Auschwitz: Falsehoods claimed by Deniers. A WWII Myths show

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Auschwitz: Falsehoods claimed by Deniers - A WWII Myths show
With Alina Nowobilska
Part of our WWII Myths series of short shows
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In this show, Alina will debunk claims made by Holocaust Deniers that Auschwitz was not a Death Camp. The Holocaust was the greatest crime of the 20th Century and we examine the claims made by the despicable people who deny it. In tribute to the many millions killed by the Nazis, may they rest in peace - Never forget! Auschwitz was a site of mass murder and we must always remember the vile murders that happened.
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Alina Nowobilska is a historian of Poland in WW2, Specialising in Poles in Auschwitz, and the Warsaw Uprising. She is a Co-founder of History Hack and can be seen in latest series of "WORLD WAR II: SECRETS FROM ABOVE".
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@bobleicht5295
@bobleicht5295 10 ай бұрын
When we took our ETO veteran father back to re-trace his unit’s path across Europe, the last stop was the camp his unit - the 11th U.S. Armored Div - liberated on 5 May 45. As a witness to Mauthausen, he wanted to see it again; a grim tour, to be sure, but we are very, very glad to have seen it ourselves. Ike was prescient in ordering GI’s to witness the camps in their area of operations , ‘cuz he predicted the deniers.
@jonathanbrown7250
@jonathanbrown7250 10 ай бұрын
Immediately, the Germans didn't exactly deny something happened, but were saying stuff like "It was all being overblown" "It wasn't that bad" etc. So Ike knew pretty early what would happen if he didn't create a record. And create a record so overwhelming only a moron could deny it Ike did. Kudos to Eisenhower's forward thinking.
@Bigtooth-Forest
@Bigtooth-Forest 10 ай бұрын
My Grandfather liberated camps in the Landsberg area, (Kaufring) on April 27, 1945 with the 714th TB, 12thAD. He told me stories personally, of which some of the things he described are photographed in the book "From Bloody Herrlisheim to a Slave Labor Camp" by James E. Mushell.
@chucks4328
@chucks4328 10 ай бұрын
My father was there as well. He never talked about it much but what he did say was horrible. The only time he did talk was when we were looking through his scrapbook and looking at pictures he personally took. They clearly show the camps and gas chambers. Most of all they show the aftermath.
@Jack-hy1zq
@Jack-hy1zq 10 ай бұрын
I visited my relatives in England recently only to find that my brother is a Holocaust Denier. I literally told him to never talk to me about it again. He agreed *then continued to talk about it*!! He has fallen down so many rabbit holes that it has become clear he has lost touch with reality. I left and will never return.
@jonathanbrown7250
@jonathanbrown7250 10 ай бұрын
True conspiracy theorists tend to be people who don't feel important, but want to. A quick work-free way is to "know" things other people aren't smart enough to know, but you know, so you're special.
@wooisdebaanhoof
@wooisdebaanhoof 9 ай бұрын
​@@jonathanbrown7250the worst thing of all is that they are allowed to vote and have children.
@brbear54
@brbear54 10 ай бұрын
The scariest movie I have ever seen was the Wannsee Conference. A group of unremarkable bureaucrats sitting around playing with a dog eating cheese sandwiches and discussing how to make the trains profitable while they send millions to their death. That's why it was frightening because the people weren't scary. True evil hides behind the mask of normal.
@iangascoigne8231
@iangascoigne8231 10 ай бұрын
True. By all accounts Rudolf Hoess the commandant of Auschwitz was a nice man who loved his children. What it shows is ordinary people in the right circumstances are capable of doing terrible things, which means there’s always the possibility of something like this happening again.
@brbear54
@brbear54 10 ай бұрын
If all you knew about Adolph was from his home movies, you'd think. "Hey he ain't a bad guy. He likes to entertain, have kids around and play with his dog." But I think it might be an incomplete picture of the man.@@iangascoigne8231
@barryj388
@barryj388 10 ай бұрын
One thing I always remember is one of the lawyers who participated in the trials said it should be remembered that not one of those put on trial tried to use "it didn't happen" as a defence. I wonder why?
@JacobNeff-oq5km
@JacobNeff-oq5km 7 ай бұрын
Except they did. On the other hand, let's not forget the prosecutor who snapped at a witness for bringing along his very much alive "murdered" brother.
@dbolt6543
@dbolt6543 10 ай бұрын
I toured Auschwitz and Birkenstock about 10 years ago. Anyone who doubts what these camps did is totally brain dead. The part that hit me the hardest as a Canadian were the two storage area which the inmates called Canada 1 an Canada 2 (or Kanada 1 and Kanada 2) because they thought of Canada as the country that had everything. This is after one of our Cabinet Minister who spoke in favour of sending the SS St. Louis and 700 Jews back to Europe, and death, by saying "I don't want any of these people coming into our country." Totally disgraceful.
