Attempting & upgrading TikTok 2 ingredient 'flour chicken' (seitan) | Barry tries Ep 36

[@mrbarrylewis]

I've never kneaded underwater before! But this was a really super fun one to try, top tip, drive as much flavour into it as you can and you may just enjoy it! Full recipe barrylewis.net/recipe/2-ingredient-flour-chicken/ If you'd like to check out the other Barry tries to date - including Gordon Ramsay's beef wellington head to this playlist and grab some popcorn kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpjdqZhtn69ppaM

[@Agrilad-hb3rv]

Hi!

[@rolfs2165]

Btw, you could put the washing water to the side and let the starch settle, so you can use it to … I don't know, thicken sauces.

[@lynnejamieson2063]

I’m pretty sure that after the seitan has been boiled, it then supposed to be cooked in another way, it isn’t supposed to be eaten plain, at that point it’s meant to be treated the same way as you would raw meat.

[@MothCreature13]

yeah you usually pan cook it then, or bake it.

[@GyroCannon]

Yep. The entire time that they were criticizing the seitan's lack of flavor, I just keep thinking about how bland chicken is if they had cooked it the same way

[@lynnejamieson2063]

@@GyroCannon that was my exact thought too. It’s been a very long time since I ate meat but I don’t remember it having very much flavour by itself, I’m sure what makes it enjoyable is the way in which it’s prepared and not just barely cooked and unseasoned morsels.

[@thesexualsoup]

@@GyroCannon exactly! Drives me up the wall when people think vegetarian stuff is bland when they didn't season it.

[@emilyhughes4297]

But he did try it in a few different ways, how are you meant to know how to cook something unless you try it out?

[@deereating9267]

I've found the longer you knead it the first go, like really until it is so stiff you can't even knead it anymore, the better the gluten develops and the more seitan you get from the flour. And nutritional yeast + soy sauce kneaded into the seitan adds a lot of savory flavor.

[@mrbarrylewis]

Nice tip thanks! It noticeably changed after the braiding step, went from super droopy to tough!

[@Jesslath]

This looks like a staple of many chinese vegetarian recipes the process of washing is called 洗面筋 (literally: washing gluten) there are quite a few chinese vegetarian dishes that use this as a meat substitute

[@Nathh99]

“It’s bearable but flavourless” I mean this is similar to people who take a bite out of raw tofu / unseasoned soggy boiled veg - you’re not going to have a good time having unseasoned food Ingredient recommendations for experimenting with enhancing your seitan flavour: vital wheat gluten and nutritional yeast/nooch (can get at Holland and barret), liquid smoke (online or in large Tesco’s) and you can get interesting different flavoured stock cubes such as mushroom / garlic / or even sriracha flavoured

[@auntlynnie]

Nutritional yeast is actually really a good addition, because it’s rich in B vitamins, like meat.

[@waynehough13]

“I might just step away” 😂 perfect reaction and valid response to something that’s not working

[@toxictrumptube7763]

But with Barry, there always is a 3rd ingredient: Fun! 👨🏼‍🍳🤪

[@mrbarrylewis]

for sure

[@MyHeartlessKiller]

Thank you so much for making these videos Barry. They are always the highlight of my day and one of the only reasons I still watch KZbin!

[@suzz1776]

this reminds me of when I was really little, my grandma would teach me how to make paste out of flour and water. and when she wasn't looking, i would eat a little piece(idk why but i just rem doing it.). lol. we would then use the paste glue to make little paper mache bowls and cups etc.. . i really miss my grandma(she passed away a couple yrs back). so thank you for bringing back good memories of her when she would babysit me as a little girl. :)

[@mrbarrylewis]

No worries, fun story and sorry to hear about your grandma

[@scragar]

Braiding is easy, in future just remember it's always swapping into the middle from alternate sides with the outside on top(also works with the outside on the bottom since it's just a braid rotated 180°, but everyone does on top so for the sake of consistency stick to on top).

[@rennnnn914]

I've been making sietan for decades and never let it 'rest'. I can't see why it would need it. You really need to knead it more than you did.

[@Minnigirl1]

I just wanna hype Pheobe up! its awesome that you're getting into vegetarian foods!!! (violife has the best vegan cheese, it melts properly so its great on pizza)

[@anwenpoole2115]

Thanks for doing this, it's something I've been wanting to try making. You've given me courage to try it!

