Author Vikram Sampath & MP Shashi Tharoor Speak To Rajdeep Sardesai | India Today Conclave 2021

India Today Conclave 2021: Author Vikram Sampath & MP Shashi Tharoor spoke exclusively with Rajdeep Sardesai and addressed the session: 'Bulls in our Memory Shop: Debating heritage, history, hubris.' Watch the full session.
India Today Conclave 2021 Day 2: The second day of the India Today Conclave 2021 will witness another round of entertaining and thought-provoking discussions by some of the most renowned personalities from India and across the world. This time, the theme of the summit is #ABETTERNORMAL. The summit, which is taking place at the Taj Palace, New Delhi began on October 8. The last leg of the Conclave will present to you the world's most celebrated thinkers who will collectively seek a "Better Normal" for humanity. Among the speakers are Assam Chief Minister Himanta Biswa Sarma, Indian Army Chief of Staff General MM Naravane, actors Sanya Malhotra, Pankaj Tripathi and Richa Chadha, farmer leader Rakesh Tikait, and Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates.
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[@aniruddharao8735]

The fact that Shashi Tharoor is less partisan than Rajdeep in this debate speaks volumes about Rajdeep

[@ramalingamsadasivan2835]

So true

[@capm_alive]

💯💯

[@kangafinancial6319]

BRILLIANTLY PUT.

[@Chen-gl9hm]

So right.

[@MrKrazyKK]

Absolutely

[@avucadont]

J Sai Deepak vs Sashi Tharoor done Vikram Sampath vs Sashi Tharoor done Now just Anand and his 30 seconds would be enough for game set match. 😂

[@adityajoshi1586]

It would have been interesting to watch but he won't share the stage with Swamy because the latter got too involved in the Sunanda Pushkar suicide case

[@swapnilgurav6879]

It would be exciting to see Tharoor and Ranga sir together 😂

[@SamvedIyer]

Tharoor would have then scored a hat-trick of being outperformed.

[@avucadont]

@@SamvedIyer true 😂

[@avucadont]

@@swapnilgurav6879 absolutely 😂

[@TheYoungsten]

I personally find Vikram brilliant, Shashi as usual and Sardesai was just flexig. The arguments by Vikram are true and they make sense , even Shashi would have agreed to it but yes politics like always will come in and ruin evrything.

[@TravellingSapiens]

"We must reclaim history from Delhi", so rightly said!🙏🏻

[@VikramShetty1502]

Rajdeep, Bro…. Sometimes it’s better to be mistaken for a silent fool than to open your mouth and prove it as fact!

[@prakharvishnoi1543]

Very true

[@farazrayaankhan]

What a shetty comment

[@whocares3132]

Also he is so loud because empty vassal.

[@msrashmi08]

I couldn’t agree more!,

[@asmita3928]

He is paid for it by India Today

[@ravi10sharma]

The panel is like 2 congressmen vs a Historian.

[@sureshpolali4616]

Now whole India knows.

[@acharya8959]

Tharoor is making his points and apply that to what Sampath was saying that is different. Sampath is saying face up and move on. Tharoor is saying don't face up and we'll move on. There's a load of difference. Tharoor like liberals hate inconveniencing minorities even if the surgery is a requisite to move on. Tharoor like most historians he's justifying is a victim of Coloniality. I wish he wasn't. And rightly he's a congressman. We can't move unless we know and accept the truth. That's hate for some, logic for others and unnecessary for the rest. You're entitled to your opinion but not your facts. Face up, accept events and results for what it is and move on. Truth will pop up until and unless you do.

[@harryrredf]

@@acharya8959 true

[@harryrredf]

@@acharya8959 you've put it very well

[@harryrredf]

this comment is important for ppl who consider shashi intelectual, historian

[@preetsandhu2844]

Vikram Sampat a true historian, he should asked to write History for our schools

[@samh1821]

He is a closet sanghi

[@tejasshinde56]

@@samh1821 so what ?

[@soumeneconomics]

First time see, a person who is debating with Tharur with such confident and elegance.... Salute u Vikram

[@saumitranath187]

Please watch mr shashi debate with Jsai deepak ji

[@sriduttlanka6475]

@@saumitranath187 was expecting this reply😂🙏🙏j Sai Deepak hammers the coffin of Shashi Tharoor 😂😂it was amazing to watch!

[@saumitranath187]

@@sriduttlanka6475 😁😁

[@999titu]

J sai Deepak debate

[@dellnar1]

Sai Deepak and Vikram Sampat represent the new breed of articulate spokespersons of Indic civilization that can take on the likes of Sardesai and Tharoor with elan. Their erudition and intelligence is amazing.

[@Jhaaninc]

Nope not INDIC civilization but भारतीय सभ्यता or Bharathi culture! There's no such thing as INDIC civilization!

[@dellnar1]

@@Jhaaninc भारतीय सभ्यता को ही अंग्रेज़ी में Indic culture कहते हैं। Sanatana Dharma, Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism and other faiths and cultures that are rooted in Bharat are referred to by this term. सर्वे जन सुख़िनो भवंतु।

[@Jhaaninc]

@@dellnar1 thats where ur mistaken sir, In no way is INDIC equal to Bharat! English is a very funny and an incomplete language remember that! The English cannot pronounce the alphabet "H" when it occurs in a word! That's another thing to remember! The Arabs were the predominant traders with Bharat and they used to refer to us using the river SINDHU which in fact means river in sanskrit, which later was colloquially referred to as Hind and people living there as Hindi which to this day is in use in the middle east! So there u go then the Greeks with their Latin roots wrote HIND, HINDI, HINDU collectively as INDO! Which led to indi then india and as INDIC now! So u see this is a very recent phenomenon what maybe 100-200 years old! But Bharat is the oldest living Civilization in the world! 🔱🕉️🥚🙏💪🇮🇳💪🇮🇳💪

[@adityaacharya1799]

You mean govt propaganda?? Since when modi bhakti and changing history is indic civilization??

