Avatar 2: The Quest For More Money

[@Kimbolie12]

The biggest thing that irked me was at the ending during the big boss fight the whole water tribe joins Jake to attack the ship. Then when the space whale attacks the ship and it explodes the whole tribe is just...GONE?? Did they see the explosion and just think nah, this is too much, let's just leave the tribe chief's daughter behind and disappear? They could have made it so easy to rescue all of the Sully family. Even my dad, who normally doesn't notice this stuff, audibly said: "wait where the fuck are the green aliens" in the theater.

[@someguardsman]

Exactly!!! God, this movie was hard to watch because I was constantly asking myself stuff like this! They threw so many story elements at you that just didnt matter in the end, or were introduced and promptly vanished (like the tribe attacking in your example) that it ended up distracting me and taking me out of the experience. This whole movie felt like they worked off of a sloppy 2nd draft of the script. Hugely dissapointing.

[@wrayday7149]

That is just the smallest issue..... they spend like 30minutes of the movie wasting our time talking about how it's never right to go to war and killing is wrong no matter what...... one dead sea cow later /WAAARRRRRRRR!

[@normalgraham]

That's what I think a lot of blockbuster directors lose sight of pretty often: the audience gets extremely bored very easily and once the novelty of an action scene wears off you're just sort of trapped in a room with a bunch of loud noises. Your mind starts to wander once you realize the plot will remain static until the scene concludes, and you start to pick apart the logic out of a sort of resentment that wouldn't exist if the action was kept more terse. It's a balancing act that throwing more money at the project tends to exacerbate than mitigate

[@canisrip3201]

I'm also pretty sure like at least 2 recoms got literally axed and at least one shot trough the head at their first encounter. ..yet 5 of the 6 still rapel up to the samson/helicopter afterwards anyway? Like where tf are the stakes? I even saw only 1 water navi die in that last battle, and they capture the damn kids like 5 times in a row without even scratching any there's 0 stakes anywhere in this movie :/

[@Loki_Yogi]

"Runs around making 'Taliban' noises" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I damn near choked on my food when I heard this.

[@AteshSeruhn]

I read your comment before reaching that point in the vid and still did exactly the same thing.

[@fractalfae5418]

I don't think it is an overstatement to say that Random Film Talk is one of the most insightful, constructive and entertaining movie critics in media atm. Not just on KZbin, but in media in general. It's all too easy to simply pour scorn on various movies and shows and there are countless other channels that prove this to be so, but it requires genuine talent and effort to deconstruct, analyse and suggest alternatives in the way Random does, and to also do so with such wonderful humour. These reviews are excellent, and though they clearly take time and effort, please keep them coming. And hey, if somewhere down the line things become profitable enough for the channel to have its own merchandise, sign me up for a tee shirt!

[@noahknight4039]

Let’s be real Colonel Quaritch was appealing because he was a buff old dude, reminisce of an 80’s action movie character. Putting him in an avatar IMO took away from him. They would of been better off having his son from Earth show up with a more powerful mech suit and maybe even cybernetic enhancements or something. Could of even had a touching moment where he finds his father remains. Quaritch was the only character where if I saw him fist fighting a Navi without a mech suit, I would think yeah maybe he can win.

[@thebatman4279]

Yes! That's the first thing i thought when i saw him as a Na'vi. It's great to have him back (as he's the only fun character to watch in these films) but his charisma and menace is dulled by him being in Blueface.

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

Not to mention some moral tension “You killed my father!” “He was going to kill me and some of these blue people!” “Yeah! To save our species you HORNY TRAITOROUS JACKASS”

[@crowcomics9256]

omg couldnt stop laughing at all the sequel names... great review... i thought i was the only one who thought this film was a little lack luster

[@chaz8767]

I legit died laughing at all the sequel names. Best part of the video!!!!

[@RogerDominguez-de4hj]

It was still a good movie though.

[@majkus]

It sounds like the writers were depending on the audience to remember few, if any, details about the plot of the first film. That is not an unreasonable expectation, however cynical.

[@Folker46590]

My problem with the first Avatar, and why I hate the movie, was that it is never explained WHY Unobtanium is so valuable. It left me confused because I didn't know what the stakes of the film were. I had to look at the official website for the movie to find out. Unobtanium effects gravity and makes antimatter reactors and engines possible, it's how the ship that brought Jake to the planet was able to go 4.2 light years in only 6 years. Humanity needs Unobtanium to survive as a species (there are 20 billion people on Earth), and to buy time to do something about saving Earth. No unobtanium, no Star Trek, and humans die as a species. It's the Dilithium crystal of the franchise. The humans can not kill off the Navi. The company that is mining the planet does so under a government contract from the UN, sort of, and is forbidden from causing undo harm to the natives. They do not want a repeat of what happened to the native Americans. So, what the colonel does in the end is borderline illegal and could void the company contract. Its why the boss is so nervous about what's happening, he knows what's at stake and yet he feels he has to do something radicule. Dr. Augustine is a villain. It was her job to develop the Avatars, get friendly with the Navi, and help to negotiate a mining contract with them. Instead, she gave up on it and decided that studying the planet was more important than saving humanity. She NEVER TELLS THE NAVI WHY HUMANS ARE ON PANDORA! The Navi seem to have no idea why humans are doing what they are doing, even thoe Augustine (and Jake) should have told them. So, either they don't know, or they do know and don't care, or the planet has erased that information from the Navi's minds. Jake is also a villain. He apparently never tells the Navi why humans are on Pandora, seems way to thrilled to be able to walk again, loves being the Hero and gets to have sex with the pretty Navi Princess! He is a traitor to the human race, willing to let billions die just so he can live on an alien world as its Hero. That's not a hero, that's a villain. Avatar 2 seems written to take away any sympathy the audience would have for humanity, no more unobtanium, but instead it's save the whales 2.0. It will prob make a lot of money because people are into self-hate a lot these days.

[@sellerim6847]

😆

[@wrayday7149]

The funny part of the first movies is the Navi don't go underground.... humans know how to mine underground. There is no established reason why they couldn't just mine underground and get the ore.

[@JPG.01]

I like the whole unoptanium name convention. If it's not mythril but also some kind of special unknown element that makes magic happen I tend to call it contrivium or bullshitium. Calling it unobtanium just fits so well that I can't help myself but smile.