@dennisyoung4631
@dennisyoung4631 10 ай бұрын
Birkenau - or in fiction, *Berky.*
@rb239rtr
@rb239rtr 10 ай бұрын
the majority of the western world, Canada included, men and women, janitors, housewives, teachers, educated people were antisemetic, from mildly antisemetic to majorly antisemetic. Also anti chinese, black, ...
@pete1942
@pete1942 10 ай бұрын
My father in-law was a concentration camp survivor. A Polish catholic and a teenager at the time. He said that in his camp they used to pile up the dead in a big mound, as much historical photographic evidence shows. He also said what the photos don’t tell you is that faint moaning could be heard from within the pile as the near dead slowly suffocated under the weight of the bodies.
@iangascoigne8231
@iangascoigne8231 10 ай бұрын
⁠@@emerycandy326You forgot Gypsies, communists, gay people.
@emerycandy326
@emerycandy326 10 ай бұрын
@@iangascoigne8231 Gypsies count as gentiles. Commuinsts and gays could've been Jews or gentiles. Regardless the holocaust was a dark chapter we must not depubunk or forget. And if any Jewish folks are reading this I am saying all Jews are Commuinsts I am just saying there have been reformed Jews who were. Not that excuses antisemitism, pogroms, the holocaust and recent hate crimes.
@emerycandy326
@emerycandy326 10 ай бұрын
This damn thing won't edit my reply. I ment to say not all Jews are Commuinsts. If I am mistaken Trotsky, Julis , and Ethel Rosenberg were reformed Jews who joined the Commuinst party however that is still no excuse for the holocaust, pogroms and more recent hate crimes.
@emerycandy326
@emerycandy326 10 ай бұрын
Ps most of the Jewish people I have known over the years are capitalists and fine people. And yes I know not capitalists are exactly fine people. I'm glad I'm not running for public office. Nobody gives anybody a chance to correct their typos or slips of the tongue out there and even when you agree with people they're still angry with you.
@1089maul
@1089maul 10 ай бұрын
Woody/Alina. Thank you for an enlightening and interesting presentation. I am at a loss as to why there are deniers! Alina, thanks for your passion this. People like you help keep the memory and an awful fact going. Thanks to you both. Bob
@JustMe00257
@JustMe00257 10 ай бұрын
Great idea to tackle this issue and great presentation. There will probably always be deniers. After all, in this day and age, we see numerous people who still believe in flat earth... They're beyond salvation, I'm afraid.
@nanshan8950
@nanshan8950 10 ай бұрын
I was watching Schindler's List when my Thai wife came in about halfway through. Her shocked reaction was "they shouldn't make stuff like this. I know it's science fiction and on another planet but this is just disgusting." I explained, to her astonishment, that it was real and really happened. When we got to the end, she told me to restart it so she could watch again from the beginning. She's a lawyer and well educated but had never heard of this before and just couldn't imagine it actually happening, bless her! There must be billions around the world in the same position so it's really important for historians like Alina to keep up the good work constantly and never give deniers a foothold.
@iangascoigne8231
@iangascoigne8231 10 ай бұрын
Wow what did she learn at school?
@nanshan8950
@nanshan8950 10 ай бұрын
Thai Kings and wars with the Burmese. No modern history at all in those days and not much today. It's the same in many parts of the world.
@lllordllloyd
@lllordllloyd 10 ай бұрын
I loved this and LOVED Alina's presentation. I can recommend the book 'Telling Lies About Hitler', which is a summary of the evidence used to defend journalist Deborah Lipstadt who was sued by 'historian' David Irving, after she called him a Holocaust denier. The book is a forensic analysis of the evidence Irving uses and how he (mis)uses it. Indeed, he often makes shit up. Of course, deniers and conspiracy theorists are rarely in good faith, they actually suffer a psychological illness in my opinion. Extra note: Auschwitz was part of a massive industrial facility. It was an extermination camp, but it was also part of a newly-built production area built beyond the range of Allied bombers.
@KPW2137
@KPW2137 10 ай бұрын
This is a VERY important episode on a topic that we can't be silent about.
@georgecooksey8216
@georgecooksey8216 2 ай бұрын
Fantastic presentation and discussion. Thank you Paul and Alina. How can you not be emotional? Even today removed 85 years from these horrors - from this evil - I feel nothing but blind rage - and a profound sorrow.
