Austria-Hungary's Weird Flag Problem

[@sqwidlord8344]

Except the Hungarians didn’t want to play ball could be used to describe pretty much the entire history of the Astro Hungarian empire’s existence

[@usedtoexist]

Haha pretty much

[@KarthikAyyalasomayajula]

After learning about the Hungarian Revolution can totally see why

[@12zxgglol]

This is way too much quality for a KZbinr with less than 1k subs, great job

[@Squirrelmind66]

It’s stories like these that make me understand why Franz Kafka was so messed up.

[@vojtechkubinek6650]

And also in the Austrian side, most people would also see the flag of their crownland next to the Austriannflag, as the Austrian side was a federation made up of a lot of autonomous lands that could make their own laws.

[@AndrewIrving69]

I liked this. Quick and to the point. Thanks!

[@usedtoexist]

Thank you so much for watching

[@FlagAnthem]

A simplification and identification choice is not a "lie" pretty much as a 1:1 map would be useless. Pretty much as "Austria-Hungary" was its official name, yet I would not argue how "Austria-Hungary did not exist". This said, you would be surprised how pretty much every state entity predating XVIII century, starting from the Netherlands and Russia, relied on merchant ensigns (who I remember are national flag for civilian use at sea). I suspect finally a english-language only problem, for in Italian we don't really make a huge investment on stressing "a" vs "the" flag, we are used so much at different emblems since the Renaissance to us is not a big deal. tl;dr: it is not a scandal, you can relax PS: The Croatia-Slavonia one is contested, as far as I know Hungary never enforced its use outside the domains of St Stephen crown (aka Hungary and annexed states).

[@LocalHeretic-ck1kd]

So basically - its complicated.

[@AndrewIrving-tj6iq]

I didn't know anything about this to begin with but this was quite interesting. Seems needlessly complicated.

[@fruity23]

Underrated af, this channel is going to blow up soon.

[@slonk420]

I'm Hungarian, and I've never learned what the Imperial flag looked like, we just learned about the two Croatia had a separate agreement and policy within the Empire. I thought there was a flag, but this one always seemed sus. Now I know why, and why people use this one. Very informative, to the point video, subbed.

[@danielnoble9214]

dont forget about the hungarian empire, not as good as austria hungary but also sick, love hungary 🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

The hungarians hide the problems they made, lol.

[@OnionIlan]

Im glad someone’s finally talking about this, people need to realize that Austria Hungary wasn’t a single state

[@FlagAnthem]

It was nicknamed the Dual-Monarchy not by chance

[@ColonialTaskForce]

really interesting and true (imo)

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

This is a real flag, just not the official state flag. And Ive seen plenty of people use the Austrian flag, hungarians of the past are propablly annoyed at bough as never have I seen anyone use their flag to reprisent Austria-Hungary.

[@FlagAnthem]

Countries still use different flags for institution representativeness. Back in the day before the radio flags marked who owned the ship

[@rtrident4803]

great video!

[@usedtoexist]

I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[@mrcoder7327]

When you realize the austrians could've created a separate, more cohesive, union with their close cousins to the north....

[@AureliusLaurentius1099]

Pretty sure it was the Prussian who kicked them out. Before that the Austrians were defacto the head of the Germans

[@michadomeracki5910]

One of my favorite countries. Also they treated minorities very well. Polish people were treated well too which can not be said about other parts of Poland under Russia and Germany.

[@michadomeracki5910]

@@DerSchleier What do you mean? What I wrote is very clear.

[@Pro_Fuze]

Magyarisation 💀💀💀

[@michadomeracki5910]

@@Pro_Fuze We Polaks were under Austria so it might have been different for subjects under Hungary.

[@PeterPeter-pr2hi]

I'm not trying to whitewash the history of Austria-Hungary as I am well aware that they (especially the Hungarian part did some pretty messed up stuff, like forced assimilation, but when you compare it to other empires in the same era, I doubt that you can genuinely say it was that bad. We all know how the British and French treated their colonies, the Belgians also did unimaginably horrible things in the Congo, the Germans commited a genocide in Namibia, the Russians practiced forced assimilation in a much worse manner, and the less we talk about the Ottomans, the better. This can be seen as whataboutism and a way to excuse the atrocities of Austria-Hungary, both of which I'm not trying to do. It's just that Austria-Hungary is often negatively portrayed as a backwards empire that didn't know how to treat its subjects well, basically living in the past, when they did some pretty progressive things, and minorities, while not treated well, weren't actively persecuted like in most empires. What I'm trying to explain is that it wasn't an EVIL empire, it was a normal empire, which did the same bad stuff empires did, but a lot of good stuff too. Still doesn't mean us Hungarians should completely whitewash its history, which sadly, a lot of us do. It seems like when it comes to us and our beighbors, you can either see Austria-Hungary in a black and white way, instead of it being morally gray.

[@michadomeracki5910]

@@PeterPeter-pr2hi The entire history of all humanity is full of violence and bad stuff. You can connect any neighboring nations and there would be countless attrocities between them. No empire has treated everyone well because an empire needed to conquest territoties in the first place. Polish- Lithuanian Commonwealth was very tolerant and even they did some atrocities, history is too brutal and too long for anyone to be a saint. If a nation in the XIX century was too weak to survive alone then sorry but you needed to be a part of an empire and Austria- Hungary was the best for it's subjects. I am happy that we all are independent now but if we look at the history then our situation wasn't bad. All western and south Slavs lived under Austria in the XIX century, this is our Slavic history.

[@colegilbert673]

So we know that the commonly used flag to represent the dual monarchy at the time was simply the black-gold austrian flag, but since we confuse that with the austrian empire, the civil ensign, despite having never been used by the state itself, still represents the country best- it has two halves, an austrian half, and a hungarian half.

[@FlagAnthem]

it was not "simply" the black-gold, a range of flags, this one included, was in use.

[@luisduron2722]

??

[@zacharysilver911]

I can’t believe that people still like to LARP about bringing the absolute mess that was the Habsburg Monarchy back.

[@FlagAnthem]

you have no idea...

[@WombatCombatPatrol]

maybe next time you make a video SPEAK UP

[@cassiephipps7449]

Do you not have a volume button?

[@jackpatyt6809]

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