[@Jhaaninc]

@@adityaacharya1799 there's no such thing as "indic" civilization it's a word made out of desperation stemming out of frustration by becoming or supporting an unelectable! Now that's a word! UNELECTABLE!

[@kvsshankar1723]

Vikram Sampath was just brilliant and light years ahead of Shashi & RS ! And Shashi was very dignified and graceful! Rajdeep sounds stale and outdated! Excellent session.. perhaps the best @ conclave….so insightful listening to Vikram Sampath.. God bless

[@arulsammymankondar30]

There is a flipside which was not revealed: The Dalit issue articulated by Ambedkar. Old history cannot be minimized to Hindu- Muslim binary. In Tamilnadu, the Dravidian politics is foregrounding it in a clumsy manner. I have not read VS but if he has ignored the Dalit issue, then his stand gets vitiated. He cannot stand on a moral high ground , Ignoring this soft underbelly of India. Assuming, the Hindu-Muslim binary is settled in favour of the Hindu, the very same scars that the right wing is banking on will come to haunt it. Against this scenario, the question is what is profitable for the masses: economic growth or settling scores? P.S : I am not a leftist.

[@Suresh_Kamath]

Really!!! What are you smoking,? Can I have your saffron tinted glass?

[@chaitanyach3003]

Rajdeep competes himself to get humiliated on every forum.

[@Suresh_Kamath]

@@chaitanyach3003 The only person humiliated was vikram Sampath. He was pathetic.

[@ankur.mahajan]

@@arulsammymankondar30 Do read Vikram's book. He has clearly provided reference to Savarkar's vision of casteless society.

[@uvtitcakrya]

Rajdeep lack in manners, I must say! I can literally understand now, why people don't take him seriously at all.. 🤐

[@adityaacharya1799]

Yes that's why we watch mannerful people like arnub , sudhir etc.

[@vipinkumarupadhyay8042]

And that evening Rajdeep got a piece of bread which RaGa left in his plate!

[@cataclysm2943]

Naah bruh..itni ijjat kon dega dalle ko..*"rajdeep got a piece of bread which piddi left in his plate".

[@vishwassingh268]

Shashi Tharoor must have told India Today not to invite Jai Sai Deepak Again him..

[@na4369]

Hahah otherwise he would have been exposed

[@nivedithajags]

Hahahahhaaaaaa

[@swapnilgurav6879]

Missing Jai Sai Deepak, he would have exposed both Tharoor and Sardesai.

[@pam4840]

SJ would have roasted and skewered rajdeep turkey and plated it with chilli sauce and a fork by its back.

[@rohansaxena5606]

Lol

[@sajal4567]

Dr. Tharoor's insistence on forget the past and move to future is not the correct thinking. History always meant to - Learn from the mistakes of predecessors and not repeat them Learn from the successes of past and relate to present situation as guidance. The Idea of India was suppose to know the faultline in our society, our strong religiosity and improve as a nation by making truce with the present.

[@rajkishorebehera7489]

If this tharoor guy would have made same arguments for native Americans that he made for native hindus of India,he would have been called a racist bigot and a right winger and would have been hounded away by american leftist into oblivion but here in india we hindus tolerate these kind of jokers among us

[@acharya8959]

Tharoor is making his points and apply that to what Sampath was saying that is different. Sampath is saying face up and move on. Tharoor is saying don't face up and we'll move on. There's a load of difference. Tharoor like liberals hate inconveniencing minorities even if the surgery is a requisite to move on. Tharoor like most historians he's justifying is a victim of Coloniality. I wish he wasn't. And rightly he's a congressman. We can't move unless we know and accept the truth. That's hate for some, logic for others and unnecessary for the rest. You're entitled to your opinion but not your facts. Face up, accept events and results for what it is and move on. Truth will pop up until and unless you do.

[@harryrredf]

true

[@sidrockx95]

@@acharya8959 Furthermore, a congressman would never want the majority population of the country to know truth about the atrocities on them, right from Islamic invasions to the British rule. Because when they do (which I am hopeful of), they'll stand even firmly to protect what is left of real Hinduism. And that is major problem for leftist parties like Congress who play on minority votes!

[@abhissri6666]

Mr. Tharoor was trumpeting in UK that Britain should own its past- reimburse India for the British Rule; He will go ahead and support America facing its past - Slave trade BLM etc. ; but he is so conflicted that now he is saying the opposite is true for India- we should never learn from our History. Gods have rightly punished him- condemned as a low level courtier in a dumb prince's court

[@raiakil]

oh my god. What flamboyance from Vikram Sampath. He dfntly put into words, what we all know in our hearts

[@sidhamunithombre4504]

When two good intellectuals talks and give brilliant arguments, its very irritating to see Rajdeep arguing with his non sense

[@careertalkswithsagar3443]

There is something about substance over style. No matter how articulate and eloquent you are, If you dont have substance with you, You will fall flat !

[@rajkishorebehera7489]

oh absolutely this wife killer tharoor wouldn't dare to deminish the significance of genocide of native Americans by European outsiders but when it comes to native Hindus he is happy to do so,shows the kind of bigot he is.

[@ShijinNair87]

Very true

[@DEVAN133]

True

[@badangle9085]

@Rahul he would be cancelled, if he spoke his mind

[@yogeshgoel6268]

Send all sickularism fans and opposition leaders to live in kashmir for just one year, they will never teach secularism benefits to us again.

[@pritesh0117]

Vikram Sampath, J Sai Deepak and Rajiv Malhotraji should be invited to all the conclaves; their name alone will get you the views! I am eagerly waiting for their books from Amazon! Can’t wait to read it! :)

[@chanakyadevil]

sampath and deepak yes, rajiv malhotra is a stupid man.