[@vinny142]

Actually unobtanium is the proper term for such materials and has been in use since the 1950's en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium It just sound realy stupid when other movies have used bullshit terms like "adamantium" because, you know, the material is strong and unbenting... it's adamant...

[@petriew2018]

'unobtanium' is the entire Avatar 'franchise' in a nutshell. trite, lazy, unoriginal in every way.... but hey, looks pretty onscreen

[@AnarchHive]

MacGuffinium 😁

[@JPG.01]

@@vinny142 "Nihil novum sub solae" Nothing new under the sun. :D I really thought that was a thing invented for Avatar or my bullshitium being something original. Well... there goes that :D. Thanks for informing me. :)

[@eyesfullofsky9776]

"McGuffium" is my go-to choice.

[@CrimsonGuard1992]

Spider to me is definitely the weakest character. His internal conflict being caught between two world could have been very interesting.

[@saulcervantes1975]

I think that's what they're building to. He and Kiri seem to be the flagship characters going forward. They also have a strong relationship, even if it's not really focused on the movie. I just wish thay we had gotten *some* of that in this movie instead of just setup

[@darkbum1510]

Yeah, but for that to happen he'd have to be caught between two worlds, which he isn't. His entire upbringing and behavior are Na'vi-like. He has no connection to humans, except for the fact that he obviously is one, something that he and the plot seem to not really care about.

[@wrayday7149]

Spider is the worst character. Besides all the plot issues he has from running around with an infinite air supply.... there are times where he is clearly yeeting people trying to save him.

[@RogerDominguez-de4hj]

What makes you think his character will not get more interesting in the 3rd installment? If you saw the sequel you would know that he rescued his father from drowning so when Jake and his family finds out he did that,it will cause conflict.

[@mattparsons2045]

I don't think the masks are meant to be air supply but some kind of filter. They just have a box at the end, not a tank, so I think that's the intent. Meaning that Pandora might have plenty of oxygen but also another gas that's toxic. I'm sure there's some avatar lore guy that could answer this for sure, but that's my impression.@@wrayday7149

[@poissonsumac7922]

Hey hold on a sec, Jake and Nayteri supposedly adopted Spider but threatens to KILL HIM to get her daughter back? Am I reading that right? If so......WHAT THE FU-

[@wrayday7149]

Well, adopted is a very loose term. Nayteri tolerates him.... He is the child of the man who destroyed her home, killed her father, and destroyed parts of a sacred shrine. She also might know that Spider was seen in the company of the humans going around burning sea villager tribes homes. So, later on after losing her son to this enemy she really hates, who forced her to flee her home and now threatens her current home..... it's very plausible for her current mental state and goal to be a son for a son. So much so that when Spider comes across her for the first time his natural instinct is to hide from her. The only problem is how badly Quarrich was written in regards to his son. He cares, doesn't care, cares, doesn't care.... it's not a man in turmoil, it was poor writing.

[@RogerDominguez-de4hj]

Did you not watch the movie??? Neytiri never liked spider,and she knows that its the villains son so that's why she did that to get her daughter back.

[@matttriano]

YES she goes from 'this is my tiny white son' to 'FUCK THIS APE' and the performance isn't reflective of a person at a breaking point acting insane so apologizes or distances herself from hiim..? SHE NEVER BRINGS IT UP AND WE ARE MEANT TO BE OK WITH THAT

[@saddlerrye6725]

If humans want to relocate to Pandora, why would they arrive with a spacecraft that causes a massive disturbance in the natural ecology on landing???? It was established in the first movie that they are capable of going there without causing a wide-scale forest fire, so..... Why?? Do they want to burn everything to ashes and terraform the whole planet? Then why don't they terraform Mars, or literally any other planet than the one they've already made enemies on?

[@waynehewett4017]

If people want to go to Pandora go for it Any parent who watches avatar 2 is giving money to Disney You know the sexually predator towards young children Why would any body support that ?

[@ledanoir1239]

They were making room for the city, I guess

[@Arvak777]

Because the plot needed to happen and humans bad. Its such lazy writing if none of this is explained

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

They are there to get resources from Pandora not move there as I understand it. But why? The resources they are mining don’t seem actually useful. Even if you have the whale brain juice and you stop aging, it doesn’t allow you to like breath on Pandora without a mask or otherwise survive a hostile planet.

[@ionelflorea2116]

The ships don't land at all..they have the aircraft shuttle things for that. The reason they use the ship thrusters like that in this sequel is to lower a very large cargo for a large scale return, which also clears a huge area for the new colony and sends the blue people a message that they're back. It's not hard to understand and far from bad writting

[@sait6666]

I'm sorely impressed by the work and thought that went into this, and also puzzled that you don't have a lot more subs/views as it's certainly merited. As much as I can't wait for the final RoP analysis, thanks for this clear and entertaining piece! :)

[@asoho3104]

He got some stuff wrong. Quaritch wasn’t looking for unobtainium then full speed ahead, he was there to destroy thier tree, they already knew where the unobtainium was. Around the 13 min mark

[@TheEverSoTalented]

Your not wrong - Cameron was so caught up with his 'dream'...he failed to include a story in this movie. Avatar 2: Is "The Search For More Oscar nominations" ! Your breakdown of what is nothing more than a vanity project is first class...👍🏻

[@TheEverSoTalented]

@@Gnaritas42 Aaaah did someone else's opinion hurt your feelings....must be my bad your honour!🤣

[@blatmane492]

@@Gnaritas42 Simple doesn't mean devoid of any logic and good writing.

[@karlklein2263]

Avatar 2: when nature calls. I'm dead 🤣🤣🤣

[@blatmane492]

Discovering your channel made RoP worth it. I really love your delivery and the jokes here and there ( the sequels names ended up being hilarious ), the deconstruction of the plot followed by what you actually like about the movie. As for the format, even if the video is a bit Shortman, good content is always welcome.

