ENORMOUS 40K Rules Changes - Balance Dataslate, Space Marine Buffs, New Points + Many Nerfs!

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

“Big knight players, we hear you. That’s why we’d like to announce… MORE BUFFS for the Armigers!”

[@Adalon-]

I am convinced GW hates Knight players, especially after the Grotmass "Knight" detachments.

[@cameerex6630]

The chaos knight detachment is cool but the imperial one isn't that interesting

[@malal6512]

​@@Adalon-Thousand sons: first time?

[@aguy607]

Honestly the reasons someone gets knights or used to was for the flavour of a big knight and the lore. They suck the fun and flavour out of 40k too much to satisfy meta players at tournaments running 1 of 2 meta builds normally with some weird soup lists. Old 40k used to be more realistic with balanced armies and strategy not synergising and ruleshammering

[@fmalch1209]

​@@malal6512 TF you talking about? 1k sons have been a top 5 army for like 3 solid editions.

[@LordyT34]

The World Eaters cycle: 1. Get to a decent win rate 2. Get nerfed 3. Manage to settle into a decent new meta Repeat

[@ShadowOfLaw]

Drukhari cycle: 1. Skari wins with random list. 2. Get nerfed for no reason. 3. Skari wins with nerfed list. 4 Get nerfed for no reason once again.

[@mathiasschulze6148]

49% is near to perfectly balanced...what's the problem. If the ppl would play as well as they cry out loud, we had rly great tournaments to watch.

[@mahel3643]

Yeah when the Others Had 49% to 51% than yes, but when Others are 56% to 60% than it isnt very fair, isn't it...

[@Montyandrew45]

​@@ShadowOfLawIt's like GW is bullying people for playing Drukhari

[@mathiasschulze6148]

@@mahel3643 well, guard and gen stealers got nerfed, I can't understand why Deathguard remains untouched but other then that? what's the super powerful army's that you can't beat? and a little reminder even 55% Winrate means you lose pretty much every 2nd game...and here and there you win 2 in a row. Or out of 100 games they win 55 and world eaters 49... you're right...this is not to tolerate...

[@jhammers1918]

If we had a specific officer who orders auxiliaries, like a commisar, or an enginseer to order all vehicles including superheavies within their ability range, then the nerf wouldn't be so bad

[@alexandermichels6022]

I feel like all of the Sisters nerfs individually make some sense and if we had only been hit with a few of them, it would have been fine, but they didn't need to hit us with ALL of them at once.

[@slammgames7425]

Yep they made our best and most usable detachment pretty much useless and entirely different. As well as our core rules being vastly worse plus remotely all our best and most useable units that generate miracle dice. We barely even have a use for miracle dice anymore. Legit don’t know how sisters win games anymore

[@RockmeHellsing]

@@slammgames7425 well i have then for a half a year now played 4 times. all losses because every time i can field less sisters are they stupid?

[@DeathsHead57]

As a Imperial Fist player.....EMPEROR BE PRAISED!!!. New oath of moment is gonna make us unstoppable.

[@StarkMaximum]

Seriously, hearing all these bolter buffs _and_ Lysander buffing the OC of Terminators is really tempting me off Blood Angels...and Feiross buffs the OC of my favorite Space Marine unit! Life is so hard for me...

[@m33ddyhv]

rules are temporary​@@StarkMaximum

[@StarkMaximum]

@@m33ddyhv Rules are temporary but those two are still very close behind Blood Angels for my favorite Space Marine chapters. Plus, if the rules are temporary, it just makes it more likely I should jump on them now so I can play it before it gets nerfed.

[@jimmysmith2249]

​@@StarkMaximumOr eliminated altogether! Go for it, dude. Have fun while it lasts; we all know what gw does when they see us having fun, and sisters got it this update.

[@martinnikolov38]

@@m33ddyhvthat is true, but the codex space marines getting nerfs because blood angels and dark angels do things better than us was an issue that needed to be addressed for a long time. Even if this exact change doesn’t stick, something will.

