Nerfs in Warhammer 40K + What Could be Hit in the Next Balance Pass?

[@madelyneation]

This just in: heavy nerfs to your army and buffs to all your friends armies.

[@Klierowski]

I'm playing codex marines and they play Nacrons/Chaos and orcs, so always op factions compared to mine, np.

[@Daemonik]

Q: "Does this apply even if we play the same army?" A: "Darn tootin' it does."

[@mk-ultraviolence1760]

Impossible, I play Deathwatch.

[@thelegendsmith3063]

Unlikely I play ravenguard grey knights and imperial agents. So technically somehow the bottom 3 safe as fk

[@niallskinner7800]

​@@thelegendsmith3063You must be new here

[@KrullMaestaren]

At least GW prices will not be nerfed

[@gotrek13]

Phew!

[@jayscott8583]

Nope they will get a buff

[@KrullMaestaren]

@@jayscott8583 exactly ;)

[@justanosprey6197]

Guard players use Solar not because he's overpowered, but because he does things crucial to the faction that no one else in the index can do. 125 points might seem generous, but remember that you need a command squad and a unit to lead in order to make him actually usable

[@bugmanzgaming9054]

Still, it's a cheap investment. Guard are the best combo army. You can do a lot of nasty things with just a handful of points. Solar might be the only one that does what he does on their codex, but that doesn't justify his low price. Going combo heavy SHOULD cost more. And a command squad is not necessary. Shove him behind a wall and use his auras indefinitely, that's how he is played.

[@jaimevilacastro4614]

​@@bugmanzgaming9054 Command Squad its necesary, you need 24" orders

[@mhbones475]

Ah yes, run the t4 8w 3+ 4++ Non-lone op critical model that melts to both ranged, and melee behind a ruin 6 inches from the front line, that's a great idea, lol.

[@weedee88]

​@bugmanzgaming9054 that's not how he's played

[@GrimlockXB]

Agree, you see this in armies with less options too, like Votann - everyone is taking X... nerf it. Whilst there is no other viable option.

[@otisred7848]

GW won't fix internal chaos knights balance by nerfing the karnivores. We also don't need points drops on the bigger knights either. We need better rules plain and simple

[@Try_Again_Bragg]

GW: We hear you on the points issue if Chaos Knights so we decided to bring the points down on the big Knights and raise the points on the Wardogs

[@christianreyes5912]

I would welcome Dark Pacts.

[@rizzington1]

Looks like they're just going to nerf titanics and drop the points drastically to sell more.

[@sangerzonnvolt6712]

Currently for the big knights to be viable, they need to cost less then 2 small knights, because having 2 small knights are just better then having a big knight.

[@Teh_Duck]

@@Try_Again_Bragg hold on now if the big knights and the smol knights cost the same then the big ones might see some play

[@MrHoneuma]

World Eaters are above 45%, so we'll probably get nerfed again because someone on the balance team very clearly has a vendetta.

[@FormerGovernmentHuman]

Seriously

[@stripeybag6977]

That's just Melee armies in general

[@myrddraalhalfmen9524]

That's a joke. WE is a faction that plays the same every game with almost every roster. It's very limited which is a nerf in itself

[@ninjapirate47]

Well we need to teach people that Khorne sucks someHOW!

[@ToddGrindle]

Let the salt flow!!!!!

[@Utahraptor777]

As a tyranids player, I just want warriors to be better and unending and assimilation swarm to be on par with vanguard and invasion. I ask for nothing else

[@EliteDarkAssassin]

I have 6 range warriors all painted up and pretty and they haven't been used all edition. Meanwhile my melee warriors see occasional play. I keep wondering what would want me to take ranged warriors. It's either +1 B/S or maybe 50 points for cheap synapse and objective holders. Outside of that, I don't think they'll see play

[@Kingmaster64]

It's also stupid that the carnifex package doesn't work in crusher

[@galling2052]

@@Kingmaster64 its dumb that carnifexes do not work outside of invasion and specifically only if ooe is leading them

[@Utahraptor777]

@ Yeah, crusher needs a buff desperately

[@galling2052]

@@Utahraptor777 crusher is miraciously playable atm. Though i would personally never toutch it, some Way more competent people than me make it work in tournaments. What i Think is in desperate need of love is assimilation.