[@christophertheriault3308]

Same here, came for the RoP stayed for the other great commentary

[@happynihilist2573]

After thinking on it, I have to disagree with the idea that ecosystem and "goddess" thing of this movie is *well written* The ting is the life on Pandora is supposed to have evolved naturally, that's what the movie suggests, the cractures ware design with that in mind (albeit poorly), there is a creature whose sole purpose is to show how the 6 limbed animals evolved in to the 4 limbed Navi and there is no reference, in or out of unverse that Pandora's ecosystem is of artificial origin there are only references of it having naturally evolved. With that in mind there are a few questions that reveal how little effort was actually put in to the world-building of Avatar If you ware a predator why would you evolve an organ that gives you the ability to randomly become the loyal slave of the thing you ware trying to eat for the rest of your life? If you where a herbivore why would you evolve an organ that lest the plants your eating mind control you!? If the thing you evolved to eat told you to go risk your life anginst some guys you never seen why would you *ever listen* !?? If you where where a plant and you could mind control herbivores ito killing themselves why would you ever use that ability to help them? Remember evolution 101: any trait or behaviour that results in more of your DNA being spread is what a species will move towards and can you even think of something that achieves that better then driving your main predators (the things that reduce your health/lifespan and kill your offspring) to extinction? Every animal we see has the barin tentacles, why would they evolve them? The movie shows no incentive for this arrangement to evolve, in fact we see clear reasons for *it not to* so WHY DID IT EVOLVE!??? Heck *HOW* WOULD IT EVOLVE!??? The brain tentacles expose their central nervous system to the elements it's like growing a second spiral cord that's just dangling of the side of your head, how did a mutation like that become common place??? Especially when it has no benefit!! And how did it the exposed part of their nervous system even evolve to interconnect with other nervous systems, *especially when it serves no benefit it just enslaves you to your food witch then doesn't abuse it power over you despite how beneficial that would be* The ting is this hole set up in Avatar is based on something in real life: The Forest Internet (yes that's what scientists called it) This "Internet" consists of the root systems of countless individual plants of many species *and* the mycelium (basically a root system) of many fungi which are physically connected to echother and to all the aforementioned plants. The fungi manlly help the pants absorb nutrition form the soil in exchange for a portion of glucose they produce BUT they have a second faction Both roots and mycelium are the nervous systems of their respective kingdoms, and since they are physically connected a plant can transfer information form their "brain" through the mycelium to the "brains" of other pants (like we transfer information on the Internet) and thus the forest is basically a hivemind "EXCUSE ME WHAT THE HECK!!?" You might be saying. "Are you telling me *Plants* can *think* and use the local mushroom population as some biotech discord to send their *thoughts* directly into echoders *brains* !?!?!?" Yes that basically what I'm telling you. "They are PLANTS!! WTF would they ever talk about all day?? Other than the consistency of squirrel droppings" Herbivores. Plants talk about herbivores. Whenever a plant is being eaten by a herbivore it tells others plants about it in as much detail as it can. The plant will sere how much it's being eaten, the way it's being eaten and even a limited understanding of the chemical makeup of their saliva. This information is used by the plants to formulate a response. "A response? The heck can plant even do to defend its self?" A few things actually but they fit into 2 categories: Poison and Pheromones Poison is self-explanatory, plants produce something toxic to their predators inside the parts of their body their predators eat making said predators sick or worse. However it's taxing on a plant body, the substances used to make the poison are limited or need to be used to keep the plant alive SO the plants use the Forest Internet to see how likely they are to be attacked by a herbivore and balance that with thir toxin production Pheromones are what Avatar replaced with mind control out of laziness and/ro stupidity Pheromones are what pants use when poison is deemed to costly or proves ineffective or the specific plant can't produce poison. They are used to attract, and sometimes even control, specific animals, mainly predatory insects. Thise animals will respond to the pheromones as as they indicate food, the plants even use specific pheromones for specific herbivores making this a very reliable way to find food for many predators. "Ok, cool, I'll never see trees the same way again but what's your point?" Well it's this: IRL it makes sense that plants and fungi *could* evolve the Forest Internet - their central nervous systems are both very similar, very compatible and use the soil for protection removing the need for something like a skull wich makes it easier for their nervous systems to interconnect directly - in Avatar the animals somehow evolve brain tentacles that let them connect to the plants when the plant still keeps their brain in the ground IRL pants and fungi have reason to evolve th Forest Internet - at first it was probably just the fungi trading soil nutrition for the plants photosynthesis proced sugar, a simple "you want this? well I want that" then because their nervous systems interacted so directly random mutation led to some plants sending thier "thoughts" through fungi to other plants, this helped the plants as it gave them information on herbivores they've yet to interact with and help them work together to deal with herbivores, the fungi benefit because the plants feeding the ware better a surviving - in Avatar the the plants are only ever shown using their mind control for altruistic purposes despite the lack of benefit to themselves IRL pants evolved a way "tell" animals what to do with animals that benefited from fom flowing these commands did the - in Avatar all animals somehow evolve the ability to listen tthe plants at no benefit or to their active detriment IRL plants actively try too harm and even kill herbivores to protect themselves and their offspring the fungi and predators that help pants do so because they get food from it, that's what *nature* is about that what evolution is about. Organisms do what benefits them, become what helps them spread of their genes. Altruism only evolves when it ends up benefit either the one being altruistic or their lineage. DNA is ultimately selfish, evolution is selfish, nature encourages selfishness BUT NOT IN AVATAR In Avatar life evolved to work together so as many species can benefit as possible, no plans or animal takes advantage of this system no matter how much *it* would benefit, the carnivores never over hunt, plants let the herbivores eat them. In AVATAR nature is harmonic and selfless the people in tune with it are egalitarian and don't go to war with echother *and don't ever lie* IN AVATAR humans are selfish and they are the ones how kill and destroy to get what they want, we are parasites (parasites are one of the most common things in nature) "and that's unnatural" And it it's funny to me how in order to "explain" how nature is so much better the humans Avatar has to portray a completely *false* version of nature that has all it's driving forces *removed* and replaced with ideas that benefit the plot and narrative Also it's lame that everything on Pandora is an earth creature with an alien reskin

[@HateshWarkio]

I have a question: If the Avatar body is extremely expensive, takes 5 years to create and can be only operated by somebody with the same/similar DNA AND they make a back up of their soldiers' memories What is the explanation/excuse on why they needed Jake Sully and did not upload his deceased brother into the body? Did they not make a copy when choosing him for the program and taking his DNA to grow the Avatar body? Was the data corrupted? Is it just piss poor retcon for no good reason just to bring back protagonist's nemesis?

[@randomft]

Yes.

[@HateshWarkio]

@@randomft gotta love it when the sequel makes it so the protagonist of the first movie didn't even have to be there to begin with Amazing work Truly breathtaking

[@tarynnM]

I have a quick answer. Avatar 2 takes place 15 years after Avatar 1 and Avatar 1 takes place 7 years after Jake Sully's brothers death. Technology progresses.