[@dazio7035]

A really great video as usual, Barry. I have to say a special thanks to Phoebe for a great review delivered with confidence......... Well done!!!!

[@CricketEngland]

A lot of food videos on TicTok and KZbin (those that just play background music and never eat what they make) are faked just for the viewing figures at leat with your channel you never fake anything and actually eat the stuff you make... well done

[@mrbarrylewis]

The eating part sometimes scares me lol but gotta do it haha

[@markfergerson2145]

That's partly why I refuse to subject myself to TikTok at all. That and I want to preserve as many brain cells as I can at this late stage of my life...

[@DimT670]

Well that's not exclusive to tiktok, happens in youtube too

[@becky1992]

I don't use Tik Tok because of all the privacy concerns and the Chinese gov stealing peoples data/ spying via your phone or pc camera and its also been proven Tik Tok also saves your contacts/ photos/ bank details etc .....scary stuff! Although, no social media is completely safe but Tik Tok is one of the worst. Plus I just think its pointless and unsafe for kids. 🫤

[@sha46327]

The section you seasoned was done well, thank you for showing that bit. No one who makes seitan leaves it bland or boils it in plane water. I think some TikTok users may have for show, but that's not at all how it's done. You did right seasoning it up! Boiling is never the last step, that's when the "dough" becomes "seitan". From there it's turned into something more as you did frying it, there are tons of possibilities! Pan seared, fried, baked, grilled. I was so stoked you even went out of your way to get vegan "chicken" seasoning!! Then you dipped it in buttermilk. I know you addressed this but - Oh, Barry. 🤦‍♀️ Any non-dairy milk would do, but you can also make vegan buttermilk by adding about a tablespoon of lemon juice or your vinegar of choice to a cup of non-dairy milk and letting it sit for a couple of minutes. As a vegan it makes me excited to see this going around and people seeing the possibilities! When people do it right that is, with seasonings and final cooking steps - TikTok users need to work on fitting some of that into that short time, lol.

[@TheQashqaiGuy]

Thank you Barry! Really unwell today so having a day in bed, this should make me feel better!

[@heart.shaped.locket]

Hope you feel better soon!!

[@Maddie-zu7qn]

I loveeee when you do vegan/vegetarian recipes. Please do more ❤️

[@tarns17]

Even though its something I wouldnt make for myself, I found this really interesting to watch, Barry! By the way, Chloe looks like she has had a big growth spurt in this video - she looks taller, and less like the "little Chloe" than she was! :)

[@bradasstv]

Hey, Atomic Shrimp just made some recently, as well.

[@Jhizzle2495]

The best channel

[@SkajHopper]

Would love to see Atomic Shrimp take Barry on a forage!

[@bradasstv]

@@SkajHopper heck yeah!

[@bradasstv]

@@Jhizzle2495 agreed!

[@RealLifeTimelord]

easy braid tip! swap the right with the middle then the left in the middle then the right again...repeat till you have your desired length

[@CarlGorn]

*On Braiding* : My sister explained it to me this way. A standard braid brings the alternating outside strands to the middle, putting the one over the other. An inverted braid does the same thing, but does so by bringing them under each other. A French braid is a standard braid with extra bits braided in (causing some to think it originated with a mademoiselle who was hungover and thus not fully coordinated).

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

I had no idea you had your own channel! I'm loving content about decent attempts at food these days so I think I'll enjoy these

[@gothamsauce8143]

homer is in the background like "thats not chicken, nope."

[@xRandomSarahx]

I totally understand the confusion with trying to work out the braiding. I can braid my hair but even then I got confused trying to work it out for this!

[@lbennett5027]

There is a KZbinr called Sauce Stache who makes alternative meats and other vegan things. I remember him doing this and it took ages! Kudos to you for sticking with it that long!

[@hennydarmse]

Pretty interesting stuff! I wonder how people come up with these kind of recipes. And nice to see Phoebe enjoying one of your creations! :)

[@Collinormous]

Months ago when I first saw this on tiktok I gave it a go and the appearnce was so close to chicken thigh/ breast I was shocked. I didn't use any seasoning so it was pretty bland, but the texture was there.

[@SQWEKERZ]

Going to try this with the korean fried chicken recipe, that one really doesn't work very well with fake chicken pieces you get in supermarkets (though it tastes delicious anyway!) Also for vegan buttermilk, 1 cup of soya milk with 1-2tsp of lemon juice, mix well and leave for a minute.