@debbiestyer453
@debbiestyer453 10 ай бұрын
Never forget.... continue to educate. Thank you. Love Alina's honesty and language...you go girl.
@stevej8005
@stevej8005 3 күн бұрын
Thank you for giving Alina the opportunity to give such an impassioned, vehement and knowledgeable criticism of the deniers.
@cyndiebill6631
@cyndiebill6631 10 ай бұрын
Only an idiot would deny the holocaust. It’s so sad with all the information and proof that it happened there are still people in this world that still believe it didn’t.😢 Another amazing woman historian who truly knows her stuff. Thank you.👍😊
@salt27dogg
@salt27dogg 9 ай бұрын
That’s fine but I do believe Holocaust denial is fueled by push back because laws in Europe forbid a person to deny it . Anti free speech laws cause people to deny even facts that ur not allowed to question . Sorry but that’s how l feel
@UngaBunga-nr7sb
@UngaBunga-nr7sb 8 ай бұрын
Only an idiot would believe work camps struck by typhus are death camps. Germany desperately short of fuel fighting a war on 2 fronts, yet they choose to cremate bodies wasting precious coal that could be converted to oil. Go and think about it, or stand infront of a mirror, then mocking an idiot. "To condemn without investigation, is the height os stupidity"..A. Einstein
@JacobNeff-oq5km
@JacobNeff-oq5km 7 ай бұрын
Maximum of 3.5 million under their control and about 3 million "survivors." I guess your definition of idiot is "can pass second grade math."
@jonathanbrown7250
@jonathanbrown7250 10 ай бұрын
Thanks to Eisenhower and good German record keeping, this is literally the most documented crime in human history
@JacobNeff-oq5km
@JacobNeff-oq5km 7 ай бұрын
Eisenhower? Not a single historian still claims a single death camp outside of the soviet union.
@ssettlemire
@ssettlemire 10 ай бұрын
Brilliant show on a myth that should not have to be discussed. I am old enough to have met holocaust survivors, seen the tattoos on their arms.
@patrickgrove2645
@patrickgrove2645 10 ай бұрын
Thank you Paul and Alina. Sad to see there are people who deny the holocaust. We should do better so that people never forget.
@dennisyoung4631
@dennisyoung4631 10 ай бұрын
You do know why they deny this, don’t you? 1) they tend to believe in the ideals of A.H. “if you cannot mesh seamlessly and totally into the Nazi State, you need to be disposed of,” said the Gauleiter. 2) they want to finish the job their Idol A.H. started. See #1 above.
@therealuncleowen2588
@therealuncleowen2588 10 ай бұрын
This was such a horrible crime. It is mind blowing that anyone would deny it.
@Johnc259
@Johnc259 10 ай бұрын
My personal way of dealing with deniers can’t be printed on your channel. They are bullies and uneducated morons. Be safe. Thank you sir for your efforts to educate. Peace 🎉🎉🎉
@nicklehuray526
@nicklehuray526 10 ай бұрын
Well explained reasons why not to believe the deniers and where they get their weird ideas from. Top work both.
@caryblack5985
@caryblack5985 10 ай бұрын
To all the people who were upset by her language she has given two talks on Auschwitz on the topic prior to this. The there is no bad language and it is a factual discussion regarding the mass murders. You can find them by searching her name in youtube. She is passionate about holocaust deniers because it is offensive to anyone with an ounce of compassion. That said look up her previous talks.
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 10 ай бұрын
I was really surprised by the people offended
@Areyoutalkingtome-q1s
@Areyoutalkingtome-q1s 10 ай бұрын
Profanity is the domain of the ignorant and the ad hominem.
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 10 ай бұрын
She said shit a few times. It's no big deal
@matseriksson3262
@matseriksson3262 10 ай бұрын
I was not offended and I don't deny what happend but I just think that having a good language when speaking to people is a good idea. But thats me.
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 10 ай бұрын
Okay thanks
@sheilahall9814
@sheilahall9814 10 ай бұрын
In the live chats I saw comments about how she shouldn't swear. However, sometimes a swear word is the most accurate word to use.
@jefsantamonica641
@jefsantamonica641 10 ай бұрын
I had no problem with her language at all. The deniers are enraging.
@sheilahall9814
@sheilahall9814 10 ай бұрын
@@jefsantamonica641 Yes they are. I don't have the patience for them.
@jimplummer4879
@jimplummer4879 10 ай бұрын
I with you all. It gets my blood boiling as well.
@jonathanmarsh5955
@jonathanmarsh5955 10 ай бұрын
How do you NOT swear when you are trying to deal with both these atrocities and their evil deniers?