[@randomft]

@@tarynnM the problem with this answer is that Quaritch etc backed up their brains during Avatar 1, suggesting that it was possible at the time.

[@HateshWarkio]

​@@tarynnM so you wanna imply that 7 years before Avatar 1 they already had the technology to grow Avatar bodies and put human consciousness into them but did not have the technology to back up somebody's memories? And accidentally developed that memory back up technology within 1 year after Tom Sully's death? And I say 1 because it takes 6 years to travel to Pandora and I doubt they made huge technological leaps on a ship during cryonic hibernation btw The timejump between Avatar 1 and 2 doesn't matter in this case because the Porridge guy, or however the guy was named, died at the end of Avatar 1 and by that time they already had the memory back ups according to Avatar 2

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

I know people dismiss the whole ecosystem tied together as a gimmick but i kinda liked it Have it so that the first microscopic life on Pandora was part of a hive mind and all the fauna and flora that evolved from it are all tied together in something like a morphogenetic field Have it be that the will of the planet was actively pushing the evolution of the ecosystem as an improvement of itself, maybe instead of real life evolution that is very slow and dependent on traits getting passed down through reproduction, Pandoran life is connected like a singular organism and beneficial traits get shared with new generations without the need for their parents to have it Maybe once the navi appeared with their more advanced brains the planet developed a collective consciousness and it became more active giving the navi authority over the life on the planet by making the creatures develop the ports The navi can be the braincells, the god is the mind and all the animals its body That would also be a reason for the discrimination, the navi see their design as very intentional and the traits jake's children have are not purposeful mutations dictated by the planet

[@genaadams8461]

Made my whole new years day!! Thanks so much for starting 2023 with a new video, best start to the year ever!!

[@cy-one]

Heeeey! Random Film Talky Person! Super happy for this video, thank you! :3

[@evanthegardener.972]

Avatar 2: We're whalers on the Moon!

[@1Katakana]

I remember explaining the movie to a friend after I watched it, and that's when it actually occured to me that it just went through almost the same plot twice. Humans come, the kids get kidnapped, they flee, and humans come again, kids gets kidnapped again, and they stay this time. Plus to me it was really weird and took me out of the movie whenever I heard these alien kids use modern/earth slang and curse words.

[@kazekamiha]

To be blunt I have no intention of watching 'Humans Are Bad 2: Evil Harder'. The fact it seems to have a horrible story cements the choice.

[@cm3.redeye42]

I think you got it wrong. As soon as I saw in the promotional material that Colonel Crewcut's son was a human raised by the Na'vi(sp) I immediately thought, "oh, so of course they'll give him the ancient character arc of fighting to encounter his father, the 'bad guy,' only to refuse to fight & then overcome him in the end because he had no choice." After which I immediately remembered that his father died in the first movie. Well, now we all see how creatively bankrupt Hellywood is. Come up w/ a new, creative way to incorporate him into the structure of the new film? No, resurrect Colonel Crewcut & repeat the same played out shit we've seen a thousand times before... That's my two cents, anyway.

[@merder1414]

This “take” wasn’t worth the two cents….

[@RogerDominguez-de4hj]

Bro,James Cameron (the director)has something up his sleeve. Everything that happens in the movie is for a reason.the 3rd installment will be amazing just like this movie and the first one.

[@matttriano]

This isn't 'Hollywood' it's Jim Cameron who did exactly what he wanted. How did who get what wrong?

[@fitterniti]

I'll do you one better. They could have still had spider be a part of it. Just not a baby with no connection. But a teenager. Abandoned. Forgotten whatever. But loved his dad. Now stuck to live with the naavi, resentful but no choice. Learns the ways and sees things like Jake did and becomes omaticaya. Quaritch's arrival throws a wrench in the works and let the confusion + emotional turmoil ensue. It still ends in the standoff but here Jake saves spider at the risk of his own life. Turning spider for good onto the na'avi side. Enraged, defeated and having lost his only son. Quaritch crawls into the darkness to escape, vowing revenge. Jake loses his eldest but gains spider. Neytiri is heartbroken but carries a grudge. Now everybody has motive, everybody has conflicting emotions and drama can ensue. Themes can be explored. But nah. We get the bullshit ending that made no fucking sense.

[@DUKEzors]

I'll do YOU one better (a year later). WHY is Avatar 2?

[@bitofalice]

I'm glad someone else likened it to Palpatine! I had not considered the alternative to Kiris conception though... Eyes on Cameron 🤔 Unfortunately the "explanation" I've seen recurring, regarding like the point of brain goo, or the point of Kiri having a serizure when touching the wet tree (and supposedly risking death if doing it again), only for it to lead nowhere?... Is that "it's probably set-up for 3, 4, 5". Which I think is a pretty lazy excuse. I feel like there's a difference between set-up and what feels like dropped plot threads. The "mindblowing CGI" was impressive 13 years ago, but I find it a bit of a waste that this movie was still just shot like a normal movie? They didn't use any crazy camera work, or actions, that are only possible with a fully CGI movie, so what's the point? The actors trained under water, but does it matter? It's just not enough anymore. Also, I don't know if I'm alone in this but it felt real awkward to have an almost naked, 16 year old, real person (Spider) running around the CG Navi all movie...

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

You're not alone. Spider looked and felt like a background character from the movie Biodome who got stuck in Jumanji.

[@zombiehater6547]

Honestly the characters felt like they were competing for screen time and IMHO if they cut blue Quarridge (Quarrich? idfk), spider and 2 or so of the other kids alongside re-gigging the plot they could have developed the characters way more to a significant benefit to the movie. Also on an unrelated note, I don't believe that Quarridgech's return wasn't nearly as bad as Palp's was purely due to the nature of Palpy coming back being almost wholly unexplained (and utterly nonsensical) while Quarridoodle's was at the very least plausible. Edit: Also also, if all the character stuff in A2 was simply set up for the 3rd movie (which I suspect it was) then said third movie is going to have a lot of work cut out ahead of it and I don't know if Cameron will be able to pull it off.

[@randomft]

I agree Palpatine is worse, as Palpatine was literally “ok he’s back”. Quaritch was “he’s back, here’s why, ignore how much sense that makes and have fun.”

[@augustblade6167]

RFT reminds me of Mauler and Mathewmatosis. Please, man, keep going if you can. Do this with as many movies as possible. I love how on point and careful you are in thoughtfully critiquing films. Bravo, sir, bravo.