[@SnowFoxWithAGasMask]

Gsc is an interesting case in balance. A finicky army that was really overturned at first, then sucked, and is now overtuned again. Normally I would be mad at GW for being so inconsistent but as a gsc player myself I can tell you that even when they are super strong they are super difficult to play, and even more so to balance. The learning curve of the faction probably makes the win rate even more deceptive, if some goofball like me took gsc to a tournament, they would lower the win rate but that’s most likely not an indicator of the factions true potential.

[@Arrestedrabbit]

It really is annoying getting yoyo'd like this. Whenever I play with them I always have a feeling that everything is just easier for my opponent to accomplish. Add the fact that we basically got one new meh single hero unit for likely the entire edition it really is just a bummer most of the time. I can't feel happy that we're winning because I know that means they're gonna violently rebuke us for the success of the biggest brains in the hobby.

[@FormerGovernmentHuman]

Alot of our armies are like that. Many times our winrates are quite literally decided by what group of pro players decided to run our list. Certain players should be banned from the winrate data just because they raise the winrate of whatever army list they run by 10-20% over a weekend. They are an outlier and really should be treated as such. Now if 15 randoms make it to the final rounds of a major tournament then maybe we are dealing with something OP but having all of our armies changed because a handful of great players swapped to our list for a weekend is fking ridiculous. Usually because the last list they ran is already nerfed.

[@brianhutton2370]

@@Arrestedrabbit it's balanced based on the ceiling, not the floor. So the best in faction guy going around smashing people every week is who they're effectively trying to nerf, not the dude who's playing beerhammer whos like man this is tough....

[@brianhutton2370]

That's not possible because you'd effectively be saying Competitive is no longer a thing. That would crush the game, and be bad for the health of the game (Yes i know their are hobbiests in the game, they still come on these video's and complain about rules and points because there's a halo affect of competitive, even if they never play) - competitive has to be balanced around the ceiling, not the floor. So regardless of excluding them from WR, if they still smashed in tournaments every weekend, you'd still have to nerf the army. It is actually a symptom of poor rule design when a very small group can play to an insanely high level but the majority can not.

[@aqz7603]

@@brianhutton2370 wh40k is different from other games in that the vast majority of players do not actually participate in competitive play, unlike say CS2 or OW2 where many players enjoy a competitive matchmaking. Most 40k players have not been to a tournament, and many that have only go to 1-2 tournaments. The difference between those players and the very active and very good players is massive in both activity and in skill and this is where you can see the data being skewed by those top players.

[@mpbros207]

15:29 take a shit everytime someone mentions lord Solar. This isn’t a one person thing. I just think a lot of people don’t know why he’s an auto take. He’s the only thing that can order abhuman and super heavy’s and everything in between. He’s the only one who can do that. That’s why he has to be everywhere

[@ItsMaybell1ne]

Genestealers got away with murder last patch. I only hope that we're still playable when the nerfs roll out.

[@crowanon3625]

Yeah, aberrants still feel massively overcosted compared to very similar damage/defense profiles like Votann Zerkers after the nerfs they got in the codex. Going from the index where we at least "could" put cult ambush returnee's back into deep strike via a strategic ploy, instead of the codex and token return forcing them to have to try and slog across the board for a couple of turns. It's still an army missing any really heavy weaponry (hence the prevalence of ridgerunners)

[@Ullari91]

Aquilons for sure getting a points bump. IMO i don't think they need their rules changed now with the change to when they can use that nasty 3" drop in. Hope is that marines get some real love instead of more of their usable units hit in the knees with the nerf bat.....

[@CatroiOz]

Bro for a second I thought you were talking about Aquillon terminators and I was like "what have they done to you ??" 😂

[@guerrillavanilla]

If they take away the 3" there is no reason for them to exist since they would just be weaker Scions. so that's definitely not going away, but they'll probably be 110 at least

[@AAw3s0m3]

To the surprise of no-one: 'Nids get blurfed again; top performing units get kicked in the balls but units that are nowhere near the meta given a slight buff so it's not actually an undeserved nerf guys!