[@Adonidus]

Norn Assimilators out there living their best life

[@voltix54]

it shouldve been the venomthropes, toxicrenes and sporocysts loool it doesnt even make sesnse that they have the harvestor ability

[@elderdrake9127]

@@voltix54 It makes no sense that the Norn ASSIMILATOR gets a boost in ASSIMILATION Swarm detachment ?

[@unboundjackal]

​@voltix54 i need some of whatever you're having, apparently mine aren't even close to whatever you're on

[@humantwist-offcap9514]

@@voltix54toxicrenes getting the rule would go really hard to be fair.

[@voltix54]

@@elderdrake9127 yes just because it has assimulation in the name doesnt mean it consumes biomass.... norn assimulators are produced to take out one specific target thats the whole point why would they stick around and start eating biomass they arnt built for it

[@ironwarriorhonsou9303]

Guard and sisters in shambles, holy crap

[@ThomasCundy]

Gsc took a pretty hard kick right in the Nethers only being able to bring 2-3 units back per game

[@Mangopawsss]

⁠@@ThomasCundyI mean generally, the change makes bringing units back way more consistent, and it’s much easier to tweak if needed (which is needed currently) Like sure, it was really nice bringing back 750pts of units on a whim from a good dice roll, but that happened maybe once every 6 games. I’d much prefer the guarantee that I get one or two somethings back than have my entire faction ability completely rely on dice rolls that I likely won’t make

[@gfazekas25]

i mean the main output of guard is untouched... Dorn and Russes still cheap and still busted dmg output... Leontus was a dumb nerf but hey james workshop with infantry in line (still unreasonable considering 80pts for wastly superior marines) DKoK is more viable, also 20men units didnt get more expy Guard got hit but honestly it could be waaaaaaaaaay worse... Sentinels, Hydras, Kasrkin also untouched while AoC nerfed

[@BOBOFSAGGET]

Oh no, spamming the parking lot is still viable and bullshit! How ever could guard recover?

[@CHESTNUT246]

@@gfazekas25 im just upset the baneblade cant take orders from solar anymore

[@triplea657aaa]

T'au DID get a big nerf. 6" deep strike means no melta on the sunforges. That's a 36% damage nerf on one of the primary reasons to run Retaliation Cadre, which is T'au's only detachment with a positive winrate... EDIT: it's actually worse than that since they also lose the AP, so land raiders now get saves and non-sunforges have no reason to use the 3" deep strike...

[@_Morph1ne_]

GW seems to want to make tank spam the only viable strat for guard, which I’m SURE everyone will enjoy.

[@DarkSnideoftheRainbow]

Considering Robin Cruddace is behind the wheel with rules design people really should have seen that one coming...

[@Proto1Dude]

@@DarkSnideoftheRainbow Cruddy Cruddace needs to be put in the ground

[@thatonebisexualnerd1370]

The Ravenwing enhancement change was a mistake. At the bottom of the warcom article it says that they're changing Mounted Strategist to get re-rolls to Advance and Charge, not Master of Manoeuvre. So Ravenwing keeps the Turn 1 Reserve drop

[@triplea657aaa]

Sisters were a 50% winrate army... they now get half as many miracle dice, their best units (castigators) are no longer undercosted and exorcists are extraordinarily expensive for what they do (they should be expensive as an exorcist swinging up is disgusting and indirect is unhealthy, but on average an exorcist doesn't even kill 2 marines...). To top it all off, the one detachment that was the reason they've been taking massive nerfs over the past 6 months got slaughtered and is massively worse with no compensation buffs for any of it...

[@slammgames7425]

And that 50% relied heavily on the good players of the army. This punishes the casuals much more then the pros

[@ShadowOfLaw]

meanwhile necrons...

[@mathiasschulze6148]

dark angels get 3 nerfs in a row, and now pretty much lose Gladius completely...stop crying...play better

[@philtravis2093]

@@slammgames7425 I HATE PRO-PLAY DRIVEN RULES CHANGES, I HATE PRO-PLAY DRIVEN RULES CHANGES, I HATE PRO-PLAY DRIVEN RULES CHANGES

[@I2dios8]

F to pay respects. 40 to 30% win rate until next dataslate. I can relate as an Admech player.