[@tarynnM]

So much of this is incredibly wrong. Let's start with this: Pandora is over 4 LIGHT YEARS away from Earth. This means any communication from one planet to the other will take a minimum of 4 years. Furthermore it takes 6-7 years to travel from one planet to another and the round trip is around 15 years. This means humans have had 15 years to advance their technology since the first movie. This is seen over and over again. Two of the ways it is shown is in the Clockwork orange mind reader and... memory recording/transfer. Likewise in the past 15 years scientists have discovered that a particular chemical produced by a particular animal stops human aging. This ups the ante immeasurably. Sure Pandora is a source of room temperature superconductors, which is insanely valuable, but now literal clinical immortality has been discovered. This is quite literally priceless. If this is something that can't be synthesized it is priceless. Whereas humans once sent a single ship capable of ferrying 350 tons now they have sent a dozen ships, and you can guarantee many more are on the way. You would have to up the pay off if the humans coming back was going to make sense. Edit: Also if Kiri having powers at the end was a case of a "a seemingly unsolvable problem in a story is suddenly and abruptly resolved by an unexpected and unlikely occurrence", aka a Deus Ex Machina, then you seriously weren't paying attention. It was blatantly obvious she had these powers from almost the very begining. A genuine criticism would be that the film kept punching you in the face with this truth and all of the adults seemed completely oblivious.

[@randomft]

Wrong. The soldiers backed up their brains during the events of the first movie, thereby heavily implying that at the point in time when the first movie takes place, it is possible to plonk their brains into an Avatar body. Secondly, the humans were not on Pandora for the last 15 years meaning they cannot have discovered the whale brain goo until after they arrived there. How this happened is not explained. Thirdly, the deus ex machina is more that Kiri is present and able to do exactly what the plot needs her to in order to save everyone. Her ability to control fish being established earlier doesn't do much to plug this hole.

[@unitron2005]

I think what the "it's just pocahontas in space" crowd is trying to say (and I might be wrong here) is that the first movie was hyped as this incredibly unprecedented, original, great movie of an unparallelled filmmaker, and yet... EVERYTHING about it was pretty much stolen. It's like Cameron just pieced together already existing scenes from about 200 other movies and rendered it with some animation software that costs 2 billion dollars. The Pocahontas example might be one of the most common examples, but it's far from the only one. I mean, when I saw the movie in theaters, almost every single scene, and character was identifiable for me from other movies, shows, etc. Even the look of the planet did not feel original at all. Which IS something that did get on my nerves after having to listen over and over and over again to the claim that this movie was worth celebrating as some massive showcase of originality, when in fact, it's just a rich guy taking credit for other people's work basically. If Steve Jobs was a movie, Avatar would be it. And I haven't even touched on the laughable plot and it's details. That being said, I have zero idea how people STILL care for a -relatively new and untested - movie franchise that was very-very meh when the first one came out, which has been like, 2 lifetimes ago anyway.

[@du6167]

This is what I keep seeing. The Avatar "apologists" aren't really grasping what Avatar "haters" mean when they say stuff like "it's dances with wolves in space" or "it had no cultural impact". For the most successful movie ever you expect more than a pretty basic white savior story about hot space cat people. Such a movie is FINE, it's perfectly watchable, but it's not "most profitable movie ever" level, at least not to me. And for the record, neither are Avengers: Endgame and Star Wars Sequels, but I would at least understand if they were - they have a massive backbone of lore and fans who were ready to throw money their way, no matter how good or bad those movies were. Avatar is an anomaly, because it's quality doesn't match it's profitability (not even popularity)

[@georgek5737]

I like it because of three simple facts: It has fantastical beasts/ creatures It has beautiful nature settings (it's artistic) It has native combat I just like seeing stuff like that so by definition i loved the first one and liked this one a lot.

[@sellerim6847]

Novum nihil sub sole, and when you grow up more you will feel like you've seen everything that this world have to offer

[@дмитрогаркавченко-е6т]

As someone who saw it in 4DX cinema: Movie is entertaining, especially in 4DX. My initial thought after the credit roll was 8/10. 7 or even 6 if you don't have that whole rollercoaster that is 4dx shenanigan. Spider character definitely felt out of place. His motivations are absolute nightmare - at the end he saves the big scary guy (for some reason???), despite he was the one who almost killed his named dad. Also, yeah what's up with that mask. Does it need any spare filters? Maybe some glass maintenance? Another thing I picked up while watching is motivation of humans in this movie. Why do they act almost like comical evil? Why not to explore their perspective a bit more like Cameron did in the first movie? It would be much easier to understand the depth of conflict. Otherwise humans are evil because they are evil and blue people are good because they are good. Speaking of good blue people: majority of "youngsters" speak like it is some US public school. I was almost waiting for them to crackle something in style of "yo bro, that dude is an imposter, sus af bro". Feels out of place with super pure, one with nature, blue tribal aliens.

[@sellerim6847]

Jake wasn't Spider's dad untill the end, at the beginning Jake described him as a a stray cat...

[@killer_queen4062]

tribal languages can and do develop slang, it's not a thing reserved for "us public school students"

[@du6167]

Space Whales appear to be a sentient race, which got me very curious about the kind of movie Avatar would be, if instead of Space Cats, it had Space Whales. Jake goes into a mind link machine to get into a Space Whale body and Neytiri is a female Space Whale that he falls in love with. It would've been insane. P.S. Spider is also NOT their adoptive son. From what I gather, he's more like a neighborhood kid who comes over to play. He has a human foster "family" who, not unlike the Sulleys, give 0 crap about him, since nobody even thinks about coming to his rescue when he gets taken prisoner.

[@grammeatticus2172]

Once again, the most intelligent, original and humorous analysis of this movie I have found anywhere. You are a real find. I don’t know why you don’t have more subs yet, but I am confident that you will really take off this year.

[@NocandNC]

30 mins, 2 hours - I enjoy videos of all length varieties!! ....Except KZbin Shorts. I don't really need those. Thank you in any case for this take on Avatar 2. I thought the first movie was fine - saw in theaters but had no desire to rewatch. Would watch Avatar 2 if someone I'm with wants to but otherwise I don't think I'll seek it out.