[@Trinine9]

3:39 the problem with the Fire Prism is it’s the only hard hitting tank the eldar have so making it cost a ridiculous amount of points just removes it from the game as an option

[@Whoknows21356]

They aren’t even auto include. Eldar is at like 45% WR. It’s just easy to include eldar need a nerf just because it’s Eldar

[@Trinine9]

@ unfortunately true and there are many units in the eldar codex that really need buffs

[@quincykunz3481]

The main issue with GSC atm is that cult ambush makes our units very efficient, but in a way that cannot be planned for and doesn't feel fun. The cult player is encouraged to spend thier men recklessly because they can get them back, but they dont know which units they'll get back or how many or when or even where the enemy will leave open to put them. Cult ambush is a powerful enough rule that units that have it need to be more expensive, but it basically reads: "a random amount of your army might come back somewhere at some point." Mathematically it is busted, but strategically it encourages bum-rushing people and hoping for good rolls. High power, high RNG, high complexity due to making repeated positioning decisions on the fly. I miss 9th ed crossfire.

[@an0mali351]

Metoo

[@buttemountain]

Custodes have maintained a winrate of 45-49% for a while now. Not counting the outlier, the winrate at WCW was 45%. However, Folger Pyles won WCW so now we’re going to get knee capped

[@arbitrary_mike7833]

Blade champs, wardens, and venatari going up in costs. No other changes. Enjoy.

[@buttemountain]

@ pretty much what I expect lol

[@jeremiegartner464]

Maybe just have drakus go up as an ally.

[@arbitrary_mike7833]

@ that’s possible, but if they do that then it’s likely caladius also go up. Folger doomed us all.

[@blackarotthegreat8191]

GW: "How many times do I have to teach you this lesson, Gold Man!?!?"

[@siriponmongkolkunwat5937]

Fix unending​ swarm Make winged prime lead gaunts or turn the Enhancement​ into aura the enhancement works.

[@nerdythorn]

Points increase because people play them is a stupid reason to increase them

[@scolack123]

Its calles tryong to improve internal faction balance

[@joshy9140]

I assume they’ll hit Templars again, just because they can

[@VultureSausage]

Yep, can't wait for Helbrecht to go to 150 and Primaris Crusader Squads to 340 for 20.

[@TheRealSuldar]

@@VultureSausage Personally, a 20 man Space Marine squad is insane no matter how you look at it. Near impossible to kill and throwing in an Apothecary makes it even harder. They have a collective 40 wounds with saves on 3's, and Feel No Pain's in some cases too.

[@jimmysmith2249]

​@@TheRealSuldarI know. I want to fight one.

[@drunkenastarte5243]

@@TheRealSuldar Only half the squad have 3+ saves, since Neophytes are just the BT versions of Scouts/Initiate level Marines. I still miss my 14 man Plague Marine blob 😞

[@marauder340]

I heard they're increasing the points cost on ten Sword Brethren this time, but I think what the BT really need is to hike up the cost of the 20-man crusader squad again.

[@solvdrage1456]

Instructions unclear, +25 points to Reivers

[@quincykunz3481]

It would be dope if knights had a feudal infantry unit (something like cultists) that could be transported by a big knight. Maybe they even get auto-destroyed if they dont start inside a knight. That would give knights screening, oc, a profile that isn't a big vehicle, a good reason to take big knights, but keeps the focus on the big stompy robots. I know titans keep soldiers in thier feet for exactly these reasons, so it's already got some precedent in lore.

[@drunkenastarte5243]

Both Chaos & Imperial Knights are badly in need of this... Household Militia for a cheap screen unit, Men-at-Arms for a slightly sturdier objective holder. Also helps shift the army somewhat from being a pure 'stat-check' faction, which would make them more fun for opponents to play against too.

[@Paladin327]

Something that would be useful for that last 100 or so points that you have nothing that fits without adding allies

[@aqz7603]

In lore knights have men at arms. It would be very nice to round out knights while still maintaining its identity of a vehicle heavy faction, but not make it literally only vehicles. Even with other skew armies like custodes we still see more variety. Custodes has chaff in sisters, vehicles in the grav tanks and dreads, fast units in venatari and bikes, etc even if the core identity revolves around elite infantry.

[@effindave6909]

If deathshroud gets nerfed we are gonna need some buffs to the rest of the army. PBC's would be a really good start... 180 points for pathetic damage output and meh toughness is ridiculous. Plague Marines are solid but to really shine they need two characters which leads to them being pretty pricey.

[@drunkenastarte5243]

I'm honestly expecting us to get nerfed into the ground...

[@effindave6909]

@@drunkenastarte5243 Let's hope not.