[@agent_hippy8855]

Are we all going to ignore Grey Knights only got nerfs this patch when they already werent doing that hot?

[@rottenpotato9290]

Hello I work at GW for balancing and we basically want to make them a 30% win rate army. Also we have a big hate for the space marines ! Cheers

[@ShadowOfLaw]

@@rottenpotato9290 Yea, yea especially with new changes.

[@agent_hippy8855]

Basically feels like the grey knights are getting forced into the new grotmas detachment and getting punished if they don't

[@edmundgennings3025]

The oath of moment buff is particularly powerful at the lower point level where I typically play. My army only has 7 units so almost all of them can be oath of moment targets for a round.

[@redcv6706]

As someone who is literally just starting a Sisters army (as my first army, no less): oof. owie. my bones. At least my army won’t be properly playable until likely the Summer Balance Datasheet releases, so things will probably have been normalized by that point.

[@cas5950]

Ask tau about that lol. This is a brutal grounding of sisters. Let's see What lvo shows, but it's closer to shelf than just under performing. AOF is nerfed due to the core of AS being gutted. BOF was taken out back and shot, PH never was good, I guess hallowed martyr could function. If we get anywhere near 40% I'll be shocked

[@FhtagnCthulhu]

New GSC player still trying to finish painting and... I am just tired at this point. We didn't get burned to the ground like sisters, but this is like the third major revision to our army rule since I started buying units and it just looks a bit sad and boring. Maybe I should have started with one of the mascot armies.

[@beckkels6358]

Same here man, it is discouraging

[@slammgames7425]

Welp sisters are packed away for a bit. We were barely over 50% and they decide to crater us into the god damn ground.

[@matjov]

You only play your armies if they're top tier? Sad.

[@banjoskeleton8399]

​@@matjovdoesn't know what top tier means

[@optionallemon9262]

​@@banjoskeleton8399Sisters of Battle consistently rank among the top armies in terms of overall win percentage. They've been top tier for the entire Edition. Are you new or?...

[@matjov]

@@banjoskeleton8399 so you're saying that they haven't been one of the best performing armies? Try paying attention to the meta before spouting.

[@banjoskeleton8399]

@@optionallemon9262 current win rates are 50-51%. That's average, not top tier. They have been powerful throughout most of 10th, but they were pretty much balanced. If you wanna talk design, miracles were too important for sisters and toning them down was necessary, but not replacing them with some other buffs is a wild choice.

[@JimH.]

Said this on another video and I'll say it here: some nice changes but my take is twofold for Space Marines: 1) GW isn't selling enough of certain units and while the changes for HI, Reivers, Outriders, etc. are definitely positive, they aren't turning SM from a 42-44% army into a 50% one. These units still suffer from lack of ability to kill any type of unit. No melee weapon upgrades for units like HI and Outriders means they aren't killing elites, Reivers still won't kill anything with better than a 4+ save, nothing can reliably chip vehicles or monsters, etc. 2) GW hates the Fire Discipline combo and wants it gone but doesn't have the stones to simply remove and replace it. Repeated points nerfs to the enhancement and the models that made the best use of it (Apothecary Biologis, Aggressors, Eradicators) and now a complete GUTTING of the enhancement itself without reverting said points nerfs is just atrocious. On a related note, please someone explain how Typhus and Deathshroud Terminators remain dirt cheap but Aggressors are 40 ppm with their combo all but destroyed?

[@swiffer25]

100% agree with this! all the Gravis Models are still too overpriced compared to any comparable units in different codices. Free my Aggressor Boys from Fire Discipline jail!

[@Proto1Dude]

I can explain the Typhus thing! 40k has reach the critical mass of being "too big to fail" so Games Workshop puts inexperienced and/or incompetent designers on that team, while better talent gets assigned to systems that actually have to stand on their own merits.

[@jw7500]

Don't agree with the take on Outriders and Reivers here. Outriders with s5 Ap1 Dmg2 on the charge with a Chaplain on bike is a serious melee profile. You will actually see them now. (We might even see genuine White Scars, Outriders at OC3 is kinda spice). Reivers just turned into one of the best objective skirmish units in the game. Note that they can reduce OC of something below one. A unit of 5 with a appropriate Lt is only 135 pts. That's a good objective yoink unit on a stick. They also attack with AP1 in melee now.