[@Jade_Dragon]

Kiri is Na'Vi Jesus. My sister trys to strangle me when I bring this up every time she watches this movie, but I don't care. Kiri is just Na'Vi Jesus

[@xarvacei6934]

Im very sad that "Avatar 2, the judgment day" is not a title in this review

[@MajorSmurf]

I just want to add that wasn't it said either at the start of this one or the end of the first movie that all humans were evicted off Pandora or at least the mining operation was? So shouldn't earth's government(s) know what happened and be preparing large scale military action (Aka Invasion tactics). If said rock was so important than there's no way humans wouldn't be prepared to escalate the odds. We can already send messages vast distances into space so even if the physical transport didn't make it back to earth (either through an accident or the time to travel there) than surely a message would have got through from the survivors to higher authorities. If they were mining the rock in the first film than they must had multiple transport ship to take the rock to Earth and formed a supply line where a ship arrives every few weeks or so. So my question when earths transport arrived and found an important space port/mining facility empty did they investigate or just shrug and go home? Next point if and when earth finds out what happened than I have to ask why do they not use basic military tactics? Your potential enemy has something you want and seemingly from the first film we know negotiations went badly wrong so humans have a choice. They can take shiny thing or they refuse to on a moral basis. If humans want the shiny than the enemy have a severe weakness and it's not hard to see it. They have no spaceships of their own and no way to fight them. Firing missiles from space to hit key targets would be the most basic of basic tactics for a space travelling civilisation to undertake. They can't throw or fire spears into space. They can't use their flying companions either up there. If we are capable of space travel than human technology out specs the Navi by light years. There is a reason why we humans stopped using swords, spears and bows after guns become widespread. A civilisation who is at a technology disadvantage almost always loses. Yes it's not the only factor and while I think in Avatar 1 the humans having limited access to tech makes sense as it was a mining operation not a military base but in Avatar 2 after the events of 1 there is no way humans would make the same mistake again.

[@craigmartinj]

I like this new format. It is more condensed while presenting a quite thorough analysis and I believe it strikes an excellent balance.

[@luissimoes2645]

EDIT: Sorry in advance for the long comment, I hope someone has the patience to read it all. Althought I agree with everything you say regarding Jake leaving the clan and the weak reason they provided for it, I have a lot of problems with your review. In the Return of Quaritch section you talk about how humans have now exoskeletal machines wich they can operate and serve the same function as a Na'Vi's body. First, that is a lie, in no way does that machine has the same dexterity as an actual biological body and second, it is not as powerfull as a Na'Vi's body because as you can see in the footage you use, the human using the machine is clearly expsoed to either bullets from guns, wich the Omaticaya now have access and use, to also human size arrows wich they also use and also close combate weapons like knifes. In the Return of the Humans section, you talk about how they stoped wanting Unobtanium wich is probably a lie. You see since in the first movie they destroyed home tree and left everything in ashes and cleared every Na'Vi of that region, they were free to mine one of the biggest deposits of Unobtanium and since years passed, maybe humans did mine all of that and have now a lot of money to spend on new avatar bodies to try and kill the leader and the reason why they lost the war on the first movie. Also, the reason why they kill the Tulkun wich you keep calling 'space whales' instead of farming them is because they are just as smart or even smarter than humans and Na'Vi. They are not simply whales. I know that maybe for your ego is a difficult concept to grasp that an animal wich has physical similarities to the ones you are used to know might be smarter than you but it is literally stated in the movie and it is one of the reasons the humans lost the war this time. Because they underestimated what they know about the creature's inteligence and decided to simply compare it to our whales. In the Spider section you are assuming that the Avatar clone of Quaritch as simply one mission wich is to kill Jake, but while that is initially true, Avatar Quaritch still has the original's memory and if so it means that he IS Quaritch. Just like Jake in the first movie goes to the Avatar Jake, he is still the same person and only the body changed. That is beacause what makes you YOU is your memories. One could say that a person who has Alzheimer is themselves because sometimes they don't remember who they are, what they did, or even recognize their son/daughter. That is what James Cameron does with Quaritch in this movie. He still has the same feelings he did before and if he cared for his son before he will still care just as before. In the second act section you again reduce the Tulkun from being an inteligence of a creature to a 'space whale'. In the overabundace of children you complain about how Kiri is not important in this movie and might be important in the next so it could have been cut from this one. So would you complain in the next one that there was no setup for all that she will do? Also, the final battle happens because the humans detect the other human's "helicopter" going to a strange location wich is to help Kiri, making her the very reason the final act is the way it is. In the Kiri saves the day you complain that Kiri controlling the fish is a Deus Ex Machina but it was setup before that she has a kind of connection to Eywa and since Eywa is connected to everything in Pandora she can control some aspects of Pandora like in scenes before but for some reason you think that now is a convenience. If I am not wrong, and keep in mind that this is theory, Kiri will be revealed to be the physical manifestation of Eywa in the same way that in Chritianity Jesus is somewhat a physical representation of God capable of performing miracles, wich in this case would be Kiri controlling life on Pandora. But eventhough you point out the 'tune in next time to find out' you still wanted the answers to all the questions in this movie. What kid of sense does that make? This is a confirmed franchise. It is the equivalent of asking for all of Snape's secrets in the first Harry Potter movie/book or the reason why Voldemort keeps coming back, or the real reason why Harry didn't die. Basically you want no plot twist at the end of the franchise.

[@dgurlie-0273]

A lot of the issues you brought up are actually touched upon and fleshed out… but the problem is, they are in a 3 part comic actually written by Cameron. At the start of the movie when it says “1 year later,” what happens in the comics is what happened during that 1 year, and the Na’vi are arguing amongst themselves if they should fight back. They are hesitant because Jake has to introduce them to the human way of fighting so they have a better chance of winning, since they were fighting a losing battle before Eywa had to step in to help last time. Because of their religious laws, most of them don’t want to use weapons made of metal, but others agree that they need to upgrade their weapons to have a fighting chance. Maybe in the director’s cut, a lot more things people have an issue with will be fleshed out, because things were fleshed out more in the director’s cut of the first movie 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@zantherhayes7229]

I love how no one mentions that she was straight up ready to murder that kid. It genuinely wasn't addressed

[@randomft]

I fully expect that it will be, but maybe I am expecting too much. I don't think there was time to address it at the end of the movie.

