Autodesk Inventor Tube and Pipe

Rather long video on Autodesk Inventor Tube and Pipe 2015. Check the blog as well, will be posting detailed instructions of the techniques shown here.
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[@kvzsmith]

This is the best Pipe Run tutorial I've seen. I've had trouble getting it to work but your video explains all the things I couldn't figure out. It will take me some practice runs to get this down but I'm going to work on it. Thank you so much!

[@pozitronk]

This is probably the most informative and helpfull tutorial about T&P out there! I began learning Inventor recently and if it wasn't for this tutorial I wouldn't be able to design piping routes correctly and efficiently! Thanx alot Adrian and keep it going!

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

pozitronk thank you so much for the nice comments. I do recommend that you watch some of my other videos, like construction lines for T&P, pipe clips, tee branches or dynamic route editing (this one is posted on Chris Benner's blog - another great resource for T&P with Inventor) (kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6m1k6Wjabtqb6s)

[@randywetzler5976]

Adrian - Nice job putting all this together, appreciate your passion and hard work! This is the most informative video I've come across on T&P. Thanks for sharing.

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Thank You *****, Please check the blog for new stuff, will try and do another video on advanced T&P, as soon as time permits. Doing it late in the night I never thought this video will have the impact it did. Would love to hear what problems you guys struggle with so I can try and help you out. Stay connected on G+ for more info as well.

[@Jamieemmart]

I really appreciate this video Adrian. Especially the tips on constraining 3D sketches. I had stopped using them due to constraint issues but now I can!

[@gujexp25]

thanks Adrian. i learned lot through this video. please keep posting.

[@angryralphs2516]

Wow. This is so advance. Thank you so much for this.

[@najlan2000]

Thank you sir.. great work.

[@As-gd7ms]

channel, I want that soft to be the sa in other desired channels without having to go there and doing manually.

[@alirezafarshad4701]

Hi Do you know how to Polyethylen PE pipes in our designs?

[@joseenriqueyanes1093]

Thank you from Venezuela

[@alexrose1786]

By the way , Awesome Video !! keep doing more like this , very educating .

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Alex Rose thank you. It’s in my plan to do another long video with more advanced stuff, tricks, tips, and everything that I’ve gathered since this one was done. Don’t have a time frame tough so check back and make sure you watch some of the other videos, like pipe clips, branches, etc...

[@Rogoznica100]

Finally a video that is awesome and explains routing perfectly! I started learning inventor recently as well and will try doing this. One question I have is I noticed when you do your routes and when you populate the route it adds a coupling in the place for the ball valve? What will it say in the bom? Also do you have any videos showing how to place couplings on top of the pipe? Thanks

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

+Rogoznica100 Pipe segments, elbows, couplings are populated automatically. Depending on your active style you can get flanges and gaskets as well, but instead of the coupling you can have any fitting that has 2 of it's connections 180 degrees apart. Nodes in the route will generate fittings which can then be replaced by other fittings like tees, valves, etc. You can drop a valve or any fitting in any part of the route and it will generate a new node there but you then need to go inside the route and constrain/dimension it so for speed I like to create my nodes ahead and drop my valve on the node later on. Does it making sense? Check my blog for more posts and the youtube channel for videos. Lately I haven't had time to do videos and due to personal problems, no blogs as well. www.blog.ads-sol.com kzbin.infovideos

[@gumarragnarstefansson4646]

Thank you very educating keep up the good work

[@gujexp25]

I have steel pipe with butt welded stub end flange. It is bolted to same type flange that is butt welded to pipe nipple with threaded end to connect female threaded valve. In short (pipe + flange) bolted (Flange + nipple). How do I do this type of connections. All valves are threaded. What type of style should I use?

[@choromillan]

Thanks for the lesson. Excellent work.............

[@wolfgangbeez9622]

seriously helped thank you!!

[@ChipBreakerGroove]

Incredible. Very helpful, thank you!

[@KuntayERENOGLU]

thank you so much Adrian.

[@johandegreef3846]

Thank you for the video tutorial. If it possible to share those T&Pstyles and CC parts using it. It would save so much work for us. BR

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Hi Johan, They are all in content center. Look for DIN 0863 and if you can't find them make sure the DIN libraries are attached to the project and. Let me know how that goes.

[@johandegreef3846]

@@AdrianSalariu-ADS I am looking for HDPE materials. Any recommendation for those?

