This Japanese Combo Leaves Me Genuinely Speechless

[@TheErick211_]

this can easily be beaten by an early surrender

[@TheErick211_]

You avoid the humiliation

[@JanaenLola]

That’s funny 🤣

[@benzerbenzou6475]

Actually it s easily beaten by a well managed very early Feudal All in

[@aaabatteries9948]

and the early surrender can easily be beaten by just uninstalling the game

[@theminuskai7453]

mangudai can easily kill everything

[@dibrown2404]

This felt like a throw from Miriam. This comp seems pretty vulnerable to maa/spear/archer. The army value was almost twice as much for the Japanese player, that is what caused the steam roll He was heavily outnumbered and was way over extended. Just felt like he needed to chill in his base and let the 2 TC cook some more

[@TheBeefPudding]

isnt it myriad? lol

[@KonnorGann]

I LOVE THAT THE 1v1 CONTENT IS BACK

[@apache7delta]

As a JP main, thanks for this.. this Strat is immediately going into my tool box.

[@soapmctavish4093]

japanese civ is in the sultans dlc right ?? then how these players play these new civs like order of dragons ,byzantines or japanese??? even before it was released

[@MacAaron]

​@@soapmctavish4093it was realesed months ago

[@corycosta6257]

@@soapmctavish4093there was a small group with early access for balance testing, but you have to buy it now to have access.

[@nguyenhongquang6397]

@@soapmctavish4093 The DLC was released on the 15th of November 2023. What do you mean?

[@soapmctavish4093]

@@nguyenhongquang6397 Idk i thought it was released just now

[@twin4o]

"It's not a question of if, it's a question of... Sorry, it's not a question of when, it's a question of... " - WHAT!? :D

[@bmoore117]

I think the counter here was simple. make units. Myriad despite having a 30 villager lead just didn't seem to be making enough. A lot of it had to do with rallying them out piecemeal and losing them, but still. Make units + get a keep, to then get network of citadels. At that point men-at-arms + crossbow would have shredded

[@johnnypenso9574]

A keep costs you 8MAA or crossbows in resources + the villagers gathering stone are not gathering gold or food so the opportunity cost is even higher. Building a keep puts you many, many units behind in a game when you are already short on units.

[@olegdragora2557]

Mounted Samurai + Onna Bugeisha is a strong combo for a while, but it is far from being broken and unbeatable. In this game Japanese player had almost double army value of the opponent by the moment of the fight because they stayed on 1 TC, intercepted a lot of reinforcements and saved on Stables. On equal resources Spearmen + Longbowmen will beat this. Later on Spearmen + MAAs + Mangonels, optionally with Crossbowmen depending on the percentage of Mounted Samurai. Or just mass Knights, generally any mixed composition can be countered by massing one unit from this composition. Chinese in particular can also keep up with Yorishiro production bonus using Imperial Officials if they want to compete in tempo.

[@chrisnewtownnsw]

would spears counter ona bugisha with equal resources in a designated fight? As in even if the ona b slightly win they still lost too much gold in order to win?

[@olegdragora2557]

@@chrisnewtownnsw Onna Bugeisha will evaporate Spearmen, because they have extra range so that more of them are attacking at the same time. Interestingly 1 Feudal Onna Bugeisha loses 1v1 to 1 Dark Age Spearman. The Spearmen are there specifically to keep Knights at a distance while other units prevent Onna Bugeisha from diving on Spearmen. This is why Spearmen need to keep moving back and forward to keep them alive to prevent Knights from joining the battle.

[@cardgame98]

there was not enough time to build mass knights, maybe with white tower double production

[@aidieltaufik9954]

Ona only being defeated by landskeinet as chinese no other option you need to use handcanon or ness of beast with lancer or imperial guards or manggonel that the only way the lack is only of cost maybe

[@johnnypenso9574]

Spears will be shredded by the onas and Samurai in seconds. The Samurai deflect the first hit while the onas swing freely behind them. Once the spears are gone it's free game on the crossbows. Alternately you can send the onas to the spears and bring the knights around. The onas will shred the spears in seconds while the crossbows focus on the Samurai. The gap will be closed quickly and the crossbows overwhelmed.