[@DebHickerson]

I've personally been making seitan (we just call it gluten steaks) since the '70s, and have relatives who have been making it much longer than that. I like to use about 1/3 whole wheat for texture. Don't rinse too much; my ex-MIL nearly washed hers all away once. LOL I've also never let it rest like that, and always, always boil it in some kind of broth, not plain water! We usually roll ours into a log then slice it into steaks, boil in broth for an hour and let rest overnight in the broth (refrigerated). Bread and fry the steaks and serve with cranberry sauce or use the remaining broth to make gravy. Yum! The leftover steaks make fabulous sandwiches.

[@Fridelain]

Try the plain version with MSG, maybe liquid smoke.

[@BemusedOwl]

Nice try uncle Roger get back on your own show

[@Tridd666]

Or just eat chicken

[@Fridelain]

@@Tridd666 That too. I ended up using a chicken boullion cube, mostly salt, MSG, and palm oil, but also some chicken and veggies. With KFC style coating it turned out fairly decent, only it was more like the edible-not meat bits around the bones in fried chicken.

[@TheVerosyv]

dont want 💩💩💩💩💩🌪️🌪️🌪️ thanks

[@thesexualsoup]

@@Tridd666 if you washed and boiled chicken it would taste bad too, though 🤔

[@CaraBelz]

I just watched Emmy made make some seitan I loved your version as well as hers, I would absolutely love to see you guys do a colab after all this craziness is over!

[@shapeofsoup]

Might be good with chicken.

[@mrbarrylewis]

lol yes

[@Munstergal82]

Absolutely love your videos you try anything 😊

[@bengosling4606]

Watching Mrs B teaching Baz how to braid is like me tryna teach someone how to tie a tie it's muscle memory so it's just easier to do it yourself then tell someone else

[@laartje24]

Yeah, I have been there. My 4 yo niece wanted to learn how to braid. And I was sure I can easily learn you that. And then I found myself struggling when the stands where not in my own hands XD

[@Jeffffrey0902]

Here in Hong Kong, fried gluten balls are a must for hotpot because they're puffy and soak up the flavour of your soup base.

[@geraintjones7555]

Brilliant video. Not sure I'll try this one myself but it has definitely opened my eyes to new ideas. One thing though, wouldn't it be really carb heavy?

[@heatherrowles2580]

Not carb heavy, its the carbs that are washing out.......by the time youre done washing it almost all the carbs have gone down the sink and what is left is protein.

[@geraintjones7555]

@@heatherrowles2580 Thank you. Think I may have to give this one some research 👍

[@Eternal_Rider548]

there's high gluten flour, like 90% protein, that you can buy to make it easier.

[@saraatppkdotpt8140]

I love your recipes! Interesting watching you trying vegan protein 😋

[@LauraNeasey]

Phoebe is a clone of her mother. Looks and speaks just like her! 😁❤

[@markchapman6800]

Especially in the post credits scene today!

[@markchapman6800]

@@LauraNeasey You replied to the wrong person - this is in response to @Okurka 's nitpick. I was agreeing with you.

[@LauraNeasey]

@@markchapman6800 Oop, my bad lol

[@LauraNeasey]

@@Okurka. OH, my bad. Wrong choice of words huh? People never use that the word "clone" when describing children of humans and animals? I meant to say, "Phoebe looks exactly like her mother (other than the chin and nose of course). My bad Barry! Didn't mean to exclude you like I am every day when people say my son is a clone of his father, even though he clearly has my feet! 😁

[@markchapman6800]

@@LauraNeasey No worries.

[@Rasengandattebayo82]

this is pretty cool to see, great to see more popular KZbin try this instead of just sauce stache

[@WantedVisual]

You can make food from the starch water, too. Fake-on and crepes I've seen so far.

[@linnetcreative]

Ooh , i was thinking while watching that there must be use to the startch water. I know startching material is commoj not sure if this would be the right water for it

[@toddoframsgate1393]

That was glue in my day.

[@gcqldrgirl]

OMG, yes Mrs B, it does look amazingly like chicken.