@PalleRasmussen
@PalleRasmussen 10 ай бұрын
Indeed. They can GFT​@@jonathanmarsh5955
@willierobertson862
@willierobertson862 10 ай бұрын
Alina is passionate about this subject. I could listen to her rant on all day.
@gerokron3412
@gerokron3412 10 ай бұрын
Great spirit, Lady. I mustn´t forget to be passionate when I have to debate this topic next time. Cheers!
@ivanconnolly7332
@ivanconnolly7332 10 ай бұрын
More detail in deconstruction please.
@waynes.3380
@waynes.3380 10 ай бұрын
I meet a denier once, after he finished I asked him where people were,where did they go? Crickets.
@SlinkyTWF
@SlinkyTWF 10 ай бұрын
First time I've ever heard anyone pronounce Lodz correctly.
@garymiller_85
@garymiller_85 10 ай бұрын
Alina is a great guest, so engaging and gets her points across with the necessary bluntness that Holocaust deniers deserve. Get yourselves a drink the next time you guys meet up! You guys deserve it so much for the amount of public education you do. Please know it is appreciated.
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 10 ай бұрын
Thank you very much
@jimwalsh1958space
@jimwalsh1958space 10 ай бұрын
@lau03143 you've put it exactly right well done good for you.
@davidshattock9522
@davidshattock9522 10 ай бұрын
See in later part of film the big red one liberated camp scene .
@dave3156
@dave3156 10 ай бұрын
Don't get this denier business at all. Too many of our soldiers liberated camps for this to be denied. BS. Excellent Woody thanks!!
@mdog111
@mdog111 9 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 9 ай бұрын
Cheers
@Luwinkle
@Luwinkle 10 ай бұрын
I got a co-worker whose grandparents and father were supposed to go to Auschwitz but were sent to another camp as the train stop was too busy/backed up.
@NyPer920
@NyPer920 10 ай бұрын
I have read several books on the Holocaust written by a Prof Gilbert of Cambridge University. He describes some absolutely horrific events.
@johnlucas8479
@johnlucas8479 10 ай бұрын
great presentation can never understand the Deniers position when you look at the evidence especially the pictures of the camps that were liberated. Alina is excellent and very passionate on the subject
@patrickschellen737
@patrickschellen737 2 ай бұрын
Because it's mentioned here, I had a look at the Cole "documentary". Curious how bad it would be, I just can't imagine how you deny this. I couldn't take more than 20 minutes of it. What an insufferable obnoxious person. Whining on and on about insignificant details and harassing his guide who clearly had enough of him. So respect to Alina for getting through that just to prepare for this talk. And of course for presenting the arguments against the revisionist garbage.
@jonathanbrown7250
@jonathanbrown7250 10 ай бұрын
you should bring her back for a part 2 That 26 minutes flew. And i got the definite feeling that she has a lot more to talk about
@alinanowobilska4248
@alinanowobilska4248 10 ай бұрын
Thank you ❤ I have inspired a few people with this so a new project has arisen from my rant.
@jonathanbrown7250
@jonathanbrown7250 10 ай бұрын
@@alinanowobilska4248 Thanks for the reply. I went and subscribed and look forward to your future work. Hopefully, this channel will do a deep-dive video with you on this topic. Btw, I say leave stale history to the stale history teachers. I like mine with some realism and spice.
@jabbalechat7910
@jabbalechat7910 10 ай бұрын
Good piece, thanks... 👍👏😻
@mammuchan8923
@mammuchan8923 10 ай бұрын
A historian specialising in the Holocaust that was to deal with Holocaust deniers must be me of the most frustrating positions. Swearing is a fair way of dealing with this. If I were Alina I would probably be swearing a lot more. This is much less important but I swore a lot out of frustration at the anti-vaxxers
@colinellis5243
@colinellis5243 10 ай бұрын
Woody and Magali you have done an excellent analysis dispelling the disgusting "myths" a.k.a. revolting lies of the sickening holocaust deniers. That historians of both your excellent standing still need to spend your valuable time dispelling these deniers blatant lies sickens me to the stomach. Great job but I pray for a time when we no longer need to deal with these sickening lies. Great job!
@davidsabillon5182
@davidsabillon5182 10 ай бұрын
Personally I don't think it's a good idea to debate someone about the Holocaust. The reason, is it gives a false sense that there's something to debate in the first place.
@JacobNeff-oq5km
@JacobNeff-oq5km 7 ай бұрын
"We can't defend our position; that would legitimize our critics!" And you wonder why nobody with enough brain cells to rub together takes your religion seriously.
@matttippo8325
@matttippo8325 10 ай бұрын
You keep it real. Understanding that is your very real gift to me. I am hard to explain any things math. Now I understand that numbers change naturally. I think that you kept your cool.👍
@jimplummer4879
@jimplummer4879 10 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas Paul.
