GENMITSU PROVerXL 6050 Plus CNC Router, 15mm linear rails, 20mm linear rods, 130 lbs. 300W spindle

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@awesomearizona-dino Жыл бұрын

Thanks Aurora, the vibration on metal is properly called "chatter" in the machinist world. Chatter is Not always easy to predict or solve unless you are an experienced machinist.

@TMS5100 Жыл бұрын

@17:45 LMAO i was expecting a broken endmill!

@AuroraTech Жыл бұрын

It didn't break until it hit the vise on the left. Unfortunately, I didn't catch that on camera because I accidentally kicked the tripod away while trying to press the emergency stop button :)

@yeroca Жыл бұрын

@@AuroraTech I hope you two wear eye protection when using these machines!

@Dailyaffirmation273 Жыл бұрын

Climb milling will give you a much cleaner finish as opposed to conventional milling. I’d like to see the same tests done that way in the aluminum and brass

@andreucho7289 Жыл бұрын

21:33 You can install the motor on the front and access the knob easily, just invert the cables on the motor.

@PiefacePete46 Жыл бұрын

Another top-notch presentation, thank you. I would love to have seen the slots being cut with a smaller diameter cutter, so it did not contact both sides of the slot at the same time. Also a light full-depth finishing or "spring" pass to show just how good the finish can be.

@assetstacker 10 ай бұрын

I second that

@blackwater7183 Жыл бұрын

I always wanted this CNC machine. Nice review!

@dennismasi9736 Жыл бұрын

Excellent Review. Spindle power is a secondary factor. Seems like the more significant reason for better results with a router vs. the stock spindle is the collet system. On the stock spindle of this (and most other import table-top cnc routers), the collet chuck seems to be an arbor attachment that extends about 5-6cm (plus the cutter), introducing a large amount of flex in the cutter path. This is also why the wood and plastic engravings benefitted by a second-run (machinists call it a "spring-pass"). With the router spindle, the collet is integrated into the (1 piece) motor shaft, and is much more rigid (translates to less chatter). Some other comments correctly call-out climb vs conventional cutting which can be addressed with more complex toolpaths.

@Anon-zz7dz Жыл бұрын

I received 2 of these routers off an Amazon returns pallet and I have never used them. I have one set up with a palm router ready to try. The other is still in its box which is really heavy. I have all the gear but no idea 😂

@scorpianspirit5124 Жыл бұрын

Great review. I own this machine and it is a work horse and have been extremely pleased with it's performance. I do have it placed on a very sturdy bench which does not move as you noted is required for this machine. I also upgraded the spindle to a 500 watt unit and use mostly quarter inch end mills and bits, but overall I love this piece of equipment and it's quality is outstanding. Ball screws would be nice, however it;s overall performance is just fine the way it's built. Well done review as always. Thumbs up for your review and this machine. Cheers.

@stunod-RC Жыл бұрын

When doing the clearance cuts on the tray, try going full depth of cut, but with .020-.025” (.5mm) radial depth of cut. Can up the feed as well with this setup. Better to engage more of the cutter flute and not do all the cutting with the tips of the end mill.

@dtroy15 Жыл бұрын

Exactly. This is the basic foundation of HSM.

@stunod-RC Жыл бұрын

Also suggest using a 3 flute end mill in Aluminum and Brass. Single flutes are for plastic, and 2 flute tends to chatter more.

@PiefacePete46 Жыл бұрын

@@stunod-RC : I am a great advocate of single-flute for aluminium... especially soft, extruded material. Not so critical for free-machining grades, like T6061 etc. The extra space around the cutting edge helps with chip evacuation and heat mitigation. Brass is not an issue normally; the chips are so fine they clear easily in two or three flute cutters.

@AuroraTech Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip!

@nerored6235 Жыл бұрын

I can just imagine the shock on your face when it flying through that plate and just coldly sliced off that whole corner. Not sure if you were more surprised that it do it so easily or upset that the plate got trashed though.

@AuroraTech Жыл бұрын

Silly mistakes happen all the time to me as a hobbyist machinist. I will leave the plate for future aluminum cutting tests.

@Gotchatwice Жыл бұрын

I feel like on your step down review if you clamped it to a piece of wood so that the plate cannot chatter you would get a more consistent result as the slots closer to the vice jaw have more stability than in the middle.

@OregonBladez 3 ай бұрын

Please tell me where the setting is to change the home location. I'm feeling like I need to investigate my 6050 and it's software as little cause I didn't know that was possible. I've had this machine for a few months and just settled on that is dumb and let it go. Great machine, I have no complaints on it. I do not recommend their wifi module. I may have just received a bad one but I'll never try another one.

@midu1773 8 ай бұрын

Hello, First of all, great video and test. You have now tested both machines, which one would you recommend? Which is more stable and robust when milling plastic housings and 2mm aluminum? The 4030 V2 has ballscrew and better closed loop stepper motors. The 6050 Plus doesn't have that, but it has linear guides. Which machine do you think is more accurate? I don't care about the size of the design. It is important to have a reliable and stable milling machine. Thank you!