[@MojitoMouse]

If you ever make it again, save the starch water, you can use it to make immitation bacon! :D Emmymade made a video about that recently.. ^^

[@rchhcsupernova]

VEGAN BUTTERMILK: 1 cup of soy milk, add 2 tbsp of white vinegar, stir, let sit for 10 min, done. Plain yogurt can also do if you have that,

[@kikidee1969]

Engevita nutritional yeast has a strong chicken vibe for me (only that brand), so if you can get it, I think, using it to flavour /marinade the seitan will give it even more of a chickeny vibe ❤️❤️❤️ also, Edward and Sons and Massel make vegan chicken broths 🌱❤️ love to Phoebe

[@ItsMatildaC]

Ngl this just popped up on my suggestions and I haven't watched it yet, but I read the thumbnail as 2 ingredient floor chicken, and was thinking "So the floor and the chicken?" LMAO

[@avamelone2120]

when you braid you just alternate sides so left over to the middle then right over to middle and continue. You just bring the left and right sides over to become the middle strand. :)

[@oplkfdhgk]

13:52 i usually just mix water and flour and add little bit of spices and baking powder :)

[@robchissy]

Rik Mayal: It's amazing what you can make with just flour and water Ade Edminson: yeah, glue

[@lauramaldonado5591]

I absolutely love all your videos. You have a beautiful family! I have to ask, do you have an assistant that throws you your items or kitchen gadgets or does your family help?

[@poisonivy1616]

I like to add Marmite, nutritional yeast, tahini, half veggie stock cube, soy sauce, garlic powder & msg to mine it's soo flavourful & yummy I'm addicted

[@sha46327]

Yes! Thank you! ... Those bland bits made me so sad. I just kept saying, "That's not how it's made though!", lol.

[@averney]

For all the effort you put into it, 'it's not too bad' I think I'd rather have beans on toast.

[@SQWEKERZ]

That 3 pronged sieve is awesome!

[@dorelle]

LOLOLOL I'm sitting here getting stressed out watching you guys try to braid lol :P

[@meowmeow5]

To braid, the easiest way is to leave the middle alone, move right hand piece to middle, pick up the ex middle one on right hand, then do left hand to middle, pick up ex middle and left side, and repeat

[@Snoopy101a]

Good tip for frying. Use a candy thermometer to read and maintain temperature.

[@keitatakahashi5351]

Would be interesting to try this with msg powder added and use mushrooms in the stock for more "meatyness"

[@theindigollama]

Sooo. Saw from EmmyMade you can use the starchy water to make dumplings and Fake bacon. Plan on trying either or those out if you make this again? Someone mentioned smoked paprika to add more smoky flavor.

[@Ashs290]

Hey Barry love your videos. Slightly off topic but I love the colour of the kitchen cabinets. Do you the name of colour or where did you get your kitchen from ?

[@pqrstsma2011]

doesnt Brioche contain eggs? and hence not suitable for vegans?

[@rebeccahetrick6576]

To braid, you divide what you're braiding into three equal sections, lay them out next to each other, and then pick up the left side and bring it to the middle and pick up the right side and bring it to the middle, repeat....

[@jasonluke6364]

Phoebe has grown up soooo much

[@shevshep]

Hi Barry really interesting. I get the experiment on flavour 100%, my only thought is where's the goodness? Is flour and water healthy? Love your work and living in Exeter, can't wait for the pizzeria!!

[@heatherrowles2580]

Technically what youve got when youre done isnt flour and water, it is the protein from the flour with everything else, including the majority of the carbs, washed away. It is NOT a complete substitute for meat, there are a lot of nutrients like iron and vitamin B12 missing and you'd have to get those elsewhere (leafy greens but again, not as good as meat and you'd have to eat a LOT of spinach to match a small piece of steak for either) but it IS a good source of protein for muscle building.

[@GuppyCzar]

Hail Seitan!

[@Jayenkai]

Watched Atomic Shrimp do this the other day (in his recent 2 days on £2 challenge.) Certainly looked.. um.. odd!!

[@ashleybarker8121]

Easiest way to remember you go left over middle right over middle and keep going 🤣

[@RossOriginals]

Oh I've seen this process done to make glutenous noodles on a program about regional foods of China, interesting. Fun fact, you *can* just cook normal yeast to get an interesting meaty flavoured broth.

[@wraitholme]

Getting close to that million sub mark... :D Also I am seriously jealous of that nasa hoodie.

[@linnetcreative]

Out of curiosity ,especially texture wise have you barry tried cooking gordon ramsey's vegan steak recipe ?

[@thenubalicious]

I wonder if soy sauce and a little liquid smoke seasoning would give it a grilled chicken flavor

[@alexandriasanders9499]

I believe Merle from Goodful uses those very ingredients

[@MrPsychomonkey]

Would you get better yield with strong flour?