[@mushwar5455]

The nightbringer does not deserve a point increase, it's played the most since it's the best in all aspects. The void dragon should get more attacks for it's ranged weapon to truly be the "anti tank" c'tan. The deceiver need an ability update and more attacks in order to reliably kill characters and be the "anti character" c'tan. The nightbringer needs to be be put into a folder as well, perhaps a change to tone down the STR and up the attacks in order to be the "anti infantry" c'tan. The transcendent C'tan should be the most expensive one and the most versatile one. Not holding my breath they'll take a look at the internal balance, sadly.. they'll probably up the nightbringer and call it a day. Necron warriors NEED to be cheaper, or reverse their reanimate change. Rerolls to either get 1 or 3 models back just don't cut it.

[@loopfruit2256]

I agree with the Warriors. Either give them a plus two to their Reanimation protocol or make them 150 points so they are interchangeable with Immortals.

[@coddaw]

I know GSC is expecting some nerfs, but if GW could buff broodbrothers that would be great, thanks

[@BoneTrait]

Honestly, for Necrons Lokhust Destroyers shouldn’t be able to be taken in squads of 1. For the heavies I think it’s fine currently, but 35 pts for a unit that can teleport around with Hypercrypt is just too good. If we’re fundamentally not okay with something like Nurglings doing that, the same should apply to Destroyers.

[@M0ZZYFM]

Starting playing again after 10 years, and after buying a whole army, they’re getting nerfed. It’s great to be back

[@Melatoniki]

They can't nerf me if I do not have an army

[@MarcosGarcia-et1qu]

Leave CSM alone or give us a slight buff please 🙏

[@emdeo]

Make Iron Hands Exist Again

[@Wybrand418]

Calas Typhon needs to brought back in line. Much like the lore.

[@Mamba8460]

I’m ready for the Master of Executions to get his inevitable points increase.

[@Spacefrisian]

I heard a Necron player say the C'tan are op, maybe that is getting a nerf. Dunno if needed i learned i should simply ignore them.

[@chrisv6517]

I wouldn't be opposed to something like requiring an overlord for each c'tan ran. Better than saying they're left unchecked, and limits your choice to 3 as well unless you wanna run 3 foot overlords and 3 translocation shrouds too

[@Spacefrisian]

@@chrisv6517 That would be lore friendly if iam not mistaken, the Necrontyr did enslave the C'tan after all.

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[@Spicyknigh7]

Please dont nerf the Admech! We have come so far! (From shit to okay)

[@Trinine9]

6:12 too far was making the wraithknight 510pts effectively removing it from the game

[@sambojinbojin-sam6550]

TSons Magnus: Extra points nerf. Don't give TSons Daemon Princes Deepstrike. Make a birdyboi detachment for Grotmas, because no-one wants it. Maybe add a few points here or there to stuff, so you have even less units. Don't do anything about the daemon problem. Never release a codex.

[@dawidkazmierczak7283]

They have to sell newly produced tzzangors somehow. And Magnus going up is a tradition at this point

[@drunkenastarte5243]

Sounds like 1kSons are getting a copy/paste of the planned World Eater changes, only with birdybois added on for that "finger lickin' good" flavour ;-)

[@user-zh8dr1qt1s]

Daemons are just not good enough to need nerfs

[@BigMan-cp4pi]

they currently sporting a 53% WR since the last dataslate, currently top 5

[@user-zh8dr1qt1s]

@ because they can score well with cheap nothing units that are fast, and have uppy downy strat and 3 inch deepstrike. Theres like two big monsters that are worth a damn the rest fall over like fat garbage quicker than you can blink and with zero re rolls or any kinda of lethality their damage phases are just pure luck rolls unlike every other army with +1 to hit/wound re rolls, lethals, sustained, all over the place. The army is excessively fragile and just been made cheap to compensate and feels horrible to play compared to an army like necrons where you re rolls, actual tough monsters that don’t have S8 melee despite being 20 wounds, re rolls, sprinkles of lethals/sustaiend/dev wounds on weapons and so on.

