it! What sort of power are you putting down?

[@asian_raisin]

@@GTkyle stock fuel limit. Prolly around 350-370 right now. Still in the tuning process. I'd like to turn it up a bit in the next month or so but it's hard finding a reputable shop that knows this platform.

[@nickrossol9801]

Hell yes this is exactly what im planning on doing. Did you upgrade the internals of the motor at all? Im not planning on it but at the same time i need it as a daily driver so im a bit unsure on what to do. How much power do you think you're making with the e85 & 93 octane? Im nervous to go any higher than 380 whp lol

[@GTkyle]

Stock engine, stock fuel system. It all depends on how well you take care of the car, your tuner, and how you drive the car (like not accelerating hard below 1/4 tank of fuel). This is my daily and I'm in the same boat. This power is only at 22psi. So in theory, rhe turbo should live and the engine should live. Vdyno numbers on 93 are 340whp and e30 are 370whp.

[@nickrossol9801]

@@GTkyle Thanks for the info sounds awesome. I just ordered the steeda rear sway bar last night too so im excited to get that thing installed in the mean time

[@charlesjames1442]

Very cool. I'm a little wary of going to a 93 tune, though. I'm on long trips occasionally and finding 93 isn't always easy. Combine that with a smallish fuel tank and I get nervous.

[@GTkyle]

Most tuners will give you multiple slots to choose from. You use your cruise control switch to cycle through the slots on the fly. They could tune for 93 then give you a 91 tune as well with less timing. Just click over to the 91 tune for road trips.

[@hutch_bill_4479]

How noticeable of a difference between the powermax and this on e30?? Worth the extra money in your opinion? Thing rips 🙌🔥

[@GTkyle]

Massive difference. Not only peak, but the powerband is so much wider with this turbo, it pulls so much harder above 5500rpm than the powermax but still has really good punch down low as well as low boost responsiveness and street manners. Absolutely worth the extra money. Even this turbo on 93 feels so much better than the powermax on e30. I'm not downing the powermax, if thats your price range its a good choice for a little extra punch, but I'd go this route if you are willing to invest the extra.

[@davidgriggs3967]

As soon as you go stage 3 it needs some form of boost by gear or boost by speed. No point having the power if you can't put it down to the bitumen.

[@GTkyle]

Tire choice is crucial. See my newer video "traction testing continental DWS06". Those tires will actually put the power down from a 40 roll

[@jonahmitchell7094]

What else did you need for the big turbo upgrade? Also Did you upgrade charge pipes and which bov/bpv and where did you put it?

[@GTkyle]

All you need is an intercooler, high flow air filter, and the BOV option of your choice. There have been pa handful of people that use stock downpipe an exhaust successfully in the 350whp range (which is max limit for stock fuel). I made my own bypass valve setup using the stock charge pipes on the hot side pipe and into the inlet of the turbo. Here's my how to www.focusst.org/threads/how-to-custom-bypass-valve-setup-for-your-big-turbo-st-at-less-than-half-the-cost.166431/ Also you need a Junits/scooter cantweld elbow if you buy an ATP turbo kit. www.focusst.org/threads/custom-turbo-elbow-for-your-big-turbo-st-why-you-need-one-and-how-to-get-one-the-junits-elbow.166428/unread

[@AustinRides7264]

Torque steer has to be ridiculous! Lmao. My '13 fusion hybrid has a shit ton of torque. Can't imagine all that power with fwd lmao. I had a '16 Lincoln mkz 3.7 and 300hp fwd was just bad. Bad! 😂 Fwd is funny though. I'll launch the hubrid in low and it'll screech the tires to 50 and flash that TC light the whole time 😂😂 and fishtail. That shits funny to me coming from many 400+ hp cars

[@GTkyle]

It actually is very controllable in the ST. Especially after Wavetrac diff and much better tires than in this video. I have a couple other short videos on the car. I've since sold the car, I really loved that thing though

[@AustinRides7264]

@@GTkyle right on! What'd you upgrade to? Yeah tires and a better diff are the move for that setup. I'd love to have a way to disable the advancetrac and tc in my fusion. It turned off one time and it was a totally different vehicle! Lmao.