[@JerichoPaulhus]

​​@@jw7500not just that in my army (Blood Angels) we already got +2 strength +1 attk on the charge so with a Chap on bike we have 30 attks at s7 -1ap 2dmg wounding t6 and below on 2s that's pretty spicy

[@jw7500]

@@JerichoPaulhus yup. Blood Angels are murder bikes by the looks of it. White Scars seem to be the number 1, fast objective bully. 3x 6 bikes with S5 Ap1 and Dmg2 2 on the charge *AND* OC 3. Good luck bullying 24 wounds with T5 off of an objective. Not to mention that in the Scars detachment they can advance and charge + fallback and charge. And finally, the Scars detachment has acces to a 1CP defensive strat to give a whole 6 man Bike unit -1 to both be hit and wounded by shooting for that turn. That's really hard to peel off an objective.

[@kevlonk]

NGL, as a Sisters player these changes hurt a lot. I agree that BoF and the Triumph needed a nerf, but they didn't need to go this far. This hurts all Sisters builds, not just Bringers of Flame. Also I am boggled at why they hiked the cost on the Exorcist again. Few people were using it because it was already so bloody expensive.

[@wyatttyson7737]

Guard really only needed a nerf to 3” deep strike and maybe a points increase to the Lord Solar, but instead we got gutted. The Scout-Mera is dead, the only Infantry Squad you’re running are Dearh Korps, and Aquillons are never going to be taken. Nerfs so bonkers you’d think we were on a 80% winrate, not a 52%.

[@nickrivas6429]

Don't forgot some units just don't get the army rules or orders anymore with the lord solar nerf. Baneblades and ogyrns

[@triplea657aaa]

Guard needed more than the 3" deep strike hit... guard was the best army in the game...

[@quincykunz3481]

We deserved some slight nerfs, and for once I actually think they nerfed all the right things, but they were too harsh. If the nerfs were all 5 points lighter that would've probably been perfect. Guess we'll see what the codex does, and how many data sheets we lose.

[@sangerzonnvolt6712]

​​​@@triplea657aaa 2nd best. GSC was better with necrons, sisters and deathguard behind them.

[@wyatttyson7737]

@@triplea657aaa Not even close. In even in the ballpark of “best.” A single broken unit was an issue, the rest of the index is mid at best.

[@jw7500]

Some very big changes here. - Intercessors good, Reivers good and Outriders good....what a time to be alive - A reason now to take non-UM characters (particularly Khan, Lysandre and Shrike) - Ultramarines worry me though..... Roboute Guilliman, even with the 60 pts hike is *insane* now. That, and his combo with Calgar also still works.

[@dylanstocke724]

My Crimson Fists eating good this patch.

[@chikumori5530]

Seems the B-team got the balance dataslate. Guard in ruins before their codex somehow while Eldar not?

[@gfazekas25]

@@chikumori5530 CWE struggles to get X-0 games while Guard tops tbh thats the most eyecatching difference, also eldar gunna get another 10month nerf spree after codex hits as always

[@coldstar2035]

i love how t'au got no buffs and just got indirectly slapped with the 3" deepstrike nerf.

[@Brakmek11823]

RIP Tau tho, no changes for the 3" DS nerf, still 2CP, and Tiger Shark got nuked out of the one Detachment that played it, so the only Detachments that could actually place or top tourneys both got hit. Second dataslate in a row where Tau pay for other factions' sins with no compensation to speak of until the MFM 3 months later. And RIP to half the 2 playable Aircraft.

[@dariocenciarelli1090]

As an unending swarm player…I get you

[@daaaah_whoosh]

Tau got off a lot better than others. We only got a 3" deepstrike from a 2CP stratagem in a single detachment, and now we don't have to worry about any other army doing it to us for free. And yeah sure aircraft nerfs suck but the writing's been on the wall for a long time now, GW doesn't want aircraft to be good.

[@mikhail628]

What is the second playable Aircraft?