[@BigMan-cp4pi]

@@user-zh8dr1qt1s i agree with everything you said and I main daemons, have played them a ton this edition. But sadly GW only care about winrate. If we are lucky great unclean one gets a nerf but tzeetch as a whole gets buffs

[@aazreaal]

My khorne list is undefeated currently in my friend group

[@Swampert919]

Daemons have garbage internal balance, and are really getting carried by a few strong datasheets and deep strike shenanigans... i wouldnt be surprised to see nerfs to their best units (aka the great unclean one, though its prob his enhancement that deserves the nerf) but hopefully they bring buffs to the weaker stuff to compensate. Though with 4 detachments on their way next month that might shake things up by a lot... might make up for the shortcomings regardless of what GW does to us this time round

[@runeh3022]

"Things taken in stronger faction" to be nerfed must be put into context I feel, as some armies have very few datasheets compared to others, so that some units will be seen almost as a default in some factions without it necessarily meaning they are too strong or OP. Something taken all the time in larger factions tend to stick out a bit more naturally, although even here it can be a case of a lot of the other options are not even remotely competitive. Hitting everything used a lot with the nerf-bat every time is arguably also not good for the game. Context matters. :-)

[@denzelpanther240]

Pure kroot need a buff so bad. Without the reinforcements they took away we dont stand a chance against anything

[@thesadsquatch3158]

Please make Admech good for anything that isn't just Skitarii. Our robots and cult mechanicus are so cool

[@nataliefortune2392]

I was just wondering, in California that is, as to what Auspex Tactics is up to right now. I’m not disappointed.

[@heyritchard]

Well it is 10:29am here in England so I am going to have a wild guess here but I reckon he is making the 63829943rd 40k video of the day 😂

[@mmogeek1]

I just hope they don't mess up their changes to miracle dice. Knowing your army's main rule is on the chopping block is worrying.

[@henrymng]

Maybe they got the eldar treatment

[@kingdragune1238]

Feel like nerfing the 4+ fnp enhancement for demons would be best. Even if it cost 50 points its still probably worth bringing, that model is easily worth 300+ points.

[@bilbostomper]

Realistically, the best thing for game balance is to not give any multi wound models a FNP of better than 5+.

[@esteban4oo872]

​@@bilbostomper i like fnp, BUT i underestand your point, in kill team they removed fnp (i think) for the reason you are saying. Its fun tu use and give preaty exciting moments BUT only in casual games. In competitive is easily frustrating because It Will be compleaty Broken or useless.

[@lordinquisitor838]

The GUO is weird because he’s only undercosted when he has the enhancement

[@user-zh8dr1qt1s]

It really isn’t. It’s 5 OC with max S8 weapons. It’s crap. It’s literally just tanky. It’s barely worth it’s current cost because it can’t harm or out OC anything

[@TheDenofBadgers]

​​@@esteban4oo872like rotigus staring down two redemptors with plasma cannons, with a tech marine, an impulsor with 6 hellblasters and 5 eradicators and only losing 11 wounds

[@armyvet7070]

Auspex quit talking about Deathshroud terminators FFS - we know James Workshop listens to you and im currently spamming them and winning when DG used to be a 34% winrate....HUSH

[@TheEmperorsLeftBabytoe]

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a points increase for, or ability nerf to Custodian Wardens

[@DarKVampireFury]

I hope they buff the Tyranid Warriors, and other units as well. Mainly the warriors since I think they're cool.

[@cyberjonesy]

Unit points should be attributed by detachment, it’s the only way to fairly do internal balance. Especially for space marines in particular. Also, anyone else notice how the volume in the videos tend to fade between some slides ? Is it just me or is it happening to anyone else ?

[@moderndude123]

Obviously world eaters will be nerfed again. Oh and don’t forget Black Templar

[@nkoehler337]

If it’s anything like last month they’ll probably nerf black Templars even more

[@rickkcir2151]

I have no idea why they nerfed DWK after their buff was just barely able to get DA to a 50% winrate. I don’t know what the first legion did to piss off GW. But it seems like every time the army got even remotely above terrible, they got squished back down.

[@oldmangames9292]

There seems to be a view out there (no sure how accurate it is) that all marine armies are the 'noob' armies - with a lot of inexperienced tournament players playing them. Which, if you subscribe to that view means that a low win-rate is fine as long as good players can still win the odd event. DA's made the mistake of winning the odd event, while spamming 3x DWK 😞

[@aaronnunavabizniz199]

Please give Snikrot the Lord of Deciet ability

[@Floppa_Gaming090]

Nerfing Karnivores points would just make people take more of them, cause they cannot afford a big knight. One of paradoxes in economy - if basic good gets more expensive people cut on less crucial ones

[@Pylfer]

If they're fine gutting orks 2 weeks after the release of their codex and basically ruining 2 detachments, they should be fine changing core rule mechanics for other armies that make them ludicrous. They're done it before I don't see why they don't do it for any of the other outliers.