[@Marc-gj9vx]

Lantsneck definitely the best counter to this if you have access to it. Otherwise, archer and crossbow + walls should do it.

[@danthology777]

As an English main, I can confirm that those mounted samurai are nearly unstoppable. Mounted samurai just flatten their counters. Like Drongo mentioned, the only thing to do is get up to gun powered units but it’s easier said than done. I’ve only pulled it off once.

[@MN-mf2bf]

Onna Bugeisha can't melt english MAA since they have 8 melee armor. They would do only 2 damage a pop... MAA + xbow was the right call, but he didn't have the mass

[@johnP0908]

yeah, he's definitely outnumbered on this one. made sense why the Onna's just pushed through the back line. that MAA line was so thin.

[@alekseykosyanenko5996]

Randy can solve this problem :D

[@sledmanyamaha4845]

Very true Randy's solve everything

[@RealShaun]

Mounted samurais eat randy for breakfast though

[@godwinyo5206]

MMA to hold the mounted samurai, lansknechts clump with the archers to hold the onna-bugeishas

[@jeffbrowngraphics]

as english??

[@qt3326]

ずっとイギリスのハラスに耐えていた日本が女武芸者と騎兵をためて一気にイングランド本陣に切り込むさまは感動的だった　3の歴史的建造物がホワイトタワーならできなかったと思うが内政差が開いても諦めてはいけないと思った　いい動画をありがとう

[@stephencook567]

As a Rus player I’d go knights and streltsy to try and counter this

[@codiserville593]

I hope you have a good way of getting that much gold income

[@159donat]

you also need imperial age for that stresltsy

[@leo90au]

When you raised your voice I got epic Warren Smith vibes lmao! 😂😂.

[@CloudCuckooCountry]

Army pop was 75 to 50 and the Du Du was using high-DPS units so the pop diff mattered even more. If Myriad hadn't trickled-in reinforcements earlier and hadn't floated over 1000 wood for like 5 minutes, army pops would have been more even and MAA+spear+xbow actually does decent against MSamurai+OB. Myriad also came forward into the mid-map before the last battle, which put him at a disadvantage because Du Du's army is much faster and can force a fight

[@sxxon751]

I do this combo as a Japanese player, but top it off with the Nehan conversion buff, which makes the ona bugeisha even faster. The counter which I typically loose to is siege and gunpowder units. Ottomans are the worst D:

[@zaramath]

More 1v1 and 2v2 please!

[@jeffbrowngraphics]

Won 5 games in a row last night in 2v2, my teammate using only royal knights and me using only ona-bugeisha, worked like a charm even against higher ranked opponents.

[@HitPointPersonal]

This jp tech has been an amazing addition to my toolbox

[@USHIQUE]

as chineese i have tried mass grenadier against this, its good, BUT zhuxi with their +1 range and 15% damage bonus really melt infantry and knight mobs, Support with some springs with rollertrigger and that was pretty good. Good dmg vs units and vs buildings too. Works in gold league i guess XD

[@jeromemartel3916]

@19:19 Mass knight keeps you alive.

[@ethans92]

Love it when you referencing HON

[@Tom3K_grabarzzzz]

The only thing that comes to my mind that could beat this is knights and in the back line either archer to snipe buggatis or xbows to snipe samurai

[@henrikalo3379]

THERE IS A DINOSAUR IN RED'S STARTING BASE!

[@alierenyuksel2853]

Nowadays I have been seeing malian and japanese duo in 2v2 and if u have any solution to beat them please let me know

[@Kellethorn]

Honestly I feel like if Myriad had rallied close to base way, WAY earlier and then sent spears/(cross)bows in groups of 6-7+, he would have just overwhelmed DuDu way before he could get a critical mass, let alone teched up to castle. Sending in stuff 1 at a time absolutely cost him the game.