[@GTkyle]

@@AustinRides7264 BMW 335d. I needed something with similar performance but better MPG. So I ended up back in a diesel. I used to own a TDI Jetta before I got the ST Yeah even though the fusion is heavy I'm sure that torque still wins. I'm sure the fusion would be a riot with a big turbo

[@dannythompson1948]

Did your car break em loose at 60 mph? Good lord, i did not think these cars were capable of this.. how much did the turbo and supporting mods cost ya? And protuned? Awesome btw! Im a little jealous! Youd smoke my subie for sure!

[@GTkyle]

Spinning at 60, yes. I had since put much better tires on, in a newer video (see my page) you can see it would just scratch the tires between 40 and 50mph versus doing a big burnout. I had mods that weren't necessary to make this kind of horsepower, but usually you can go from stock to this kind of power for around 4,000 including purchase of the accessport and tune. Yes I was protuned. The car was a blast, I've since sold it and got back into the diesel realm, I do miss it though. Needed better MPG for my long commute

[@dannythompson1948]

@GTkyle right on, bro! I'm shocked, I was expecting you needed upgraded injectors, exhaust, intake etc. You know, all the crap you hafta do on subarus.. lol thanks for the response, have a great day!

[@GTkyle]

@@dannythompson1948 no sir! Basically the turbo, upgraded intercooler, better air filter (stock intake), and an external BOV or bypass option. I built my own bypass valve setup. Really that's it. Stock exhaust is good to this power, and there's a bunch of guys that will just run a downpipe hooked to the stock exhaust running big turbo. This horsepower is the limit of the stock fuel system. But most guys add an aux fuel rail to get them into the 400s on ethanol mixes. That's about 1200 bucks. Stock in-tank pump is good to 500whp, which is built engine territory anyway. It's a really good platform aside from being FWD.

[@bwiren13]

Is this on the stock open diff? Or do you have an LSD installed? Eventually I want to go with this same turbo, but even on my otherwise-stock ST with just a tune, it's already in dire need of an LSD so that's what I'm going to do before anything else haha

[@GTkyle]

Yes this is the stock diff. I have a Wavetrac in the car now, which made almost no difference in a straight line. It still absolutely kills the tires just the same as this video. The LSD made a huge difference throttling out of corners and down curved on-ramps though. I'd still upgrade the turbo first, way more smiles per dollar. Unless of course you autocross or do open track events all the time.

[@bwiren13]

@@GTkyle hey awesome thanks for the reply! I do autocross the car regularly. I’m thinking my first mod will be an MFactory LSD, then an intercooler, and I’ll probably see how long I can live with the stock turbo after that. I really like the allure of added power, but even the stock turbo makes way too much torque for FWD to put down mid-corner haha. I gather that optimizing the car’s ability to put down power is the best first move.

[@GTkyle]

@@bwiren13 I'd do the intercooler first (assuming the class you run allows them), or do the IC and LSD at the same time. You'll be amazed the difference it makes throttling out of a sharp corner. But I agree. Front wheel drive sucks and there's no way around that. Big turbo won't really help you on those tight courses. But I'm a highway commuter so I need the passing power.

[@fannichi]

Nice video brother! from where did you buy the turbo and who is your tunner? thanks in advance man

[@GTkyle]

Thanks! I bought the turbo and got tuned by Edge Auto

[@fannichi]

@@GTkyle are those in CT?

[@GTkyle]

@@fannichi no, Colorado. Edge Autosport, to be specific. The tuning process is done remotely via email, so it doesn't matter where in the world you live

[@fannichi]

@@GTkyle awesome thank you so much 🙏🙏🙏

[@mickeykenner3320]

Did you get the 0.64 or the 0.86?

[@GTkyle]

@@mickeykenner3320 .064. do not ever buy the .86 on a stock engine, it will be super laggy. This setup was perfect, just as snappy as the stock turbo but an additional 110whp over stock

[@rathuanyatzi]

She tearing shit uuuup!!