@AwestrikeFearofGods 11 ай бұрын

Both for this machine and the 4030, most of the gains in metal-cutting quality and performance were due to increased workholding and spindle rigidity, not power. For both machines, the Makita router improves rigidity, but that improvement was barely noticeable on the 4030, because its poor frame rigidity was such a weak link. Deflection caused by the weight of the Makita router is irrelevant, because it is constant and reasonably small deflection. Deflection caused by cutting forces is inconsistent, and therefore problematic for precision finish cuts. Spindle power only became relevant when taking that high-speed homing cut through the printer-bed carriage plate. There we learned that this machine has potential for deep, high-feed roughing. I assume that cut would have come out a bit cleaner, if the workholding didn't fail. Happy accidents. 17:46

@Duckferd Жыл бұрын

OMG that moment at 17:52

@BruinBearDoc Жыл бұрын

Can you PLEASE review 6090 4axis CNCs, especially tell us the model and brand you use.

@AuroraTech Жыл бұрын

I'm not quite satisfied with the quality of that steel 6090, it was an unbranded machine from Alibaba. The spindle is powerful, the machine is heavy, but it has various issues. The bed was uneven, coolant leaking from the bed to the bottom of the machine, the entire gantry is tilted, I was unable to tram the spindle level. While it's still usable for creating some aluminum parts for personal use, the price of $4000 seems too expensive for that quality.

@BruinBearDoc Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@rescobar8572 10 ай бұрын

This was such a great review Aurora, that I just can't THANK YOU enough! 🙏🏻 I loved this review that I purchased this same model from Genmitsu. I am going to assume that you use Fusion 360 for your modeling based on your other videos, and was wondering what machine you used or selected in the manufacturing side of Fusion. I believe my issues in generating the right CN is in the machine that I've selected. Again, THANK YOU so much! ❤

@michaelmounts1269 3 ай бұрын

You really are a great reviewer...kudos

@alfredoj1349 10 ай бұрын

Great comprehensive review as always

@xConundrumx Жыл бұрын

Bummer, looked like a good platform until ... I saw the leadscrews. For this pricepoint it shouldn't be that hard to get ballscrews instead and not waste the fact that they went with linear rails.

@nicojordan3542 15 күн бұрын

Thank you thank you thank you

@corlissmedia2.0 Жыл бұрын

Looking forwards to your review of the new Bambi Labs Mini.

@AuroraTech Жыл бұрын

Yes, it was scheduled for October.

@corlissmedia2.0 Жыл бұрын

Great, I'm looking forwards to it! @@AuroraTech

@apachesmokewoundedsniper Жыл бұрын

That was a great review, I’m looking for a cnc that will work good on carbon plates up to 7mm. Do you have some recommendations for me 😊 thanks for the time your taking to make these great videos.

@AuroraTech Жыл бұрын

Generally, if a machine can handle hardwood and aluminum, it shouldn't be a problem to cut carbon fiber sheet. But I don't have any carbon plate to test it.

@apachesmokewoundedsniper Жыл бұрын

@@AuroraTech thank you

@BruinBearDoc Жыл бұрын

Does the coontroller allow for adding a 4th axis?

@ronin2167 10 ай бұрын

What kind of tables do you recommend to sit the machine on? I have one on order.

@even1007 Жыл бұрын

晚上好小姐姐，很喜歡你的分析評測。謝謝你❤❤❤

@angelgalmich2314 Жыл бұрын

Is VCARVE PRO Program compatible to use with this machine? thanks in advanced.

@eladsinay6914 8 ай бұрын

Is it normal to have that much shaking of the whole machine ? And can that have something to do with quality of cuts?

@hughessay1372 Жыл бұрын

Great review as always, but you could have just cut out the corners instead of milling away all of the excess material.

@AuroraTech Жыл бұрын

Yes, I was trying to do that on my first attempt. However, the shape of the second Y plate I used was quite different from the stock one, so I had to mill away much more material.

@copernicus633 8 ай бұрын

She refers to lead screws. Are these not ball screws?

@yeroca Жыл бұрын

Interesting review! Well done. I'm curious... isn't it normal to use some sort of cutting fluid when milling metal? That would increase the cutting rate, and make the mill end last longer.

@AuroraTech Жыл бұрын

Yes, it would be better with fluid or coolant, but since I usually cut at a slower feed rate (200-300mm/m) and a 0.5mm step down on this kind of desktop machine, I prefer not to deal with the mess on a hybrid MDF and T-slot bed, the Makita router actually moving a lot of air and give the endmill "air cool". But I will use coolant when cutting with my 6090-steel structure machine with a 2.2kw spindle at a more aggressive speed at 500-800mm/m with 1mm step down.

@leaftye Жыл бұрын

@@AuroraTechcheck out mist cooling.

@yeroca Жыл бұрын

@@AuroraTech ah, I hadn't thought about the MDF bed issue. Good point.! Thanks for the info. Edit: I just realized I wrote "mill end" instead of "end mill".

@MrDaneis Жыл бұрын

I wish I had the room

@aberodriguez4149 Жыл бұрын

Great review as always but I'm working on moving to a bigger garage. XD

@BleuCollarFndryMTL Жыл бұрын

Great job and narrative

@bohun2012 Жыл бұрын

Professional review! :) Do you plan to review a new Genmitsu 3030-PROver MAX ?

@AuroraTech Жыл бұрын

Yes, but my schedule is fully booked for 2023, so it may have to wait until early 2024.

@aaal123able 7 күн бұрын

4030v2 and 6050+ are about the same price. Which would you recommend?

@AuroraTech 5 күн бұрын

If you primarily work with wood, go for the 6050+. If you mainly work with metal, choose the 4030v2. Even with similar specifications, a smaller machine tends to be more rigid.