[@Kveldred]

I don't really see a problem with Q... Kw... _The army guy_ wanting to protect his (former body's) son - from his perspective, he woke up one day and his body was different; this doesn't change his feelings regarding stuff like sons or revenge. That is, it seems unlikely that any human is going to think "oh, well, if it's just the son of my real body and not my new clone body, that changes everything", as I see it. You seem to agree when it comes to revenge - it was not the _clone body_ that Jake thwarted, right, but we still understand that from ArmyDude's perspective he's just a bigger, bluer version of the same guy - so is there a salient difference you perceive in the case of children? This might (or might not) be a basic philosophical difference between us. A related question you asked - "why does the cloned version still fight for humanity?" - seems totally intuitive and reasonable to me; I think I'd _absolutely_ feel no dissonance in continuing to fight for humanity, regardless of the (temporary?) housing they placed my backup in - but perhaps you feel his being in the Na'vi body ought to change his allegiance? --------------- Anyway, overall: fantastic video; as soon as you explained your absolutely correct take on the first movie, I knew it would be a treat. It's like Christmas every time I see a new RFT upload! MAKE MORE DAMMIT 👍

[@Emanon...]

"Dances with Space Pocahontas" as we call it in our house.

[@BBanzaj]

1.cloning people who were already on pandora and have first hand expirience is probably worth the money that is thrown into the avatars... also since now the operation on pandora was switched from just mining to a full blown colonisation, chances are that the budged for this company expanded, since now they probably dont operate just on their own, they are probably backed by gov. (of individual countries or a global gov).... so chances are, now they operate on a blank check. 2. there is no UAV or other drone in both of the movies, im guessing they have some kind of Dune/40k reasons to not use advanced AI, meaning terminators are not used. 3. How do they know space whale brain stops humans from aging? they were on the planet for several decades before they were kicked out, chances are some sience outpost away from hells gate was working on exploring the sea, and they might have come upon some whale brain and experimented with it.

[@Firelord5151]

Congratulations of reaching over 5000 subscribers my friend!! I was there during your first Rings of power video when you had less than 100 subscribers. But now look how far you've come in such a short amount of time. It is amazing and you deserve every subscriber you have. Keep up the great work!

[@PrasokourC]

If they really wanted to bring back Quaritch, here's how I would have done it: We know from both of these movies that when someone dies on Pandora, their consciousness is basically uploaded to the planet-wide neural network that exists between the trees that the Na'vi interpret as Eywa. The first movie also established that this is no different for humans, as when Grace died, she experienced the sensation of being with Eywa as well. So by the end of the first film, you have thousands of dead humans, including Quaritch, who would theoretically be uplaoded into this same nueral network. What if Quaritch was able to essentially corrupt the Pandoran biosphere, like some kind of computer virus? What if he was trying to kill off the Na'vi by having the wildlife attack them in the same way they attacked his forces at the end of the first film? Maybe he would even try to basically do what he was trying to do in the climax of the first film - destroy the Tree of Souls, and essentually neuter the Na'vi connection to their world and to their goddess.

[@AngryDuck79]

I got about 20 minutes into AvaTwo before I got so bored a discord message distracted me and I never went back. And yet I can watch a guy o the internet complain about AvaTwo for two hours without taking a break. Quality content is quality content.

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

I will say as silly as the crab robots are, crabs are biologically speaking a pretty good design

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Not as good as a lobster robot would have been.

[@ChaosMcCain]

The mock up names for the sequel are hilarious !!

[@GreatGreebo]

23:38 I 👏 Am👏 *DEAD* 👏 and then I resurrect so at 26:41 I can DIE again 💀

[@Sgt.Dornan117]

Saw the first one when it debut in theaters. Thought it was okay at best atm, today I think it extremely meh and had no desire to watch the 2nd. What I do have a desire for is to watch Random Film Talk when he uploads 😀

[@wrayday7149]

It's like the Fast and Furious movies.... it's a movie that you can watch when you want to and tune out or go clean the house and when you tune back in you can pick right back up on the story. It's not offensive, it's just there.

[@Lashamar]

So their is an in-universe justification for the resurrection of specifically Quaritch and his men into avatars. First, resurrecting them saves the humans immense amounts of time by avoiding extra on planet training for new personnel. Also Quaritch and his men are already familiar and knowledgeable about the terrain of Pandora. Now the reason for having them in avatars is actually a direct response to the ending of the first movie (Cameron knew what he was doing here, even if it was a ret-con). See at the end of the first movie Eywa responded to the presence of humans and human machinery. By using avatars they are essentially bypassing Eywa's immune system and preventing any hindrances now that they know for a fact the planet is aware. Also I believe that as a writer you can justify Quaritch being comfortable in a Na'vi body for a few reasons. Firstly, in the first movie he outwardly expresses the physical superiority of the Na'vi and as a military strategist it would be stupid to not use this to his advantage. Secondly, I don't think Quaritch had a racial hatred for the Na'vi as you frame it but rather a cultural one; he views human culture as superior and inhabiting a Na'vi body while still being an integral part of the human military ensures that he is still apart of that culture. And finally, even if my second point is flat out wrong, after he kills Jake their is literally nothing stopping Quaritch from getting put back into a clone of his human body (we know they have his human DNA as they used it to make his avatar); so he still gets the military benefits of being a Na'vi but when the mission is done he does not have to continue being one. Also yes the humans remain being the evil antagonist because, as we see through the immortal whale space goo and through unobtainium, the humans are doing to Pandora exactly what they already did to Earth. They are stripping it of life and resources. And just like how unobtainium was used to create tension between the humans and the Omatikaya, the reason that the goo exists is to add another layer of tension now between the humans and the Metkayina. Also you act as if it is narratively unfounded for the humans to discover unique biological characteristics of life on a planet that may be useful to them. However, that is exactly how humans would behave, we would kill native species to a planet and experiment on them and at the point that the Tulkun kill takes place those experiments would have had a year to develop. Now I can't reason why in an already 3 hour long movie why we would need an in universe justification for how the humans discovered a material with unique properties. In a movie like this that isn't the focus and using "because science" IS a reasonable justification. Next couple points, is it not implied in the first movie that the humans would prefer assimilation of the Na'vi into human culture? That is the whole point of Grace's school and also is further credited by the idea that genocide doesn't have a super great public perception, especially when pertaining to governments and corporations, the two entities present on Pandora. That means they cannot simply just wipe out the Na'vi and actually explains why the plan is to kill Jake because in their mind he is the one thing making the Na'vi an actual threat to the humans by uniting and organizing them. Furthermore, if Quaritch never encountered Jake's kids, or another similar event didn't occur, the narrative would have never started. That is problematic in a movie, especially a movie framed around exceptional people in exceptional circumstances. I mostly agree about the existence of spider as a character although I don't find it to be a stretch for a person who has memories of making and raising a child, to an extent, to be willing to sacrifice victory for them. Also we are directly given a reason by Jake as to why he does not want to unite the clans in war again. He makes a point of stating his priority is protecting his family and he believes the best way to do that for the duration of this movie is to avoid the humans, an action which is not out of character since this is a unique situation for Jake as a father. We also can't forget that the whole point of Jake's narrative in this movie was that he realized a war will be necessary to protect his family. His character learns from the new situation with the humans and adapts. The Tulkun are not simply animals, they are meant to be an entirely sentient species like the Na'vi and humans. They are meant to be an entire standalone species apart from all other animals on Pandora. They aren't Ikran. Also Quaritch never communicates the fact that Jakes stepped down to the general, likely because he wanted to pursue his revenge. That is one way to logistically justify his pursuit of Jake. Another way you can justify it is by identifying the fact that if Jake stays alive he still stands a chance of once again becoming Toruk Macto, a threat so great that it forced out an entire human colony once. The mere possibility of such a threat would need to be destroyed in order to ensure a more secure colonization of Pandora. I agree that Neytiri was not developed enough in this movie and also agree about her acting completely out of character when threatening to kill a child. However a way to justify this behavior is, unfortunately, through her lack of development. Much like how Jake regressed from the first movie and no longer wants to actively seek out war because he is a father, Neytiri may have become much more protective to the point of extreme violence because she is a mother, however this is not explored and lacks the justification we need because they do not fully explore her hatred for Spider in the move, although they do in some of the related comics.