[@grud8495]

Intercessors have become what I got out of them as ultramarines in 9th. I got to shoot twice with my 10 man unit because of a stratagemn, which could then be 40 shots. now they all get it. it's a massive boost and I'm partially happy its back. intercessors are actually good again.

[@starcommander7589]

I'll probably chuck them in the back of the executioner to get out on the obj and to help to destroy the living hell out of my friend poxwalkers

[@ordohereticus5530]

The fact that they finally mercy killed Fire Discipline but let Typhus and his Deathshrouds remain untouched is absurd.

[@stephenball-qo7ug]

6 helverins 5 warglaives 3 moirax with conversion beamers, add the imperial agent priest at 40pts for the HQ 2000pts on the dot. 168 wounds on the mini knights with a 6+FNP and reroll a hit and a wound roll.

[@ChrisPrice12]

Time for my 1st Company to hit the table. Just finished painting my kitbashed Lysander as well.

[@gergohrusko2672]

The world eaters demon prince nerf is to stop Jakhals from getting a 4+ invul. The whole combo is to take the guaranteed extra FNP from the army rule and when shot, spend 1CP on Go to ground to get a 6+ invul, which in turn will give you a 4+ invul from the demon prince, as you technically have an invul and get the improved version. So it was possible to get 20 models with a 4+ invul 5+ FNP for 1CP, which GW doesn't like

[@leoschue8071]

an extremely funny combo that was basically a competitive nonentity, so it's unclear why they took aim at it at all

[@HyperDrifter_EN]

51:24 dude the assimilation changes are so good, last time i tried assimilation i only ended up using the rule to regen twice because i got pushed off no mans land obj where i could actually regen anything

[@luxus0784]

The drukhari change was personal. It was aimed at one specific tournament list. It makes absolutely no sense, especially after GW tanked win rates of Skysplinter Assault. I really hope the Grotmas detachment will give us something, else it's gonna be 3 months of below-average performance on a boring detachment that doesn't do anything (RSR).

[@martinkafka9510]

One more horrendous thing for Sisters is - with the 6 inch +1 S, we are back to only S9 melta, which is going to have us struggle against any T10 targets (like for no reason cheapened Armigers/Warhounds) and all that without Miracle Dice.

[@freybrand1617]

Auspex to the rescue for my boring day at work.

[@victordavila9812]

Thank God for that bike change they were nearly unusable before now they actually look useful

[@realllybadgaming9216]

As much as I wish they would give us old Oath of Moment back and nuke that whole "Extremis Level Threat" detachment, this is 100% a step in the right direction for players who refuse to bow to GW's whole "You must pick a chapter" system

[@blacktemplar2982]

Well it helps me a bit but i was expecting more for marines and then they shafted other armies or did nothing for them. Amazing job GW.

[@Silverdragon83X]

I totally love, that they made Vanilla Marines better AND made them more fluffy by improving the thematic units. I hate, that they totally forgot Imperial Agents and things like Kult of Speed and Buggies of the Orks. But overall cool changes, even if it seems to be a bit arbitrarily

[@slippyboi6361]

Lets be honest, I don't think anyone really cares if Agents aren't doing well, they shouldn't really be a full-army faction to begin with. It's a cheap cash-grab that's more expensive to build than Admech

[@AndrewBolitho-i4n]

Wonder if the ork grotmas is going to be focused on buggies?

[@Hyenadont]

I was holding a lot of hope on this dataslate just so I could maybe have a little more fun on the table with my agents. We have the lowest win rate and get tabled by everything, we needed help. We got a nerf. Fuck it, GW just wants agents to die, I'm going back to chaos knights

[@ThomasCundy]

Baneblade chassis just getting made obsolete currently with solar change. Not sure why it doesn't have the squadron keyword.

[@davidchildress4378]

MORTARION HAS WHAT?!

[@Kupari9]

Deep what now?

[@Kell_Craask]

"He's right behind me, isn't he?"

[@joshuasutherland6692]

My IG combined regiment that runs most of that stuff: lmao, lemau even.

[@biggerthanjapan]

Agents are once more an afterthought of an afterthought. Stinks out loud in the cold.