[@ramdev4537]

@@chanakyadevil why would you say that?

[@chanakyadevil]

@Amritdhara108 I really don't need to do anything, he himself is a walking example of his own stupidity. find better role models

[@chanakyadevil]

@Amritdhara108 c'mom bro this is the same guy who posited the idea of setting up a trust so that people can transfet their money from one life to the next. RM is a cuckoo uncle with no nuance and informed takes and has an abysmal understanding of religion and history.

[@ashwanikhandelwal3729]

@@chanakyadevil Rajiv Malhotra has played a huge role in spreading RW ideas. His books are way ahead of time and exact depiction of reality. No one can match his efforts in taking one on one battles with westerners when majority of India was suffering from Inferiority Complexion. Hindus in US were busy pleasing their white masters. He is the one who has turned the table and created some kind of equilibrium.

[@rahulmajumdar4020]

This is the first time I see a Historian stopped in between his speech and a politician being asked to be honest...... Sad reality of media

[@krishnakumar-oy3ur]

Vikram Sampath is a gem🙏 He calmly devastated the leftist historians.

[@veydkurup9746]

This was 2 against 1. With all due respect to Dr. Sampath, J Sai Deepak would've took them both on very easily.

[@ssandeep740]

That is the reason for his arranged absence from this debate or so it seems

[@acharya8959]

Tharoor is making his points and apply that to what Sampath was saying that is different. Sampath is saying face up and move on. Tharoor is saying don't face up and we'll move on. There's a load of difference. Tharoor like liberals hate inconveniencing minorities even if the surgery is a requisite to move on. Tharoor like most historians he's justifying is a victim of Coloniality. I wish he wasn't. And rightly he's a congressman. We can't move unless we know and accept the truth. That's hate for some, logic for others and unnecessary for the rest. You're entitled to your opinion but not your facts. Face up, accept events and results for what it is and move on. Truth will pop up until and unless you do.

[@litondas9479]

Mr. Rajdeep won't allow Mr. J Sai Deepak in this platform, as he knows that people will make roasted video clips of Rajdeep after the end of the program.

[@independentnationalist1740]

He did a fairly good job.

[@rohansingh8444]

cuz he is a lawyer

[@bhnuc]

"TRUTHIFYING" the history. Hats off to Historian Dr. Sampath.

[@benverdict4503]

Bhakts need the true education, you need re-schooling to be well and enough educated to know the true facts, you should not be too emotional idiot that to get appease by the means of religion or community on the basis for false history which suits your communal taste.

[@bhnuc]

@@benverdict4503 I am a Bhakts ? Wow!! Thankyou calling me that. The bhakti of lord is one of the highest virtues a man can have according to Shri Krishna in Bhagvat Geeta. You seem ok with Marxist "historian" version of our history. Wokeism is disease. But thats not your fault. you are also the product of the same education system, dr. Sampath is talking about. When in first 15 years of your life you read that we are a defeated civilization this self loathing coming out in comment is self explanatory. I have sympathies for you. On truthfying the history front, let me tell you it is bound to happen, with historians like Dr Sampath on the helm. You just weep in the corner. Learn to live with it . Understand? 😎

[@vippartis]

Who reads history in our country when tens and millions of people for centuries kept away from education on caste discrimination and crores remains as illiterates or semi-literate even today , in 21 st century. They are all best to be moulded and lure for votes using the religion of their liking irrespective of facts of history. That is India.

[@meerasarawat6209]

Give me ONE name of RSS GANGSTER who died fighting the BRITISH? LALA LAJPTH RAI was a CONGRESS LEADER who died in LATHICHARGE by British Police. PARI BEWA was a Congress worker who died in POLICE FIRING in Eram Odisha in QUIT INDIA MOVEMENT in 1942, KUSHAL KONWAR was a freedom fighter of Assam and an ardent believer in GANDHIAN principles, who was hanged till death by the British in 1943 for his participation in QUIT INDIA MOVEMENT. GENERAL MOHAN SINGH and Major General SHAHNAWAZ KHAN were the senior-most and the FOUNDING MEMBERS of the Indian National Army of Subhash Chandra Bose. Both, General Mohan Singh and General Shahnawaz Khan (maternal grandfather of Actor Shahrukh Khan) joined the Indian National Congress after independence and both of them were Congress parliamentarians and General SHAHNAWAZ was a Minister in the Congress led union cabinet. BATUKESHWAR DUTT, a right-hand man of BHAGAT SINGH did participate in the QUIT INDIA MOVEMENT in 1942. Therefore, don't comment on topics without proper knowledge. Vikram Sampath is NOT the only historian on this planet. All the facts that I have mentioned, can be verified".

[@meerasarawat6209]

@@imfree6215 A fake profile delivering lectures on MATURITY!

[@laavanya9584]

Loved the discussion. Agreed - to read multiple perspectives, multiple views, from multiple sources on a different range of issues makes you a more informed person and citizen.

[@t1621]

*I DON'T KNOW WHO IS THE MODERATOR HERE😂😂😂. THAROOR IS DEBATING WITH RAJDEEP & VIKRAM SEEMS TO BE STUCK BETWEEN TWO POLITICIANS*

[@kamaldas886]

Sardesai wasn't even needed. Shashi and Vikram were enough to enlighten us. Sardesai was just the interupter rather than anchor.

[@KumarSangeeth19]

Very True..

[@ayush3927]

😂

[@harisadu8998]

Sardesai was there to try and steer the discussion back to Shashi Tharoor's terms and territory.

[@basavaraju2405]

The difference is clearly visible as one politician is try to defend his master as loyal slave unable to express his inner thought but on the other hand another historian present the true picture fairly without any fear.