[@dota2freaks]

Juggernaut hell yeah from Dota 2

[@TamuSmann]

All your base are belong to us… 2001 song. 1991 game translation.

[@Abraktil]

walls ? like a small defensive village around production like gold and farm

[@darneljones8700]

was surprised why no bannerman?

[@Alun_Fratenity]

What if you go knights and archers mixed with crossbiws?

[@BadMoneyUk]

Landschnek and HRE maa (with heavy maces) would rinse this army comp with equal army value

[@johnnypenso9574]

This would be Samurai and Onas in that case backed up by Ona Musha in castle age. Anyone with any knowledge of the game won't go mounted Samurai against HRE.

[@Spanishflea.]

So nice to see more Japanese games.

[@KaminariRazuren]

Maybe mass archers spears? Idk

[@Marc-gj9vx]

archer + crossbow + layers of walls should do better.

[@hl321662]

TBF Myriad made a big mistake not having full melee armor upgrades against mass bugeisha. Extra 1 armor makes a huge difference against them. The answer to this comp might be knight + spear. Knights beat bugeisha on equal cost and spears helps them trade better against mounted samurai.

[@Adribird]

Archers/spearmen and some english MAA.

[@tattedn9ne360]

Been struggling with Japan keep getting rolled on. I hope this helps

[@Eoin1]

Anything with a decent amount of melee armour handles onna bugeisha, so maa, particularly English maa should excel against them. Imo this is not an op combo. Red just made a myriad of mistakes

[@chrisnewtownnsw]

nah you can see combat simulator KZbin vids where onna bugeisha fight maa and they still win. Maybe against English maa they may or may not win but if they did it would only be slightly better than a neutral trade

[@Eoin1]

In the case of English, I think maa is the way to go. Other civs would have to rely on their own particular bonuses. Playing with them up against civs that get early knights for example has never felt good to me. Ranged units should work against them if they have a meatshield. It's not a straight-forward answer, and they can be a dangerous unit, but they're certainly not as op as Drongo suggests. This game was lost because red threw away all his reinforcements. Bugeisha trail off in the late game too, so if slightly better than neutral trades is all you can get, then it should be enough

[@mnmmnmm]

@@chrisnewtownnsw english man at arms get +2 melee and ranged armour

[@JamesJohnson-kl1eu]

landsneckt wreck it.

[@johnnypenso9574]

Landsknecht have no ranged armour and get absolutely shredded by Yumi archers with cheap cost and much faster movement speed. Once you kite the lands it's game over. There's a counter for everything.

[@sokandoteofar8819]

Mass Knights?

[@falldarerise3707]

im no conq but maybe like you said watch your troop number and play in your base more than in mid but yeah tough combo

[@falldarerise3707]

also aoe4 world is say those melee units are only counter by archers and knights so knights front line archer cross bow back line yeah idk tough to deal with

[@JuanRuiz-vg6pj]

I think with Ayubids you go Camel Lancers and mass archers

[@khaleds.4651]

Dorongo:"this combo is unbeatable" Meanwhile, Camel Archers(needs micro), camel lancers, camel riders(decent), desert riders(oh boy): excuse me?

[@manhkhangtran9501]

(RCQ) Đu Đủ have true nick name MeoMaika ( Mèo is mean Cat ). Vietnamese player.

[@NathanMann-eh3wu]

Drongo, Outback Octagon 3 👀 whens it coming 👀

[@hp1612]

Đu Đủ in vietnamese is paypaya :D

[@codiserville593]

Hah, guess that's fun to know

[@quano5409]

@@codiserville593 It is the clan rule or sth, the [RCQ] clantag is an abbrev of [Rau Củ Quả] or [Vegetables and Fruits] so clan members are all renamed into some kind of fruit or veggie

[@jhndyt]

Good stuff

[@sergeybut3812]

attracting video

[@VanGoHAF]

Baldequins and a castle 😂

[@KobuCake]

MMA + Pykes ? + 1 mangonel

[@GrabbaBeer]

a bunch of great bombards and jans will stop it lmao

[@sirchoob4239]

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[@DragonHeir7]

As Chinese, mass spears + nest of bees?