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 10 ай бұрын
Happy holidays! Thank you
@brunozeigerts6379
@brunozeigerts6379 10 ай бұрын
l remember that some time ago, there was a controversy about Nazis wanting to march through Skokie, Indiana. The community was composed mostly of concentration camp survivors... and the Nazis wanted to parade though with swastikas, yelling, 'You belong in ovens.' Don't know which is worse... the people who deny it or the ones who wish Hitler had finished the job. Maybe the big question is... is there any real difference? Do deniers believe their own nonsense... or do they just want us to believe it? I did argue with a Holocaust survivor... he seemed to seriously think it was faked.
@Ryanboy2020
@Ryanboy2020 10 ай бұрын
How can people deny the holocaust when the nazis themselves proudly exclaim they did this? We have the minutes from Wansee, we have the deportation lists, we have SS records of why and how they deportations and "special treatment" were to be conducted, we have the architectural drawings of all the death camps with the gas chambers and crematoriums listed, we have countless of eye witnesses and people who survived the camps and finally we have the camps themselves. Of course the number of people murdered is going to change over the years. We didnt have access to many of these records until the early 90's after the fall of the soviet union. It boggles my mind that people dont believe the holocaust took place. Perhaps they think human beings could never do that to each other, hogwash. Most of the camp guards and camp staff were sadists and psychopaths. In addition, when you give someone the power over life and death of another and are told these people are vermin and subhuman, you can do the unthinkable and the monstrous. Great show Woody, although, this subject should be given a larger segment in the future.
@FlailingJunk
@FlailingJunk 10 ай бұрын
Where can I see those architectural drawings?
@Ryanboy2020
@Ryanboy2020 10 ай бұрын
@@FlailingJunk Try Google, or go to the archives.
@FlailingJunk
@FlailingJunk 10 ай бұрын
@On-Our-Radar-24News search engines are garbage these days I am going to need more than that.
@bluemarlin8138
@bluemarlin8138 10 ай бұрын
Never underestimate the power of conspiracy theories, or the ability of people to engage in amazing mental gymnastics to avoid admitting they’re wrong, no matter what sort of evidence they’re shown. Just look at Q-anon, the moon landing deniers, the flat earth believers, the 9/11 “truthers,” and now, the people who deny that 10/7/23 happened.
@davidshattock9522
@davidshattock9522 10 ай бұрын
Military intelligence used to dictate that the most reliable .information is that which is obtained from many different sources patchwork fashion is a theory that was offered to me
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 10 ай бұрын
Meaning what in this context?
@seegurke93
@seegurke93 10 ай бұрын
Oh wow. Its just like Paul said. Look at the like- dislike ratio. I think its a combination of people that dont like women and those that just deny history. Because the presentation was superb! Grüße
@seegurke93
@seegurke93 10 ай бұрын
Haha Paul, you liked the comment at 2 am. You seem to never sleep :P
@CardboardCockney
@CardboardCockney 10 ай бұрын
That’s a bit immature to resort to petty misogyny accusations or to accuse people of being deniers. In my view there are more appropriate and better ways to destroy a deniers argument than resorting to the language and terminology that Alina dropped to this time. She is clearly articulate and knows her subject, I have listened to her before, but I felt that this time her delivery could/should have been better.
@KartarNighthawk
@KartarNighthawk 10 ай бұрын
You can hear the misogyny in the whining about language. Lots of the male historians who've been brought on have cussed. None of them have gotten this much complaining.
@CardboardCockney
@CardboardCockney 10 ай бұрын
@@KartarNighthawk Really? Would you care to point out the comments where you claim to be able to ‘hear the misogyny in the whining’? Because if that was true I am pretty sure that Woody would have pulled the authors up for it. Can you not just disagree with someone’s opinion without making unsubstantiated accusations?
@martinjohnson5498
@martinjohnson5498 10 ай бұрын
I forget who, but a long-time holocaust denier changed his position when asked to explain what happened to all those Jews who were there, in Europe, in 1939, and were gone in 1945. After all the detailed nit-piking he had been doing, he realized that he had no answer to that basic question and admitted there had to have ben a huge genocide and all his questioning was about the means by which it was done, not the reality that it happened.
@larsduelund
@larsduelund 10 ай бұрын
This was a great show and unfortunately necessary show. Here I think the short format is good as I can be used as a fist line of defense against holocaust denial. And as analytical Chemist I was also pist about any one testing for zyklon b in the buildings after 40 years. But that's probably a minor problem here.