[@yievekhoruho8062]

Author Vikram is Super We need him in the New India with young India . . Way to go 💪💪💪💪

[@ManjuSharma-ou3ty]

So informative video. India is looking forward and moving ahead with speed but we shouldn’t forget our past and definitely not the traitors who had harmed us in past . I don’t agree with Tharoor and Sardesai that we should let our past go. Our today is linked with our past.All the achievements and the failures should be known by this generation so that they know the strengths and the weaknesses of their ancestors. We can’t let and allowed other people to decide and tell us about our past events . Thanks Vikram Sampat .Politely you put all the point truthfully and without getting intimidated by these two known anti national and distrustful people .

[@pam4840]

Every discourse on Indian history just angers me as I lost countless hours learning utter distortion from Marx historian.

[@ShijinNair87]

Me too

[@glennex0077]

Its fiction not history which u read in textbooks

[@TanujRBVKumar]

Me too.... hours of irrelevant, whitewashed briefs without a soul of a nation

[@vampire5678]

You are not the only one. 😔🤚

[@meughosh280]

Yes...when i was in school I used to think....why we were so dumb? Are we really this much dumb...but now I know I just waste my time for those so called book!

[@varunkhugshal9049]

Dr. Tharoor is very articulate usually but vikarm takes the cake here.

[@sureshpolali4616]

This is the problem. Sashi Tharoor's English is superior and we are STILL in October 2021 getting attracted towards English only. When he said Your version of the truth and my version of the truth in beautiful English we all liked it. Tell me, does TRUTH has many version ?. TRUTH is truth only and always one. This too many arguments on history to suit their version was there is there and will be there. 400 years from now Sashi Tharoor may be described as a freedom fighter or the person who upholds Hindu values or something else. Can we believe all are the truth of some version?

[@varunkhugshal9049]

@@sureshpolali4616 i agree, truth is objective not subjective. What Shashi referred to as truth are pieces of truths, and also as politician, he had to do the fake virtue signalling.

[@Himdas]

@@varunkhugshal9049 problem with today we love "hate" more than "love".. Coz love is boring but hate is exciting & entertaining.. And that's why media houses are also feeding us with Coz that's what is selling.. Absolutely Constitution gives us the road map to fix all those wrongs of the past when our republic was not even born but instead our politicians continue us the history esply dark ones for their political benefits..

[@varunkhugshal9049]

@@Himdas history is memories of society, memories makes us who we are, without history there is no present, if you'll go to therapy , the counsellor will start asking you about your childhood , to know the source of trauma , india that is bharat needs to acknowledge the traumas of past, understand there source and understand what needs to be done to make civilization feel secure so it won't repeat again. Or we'll just remain stuck in past, there is no way around it.

[@littleLightLamp]

Mr Tharoor used the quote from Sadhguru.

[@puneetpuri2758]

Sampath really hit it out Of the park, Shashi has found a counter part. Lovely discussion

[@ankitoza1983]

31:05 did he actually say “the so called invasions of the Mughal” ??? Cannot believe he is still not acknowleding it…

[@vramana2011]

That's probably why India Today retains him.

[@capitalist9441]

Vikram is a historian, the way Rajdeep was talking with him as if he is a BJP spokesperson is really bad. Rajdeep needs to learn manners.

[@piyushprasann6636]

Problem is not that someone is inclined to an ideology that too when Rajdeep is unproclaimed Spokesperson of Congress.

[@ramalingamsadasivan2835]

True

[@sharadsaraswat4856]

Rajdeep don't diserve to be a journalist. He should join congress.

[@piyushprasann6636]

@@sharadsaraswat4856 why join ? When you can get all the privilege and profit by being a non member .

[@kamtew]

True . Rajdeep is Modi hater and want see every debate from Muslim angle. These guys are communal than the people who want truth to be out/

[@theWorldOfIss]

This debate was 2 VS 1 in which vikaram totally dominated 👑

[@sudhadhulia5509]

Great discussion!! Vikram is amazing!!!Rajdeep like always pushing his agenda though he failed in it miserably. It's so heartening to hear the youngsters taking interest in history n reclaiming it.

[@LAGtrr]

People who don’t know their history, specially of the positive changes brought about, can’t imagine what the future would hold.

[@jivasrocks]

Wow Vikram Sampath! The man is so interesting to listen to ..Tharoor along with Rajdeep take the opportunity to spew their anti Modi politics

[@benverdict4503]

Oh now I understood why most of the bhakts are praising the Hindtuva chootiya Vikarm by the means of Historian because he is written on the Kayar suvvarkar, and why Rajdeep is trolled on this conclave because once Rajdeep asked the true question with Modiji, LOL

[@secularhindufrom1976emergency]

@@benverdict4503 bura lga librandu ko... Ro mat hota hai

[@aniruddharao8735]

The fact that this debate started with Vikram Sampath arguing for multiple viewpoints and ended with both Shashi Tharoor and Rajdeep Sardesai asking for the same, kind of shows how Vikram Sampath basically won this debate

[@acharya8959]

Tharoor is making his points and apply that to what Sampath was saying that is different. Sampath is saying face up and move on. Tharoor is saying don't face up and we'll move on. There's a load of difference. Tharoor like liberals hate inconveniencing minorities even if the surgery is a requisite to move on. Tharoor like most historians he's justifying is a victim of Coloniality. I wish he wasn't. And rightly he's a congressman. We can't move unless we know and accept the truth. That's hate for some, logic for others and unnecessary for the rest. You're entitled to your opinion but not your facts. Face up, accept events and results for what it is and move on. Truth will pop up until and unless you do.

[@aniruddharao8735]

@@acharya8959 I get what both sides have said throughout the debate. My point was that when the debate began, Sampath was the one who was asking for multiple viewpoints to be allowed to be shared while later, as the debate moved on both Sardesai and Tharoor, unable to match Vikram's points, brought out the victim card and tried to use Vikram Sampath's language against himself.

[@independentnationalist1740]

Agreed.