[@denzelpanther240]

I'd love a nerf to basically all high power named characters. Calgar and up. Herohammer is so boring

[@eskhaphey2873]

Grey knights will get nerfed, considering they got nerfed with the basic 10th ed rules with psychic powers not existing, so why change what is already broken

[@thephinoxman2]

Gsc definitely does not need nerfed. Yes they need rebalanced very badly but not nerfed. The only reason they are doing statistically as good as they are is because their numbers are being inflated by the small amount of players they have in tournaments doing well.

[@insert-cony8379]

Just make a good Cult Ambush rework, and maybe if they want make points to back (neophytes 75 points etc). Just that

[@brianhutton2370]

^ someone who understands game design!

[@WilliamSabio]

Black Templars can use some slight buffs

[@drunkenastarte5243]

Which is exactly why GW will increase the cost on Crusader Squads again, and throw on an extra +10pts tax on Helbretch for good measure ;-)

[@CarnageCoon]

i'm fully prepared for the deathshroud nerf by having 30 dusty blightlords on the shelf

[@drunkenastarte5243]

I'm sure GW will make sure to slap our Blightlords with a +20pts hike, just so they can keep proper pace with Deathshrouds ;-) Also expecting Plague Marines to get at least a +10pts increase as well... We've been doing too good for too long. Gotta get back down to those early 10th win rates of 33% or so

[@pwn3dg4m3r]

or heres a crazy idea, leave the points alone till the next edition. In an edition where there is almost no limitations on list building, increasing a units cost doesn't make that unit less likely to be taken, it completely makes it unusable when compared to other more cost efficient units. A no limits edition such as 10th means that people will build competitive lists based solely on which units are the most cost efficient and then out of those units which ones are the most OP. So GW can keep nerfing points all they want, people will still just use the most cost efficient units and it will just turn into a race to the bottom.

[@gideonm.4866]

I don't get what you're saying? Let the meta be as it is for the next 2 years?

[@brianhutton2370]

that makes zero sense...

[@pwn3dg4m3r]

@gideonm.4866 focus on balancing rules/stats/abilities instead of trying to bandaid things with easy point changes.

[@The_Penguin_8964]

Admech player here, FIX THE KASTELAN ROBOT GOD DAMN IT🙄🙄🙄 I don't care whether you cut points (but it needs to cut hard) or change rules (detechment+datasheet), JUST MAKE SOME GOOD CHANGES G-DUMB🙄🙄🙄

[@waffleiron3695]

As a mono nurgle player I'll be heartbroken to lose my Great Unclean One

[@niccogiova6728]

Clearly the WE moe still need some more points, i think 160 for a character with 4 wounds no inv. Sava and t4 😂😂

[@niccogiova6728]

Seeing the moe at 110 points when typhus is at 80 is a punch in the balls

[@drunkenastarte5243]

@@niccogiova6728 Don't worry, Typhus will get nerfed & ballooned to 130pts To keep things even though, the MoE for WE's will see an increase taking him up to 130pts in order to now make him at least equal to Typhus ;-)

[@ooTheRustySheriffoo]

The Deathshroud fix is easy: Max 1 Squad of 6 or 2 Squads of 3. They are supposed to be the Champions of Mortarion and part of his elite Honour Guard. They are meant to be some of the toughest Terminators in the game/Lore. Therefore Lore-wise - Having 3 together in one room should be a rarity, let alone 6… 15/18 is absurd. Once again, this race to satisfy tournament play balance keeps this hamster wheel of turbulent change turning where for some balance is achieved only to be destroyed soon after when the next dataslate arises.

[@deanthomas2561]

I would like to see all points go up by 10% across the board

[@AbraGaming]

Please just let me generate cabal points while in transport or deepstrike. Or at least just in transport.

[@d.t.m8393]

Yes, for the love of Tzeentch. A thousand times this.

[@marcobaldi9697]

Just imagine if they remove the “on the battlefield” part in the cabal rule… forget transports… it will mean deep strike galore!

[@AbraGaming]

@@marcobaldi9697 well yes it means terminators would finally get played and you wouldn't have to take 3000 sorcerers and squads of rubrics. You could take allied daemons or tanks maybe.

[@ninjapirate47]

Buff the bloody knight abominant! One of the best looking models hanging out in the back like a lemon!

[@lassemelson5668]

not really hanging out, just not in the games :P

[@ninjapirate47]

​@@lassemelson5668I meant the back of the class, mate. I don't think the abominant knows there's a game going! Point stands that it's a gorgeous model.