[@Djones0125]

As an Anvil player... im looking forward to shooting 20 shots, hitting on 2, and getting a +1 to wound if I don't move

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

As a fellow Fists player, fuck yeah.

[@Djones0125]

@LordCrate-du8zm I should have played imperial fists. I actually play Ultramarines.... because i liked blue when I first started

[@lostwithalens]

@@Djones0125 Sounds like you're the proud owner of blue Imperial Fists going undercover as Ultramarines

[@Djones0125]

@lostwithalens I did use the tor Garadon model for my Chapter Master

[@malal6512]

GW: Hello fanbase, we noticed Space Marines weren't top of the winrate in tournaments, so we're nerfing ALL other factions into the godamn floor and buffing space marines to artificially force higher winrates due to janky and unbalanced mechanics, you can thanks us now.

[@gavinross1565]

No buggy changes :( *sad Orky noises

[@gregtso7505]

Holy crap Heavy Intercessors have damage 2 bolt rifles. Imperial Fists chads are winning rn

[@brewingtutormtg]

As a T'au player: Look how they've massacred my boys.

[@JCMiniPainting]

The DA Enhancement change is incorrectly listed btw. It's mentioned way at the bottom of the article. The actual enhancement that they're changing is Mounted Strategist, but they aren't gonna fix it til January.

[@NotALongTime]

This feels right: I started collecting genestealers yesterday

[@GeneralMarbles]

While they weren’t all hits, really happy to see bad detatchments get attention they needed. In older editions that terrible Necron destroyer detatchment that literally didn’t buff half the units with the keyword would of sat like that the entire edition

[@troutwarrior6735]

Lord Solar orders nerf is BS, there should be SOMETHING that can order superheavies

[@davetorres1893]

Feels like the Super Heavies should be given their own ways of being independent. Similar to Kasrkin, they should be able to order themselves.

[@NightStalkerSoC]

Nice... And I just bought my triumph of St Katherine this week-end........ 😢

[@felixzimmermann6848]

I actually think that the new data slate was good for Dark Angels, because with the Ravenwing buff, the new Lion‘s Blade Detachement was seriously improved. You can basically build a brick with DWK+ Termi Chaplain and Fulgus magna enhancement and basically drop that brick TWICE with a 7 inch charge (+2 inch if ravenwing are engaged with the target)

[@Utahraptor777]

Nids are eating great with this update!

[@_Morph1ne_]

I don’t understand why GW hates the baneblade so much. Why can they not get orders? The admech steal all our vox units or something?

[@PanicAttack445]

Yes we have stolen your vox units, and no you may not have them back.

[@chikumori5530]

They also hate Bullgryn, Ogryn, and Ratlings, apparently. Also Aquilons. Melee whiners won.

[@Grassouillelafripouille]

@@chikumori5530 I know it's the salt speaking but come on aquilons deserved the nerf

[@dhkatz_]

I feel the same way with the Heldrake, they refuse to make that thing good even for a little bit. I just wanna play the cool looking units 😔😔

[@nein4599]

They deserved A nerf, not this one ​@@Grassouillelafripouille

[@DominatorLegend]

Lmao, the Tau change. At this point it feels GW will make it so if you play flyers they can legally sue you.

[@manyslayer5889]

Have not been enjoying 10th and I think these changes have made it that I doubt I will play again before 11th (primarily sisters with chaos marines and all firstborn deathwatch as alternative armies).

[@Cornerboy73]

I'm glad Lion got his deadly sweep attack back; now if only he could regain his -1 to wound on that shield.

[@729060]

Why would I ever take any of the non krieg guard options now that they all cost the same. Also I get why solar got nerfed but he's such a staple of every list

[@liv9520]

The stratagem thats getting changed is Mounted Strategist, not master of manoeuvre, that was a typo.

[@grantmorris5206]

So it wasn’t the master of manoeuvre enhancement that they changed for dark angels, it was the mounted strategist. That one is now reroll charges as opposed to being able charge if you fell back or advanced 34:08

[@jorgeluishidalgo2894]

i'm drooling for trying the buffed sternguard with the Librarians detachment, 10 man strong with full bolters/heavy bolters and the enhancement to give them 5+ anti vehicle/monster and possibly sustained 1, with the oath full rerolls that combo is nasty.