[@passion2peace]

So how would you compare how it "feels" in the seat wise, compared to like a stage 1 e30 tune on k03

[@GTkyle]

Well the e30 stage 1 will torque spike and fall off rapidly. You also heatsoak badly with the stock intercooler and lose power as you are progressing through the pull. You're probably not noticing this since it's all you've been used to, but you're losing power badly. The gen 2 2860 has the same punch initially but it keeps you pinned in the seat until redline. It becomes an entirely different animal. Also highway pulls are fulfilling and doesn't run out of breath like the k03 does. Every ST needs a turbo upgrade. In the meantime, do your engine a favor and get your intercooler high flow air filter (stock airbox) and downpipe. Don't worry about a cat back or cold air intake, just the essentials.

[@XSR_RUGGER]

@@GTkyleI have a stock 2015 ST I just got and am new to all this stuff. Would this 3 things be the first you would do for performance upgrades? I have kids so I gotta save for it and convince the wife it's "necessary"😂😂

[@GTkyle]

@@XSR_RUGGER biggest bang for your buck, Intercooler, high flow air filter in the stock box (leave the lid on!), and a custom tune or Adapt-x. Do not run the Cobb tunes that come already loaded into the Access. Buy an accessport bundle from one of the well known tuners. I use Edge Autosport.

[@XSR_RUGGER]

@@GTkyle I was just on their website last night as I found them on here. I appreciate the feed back my man. Any recommendation for the air filter? That's probably the easiest of the 3 to get done.

[@GTkyle]

@@XSR_RUGGER AFE dryflow. It's really only important to have since you're elevating boost with the tuning. The stock airbox and piping is fine. Definitely get the intercooler next, before you tune. CVF, Garrett, CPE are good options, just make sure they're in stock before you buy so you aren't waiting months for one.

[@Batman93GenesisCoupe]

Needs driver mod lol wheel spin causing you a loss in acc

[@GTkyle]

@@Batman93GenesisCoupe driver mod doesn't make the tires grip any better. Look at my newer videos, the continental's I put on later did much better with this setup.

[@carlodemarco2148]

Built motor?

[@GTkyle]

Nope, stock motor stock fuel system.

[@carlodemarco2148]

Thank you for the reply. How long did you run it for and was it reliable? I'm weighing up turbo options and the 2860 seems just about perfect for my goals of around 340/350 hp on stock motor amd stock fueling

[@GTkyle]

@@carlodemarco2148 i had a powermax turbo for about 7,000 miles, then switched to this 2860 gen 2 for about 23,000. I sold the car with 120k on the clock. Stone reliable. The car was my daily and reliability was priority number 1 for me. Part of your reliability comes with the tuner. I chose Alan at Edge Autosport because his tuning style isn't like others'. He tunes on the lower boost/higher timing philosophy which nets the same power numbers but is easier on the engine and turbo. Make sure you purchase an Arc Enemy Fab/Scooter Cantweld elbow for this turbo before installing it. The ATP elbow can lead to a cracked cylinder head due to the port mismatch. There's a few good topics about this on the ST forums.

[@carlodemarco2148]

@@GTkyle thank you so much

[@omgr86]

how much power?

[@GTkyle]

In this video which is on e30, 370whp. On 93, 341whp. This is using vDyno. Car has stock fuel system.

[@omgr86]

@@GTkyle wow she rips man

[@andomort]

A gtx 2860r is not a "big turbo" lol.

[@GTkyle]

A 28 frame turbo is substantially larger than the k03. So yes it is.

[@andomort]

@@GTkyle just because it's bigger than tiny doesn't make it big, it's still small.

[@GTkyle]

@@andomort The good news is, I can't think of anything I value less than your unsolicited opinion.

[@andomort]

@GTkyle the bad news is, your opinion of big must make a lot of girls real disappointed. Unless you swing the other way, I mean you do drive a Ford.

[@captainhellhound7451]

@@andomortso if we use this thing called common sense, 33 < 35. So even a 35mm turbo is a big turbo on an ST. It’s specifically referring to the platform. It’s okay that may have been hard to infer.

[@boostaholic5471]

Slow af

[@GTkyle]

Of course it is. Anyone that tries to make a front wheel drive fast is a fool.

[@AustinRides7264]

​@@GTkylenot a fool. That's good fun in a light focus. Money well spent! I've owned a V12 and so many V8s and 300 horsepower V6s. To have that much power in a light car is just different. That little Ecoboost with a big turbo would be a lotta fun. Good build!

[@GTkyle]

@@AustinRides7264 I was being a smartass, I'm the one that made a FWD fast. Haha.