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

I will check later on but I am certain I don't have any HDPE elements in my library.

[@DudesWazap]

Great job mate!

[@johandegreef3846]

Hello, when creating a route with mutiple co linear pieces, you get a coupling?, at each node. What do you do with them after design is complete?

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

That coupling comes from my TP style. I have defined the connector field and it helps me place elements quickly there. As I know there should be some elements on the line there (valves, strainers, tees, etc.) I feel it's better and more visually easy to have a coupling rather than a split pipe. I can then drop a valve on top and have the coupling changed. It is difficult to select the node, or to drop a fitting on the node, but it is easy to drop it on top of an existing fitting like the coupling. There is another setting which would bring in a coupling and that is the maximum pipe length in your TP style. Inventor will add a coupling when max pipe length is reached. So if your pipe vendor can only provide 6m lengths Inventor can add a coupling for every 6m of a straight pipe.

[@johandegreef3846]

@@AdrianSalariu-ADS I have a pipestyle with butt weld checked as it is a stainless steel pipe, but if I go over 6000mm length, it gives me an error (MAX length) Shouldn't there be automatically weldments palced everey 6000mm by T&P?

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

That is a difficult one and most likely not implemented by Autodesk. I think it only splits if you have defined a coupling. You can define a "no bodies" fitting with "0" gap but you still need to publish it and declare it in your TP style.

[@mits1990]

How are u able to tag your components with a tag number? We are know making our equipmentlist manually which is alot of work and could lead to faults.

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

+Mitchel Stottelaar The only way to tag equipment was to use assembly browser name. It is unique to each occurrence (component) and while a valve can be used 100 times in the assembly and reside in library (read only folder) you can change the browser name in the assembly and give it an unique ID. Start with this post where I am explaining this concept and the setup of custom balloons in the drawing. blog.ads-sol.com/2014/08/component-tags-in-inventor.html Then read the update on tagging from the assembly, which might be faster/preferred by some people. blog.ads-sol.com/2014/10/part-tagging.html Then there’s the final code to use in the drawing which merges both codes and creates the balloon on the drawing and renames the assembly browser node. If that component (eg. Valve) is tagged then it’s getting the current tag. blog.ads-sol.com/2015/02/component-tagging.html Good Luck, ADS.

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

+Mitchel Stottelaar I should mention that it is possible to create a custom table to extract tagged equipment with any iproperties you wish along (eg. PN, Description, Stock Number, etc.) here's how to create custom table: blog.ads-sol.com/2015/05/custom-table-on-drawing.html and here's how to edit a Parts List table: blog.ads-sol.com/2014/08/info-table-in-drawing.html

[@cyrusIIIII]

Thank you, Adrian.

[@peterarontasnadi4581]

Hi Adrian! One question: why did you use LOD rep. instead of using only view rep. in the drawing env? Maybe for the correct QTY number in the part list? (pre Inventor 2017) Thanks!

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

QTY is not affected by LOD. In fact you need to create iAssemblies for that. You are correct, in 2017 Design View filters on Parts Lists can affect quantity (display all / display for visible only) Here's a post on how to do that: blog.ads-sol.com/2015/07/documenting-tube-and-pipe-spools.html and here's my recommendation on drawings and LOD's (which I am sure you know allready) blog.ads-sol.com/2016/02/one-lod-to-rule-them-all.html I had a slow laptop at home and I needed to keep the memory load as low possible. Against my practice here you should only have one LOD per drawing, especially for large assemblies.

[@peterarontasnadi4581]

Thanks Adrian! Now I get it... I thought it was some kind of secret workflow trick... :)

[@johandegreef3846]

Another small question, Can you do Flanges with welding collar? Or just a flange in 1 piece?

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

A single item can be specified in Flange field of TP Style.

[@iskv7okhgvwsqcsqcsq270]

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[@omarkassamalhennawi3752]

Great tutorial. Have you ever done a water cooled panel? How do you manage to model the 180 open elbow?

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Omar Kassam Al Hennawi thank you for the kind words. Haven't done any water cooled panels (heat exchangers?). Not sure I understand what the 180 open elbow is; the Tee and branching in Inventor is not allowed but there are workarounds. One would be to leave a gap and don't connect the branch nodes, another might be to use a construction line: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXS6gqhrfNqYm5I and the third would be to populate the route first making sure that the pipe doesn't intersect with itself and then edit the route and connect the node to the main segment. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2Szd32Xeq-ljsk

[@kariazo]

Thanks for this useful video. Could you please tell me where do you use to download these GF ipt files?