[@niccogiova6728]

Really wish for gw to make legionaries with bolter viable as intercessors

[@WontonDestruction]

So much jealousy looking at all the marine changes, where is our bikes +1 damage on the charge? 😅

[@UnexpectedInquisition]

Does this change mean that something like a group of Hellblasters standing next to a Repulsor could overwatch once charge is declared, shoot whats charging them, and then embark in the Repulsor using its ability? o.0

[@drewbg333]

You can only over watch a successful charge. If you re-embarked the charging unit doesn't move.

[@UnexpectedInquisition]

@@drewbg333 He says that just changed...? Now overwatch when charge is declared, so even if unsuccessful you can still overwatch. Or did I mishear?

[@0AbsolutZero0]

38:43 It was changed to get rid of the cheese you could do where you have infantry around him then use Go to Ground, which gives you a 6+ invuln, then DP says that invuln is now a 4+ invuln. Now you have to have already had a 5+ invuln

[@ribbityray5381]

We are not cooking with World Eaters

[@kingdragune1238]

Would be nice to see units like the fateskimmer that have screamer bites as extra attacks gain the same buff screamers get. and the burning chariot, maybe some thousand sons models too.

[@EthanPeng-e7h]

Anyone else realized in the Company of Hunters Detachment, the Mounted Strategist enhancement is now useless. With it you can advance/fall back and charge, which is what the detachment gives, and it can only be taken on Ravenwing Units....

[@gregtso7505]

Typo was mentioned in the document. Read other comments

[@EthanPeng-e7h]

@ I see it now, thank you

[@BlackKaiserDrake]

RIP the Trygon, its only use was Rapid Ingress up close. Im not sure what it can even do now.

[@BlueBoy0]

Slide at 0:36 should probably say "2025".

[@optionallemon9262]

I'm just happy Custodes Bikes are back

[@marwie2598]

RIP Ultramarines

[@drewbg333]

They are strong double oath of moment with plus 1 to wound is crazy.

[@HelterSkelter199]

While I would have liked more help for the Salamanders and Firestorm...however The idea of a NonSanguin Libertator Assault BA list is looking real intriguing with +1 wound Oath.

[@lovecontemplation8607]

The change to Overwatch means that units charging behind a ruin can no longer be overwatched when they end it visible to your units. It’s a pretty big nerf in that sense that you can position your melee such that your opponents ranges that could inflict a good overwatch wont be able to now..

[@Majere613]

They couldn't anyway, for the most part. If a unit ends a Charge move it's in Engagement Range, which means it can't be shot. All of the rules allowing you to shoot whilst engaged (eg Big Guns Never Tire, or Pistol) are restricted to the Shooting phase. The only exception seems to be that you can shoot engaged Monsters and Vehicles at any time, since that rule doesn't specify the phase, so Dreads and Carnifexes etc did get a small buff to their ability to dodge Overwatch.

[@davidbell5528]

So my Imperial agents are still pretty useless and the force I picked up to cover that, Sisters of battle has just gone thru the floor. Think maybe if i buy an army at random that will vanish into the low 40s next update?

[@bugmanzgaming9054]

"Norn Emissary - already good" yeah... sure, whatever you say, Auspex

[@crsmith6226]

I hope in 11th edition they take the route of AoS and have far more standardized keywords for stratagems/abilities. Make it a lot easier to reference than “things like armor of contempt”

[@sarinat3101]

Every day, my upcoming list of max Kastelans in Cohot Cybernetica feels less and less insane. The number of buffs you can put on those chonky boys is actually crazy.

[@Zeldaytal]

Sisters codex was less than 6 months ago. Its an unrecognisable book today. As if it was something from 3 editions ago. I get GW trying to "keep it fresh", but this rate is just too fast.

[@Argumemnon]

Yeah I agree that, for a casual player, this is moving really fast.

[@garethlamb6923]

Was the Royal Warden secretly overpowered or something and I never knew? A 25% point increase feels like an odd choice when wraiths are going down in points, and a full squad of warriors still can’t go in a ghost ark, and immortals can’t go in at all.