@MrKarnevel9
@MrKarnevel9 10 ай бұрын
Can I also add to this narrative to the statement that Cromwell made to the Church of Scotland on 3rd August 1650 ‘’ I beseech you in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken’’.
@bruceday6799
@bruceday6799 10 ай бұрын
To argue with a fool you must lower yourself to their level...
@emerycandy326
@emerycandy326 10 ай бұрын
I 'm greatful for this channel. It's good to know there are still people who are debunking Fascist revisionists. I am disgusted with my Quoura account. I have tried to delete and having trouble. Most of the people on that sight are very naive about the Axis leaders role in WW2. I tried to convince them of how evil the Axis leaders were and why they had to be stopped and they still don't get it. I almost losing hope for the future and survival of Democracy until I found this channel.
@mightymuzrub
@mightymuzrub 8 ай бұрын
episodes like this are fantastic, but you guys handle the history terrible. Speak the truth and calm the emotions.
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 8 ай бұрын
It's hard to not get emotional talking about the Holocaust
@PaulScott_
@PaulScott_ 10 ай бұрын
Just caught the last few minutes and will have to watch it all, after I watch Mags. I just wanted to say that sometimes there is just no winning the argument. I used to do Military aircraft accident investigation and there were pilots who would not believe our conclusions. I worked with 120+ brilliant people, many many Phd's and we could show these questioning pilots the evidence down to the level of an electron microscope and they would still not agree with our results/conclusions. They had come to their conlusions based on talk, gossip, their gut feel but without ever looking at the evidence in any way, shape or form. You just have to walk away and let them live in their Alice in Wonderland dream world!
@NickGodwin
@NickGodwin 10 ай бұрын
Three Minutes - A Lengthening is a documentary about the disappeared village of Nasielsk, Poland. It's on BBC iPlayer right now. Recommended.
@MrKarnevel9
@MrKarnevel9 10 ай бұрын
Well argued!
@andymoody8363
@andymoody8363 10 ай бұрын
Typically brilliant from Alina, well done Princess!
@ivanconnolly7332
@ivanconnolly7332 10 ай бұрын
Great to hear denialist arguments deconstructed.
@zebradun7407
@zebradun7407 10 ай бұрын
My dad was in Germany end of the war even the Germans knew and there was evidence.
@WWII-Skipabeat
@WWII-Skipabeat 10 ай бұрын
Not my favourite episode, did find the vocab irritating and distracted from the pertinent question: how do you deal with holocaust deniers? I think indirectly, by ensuring that its reality, horrors and scale continue to be communicated and new generations are educated about it and as a result are equipped to deal with deniers. Richard Dimbleby's description of Belsen for the BBC in 1945 (available on youtube) remains powerful, evocative, and impactful - and without any scatological references (!).
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 10 ай бұрын
Everyone has a different style. If all historians spoke and sounded the same we would get bored very quickly
@alinanowobilska4248
@alinanowobilska4248 10 ай бұрын
Clearly, you have never ever been targeted by Holocaust deniers or had people stalk you because you try to educate others about the Holocaust. I have had such severe abuse, and every time, I've tried to respond, it was pointless, I was met with abuse and threats of violence against me and my friends. Your views are very naive and I hope that you never have to deal with these sorts of people.
@effbee56
@effbee56 9 ай бұрын
A good estimate would be to compare pre WW2 census figures of the Jewish population of Naxi occupied European with pist- war figures. This could also be applied to Romany population figures in Romania prevand post war. I belive the majority of Jews from mainland Europe with the exception of parts of Russia, were exterminated. But we should not forget the Armenian and Assyrian genocides. The Highland clearances were possibly also a mostly successful attempt to deal with pesky Highlanders. The fate of pesky native Americans should also be remembered.. Leat we forget!
@joep5321
@joep5321 9 ай бұрын
Many comments already regarding the language. Personally, I believe her position would be more compelling by disseminating her information in a more professional manner. I wasn’t offended, as she did not use God’s name in vain. But, as an observation here in the United States, I find it interesting that some are offended by improper use of pronouns, political views, etc. At the same time, this country in many ways has become numb to vulgar language in the presence of children at public events, athletic stadiums and concerts.
@jazzkazz
@jazzkazz 10 ай бұрын
Thank you Alina - brilliant!