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Hi, try this : www.gfps.com/country_US/en_US/downloads/3dcad.html You should have complete sets în STEP format

[@kariazo]

@@AdrianSalariu-ADS Thanks a lot for your promptly and serviceable response!

[@ThomasT1976]

Do you have a video about making the pipe styles and how to export them? I can only export/import one at a time, not a whole bunch.

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Thomas, I usually group several styles into a single section, however you can export the WHOLE of Pipe with Fittings or Tubing with Bends, etc. Here is a screencast. autode.sk/2j3gCHR Good Luck and follow the blog, lots of tricks for which I didn't have time to do a video. Later, ADS

[@FernandoPicazoCervantes]

How do you make the comand bar apear when you do the place fitting? Thanks, the video was so helpful!

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

I am not sure I follow you r question. I've got several things ticked on to speed up my workflows. Tools / Application Options / General tab, I have "Show command prompting (Dynamic Prompts)" + "Show command alias input dialog" + "Show autocomplete for command alias input" and then on Tools / Customize / Keyboard tab I have "Use default multi-character Command Aliases" to make it work just like in Autocad.

[@FernandoPicazoCervantes]

Thank you!

[@73p3ro]

Fernando de qual barra você está perguntando?

[@FernandoPicazoCervantes]

Check out the minute 34:06 when he wrote "PF". As he said "Show command prompting" should be ticked on to see it on the screen.

[@candysmayo1752]

Great video!!! I have never worked with the parameters before, any idea of how I can download any typical standard pipe fittings used?

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Hi Candys, There are a lot of fittings already available in Content Center. In the project manager window, lower right corner you will find a button to attach / detach libraries. Make sure you have at least the Tube & Pipe and Parker fittings library, then attach whatever standard you use . I have added both ANSI (us) and DIN (german) because, being in uk we get to work with both of these.... ANSI has the ASME BPE fittings used in Pharma/Dairy and DIN has the UPVC fittings like the one in my video. Then I recommend you ask your suppliers to provide a CAD library. In UK I have downloaded all of Georg Fischer as well as Durapipe, Gemu valves, etc. Here are some links where you can find parts online. blog.ads-sol.com/2016/01/content-library.html# Good Luck

[@irfanpathan8250]

Helpful format Thanks ....

[@satishdenied]

how to make different pipe sizes , i can only apply same pipe size, once i change the pipe size every pipe size was changing.

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Satish, this is a common misconception. Each style can only have one size. You need to create a style for each size you need. Made this screencast on how to export multiple styles, Watch the ASME BPE category carefully autode.sk/2j3gCHR Later, ADS

[@kairosmajorgroupe4535]

Merci pour ces commerntaires

[@alexrose1786]

It looks like it populated automatically after you finish the sketch ? is it complex to create auto-route library based on downloadable parts ?

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Alex Rose The elbows, tees, unions, couplings, pipes are specified in the style dialog and get populated automatically. They need to be CC family components. The closest match you will find in CC in form or DIN 8063 and there are quite a lot. Do a search for DIN 8063 in content center. Make sure you have the library attached to the project if you can’t find them.

[@peterarontasnadi4581]

Awesome! Thank u!!!

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Thank You Peter! It means a lot to see that you guys appreciate my effort. I know the video is not he best but I was doing it late in the night while streching long hours in the office.

[@eartheartbaratheon791]

How can I add an extra node to an already populated route when the route was derived from a 3d sketch? I mean, the option to add a node is there when you create the route using autoroute or the 3d orthogonal route tool but when it's based ona 3d sketch it's unavailable, in the 3d sketch you can't just add a point to imitate a node and you can't delete a line segment to alter it cause it won't repopulate it.

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Not sure.. Have you tried dropping a fitting on the populated route?

[@eartheartbaratheon791]

@@AdrianSalariu-ADS ​I just tried that. It won't work. The dynamic tooltip says something along the lines of "Can't insert a fitting to a derived route". It's sad, without it using a 3d sketch as a routing tool looses all ofits charm, unless I'm doing something wrong.

[@eartheartbaratheon791]

Meh, I sort of found a solution. You actually have to alter the 3d sketch geometry (break constraints, shorten lines, etc.) to have actual line segments created (adding sketch points won't cut it). Then (only if those segments satisfy the pipe settings) you need to edit the route, choose "derived route" tool again and add new line segments to selection set. Inventor will create generic fittings, which you can then easily replace. Would've been much less tedious if we could divide a line at point...