[@sha46327]

Yes!

[@kennethyoung141]

Mrs.B to the rescue. Gotta love the ladies.

[@laureltree12]

It would be really nice to see you try a proper recipe (no TikTok!) for seitan after this.... anyone trying the two-ingredient version of seitan is going to be really disappointed if that's what they think seitan dishes normally taste like. My favorite seitan-based dish has fourteen ingredients for the "meat" (compared to 8-10 ingredients in the comparable meat dish) and it is delicious. Proper seasoning and cooking it the right way really does make all the difference.

[@MrScottev]

You could use stock instead of water in the mix.

[@heatherrowles2580]

Not much point, you'd wash out any flavour it added getting the starch out. Better to drive the flavour in once the starch is out by kneading it like Barry did.

[@JeriAnnHenson]

I love the Lewis Girls!

[@themagicknightress7132]

I wonder how much easier you Could do this in a stand mixer

[@sonofliberty1]

Love Phoebe's NASA hoodie.

[@DimT670]

Im really interested in making this, but im neither vegan nor vegetarian, so im really interested in exploring how this can be used with meat and meat products I made a hash with tofu and spicy sausage the other day and it was amazing.

[@Oonagh72]

I’ve only done this once. Too much effort when I can just buy some freaking wheat gluten and keeping it pushing.

[@Ketutar]

Unless you live somewhere where you can't just buy some freaking wheat gluten.

[@handsoffmycactus2958]

Just buy some chicken much easier

[@Oonagh72]

@@Ketutar serious question: Where do you live that they don’’t have gluten? This I am really curious about since wheat gluten is used in making bread.

[@laartje24]

@@Oonagh72 The Netherlands, at least I never found it.

[@ananannanas]

I have never seen gluten in the stores here.. flour, yes. Gluten, no.

[@MooseBrapperz]

Love the tik tok vids!

[@ZeroWalker26]

So this is basically eating cooked or fried dough. Well must be great for does people that love to eat cookie dough.

[@TheLololovesyou]

WTF seitan is amazing! Make it alot and always have good results. I actually prefer it to using vital wheat gluten 😊. You can use the water and flour mix that comes off washing the dough to make vegan 'bacon'.

[@mrbarrylewis]

That's awesome about the bacon! Wanna try that now, yeah vital wheat gluten has worked well for me in the past

[@TheLololovesyou]

@@mrbarrylewis nice to see you trying vegan/vege makes. Lots of recipes around for the bacon. Hope to see you take on the starch water bacon 😊

[@owenbell307]

Brading is always over the middle from alternative sides

[@Reno-619]

What’s the name of this music 😭😭😭😭😭 at6:40

[@deliriouscheeto]

My biggest problem with seitan is that this is not really a chicken alternative. It has no protein. It can't be promoted as the "meat" part of a vegetarian meal.

[@danielgray8235]

I feel like the comparisans are harsh. If you just ate a totally plain chicken breat it would be pretty grim and tasteless too

[@Tyrope]

The way i've learned braiding, for those in the comments who are curious: Left to middle, right to middle, left to middle, right to middle.

[@oplkfdhgk]

Usually people fry it on frying pan after boiling. Or i guess you could use your new airfryer too :p

[@sha46327]

Season it. Fry it, bake it, grill it... Tons of a possibilities, and not the least bit bland, when done right.

[@oplkfdhgk]

@@sha46327 exactly

[@roberthindle5146]

Dont brioche buns have butter in them?

[@pepsimax8078]

I was kind of hard to watch the braiding 😅 always put it in the middle 😄 I am not good at it, but I always lift the outside leg into the middle, and switch up which side you put in the middle 😄

[@RossOriginals]

I wonder if you should have saved all that starchy water and, like, tried to separate it or let the starch settle or something, seems like you got through a lot.

[@TheCotzi]

you should have let it rest after Boiling and then Fry it in a pan or roasting in thge oven befor boiling it and still fry it

[@robertschnobert9090]

Hey Barry! 🌈

[@_Piers_]

I guess it's "Cupboard nugget" week :)

[@gingerpicklemcpickle]

Barry. Next time, take qourn chicken pieces, blend them to a paste and form qourn burgers or nuggs. Add a zinger type batter or seasoned crust (tarragon, black pepper based is good). Boom.

[@carrolwoodley9041]

Do you all have to make so much noise when you eat

[@hannayoung9657]

You should check out Sauce Stache Channel. He flavour it even more.