[@lassemelson5668]

@@ninjapirate47 I know exactly what u mean. Its a travesty

[@Dram1984]

All armies will be nerfed until the most expensive unit is 10pts. You will then need around $40,000 to build an army.

[@Tellion12]

I feel like every time I don’t buy any models and wait 6 months, the models I was thinking of getting end up getting nerfed. Glad I saved my money usually! We’ll have to wait and see

[@brianhutton2370]

sounds like you're buying models based on meta chasing and not what you just like. if its the later, you're fine. If its meta chasing, you're going to be a looooooot quicker pulling the trigger and painting stuff up.

[@isaacstokes3132]

What will be nerfed? Oh I can tell u what will be nerfed! Grey knights and black templars! Again… for some reason

[@shaneseiber7893]

I really don't think the DDA is overpowered to need a nerf. It only dropped 10 points and it's not a consistent damager dealer. Seems if necrons have anything that is good people want it nerfed. We don't have the best shooting, melee, infantry or vehicles compared to other factions. The doomscythe is way over costed and Doomstalkers are not useable outside of a weak canoptek court. WTF do you want us to use?

[@galling2052]

im all for a gsc army ability power decrease, as long as we get sth that is consistent, usefull and effects the entire army

[@letsgetit792]

Unconfirmed rumors were 3 in DS is going away game wide. Moving to 6 in and no Rapid. Units with 4+ fnps all going to 5+ fnp or gone all together.

[@captainweekend5276]

I feel like GW should see direct nerfs as the last resort, too often are factions only just reaching middle tier before GW decides to stamp them down to low tier again for no real reason, which just creates a revolving door balance where it never actually improves, just different factions get to have their turn at the top. However, you also can't just buff everything up to that top level, 9th tried to do that and it was the most lethal edition where you could end up losing half your army turn 1 if you deployed badly. The approach should never just be to nerf what's being used the most, that's a kneejerk reaction which ignores the reality of why they're being used in the first place. Sometimes it's justified, however a lot of the time factions just fold after an MFM/dataslate because the units they relied on to do well were nerfed and they had nothing to fall back on.

[@lazerbeamhawkins]

Necron Seraptek Heavy Construct has been removed from the online store

[@thedead12]

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[@HeroGuy3]

I used a legends aircraft (phoenix) in a casual tts game so naturally aircraft will be getting another nerf to their core rules

[@dritzzjoney]

I mean 18 is still easy to deal with they just need to avoid them lol. But they need to give 1 wound for BLT and points decrease to 100 points and I'll be happy

[@Gravedigger6927]

As a tau player I will admit something ghostkheel could do with a slight nerf maybe a points increase or -1 to its toughness.

[@insert-cony8379]

@@Gravedigger6927 ???

[@lordinquisitor838]

The Ghostkeel feels pretty bang on for it’s cost, I’d rather they reworked the riptide entirely to buff it and make it 230 points or someting

[@muratferguson4534]

​@@lordinquisitor838 as a non tau Player I think this unit is okay ^^. I think the small stealthy ones need a point increase!!! And I think I am far more objektiv on this topic

[@Woundedon6s]

Ghostkeel is fine at the cost. I think the crisis suits will go up and the commanders. Tanks may come back down and the Riptides are not good enough to go up but maybe too good to go back down.

[@Gravedigger6927]

@@muratferguson4534 I’d agree but not that much think 70 would be good theyre key. But can be taken out easily enough

[@Swampert919]

Hope we see some buffs to the weaker units in daemons if they are gonna kill the big chungus off... like buffs to daemonettes and bloodletters, maybe a few buffs for the slaanesh chariots, plague drones, nurgle heralds, bloodthirsters... stuff like that, especially for when we get mono god detachments itll be nice if the army isnt relying on units not all gods get and deep strike shinanigans the mono gods wont have access to

[@homelessperson5455]

Aw gee, it would REALLY suck if they nerfed Grey Knights so hard that they had to get a rework! It would be terribly profitable of them to give them psychics again and new models!

[@TheRealSuldar]

Tired of seeing Necron nerfs. I get it for the Hypercrypt legion/C'tan lists, but the other lists feel bad to play with not a lot of options and the basic infantry having crazy points pricing. (100 points for 10 Warriors is insane to me.)