@JFB-Haninge
@JFB-Haninge 10 ай бұрын
👍👍👍👍👍
@BoBoZoBo
@BoBoZoBo 10 ай бұрын
Not really a big fan of the guest speaker. Some really great information but the ranting, the tangents, and over the top sarcasm just don't work in this particular discussion. It doesn't do the subject Justice and it's very difficult to follow. No doubt that the denials are frustrating and worthy of ridicule, but spending so much time calling them fucking assholes and fucking idiots just takes away from the time and words that could be used to educate. Emotional pejorative ranting, as justified is it may be just seems unprofessional and takes away from credibility. Otherwise fantastic information and another great video on the subject. Best world war II History channel
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 10 ай бұрын
That's your right, we all have people we like and dislike
@BoBoZoBo
@BoBoZoBo 10 ай бұрын
@@WW2TV It is not personal towards her, just the style. We all know denialists are assholes and I am certainly not above dropping and F bomb every two seconds in candid passionate discussions, but for some reason the tangential ranting just made it more difficult to follow in this particular discussion and took away from getting the actual lesson. Not a huge fan of pejoratives in this type of format, just shown lack of control and security and panders to the level of the idiots. With that being said, I discovered your channel about 2 months ago and have been inhaling every single one of your videos. I truly appreciate them in a sea of questionable online content. You certainly know your stuff, and have fantastic guests. My father was in the Pacific theater in WW2 and I served as well after. The last summer I took the kids to France to see the landing zones. Thank you for preserving the history. Keep it up.
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 10 ай бұрын
You're welcome
@stevenhaas9622
@stevenhaas9622 10 ай бұрын
Imagine denying events that the perpetrators themselves extensively documented and bragged about.
@thomaslockard9686
@thomaslockard9686 10 ай бұрын
Alina has the passion of youth.😀
@michaelc1148
@michaelc1148 10 ай бұрын
My great grandparents (mother’s father’s) were murdered, by firing squad (or possibly gassed) at maly trostenets in August of 1942. My grandfather was already in a Swiss Refugee camp by then, that’s the only reason I exist. I don’t know what to say to deniers, I just don’t.
@chuckyxii10
@chuckyxii10 10 ай бұрын
A big problem is that a lot of people around the world simply aren't taught much history at all, let alone European history. As the world becomes more connected to the internet it becomes easier to encounter people who are genuinely ignorant, if they run into a denier first that is what they will believe. It also does not help that certain religious fundamentalist groups are going around saying it is a hoax, and there are over a billion followers of said religion around the world.
@CardboardCockney
@CardboardCockney 10 ай бұрын
Not the best show Woody. I like Alina having heard her eloquently and passionately describe things on this subject before. I can’t help feeling that this time the delivery would have more impact if she took her time and dissected the arguments rather than using throwaway lines. The deniers are stupid and resorting to base insults and terminology only reduces these crimes to their level. Just my view.
@2frogland
@2frogland 10 ай бұрын
i share your disgust , what was done to the jews and numerous other groupd has allways moved me with the sheer horror of what was done ,seen the perpetrators in several docs explain what was done and excuse their own role but not seeming to actually think it was wrong, denial and anti semitism and excuses by those that should know better are on the rise as seen not least in london and the 3 university leaders in congress last week
@mofomartianp
@mofomartianp 10 ай бұрын
Perhaps the current global rise in anti-Semitism is related to Israel bombing hospitals and churches in Gaza?
@liamhickey359
@liamhickey359 10 ай бұрын
Butlins?
@budwyzer77
@budwyzer77 10 ай бұрын
19:50 Holocaust deniers can't spell "chimney".
@seanmacailin
@seanmacailin 10 ай бұрын
A good historian can present a cogent argument without the amount of profanities that this historian is doing! Very disappointing!
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 10 ай бұрын
Oh well, never fucking mind eh
@iangascoigne8231
@iangascoigne8231 10 ай бұрын
The horse grooming probably comes about because Auschwitz started out as a Polish Military barracks.
@alinanowobilska4248
@alinanowobilska4248 10 ай бұрын
Clearly, I am a shitty historian, cheers 😘
@benchapple1583
@benchapple1583 10 ай бұрын
That was one of the most unconvincing videos I've ever seen. I had no opinion about the concentration camps and death camps that undoubtedly existed during WW2. Now that I have heard both of you talking about 'deniers', which is an ad hominem argument, and make circular emotive arguments, I now have a seed of doubt about the narrative where none stood before. If it is your purpose to debunk other people's opinions then you need to do so with facts. Claiming 'he wasn't even a scientist' (and neither are you, is the first thought to go through my mind) does not in anyway change the chemical properties of cement and cyanide. This is an appeal to nebulous authority- which we've all seen with Covid and climate change. It causes doubt, doubt of you. It's counter productive. Settled history is as unlikely as settled science. Worse! Your advice to 'block people' and 'just don't engage' sounds like religious extremism. This is exactly what the feminists do. Surely you're better than this. You'll do whatever you like but my suggestion is that you remake this video, calmly and without emotion to tackle the things you disagree with using data and logic. To do otherwise will spread doubt, something I now have due to you.