[@wargumbyx]

in any rts where a>b>c>d you play as a. modern games are imbalanced on purpose because it is easier to make things imbalanced in a new way each patch than to try to balance a game where new content is still coming out (let alone balance it at all) so the easiest thing to do is play what is most broken atm

[@AlVonWolf]

Do more ffa

[@calicogrimm6205]

Randy only. Let’s go.

[@WalrusJones185]

Light infantry heavy cavalry is an obnoxious damage class combo, as you have few real overlapping counters. The best bet I can see is to have a tanky front line and bring counters for the heavy cavalry. Since generally damage is good against lightly armored units even without counter modifiers, but you aren't going to cost effectively trade with sams without anti-samurai units. Without tanky units to block off the Onna Bugeisha (Who would only do 2 damage to armor clad men at arms,) they are going to shred, as there are few survivable light units. So in a way, all fast attacking good general damage units sort of counter light, as they are awful against highly elevated armor. Musofadi warriors I remember when they had good base attack, as their attack speed was also pretty fast from what I remember.... Remember back when they got spammed? They were an anti heavy unit that had that dangerous combo of swing speed and damage, so they hit that natural "But we hit light too" band of attack speed. I feel like HRE, Ayu/Abba, and byzantines also have ways of hard countering this. Abbasid camels counter both JP unit types here, which is honestly really interesting.

[@TraibornGames602]

spears + landSHREKT. thats the answer. Just play HRE xD

[@stevenedwards8073]

Spear nob?

[@justinjones3326]

spear landsknek? maybe counters it

[@ourcade8265]

The only counter: do it yourself lol

[@KaZuYoO908]

is japan actually good?

[@smbintegrated4465]

Mounted samurai are ridiculous. Even with Camels they smoke me i dont understand.

[@adminnvbs9166]

You have to beat the Japanese in feudal age. If you let the game get to castle you have lost already.

[@codiserville593]

That's discouraging to hear haha but I know a bit of how you mean. So then that means you gotta be attacking in under ten - nine minutes

[@VanGoHAF]

Fully upgraded OOTD dominates Japan

[@dankchill]

"This Japanese Combo Leaves Me Genuinely Speechless" *produces speech*

[@RisitasKEKW]

What a name: du du 💩 💩

[@aaronsevivas9264]

Really escalated when Drongo said "He played against 'The same gay'" at about 19:20. Drongo, you gotta be nice buddy. Besides there is nothing wrong with being gay. He probably liked your playstyle. Thought you went hard on him.

[@amirTehrani1994]

Yooooooooooo

[@fabianmorgenstern7778]

the same gay xD

[@codiserville593]

Oh man, gross

[@muratparlak7601]

English just sent too many troops to meat Grinder 😨

[@sholtzi2593]

The combo wasn't really that strong, it was just a numbers game. By 17min Japanese had double the army size, and it literally stayed that way for the rest of the game.

[@VladimirLenine1917]

Day 22 of asking drongo for a 1v1

[@Blender3DProjects]

FFA Pleaaase, every 1v1 is a disappointment compared to FFA when I click :(

[@vicarious_gaming]

no ffa is boring af

[@chrisnewtownnsw]

Yeah I had to leave aoe4 until they fix ona b. The knights don’t counter them as they should.

[@mnmmnmm]

onnabugeisha aren't even op lmao, knights do a great job at countering them

[@chrisnewtownnsw]

@@mnmmnmm nah KZbin search onna bugeisha aoe4. You'll see simulated fights between o-b vs knights and they slaughter the knights