[@Rambit]

Doomsday ark is way too swingy and has no access to rerolls, very unlikely to see a nerf in any capacity. If anything Szeras will see a change

[@Deathgaming112]

I bet it will drop tomorrow Nov 30th so it's out for the first detachment

[@matjov]

Deathshroud are ridiculous right now.

[@JCMiniPainting]

Fuck it, just make Knights an Ally/Soup only army. Nobody can run full Knights lists anymore. Gotta be Imperium or Chaos.

[@aqz7603]

nah

[@OniFeez]

I was genuinely surprised that they didn't nerf guo's/endless gift last dataslate. But lets face it, it's like the one really good thing with Chaos Daemon army's right now. Most of the problems with the army are their stats, and they've already gone pretty low (although troops could go lower still. Bloodletters should not cost 120 points for 10, when Intercessors cost 160 or even Tacticals cost 140). GuO's are probably a little bit cheap for their cost though. I think the nerfs/buffs really depend upon the goodies they get in regards to new detachments, and it sounds like we're getting pretty well blessed in that regard.

[@emmanuelhernandez3200]

i just want my range destroyers to get some buff on the annihilation detachment

[@wilshned]

(Guard player) I can't wait for Aquillons to get nerfed. I'm sick of hearing about them. I don't have them. I refuse to play them with proxies until they're balanced better. If you want playing guard to suck nerf all the tanks in a vehicle heavy meta and nerf lord solar out only efficient access to our army rule.

[@fabiusque4266]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO leave the Doomsday Ark alone. I just bought two and considering that I likely lost 3-5 years lifetime to anger issues while building them... i would like to have at least a few months of fun with them before the go onto the shelf.

[@gorryman]

black templar 20 man 500 points

[@schno.z]

They need to set the the slates back, people finally get a groove going and boom fuck your points and your fun we still took your money and your time!

[@djc1376]

Deffo need to make necron ghost ark better so it's worth taking if it could take immortals ya deffo would see it

[@Patrick_Edwards]

20 Warriors you'd see it Lychguard or skorpekhs you'd see it

[@djc1376]

Yep would me more usable

[@joshuasutherland6692]

Man dropped it in the time I took to turn off my laptop 🤯

[@Rich-in6ds]

Doubt DDA Arks are getting nerfed. They literally just got buffed. Necrons just have a bunch of guns that are fairly finely balanced there always be one that’s slightly mathematically superior to the others.

[@RanVor]

Doomsday Ark Arks?

[@joshdown-wc7po]

I’d use csm as an example instead of orks. We have had rules and points nerfs to dataslates ago they continuesly nerfs accursed cultist and now there unplayable, there are so many csm units that just don’t get used because they hit us so hard. It wouldn’t have been so bad if it was just points, but the rules changes were what made 4 or 5 of our key units unplayable

[@drunkenastarte5243]

Chaos players still need to be punished for the sins of Chambers & Haines... It's only been 21 years and counting. We still need at least another 3 or 4 editions of being bottom feeders before GW lets us forget what we did.

[@BjornDaBao]

To GW: Faq this, faq that, did you actually just FAQ your own mom?

[@muratferguson4534]

???

[@NikolayMIA]

Nah, they d never buff deathwatch. It’s dead. Screw that.

[@guerrillavanilla]

Why would they nerf Lord Solar when he's the only non-TC Officer really worth his points?

[@Neoreaver]

I wonder if Typhus will escape again..

[@BenjaminThorley]

The best way to balance is simply use maths and common sense. Experienced players like yourself should have the common sense and update the rules so they are clear and easy to understand with no chance of miss interpretation and improve game speed. For example in rules, use a blind at the start to split the map in to. Place your army where you want in your half of the map. No peaking behind blind and no stacking the majority of units in one location. Its supposed to be a battlefield. plus both say fire at the same time (in war its called cross fire) so no unit gets removed until the end of the turn or if they are out of range to fire back. have precision to fire through windows. excetra. For maths: you could add every number up on the data sheet and say that's its point score. Then have a point system for abilities. so feel no pain at 4 could be extra 15, at 5 say 10 points. ps if you wanted to change things up as some things are more or less effective, like carnifex hitting on a 4. Have that as a negative. If movement is amazing you could have every inch equals 2 points. thats where the common sense in. At least this would be more systematic than nerfing or buffing something without a change in points.

[@cynicalcortex]

Custodian warden squads and caladius’ going up 50 points each because of WCW bet

[@Noalak]

I like your content Auspex. Great job :)