[@heavygass979]

Rip 1k sons and they didn't close the gap between the Imperial and chaos knights

[@scevvin7788]

I wonder if there’s a way to report causal game win rates to get a more realistic overview. Basing changes off tournament play is like changing Football rules across the board based off the NFL.

[@JohnSmith-rg1ie]

Cadians were one of the weakest battle line units to begin with and now they cost as much as the seriously better krieg squads. I just don’t understand why?

[@lako360]

never attribute to incompetence what could be attributed to greed. What regiment is getting a big release this year, what regiment is on the new codex, what regiment costs the most to buy new models for?

[@JohnSmith-rg1ie]

@ i mean points wise

[@nein4599]

​@@JohnSmith-rg1iedon't you get it???. Is it that complicated? You should buy krieg now

[@JohnSmith-rg1ie]

@@nein4599 put that way no

[@mereal250]

White scars fans going on a joy ride after listening to this one. I was already saying outriders are under rated now they’re just busted.

[@seizedmeansofproduction4739]

I realize you did mention the 3inch drop rule change earlier in the video but you didn’t make any comment on it in the Tau section and I can’t help but feel that was a pretty substantial nerf to Ret Cad, as one of the best ways to trigger the detatchment rule’s extra AP which it won’t do at 6+ inches

[@claytonleal7947]

i wish in the images GW released when something was buffed it was green and nerfed it was read (looking at you the lions damage on the sweep)

[@christerprestberg3973]

Oh lord over 1 hour Auspex video =O

[@cameronlang6858]

The outrider changes give me hope that that rumor engine primaris thruster might be a jet bike captain?

[@timo395]

You did forget the major Tau nerf. No having three inch deep strike makes the detachment rule not work and melta don't work in one of the best detachment tau had.

[@TheSupporter76]

Ngl i expect the main hit to my guard army is when the codex drops as i have been primarily focusing on a tank only army...was glad the russes got cheeper and to narrowly dodge getting more expensive each update

[@tinguspingus1523]

They did guard so dirty with these changes. Lord solar was so good because he was the only thing that made our army rule work. The center piece of the faction the baneblade literally doesn’t have any synergy with the faction rules or detachment. Infantry all costing the same is a joke as kreig is the obvious better choice. I get guard was good but we weren’t that good. Almost all of my lists went up 100 points. Why did hell hounds go up by that much they were good but not an auto include. Aquilons are worthless at this point with a point cost that high and 6” deep strike being kind of bad. Mech guard got hammered and it wasn’t even a big issue. These changes are just so heavy handed.

[@elijahlovejoy5438]

Outriders with a chap on bike in blood angels is now +3S +1 to wound and +1 Dmg!

[@itsmefil2670]

the pyreblaster is now not having the same statline depending on the unit its in ig

[@Kingofdragons117]

Orks got the new Tankbustas and they are great.

[@walterleonardi9184]

The involuntary nerf to 3' deepstirike for tau really nerfs the retcadre! Very unfortunate since it puts us out of the detachment rule bonus

[@JeffandBCProductions]

Liked video before watching. Saw an hour video and knew it’s gonna slap.

[@tastiGMmaster2099]

…ok now x3 DDA Shatterstar lists are *definitely* going to become a much more popular way to run Necrons. Drifting arks lets gooooo!

[@patricknorton7701]

Anyone else notice Tankbustas update and New Breaka Boyz in the app after update.

[@brdjones3732]

New Ratlings too!

[@MrDefender1234]

Also phew thank god Fliers got a Pts increase again...was scared I might see one one day!

[@clayandros2038]

Yo custodes bikes are back on the menu, i do wish we saw some point reductions somewhere.

[@alphachurch01]

Good to see buffs for the barely used nids detachment but then they gut the Trygon special rule like what? I can understand the 3" to 6" change which is fine but to also remove use of rapid ingress from it why would i use it then? At least i can attempt a charge from the 9" deep strike instead of do nothing but shoot his bad gun at 6". The niche use case of it is so small they are better off giving a new different rule to the Trygon