[@jayeshmohite8570]

Mr Sampath put very good point. You can't move forward without wounds healed. What our historians did is they not only hid the history but put in such a manner that they made invader heros. Today's technology won't allow you paint only your story. When Hindus of India learn what happened to their ancestors they do feel bad. And when they see those oppressors getting honored in the same country because of false history, they get angered. Mr Tharoor's argument that they lied in history in order to content hatred is not right. How come Jews of German don't hold grudge against current generation of Germans? History is written to keep the device and rift alive among different sects of Indian societies by selfish and cunning powerful people.

[@acchha]

Dr. Sampat has given a clear and absolute identification in his first minute about the personality of Dr. Tharoor an people alike (I respect Dr. Tharoor though).

[@lakshyashishir9718]

*Here Shashi Tharoor Ji was the moderator and debate was between Historian Vikram Sampath Ji and Congressman Rajdeep Sardesai*

[@singhparihar8530]

Accha gadhe

[@sravanvedala7811]

Lol 😂

[@sravanvedala7811]

Lol 😂

[@shreshthdogra4632]

Very true 👌

[@roopanaik5942]

100% spot on

[@KumarSangeeth19]

Rajdeep has only one thing to exhibit. His Anti Modi face….This man attack PM Modi, whenever and wherever he gets a chance. Tharoor can speak and write good English . There it ends. Vikram, good work. Keep Going…

[@SamvedIyer]

@@Myfitnessjourney24 Because Tharoor won accolades not for intellect, but for his stylish and eloquent exposition at Oxford (some of his claims were suspect, by the way). The youth of this country are truly gullible.

[@deepaksjihs]

@@SamvedIyer exactly asking reparations from British is practically impossible. They won’t pay a single rupees back. He is good with his vocabulary which most common Indians don’t understand and that’s about it.

[@deepaksjihs]

@@Myfitnessjourney24 I don’t think he was stuck in Tharoor’s English

[@t1621]

@@jattmoosewala83 *he is ur father for sure*

[@meerak90]

"Is religion the determinant of our nationhood?" Those who thought that created Pakistan and those who did not believe that stayed back in India, says Tharoor. But what about Hindus who thought that religion was the determinant of nationhood? They could not have gone to Pakistan! What did they do?

[@a-44sahilmasal55]

I believe today we know them as 'bhakts'

[@meerak90]

@@a-44sahilmasal55 Never mind now. The issue is about then. If Muslims believe religion is the determinant of nationhood, they will be given one to run as a theocracy. If Hindus think that derogatory epithets will be hurled at them.

[@pradeepsharmajk018]

Thank you Vikram Sir for standing with truth

[@avucadont]

So Vikram Sampath talking about intolerance during Congress rule and giving the example of Mangeshkar is whataboutery but Tharoor randomly bringing up the 'forced to say jai Shree ram' rhetoric isn't.

[@chaitanyans3185]

Vikram Sampath- 1 Shahi Tharoor- 0 Rajdeep- -1

[@subhashdhaka56]

Rajdeep - ♾️

[@kangafinancial6319]

RUBBISH THAROOR 1 VIKRAM 1 AND RAJDEEP IF THERE WAS NEGATIVE MARKING

[@surajitsarma1782]

🤣

[@shashankp4988]

😂😂

[@vanitagupta9785]

Vikram Sampath-10

[@examdiary6368]

Rajdeep is trying to show that bhai I am also intelligent 😂😂

[@AbhishekSharma-gi6eg]

Loved every word of this conversation.....it's an intellectual delight to hear all three of them.....

[@vineetmourya2297]

This shows that Mr. Tharoor learnt nothing from his discussion with J. Sai Deepak sir.

[@piyushprasann6636]

Good Things take time brother.

[@sureshpolali4616]

Sashi would have cross checked before sitting there and ensured. JSD is not there.

[@MNAIRism]

Thooral is too arrogant to want to learn from his missteps and you can’t ask a liar on duty to recant.

[@piyushprasann6636]

@@MNAIRism it's not his personal problem. That is at the root of every follower of Nehruvian Consensus who think that only they are the legitimate claimant of the Constitution and the idea of India. That's how their arrogance come on surface in a elite pronounciation of English

[@sravanvedala7811]

The moderator should have been someone with greater credibility and better education. Unfortunately Rajdeep Sardesai appears to be barely educated and more than that he trained himself over years to spit out large amount of words and sentences that doesn’t have any soul or value, he can speak too much without adding any value.

[@miku1408]

Rajdeep went to Oxford

[@anshulmehta1603]

@@miku1408 Trust me if you are rich and mediocre at studies. It's not really hard to go to Oxford. Rajdeep has no analytical skills.

[@ramdev4537]

But he gets the job done. He attracts viewers. Many including me are here just to watch him get whacked by the guests.

[@independentnationalist1740]

@@anshulmehta1603 Even if he has got good analytical skills, where is the credibility? Oxfor or no oxford.

[@debashishmohanty4798]

Arnab would have been best

[@vidyutkumar9925]

The best discussion I have ever listened to. All three are great scholars, so rational and highly intellectual. Thank you India Today Conclave.🙏

[@nishantchoubey7685]

All three? Excuse me? Are u referring Mr Sardesai as an intellectual really?

[@officialsanathani4555]

If Muslims were bad 500 years ago, why does the Muslims of today suffer? Valid point. Similarly, if the Brahmins in TN were (supposedly bad) bad in the past, why should they suffer today ?? Why has your party support so much of reservation in TN then ???? Sashi please answer?

[@pv5730]

TN is one of the most advanced and productive state in India. Reservations are for Hindus and Brahmins in TN are doing fine. Don’t try to smear my state.