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Glad you found your way round it. I have changed jobs and haven't used TP in the past 2 years. I wish Adesk would release a help or manual for TP based on someone looking at the code rather than, how the module was designed to work. They should contact people that use it every day to document the tips tricks and pitfalls.

[@eartheartbaratheon791]

@@AdrianSalariu-ADS I guess the resources are out there, but they are so scattered around and hard to navigate it's sometimes quite hard to find the exact options or workarounds you need. Thanks for taking interest in my question. Cheers!

[@JohnFekoloid]

Thanks so much. This was great. Though I tried to use download parts just like that and got stuck. I had to author and publish them first before it worked like yours. IV2014

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Hi John, if you've downloaded parts from my blog then they are (most of them) 2015 or newer so you won't be able to open them.

[@novakmarjanovic3634]

Great

[@donstevens7847]

Thanks for the info!

[@jhonedisoncastro9423]

MR ADRIAN, I WORK IN A WATER PROYECT, SO I NEED THE SAME TYPE OF VALVES LIKE YOURS, WHERE I FIND IT, CAN YOU HELP WITH THIS LIBRARY. THANKS...

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Hi Jhon, Being lazy I will just copy the answer I usually give: " The fittings are Georg Fischer and if you create an account you can download the whole packages (complete files for ABS, PVCU, PVDF, etc.) cad.georgfischer.com/ Head over to Data Packages, Click on PVC-U, select STEP or DWG, English or Deutch and you should have 5 zipped parts to download. We also use Durapipe, and if you create an account www.durapipe.co.uk/technical-support/cad/ you can download some of the 3D files as well. "

[@jhonedisoncastro9423]

THANK YOU SO MUCH MR ADRIAN ...

[@alexrose1786]

The first link gives an 404 error . those libraries are built for auto routes , or they are just 3D model like the parts on traceparts.com? Thanks Again

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Alex Rose Type this into your browser: cad.georgfischer.comThey are dumb parts unfortunately. I have imported and authored them but didn’t bother to model them into content center families (CC). I have a text document with their location on disk and I use copy-paste to browser to them in the place fitting dialog box.

[@hassanekonate8373]

Hi Adrian, very good job. But a bit Advanced for me.Do you have a video for beginners?Thanks again.

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

I am afraid I don't have any intro videos. This is an entry kind of video but it does expect one to know how to start and setup a TP environment. What is it that you struggle with? what questions do you have? you can find me on Autodesk forum, same username "salariua" and if you have any questions I suggest you post them there and call me out with @salariua the reason for posting on the forum is a bigger chance of getting an answer if I am busy and don't have see your question in time.

[@hassanekonate8373]

Thanks Adrian for your answer. What I could not understand is setting TP styles and then, importing them with parameters. thanks in advance for your support!

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Hassane KONATE Those are 2 different concepts. Saving styles in XML and exporting / importing parameters from XML. There are two ways to preserve your style so you can you reuse them. You can either add them to your template tubing pipe assembly or you export import using XML format. I don't like to save them in the template because it makes the file heavy and I need to migrate maintain and make sure to move to newer versions of inventor. XML import export allows me to import a style while still keeping my template clean. And I don't need to worry about changes when I upgrade to a newer version of inventor. Parameter import export is a common thing in inventor when you're trying to transfer parameters from one model to another. I have created an empty part and created a lot of parameters in it that have dimension my fittings. For example how much space an 1" elbow needs or a tee, or valve, etc. Then I have exported the parameters and import them when I do 1" route. They really are two different concepts, you can skip creating parameters till you get the hang of TP

[@hassanekonate8373]

Thanks a lot Adrian. I really appreciate! I think I need to learn more. Thanks again !

[@alexrose1786]

Where do i get those PVC fittings in inventor , that's exactly the style im looking for . found many iso styles ,but none of them is like that , Thanks

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Alex Rose The fittings are Georg Fischer and if you create an account you can download the whole packages (complete files for ABS, PVCU, PVDF, etc.)cad.georgfischer.com/Head over to Data Packages, Click on PVC-U, select STEP or DWG, English or Deutch and you should have 5 zipped parts to download. We also use Durapipe, and if you create an account www.durapipe.co.uk/technical-support/cad/ you can download some of the 3D files as well.