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 10 ай бұрын
You have a seed of doubt about the Holocaust. Wow Oh and I may be male but I am a feminist
@KartarNighthawk
@KartarNighthawk 10 ай бұрын
​@@WW2TVHe has more than a seed, methinks. No one other than a denier whines about the unfairness of blocking deniers.
@CardboardCockney
@CardboardCockney 10 ай бұрын
What a strange verbose ramble.
@jonathanbrown7250
@jonathanbrown7250 10 ай бұрын
'It's hard to win an argument with a smart person. It's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person. -- 'Bill Murray
@lukeueda-sarson6732
@lukeueda-sarson6732 10 ай бұрын
Woody: "mouth breather" should not be a term of abuse. I breathe through my mouth - my nasal passages are constricted. How did this become a derogatory term?
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 10 ай бұрын
Okay, sorry. I won't use it again
@dallashayes8656
@dallashayes8656 10 ай бұрын
You do know that American universities teach these myths as truth.
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 10 ай бұрын
Which university teaches that the Holocaust didn't happen?
@georgecooksey8216
@georgecooksey8216 2 ай бұрын
Nonsense.
@HvH909
@HvH909 2 ай бұрын
@@WW2TVcheck any antisemitic professor in any university.
@jamesstewart553
@jamesstewart553 10 ай бұрын
Sadly an all too brief presentation. Alina I can forgive you for the swearwords, Holocaust Deniers just make the blood boil, David Cole, you missed one important point he was born an Ass***e and then just naturally grew into a bigger one. ( And he has the most annoying sarcastic superior voice, he now plays himself as being a victim - for free speech). What Cole and Holocaust Deniers do not recognise is that "Free Speech" comes with a price - that of responsibility and integrity, which they totally lack. Holocaust Deniers start with a conclusion ( that there was no genocide) and then work backward to justify their already reached conclusions ( if this makes sense) so in terms of decent historical and evidence-based research their "work" produced by "their experts" is quite worthless. I first encountered Holocaust Denial on a "Free Speech Forum" - I was taken aback by the claims and the aggressive antisemitism and racism that was just thrown at one. The majority of the deniers were American mostly High School students or university students who saw themselves as being " intellectuals" and well-educated, one guy stood out he was Irish from Dublin , intelligent, and articulate but a total hardcore Holocaust Denier. I found them hard to deal with but I found I could grind them down refusing to accept that they had a point, in their "debating minds" they assumed that I should accept that they presented "facts" that "mainstream historians" could not deal with. As Deborah Lipstadt said not all opinions are equal. ( This bugged them and they considered me to be both illiteral and poorly educated, this delighted me.) The sad thing for the Holocaust Denial fraternity was that when Irving lost his libel action and saw Leuchter again trashed for the rubbish he had written, he sought an appeal, and the grounds for it was "New Evidence" "The Rudolf Report". Well, David Irving was granted his appeal and the defense at some expense paid for research to be done to refute Germar Rudolf's "Report" long held by Holocaust Deniers to be beyond refute, so David Irving would get another day in Court this time hiring a QC to represent him. On the day, faced with a rebuttal ( which he would already have had under terms of discovery) Irving without warning withdrew all his evidence saving Rudolf's "Report" from being torn asunder. This confirmed the true value of Holocaust Denial as a serious challenge to good historians, the Coles, Faurissions, Leuchters, Zundels, Smiths, Lady Renoufs, etc simply have no viable evidence which is worth considering. The common lies presented in the presentation have been completely debunked and exposed for the lies that they are they can only catch those who are naive about the Holocaust and history, honey traps for the uneducated. Alina missed one other well-known Holocaust DEnier who went to Auschwitz "Dr. Fredderick Toben" an Australian who ran grandly sounding "The Adelaide Institute" from his front room. He made a video about Auschwitz which like Coles was utterly bereft of any facts other than that Jews were imprisoned in Auschwitz - after this, he was in cloud cuckoo land, parading soundbites as proof. ( Holocaust Deniers love soundbites and seemingly fine details which they hold up as "truth"). Meeting Holocaust Denial made me do one thing learn more about it from good solid historians eg Ian Kershaw Richard Evans, Jan Van Pelt, Peter Longerich etc . Thankfully Holocaust Denial has largely been removed from the internet - eg KZbin has removed ( and not before time) much of this type of content- I for one would totally agree - do not engage with them, they have no interest in historical facts and have no respect for the dead. Alien I wish you had not mentioned Cole - I can hear his whining nasal voice in my head ......... rectums serve a useful and necessary purpose , he does not.
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