[@officialsanathani4555]

@@pv5730 It is my state as much as it is yours. Like Pakistan has dwindles hindus, TN has dwindled brahmins. Most of them have left TN does the STUPID periya and DK politics. Wake up and smell the coffee

[@pv5730]

@@officialsanathani4555 Political views are always going to be different between us. I understand you support Hindutva politics. I disagree with that. If Dravidian politics is so bad then why does TN have some of the best development indicators in India along with Kerala? I do not support blaming Brahmins for everything in TN. I hope you do not support the BJP when it blames Christians for everything. Regarding demographic changes firstly there is no evidence to back your views. Listen to Subramion Swami. Secondly people will choose what religion they want to follow and where they want to migrate to. They may want to live in USA. It’s their choice. Christians don’t follow Christianity in the West. It’s their choice. Hindus and Muslims are growing in every Christian dominated nation. It’s people’s choice. Your argument is simply childish and Moronic.

[@AT-gk7ib]

Rajdeep, as always, is a spoiler and interrupting stooge. Rather then facilitating derails any sane conversation

[@sureshnair1]

But far better than our "Nation wants to Know" man.

[@AT-gk7ib]

Rajdeep and better??? He doesn’t seem to remember even basics of journalism. More like a commentator or a party spokesperson! No comparison with any other other journo!

[@HR-du4tt]

@Vishal Khera he is not. Just india today considers him.

[@yogeshgoel6268]

Send all sickularism fans and opposition leaders to live in kashmir for just one year, they will never teach secularism benefits to us again.

[@rjs2124]

Love both of them Tharoor and Vikram, love to see such debates in Parliament. Tharoor was Great but Vikram Sampath has taken the Prize. And Rajdeep was shite as usual.

[@amarjeetshukla8047]

Vikram ji tussi great ho... Great knowledge ❤️🙏🏻

[@pulkitagarwal890]

How can a senior journalist be so naive? Rajdeep is clearly pampering his hidden agenda.

[@SABNISTANMAY]

Great discussion between a true historian, a politician and a reporter who can only look at everything from a political view.

[@aniruddharao8735]

How was any of Vikram Sampath's points "whataboutery"? He's speaking of fixing today's issues that were caused by actions of people in the past. How is that "whataboutery"?

[@mithunmadhav4364]

He just meant tht "y did u do this? " needn be answerd by "cz tht day, long bck, u had done tht". He meant, both the incidents are wrong. And not to wound again the scars to prevent bad from hapeng today. We shouldn do a mistake, as a counter to mistake. Rather improvise and develop. Thts absolutely a harmonious prospect.

[@prigee]

@@mithunmadhav4364 Its still not "whataboutery". Sampath actually made valid and really excellent points in the context of that discussion.

[@rajkishorebehera7489]

If this tharoor guy would have made same arguments for native Americans that he made for native hindus of India,he would have been called a racist bigot and a right winger and would have been hounded away by american leftist into oblivion but here in india we hindus tolerate these kind of jokers among us

[@acharya8959]

@@mithunmadhav4364 What he said was we need to face up with the history and facts without bias and sentiments. Those who want to brush it under the carpet will say it's whataboutery. What else can these proclaimed liberals say?

[@amols101]

How about fixing soaring inflation, unemployment, petrol diesel price, sorry state of universities in many states, criminalization of politics, poverty rate, women's safety etc??? This gentleman wants to rake up some very old things which most ppl wont care about now, possibly to suit a political narrative. There are much more pressing issues for an average Indian.

[@aravindansridharan819]

The thoughts of Shri Vikram Sampath are very much crystal clear. Presented in a polite, gentle, but in a precise and concrete way by Shri Vikram Sampath. Thanks

[@azharbandri4778]

Excellent conversation! Vikram Sampath, knowledge house of history. Dr. Tharoor, progressive mindset. Rajdeep, asked questions that was supposed to be asked in this conversation.

[@rupeshpadwalkar3794]

Agree about Vikram & Tharoor. But Rajdeep seemed bit out of place as moderator. Yet we still need ideal as a moderator.

[@aniruddharao8735]

Shashi Tharoor's "...centuries before our republic was even born" reeks of coloniality. This nation did not come into being on 14th Aug 1947. The Indian republic has survived for a long time in various forms and spread under various kings, queens and other leaders much before the British "cobbled together a nation". The fact that we have pilgrimage sites and yatras all over this sacred land respected by all Hindus is a testimony to this.

[@GamerZone-ii5zt]

@@jattmoosewala83 the concept of a republic was already there. Mahajanpadas were one manifestation. Also, the Mahabharata clearly defines the Indian identity basis some geographic markers. Idk what you're talking about

[@GamerZone-ii5zt]

@@jattmoosewala83 then your knowledge of history is limited my friend. Many of these republics were made of chieftains elected by people, much like the present parliamentary system. Also, Mahabharata has mentions of southern, eastern and north eastern kingdoms who took part in the war are clearly mentioned. Dravida, kulinga, chola, tulinga, andhraka, mahishmati, gomantak, konkan, pandayas, kiratas, manipur, pragjyotishpur - all took part in the war. This is what happens when you try to become an expert without reading the original text 😂😂 maybe, your McCaulian education didn't teach you properly about your own country. Also, what you're talking about is a linguistic/ethno-linguistic nationalism, which is nothing but modern day western nationalism. What Mahabharata and Ramayan...and even other ancient scriptures talk about is ethno-cultural, ethno-social identity of india उत्तरं यत्समुद्रस्य हिमाद्रेश्चैव दक्षिणम् । वर्षं तद् भारतं नाम भारती यत्र संततिः People should read, before they claim expertise on social media platforms 😂😂

[@a-44sahilmasal55]

India has failed to be a complete comprising of the boundaries that we as see as india today. There were republics but unified under one banner as a nation

[@GamerZone-ii5zt]

@HEAD HUNTER# blah blah blah 😂 Read the Mahabharata. It clearly talks about Manipur, Tripura and Pragjyotishpur (Assam)😂 Don't make a fool of yourself when you claim expertise on something

[@deepaksjihs]

The politeness of Vikram is applaudable especially when Rajdeep keeps interrupting him. His tone, body language and words speaks a lot. Rajdeep starts jumping as soon as he hears something that he disagrees with

[@DineshKumar-dx1es]

Too good Prof Sampath you are the best. I have never seen Dr Tharoor so helpless..