[@mastory58tv]

Thanks for the awesome video. I cannot understand how to use the database. I can't make it work :(

[@topdirtbikezone]

Thank you for this. I am working more with the tubing, but it still helped. I have a question. Is it possible to delete the route? I want to delete some routes, but it doesn't even give me delete option. Any thoughts?

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Don't try to select multiple routes, instead pick one at a time and right click on it. When choosing delete it will prompt you if you want to Additionally Delete: Fittings and Segments of the Selected Route Segments of the Selected Route Multi-selection commands don't work, please vote here on the Inventor Idea Station. forums.autodesk.com/t5/inventor-ideastation/tube-and-pipe-overhaul/idi-p/5518269

[@topdirtbikezone]

Adrian Salariu Thank you. One more question. Can you constrain part (for example valve) to route? It doesn't work for me.

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

topdirtbikezone If the valve is authored, which I would, then it can be inserted or connected in the route. Here is a getting started manual, look at page 130, Fittings. www.academia.edu/5111862/Autodesk_Inventor_Routed_Systems_2010_Getting_Started Use connect to constrain it to adjacent geometry and insert to place it in between existing elements. I would NOT use constrain on the top level assembly and then constraining the tube and pipe to it.

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[@valerioxu6509]

HI,I find it very useful your video , But I've encountered some problem, I can't modify the dimension of the pipe ,even though I set a different value ,the pipe remains the same?

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Valerio Xu Is it just that pipe ? or more items are having the same problem. Are your files checked in vault (read only)? Is the folder/files read only? Is the assembly on Defer Update (Manage/Update/Defer Update)? Is the tube and pipe assemlby set to Defer Update (right click on the T&P assembly in the browser and choose tube and pipe settings, verify that "Defer all Tube and Pipe Updates" is not marked. Get back to me if it's still not playing up.

[@valerioxu6509]

Adrian Salariu the "defer update " is off, In the company I can't do it,now I am at home using my computer ,it's not working neither. I just created an arbitrary pipe,and the size modification is not working What do you mean by saying the files are read only?

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Valerio Xu How do you modify the pipe size? Do you right click on it "Change Size"? Do you change the size of the route in Tube & Pipe Styles? You need to create a separate style for all your sizes. A style can only have one size. Copy your style T&P Styles, choose a different name and size and then you can use it inside your route.

[@valerioxu6509]

Adrian Salariu yes,I simply right click and change size. but I want to change only one segment of the pipe.Do I still need to create more styles? I manually change the sweep sketch, but every time I move o edit the pipe, it goes back to the default.

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Valerio Xu Right clicking on a pipe segment and selecting "Change Size" should do it. You don't need to create more styles but you seem to edit a tubing with bends correct ? In that case you might want to give us a vote on the idea station because that's not possible at the moment: forums.autodesk.com/t5/inventor-ideastation/tube-and-pipe-overhaul/idi-p/5518269 Here's how to fix it: Right click on the segment Change Size so that the parameters update in the part. Open the part up (pipe segment) and edit sketch 3, constraint the circles and dimension the outside circle as OD and the distance between circles t or whatever the parameter names you have for pipe outer diameter and pipe thickness. Come back to assembly and change size again to verify that the segment updates NOW.

[@bramruijter8222]

Hi Adrian! Enjoyed your video! I see you constrain your routes plane by plane. Is it possible to use the "Ground and root" command instead? could be a time saver.

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

Unfortunately not! It's only main TP assembly that can used with Ground and Root. I use this command so often that it's mapped to "GR" on my keyboard. Runs and Routes are adaptive and cannot be grounded, and in fact you get an error message....but I am opened to suggestions. I started writing ilogic code to help me with this, but I haven't done much piping lately and got side tracked on other things.

[@bramruijter8222]

Hi Adrian, if you open the main TP assembly, you can ground & root the runs in there without the error message. In my first tests it seems to work just fine. On the other hand, maybe you can help me with this little problem: Can i relocate the start and end of a flexible hose (without connectors in the style) in this autode.sk/2obgR7m video you can see were i get stuck. Hope you can help. greetings, Bram.

[@AdrianSalariu-ADS]

haven't seen your video yet, but have a look at this blog of mine (no time for youtube videos) blog.ads-sol.com/2015/06/inventor-tp-edit-hose-connection.html Thanks. Adrian

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