Australian Cattle Dog vs. The Border Collie - Which Is Better?

[@Gingerwalker.]

Well put. I have worked with both breeds. I would say one of the differences I noticed right away is the Border Collie lives to please. The Cattle Dog is more aloof and can tend to be more of a do it their own way dog. We used to have to be careful to not bring too many Cattle Dogs out with us at one time while working cattle in Montana. Because if they started getting a pack mentality they could become too aggressive with young livestock. 2 were about the right number to have out on the range. They could work the cattle wonderfully. But sometimes working with even 3 Cattle Dogs, they would try to take down a running calf and we had to stop them from doing serious injury or worse. They were impressive to watch with the cows. They didn't take any crap even from the Longhorns. To my mind they were just about perfect to work cattle out in the remote western states. I they wouldn't take an BS from even large predators. They are tuff little cusses. ;) I have never had to worry about Border Collies taking things too far with livestock. They can work circles around anything you are herding. Their energy is boundless. Work them all day and they will still go out and work more that night. Sadly I have met several Border Collies that had very nervous natures. They were terrified of everything. Socializing them never helped them. These dogs could only bond with one person and were a wreck around anyone else. I do not know if that is bad breeding or what. I had a Border Collie mix. Some days we would wake up and he would just be oozing around the house. He would be like that for weeks, for no reason. You could be watching TV and glance at him and he would cower like you were going to tear him apart. Then he would be fine for months on end. I never did figure out what trigger that behavior in him. But I have never owned such and intelligent dog. I could tell him to do something he was never trained for. Wham, somehow he understood me and just did it. People used to joke that he was an escaped research dog that had been modified with Human DNA. Because he could just pick up complex things in an instant. On the other hand, what could be simple, he just did not have a clue and was a complete Derp. LOL Every Cattle Dog I have met has been very confident. They seems to have an attitude that they did not care if you wanted to pay attention to them or not. If you did, great. If you didn't that was fine too. Maybe it was because they were hard working ranch dogs and not pets? I don't know for sure. I have never met one that was just a house or lap dog. Both have their appealing sides. Both are smart and hard working. But the intellect in the Border Collie is uncanny.

[@jeffk464]

Border Collies were bred to gently move sheep, cattle dogs were bred to aggressively push stubborn cattle in the heat of the Australian outback. I think the working Border Collies in the US have had their aggressiveness amped up to work cattle.

[@waynewittrock4320]

Sounds like a training problem

[@leomartinez4859]

@@waynewittrock4320sounds like a genetic problem not a training problem

[@TerencePatterson-r9g]

No dingo blood in the Australian Kelpie. I breed both Australian heelers (cattle dogs) and Kelpies.

[@lostcarpark]

I love your conclusion: both are great!

[@seasidedreams6766]

All I heard was border collies and blue heelers are the bestest bois

[@blueskycanine]

Yes

[@MS-tw5qv]

blue heelers are cattle dogs and usually have a black, grey and white spotted coat, Australian kelpies, usually ginger coloured coat and lighter build, are sheepdogs. Both have a bit of dingo blood.

[@roscius6204]

Red Heelers are the same dog as Blues btw

[@harrybyrd2121]

I have the best of both and her name is Gypsy. She is half border collie and half cattle dog. The smartest and most loyal partner I have ever had.

[@Lindaastewart7015]

Pretty sure Australian shepherds originated in the American west.

[@TheFarmersFarmington]

Aussie shepherd yes but this is a heeler it’s part dingo from Queensland

[@RobertHoward-k8r]

My grandad Billy dingo got loose with a kelpie and bluey came to be

[@roscius6204]

Australian Cattle Dog or Heeler... Red and Blue are the same dog.

[@sbnqy]

Border Collies are simply an amazing breed

[@imkingnoobuwu4326]

Bluekenzie ship: why not both

[@saddleridge4364]

❓will either of these breeds jump a three foot fence if they see a rabbit, deer, etc? That's all the fence I can afford , but it surrounds over an acre of play area.

[@blueskycanine]

Most breeds could jump over that. Really would've boils down to his training and teaching your dog a good recall. Unless the dog has a lot of pre-drive from the get-go usually it's not a huge problem

[@quinthblinth7251]

Why is it such an american thing to call an australian shepard for american shepard?

[@MS-tw5qv]

This dog is not Australian, but a combination of an Australian blue Heeler and possibly a border collie.

[@MaddenMagician]

Because Americans are better than you in every way shape or form

[@bert-iq5fx]

When I asked this question in the 1980's. I was told (bs?) it's history called ghost dogs that the natives kept as pack dogs guard dogs and a food source. An Australian gentleman trained one for herding which was recognized by its abilities hence breeding of this dog and given the name Australian Shepherd.

[@jeffk464]

@@MS-tw5qv I think they're a cross between a Basque(kinda a sorta Spain) shepherd and a collies.

[@fishfuxors]

ACDFTMFW!

[@Redwarfa]

I doubt there was any dingo in acd Halls heelers is the book on their breeding

[@roscius6204]

You should see them new born, absolutely no doubt in my mind.

[@Redwarfa]

@@roscius6204 I bred them for the show ring and my dogs half brother,jellendore blue drift,won challenge dog at the royal There was nothing to be gained from the dingo I was also a zookeeper who looked after the dingoes

[@Redwarfa]

@@roscius6204 Willow Park if you want a good one She has bred on from val kirks lines ie jellendore My old boy was 21 inches around the head and 35 kilos lean and fit

[@roscius6204]

@@Redwarfa That's great. None of which qualifies you to a higher authority. As I said check them out as newborn and compare to dingoes. Nothing to be gained by adding the endurance of the acclimatized dog, really... You might be right but nothing you've added proves it. And logically, given where and when Heelers first appear what's the chance of no 'help' from the locals?

[@Redwarfa]

@@roscius6204 I'd like to see them DNA tested,I bet there is an insignificant amount if any Schipperke and other breeds like corgis have a dingo appearance.means nothing