[@pranavbhardwaj909]

Thankyou for this wonderful debate. I miss the times when debates and discussions were not a boxing match but an opportunity to fill gaps in our own viewpoints. I enjoyed listening to both the speakers.

[@aniruddharao8735]

Isreal, having already come to terms with their past and the atrocities commited against the jews being recognised all over the world can take a stand to neglect history. India and Hindus are finding it difficult to speak about the atrocities committed against them even within India. Given such a situation, neglecting history would only lead to its repetition

[@TanujRBVKumar]

What you is the bottom line of the purpose of History. If we apply cosmetic treatment rather than truthifying, then the deceptions would lead to the repetitions of the past and worse the holocaust. This fear of holocaust may be seen as abstract fears. But the best way to prevent such an eventuality is total awareness of the lessons of the past.

[@munishkmittal]

Vikram Sampath has destroyed tharoor and sardesai on facts. They were cutting him short and changing topic again and again. Well done vikram to defend other point of view

[@pragyansutradhar6904]

Author Vikram sampath is an wise person 🙏😊 I only listen him in this whole conversation and I agree with him 🙋🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🌹🌹🌹🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🌹🌹🌹🌹❣️

[@nandakarnam9272]

Learn from History - as they say, history repeats if neglected!! Two opinions emerge from this- do you want to be prepared when history repeats or do you make sure it does not repeat ever!! Choice is yours!!

[@sanjivgupta1418]

People like Rajdeep come unprepared and talk loudly baring their poor intellect.

[@independentnationalist1740]

He came prepared but basically without credibility and conviction ...so you look like this only ..pathetic.

[@wenkateshbanda7064]

rajdeep useless fellow and he think he is intelectual but he have monke's mind

[@non_done]

Sardesai. You can't have a Hitlerpur in Israel same way you can't have such tyrants names in India.

[@thejasvia8338]

Truth will always hit us back if we don’t accept it, learn from it ( specially the many mistakes), and reconcile with it, for the betterment of peaceful & thriving future.

[@AshokKumar-wi9ut]

Very very brilliant Vikram, sorry at age 80 I did not know him, I must in next Week or so read all that he has written. Tharoor is great, but Vikram is no less.

[@Friendly1234554321]

Vikram Sampath ..clear thoughts.. now a days mr Tharoor sounds more like a politician rather than a writer / intellectual ... Please be true to you sir..its my opinion..

[@Gkris18]

11:40 : Shashi, the axe forgets. The tree remembers.

[@dr.vvijayalakshmi2000]

What an excellent debate! Just loved watching Vikram Sampat's views which have so much clarity and truth.

[@elasticaneesh]

Vikram Sampath....wow!! The real intellectual and historian.

[@usefullness7963]

Instead of biased type secularism, we want great pluralism where everyone has logical and democratic thought.

[@mithunmadhav4364]

Very very true. Tharoor said the same. His view point is very different and equally more correct than his party. Vikram when saying "u people did it 20yrs ago n nw u cant stop this narrative n ask every1 to be open, clearly shows wer he stands. " Tharoor was absolutely in the centre and deserves applause for his thot process and willingness to express the same

[@rightinthefeels3798]

@@mithunmadhav4364 who is stopping the multiplicity of views today? One point of view which was cancelled in the past is making a comeback. Why this intolerance towards that view? Mr.Tharoor thinks he is clever saying I welcome all views but not the views that may be detrimental to my vote bank. I am a history buff but let's forget history and look at future. What rubbish arguments are these!

[@mithunmadhav4364]

@@rightinthefeels3798 his vote bank, is kerala and in kerala issues are education, financial security, jobs n development. Leave "godly" things to god only.

[@rightinthefeels3798]

@@mithunmadhav4364 Bullshit or Cow-dung! Whatever you prefer!! 1) He doesn't represent Kerala 2) His agenda is not development or jobs 3) He is accused of killing his wife 4) Good articulation doesn't mean logical

[@mithunmadhav4364]

@@rightinthefeels3798 1) he is mp from kerala. His vote bank is kerala 2) he has done enough for his constituency and has been re elected from the same 3) he has been declared innocent by the court. 4) ur logic might be non sense for me. And the same applies to my logic fr u..

[@AT-gk7ib]

Vikram Sampath was so articulate, eloquent and forthright!

[@samin096]

He thinks Hindu Kush is skull of Hindus - seriously? The name is 3000 years old at least and stems from its harsh climate.

[@AT-gk7ib]

@@samin096 Hindu kush means the place where the Hindus’ heads were ‘jibah’ meaning beheaded. So he is absolutely right

[@Valkyrie1941]

@@samin096 yes .. what else what's that place was called for

[@gokuUD]

This is totally wrong no one hates son just because his father did something wrong. They hate the son because the son always defends his father and walks on his path. ( I hope you got it what I want to say.)

[@manojag2522]

Well said VK, I will definitely buy and read your books.

[@bharatpandit4796]

Shashi Tharoor’s eloquence is misplaced and, hence, wasted!

[@baljitkler9947]

Big time

[@suparnabanerjee7971]

Read 'History of Aurangzeb' and 'Shivaji and his Times' by one of the greatest historians,Sir Jadunath Sarkar.Brilliant book of high scholarly value

[@jigggro]

Agreed.

[@rajendraprajapat1774]

Vikram Sampath is very sensible, he understands the problem because he sees history as it actually is. And so he should be consulted since he actually understands the problem.

[@anupsheoran5289]

Why forgive? Neither we will forgive, nor we will forget. We will and must kick asses back now when we can do it !!

[@MrKrazyKK]

Just finished reading ST’s Inglorius Empire… I thought he was very reasonable in the book, he even criticized Gandhism in the book. I think he totally agrees with Vikram secretly because he is smart but he tries too hard to look centrist in this debate.

[@edelweissquadros4370]

Can history ever be 'truthified'? You yourself talked of the Blindmen and the Elephant...historians like the common man do not live in a vaccum so will always be affected by politics and although Vikram kept saying he is not biased politically, the bias showed. So, what students of history need to be exposed to is multiple points of history...every human being has good and bad sides to them, thus no person specially a historical figure can be only good or bad...let's accept that. How many Indians who studied history in India know that the great emperor Ashoka was lost in Indian history and rediscovered by European scholars? So, no race in history was without blemish...let's know that and then we can accept all of history.

[@user-qb6il6xz4e]

@@edelweissquadros4370 1. You can't judge Vikram's idea completely in this debate in which the anchor is debarring him all time by asking him to be political directly and indirectly as well... To know his genuine idea, you need to read his Savarkar's biography in which he displayed and discussed all the contrasts of his character justifiably... 2. Well I don't agree on you argument abou Brits reviving Ashoka... I belong to his capital city of Patliputra, now Patna and his charm spread all over the nation and the world with Buddhism, his messages were found in rock edicts, the Sarnath pillar, the Ashoka Stambha...etc. were there themselves as the witnesses of Ashoka and his ideals... British historians like HG Wells might have praised him at some instances but beliefs like Brits revived Ashoka is a pure exaggeration..!!

[@sarveshp1727]

Vikram Sampath is very polite, he could have destroyed them with facts but he chose not to. The problem is Vikram sir even though you don't side with any party the leftists will identify you as a right winger unfortunately.

[@acharya8959]

He chose not to be the OP hindu he is. J Sai doesn't hesitate to demolish. When he's here with Tharoor, Sardesai will know that Kshatriyas are popping up to demolish liberals soon.

[@deshabratadasgupta6021]

Vikram Sampath said rightly, do the ' Fact Check '. He got much less time according to the other both got together representing the same cause gently or strongly. Vikram Sampath opened our eyes in many aspect and was in the right logical point, not like other 2.

[@p.9094]

When true was in your side no one can beat you. Vikram great job.

[@divyanshumishra6739]

Well well, after Sai deepak interaction with tharoor in which he have completely outflank, outfox and outarticulated him so much that tharoor has to put weary smile in his face. And now vikram sampath have completely demolished with extreme brilliant choice of words, launched canonballs from front so much that tharoor had to agree with him on most facets and iam sure congress workers will not like that..

[@Anand-ze3ev]

Hahaa.comeon boy..sai Deepak seems frustrated and desperate all the time..what historians need the most is decency because even they don't know the source they are referring to is 100 Percent authentic

[@abhisheksrivastava2688]

@@Anand-ze3ev I hope you even include Tharoor into it.

[@Anand-ze3ev]

@@abhisheksrivastava2688 Tharoor talks with much more decent tone than sai Deepak..sai Deepak all the time tries to thrash the person having different idea from his ..

[@jmodi8087]

Joke. Sanghis love to twist history...

[@luckygarg9315]

@@Anand-ze3ev do you like vikram sampath or he's also rude ?

[@vikasm4449]

Dr. Tharoor has become a political troll with good articulation.

[@coolandy1979]

26:30 - Wounds are not healed by suppressing/ glossing over facts but by an objective study of facts to the extent possible and learn from it and in that respect history as a discipline should not be burdened with the additional responsibility of lending a moral hue to all it's discoveries.

[@trideepranjanlahon3290]

Vikram Sampath had given the example of Ahom history.. Ironically he didn't mention that Aurangzeb army chief was a Hindu Rajput Ram Singh.. He even not mentioned that in d Anglo Mysore war both Nizam n Maratha helped d British to fight d war against Tipu Sultan.. He rightly said that history should be looked beyond rightist n leftist angle 😃🤣✌

[@sidrockx95]

Historians having the freedom to write their own books is fine and all, because there's only a fraction of people interested to read about it to be honest. BUT, the real need of the hour is to introduce correct history in schools. Change those NCERT texts, let the children know about the truth right from childhood! The Hindu civiliansation is the oldest in the world and there is a reason why we still are here! And that is something to be proud of rather than being ashamed!

[@abhinavr8402]

Take Rajdeep out and this conversation automatically gets improved!

[@independentnationalist1740]

Rajdeep in his body language and otherwise looks to be ........some one who has no conviction but basically HMV ..so no credibility .

[@GopiKrishnanz]

Absolutely. If only there was an auto-mute option every time he speaks or an auto fast forward .. 😎

[@deepaksarmah8043]

Vikram got some reasearch ...real and live....rather than other two "playing a record"which is now out dated...keep it up Vikram...👍

[@mohankrishna4413]

Appreciate for his eye opening arguments of Vikram Sampath ji. Sasi tharroor as usual , appeasing mentality .

[@rishabhverma2675]

Rajdeep seems to be still unhappy of Ayodhya Verdict. Move on Rajdeep.

[@DheerajKumar-sf6ts]

Only j.sai Deepak can handle the fool like Rajdeep Sardesai .But he is not called in this conclave because he is able to give them befitting reply.

[@narayaniyer3761]

Dandh bandh ho jaayega yea news channel ka

[@Sam-1972]

True

[@devjyotijana1692]

I think mr. Sampath has done wonderful job here.

[@venkateshsundaresan8737]

Hypocrisy of Rajdeep. He was talking about history with multiple voices and is so condescending on a movie announce on Nathuram Godse. Why can't you be tolerant to that point of view?

[@amarnathjamalpur2518]

Beautiful talk. Enlightening. Thought provoking.