[@RaiObey]

You made some good points but unfortunately these people (the op included) are closed to discussion.

[@skeeterfinklage445]

​@@RaiObeywhat discussion is there to have? If you liked it, fine, I didn't, and you're not going to convince me otherwise. Literally halfway through I was hoping the movie would be wrapping up soon but it just went on and on and on. Special effects are not enough to carry a movie by themselves. As someone who has only watched either Avatar movie once...I don't want to get an hour of filler just because Cameron wants to huff his own farts. Make it a two hour movie, and show me the world while we do the story. It's simple. I'm not here for the ego trip.

[@RaiObey]

@@skeeterfinklage445 I don’t give a shit about you not liking the movie tho.

[@prolastmedia6171]

19:43 To be fair, if dolphins were biologically equipped to speak as humans do, we would also be able to maintain a fairly intelligible conversation based on their cranial structure. Some animals are smarter than people haha - it makes sense the Navi and the Whales could maintain an intelligible conversation as well (granted their inherent telepathic abilities)

[@luster5497]

I said the new “water glider” is pointless when the “sky glider” was literally shown to be able to swim, so why? Because reasons

[@fitterniti]

The literal ways in which you find new titles using old films that this movie copied themes from - pure gold 🥇 Makes one ponder. Did Cameron spend the last decade+ mining these concepts from everything that came before? I dread parts 3-4-5

[@zule10000]

I'm not saying it's good writing, but I have to call willful ignorance on not pointing out that Kiri is a Christ allegory, what with the "virgin" birth and connection to Eywa and everything. Edit: Ah, so I was wrong/right? You do mention it, but actively choose to ignore it because the movie doesn't spell it out for you I think? Do we have to crucify her first?

[@ferblancart8669]

Good way to start the year! We missed you RFT I never got the 'it's pocahontas' when dancing with wolves is way way more fitting If your movie is similar to another one is called plagiarism If your movie is similar to hundreds it is called a genre XD The similarity never was a down point for me anyway just not s positive one, neutral, avatars is not a completely original movie and its story isn't some mind blowing thing but sure is transformative and different enough to have its own merits and there is nothing wrong with that eve if it could have been more original plotwise

[@kazekamiha]

I think it's because those who saw Avatar were old enough to remember Pocahontas from it's time in theaters while Dances With Wolves is much older.

[@THEINFINITIVERSESAGA]

11:57 I can’t even comprehend the science of how that even works

[@DdHenley307]

I'm with you on the first Avatar. I didn't see it until it came out on DVD but thought it was fine. Maybe it had to be watched in theaters

[@petriew2018]

the first one is fine once or twice, it's pretty enough. But you put any thought into what actually happens and you quickly realize how broken the plot is..... if there'd been a single functional adult sent on the mission they literally tell you is humanity's only hope to avoid extinction.... and the plot doesn't happen.... it's basically a bottom tier star trek episode stretched to three hours.... and for some reason they thought that deserved 5 more movies....

[@Jormungandr108]

I watched in theaters and it was still a beautiful pocahontas, 6/10 max.

[@michelle4054]

Discovered this channel through the rings of power episode breakdowns. The best I’ve seen!

[@Fortonor]

Charlie is consistently in my top 5 reasons for having decent mental health

[@MistahBryan]

The funniest part of videos like this (IMO) is the seemingly random titles that the narrator gives to the movie "Avatar 2: Electric Boogalo" or "Avatar 2: Off the Deep End" etc...

[@LargeMetallicFellow]

I wasn't a big fan of the first film, and all things considered for my opinion this movie wasn't as good as the first one which says so much for me personally. HOWEVER, you once again provide some really insightful and hilarious points to give us the pros and cons of the movie. Overall I'm what I would call... negatively indifferent towards this because of the far too long wait. When Avatar 3 comes out in 2035 I'll probably once again go "meh". But I'll look forward to your analysis on KZbin 2.6!

[@strategghost1270]

Your criticism of "why can they make babies?!?" is really silly. There are different *species* that can fertilize each other, and even their offspring can sometimes be fertile. It would make sense for the scientists who made the bodies to put at least some effort into giving the bodies functional reproductive organs, from a purely diplomatic standpoint (seduction, likeness, body functions). From a standpoint of "they're hybrids" it still wouldn't be abnormal.

[@piotrfijoek1095]

Also, those reproductive organs produce damn important hormones that regulate our bodies irl.

[@KonstantinosNC]

I love your channel and I mostly agree with you in your analysis, but in the reason of why they did not stick with the Unobtanium and went with the new Amrita is very simple, Biomes, Avatar 2 is all about water, so they had to find a reason for Jake to leave the land, and to interduce a new people the water tribe Metkayina Clan, killing Tulkun for the Amrita is the reason to drive the water clans to fight, otherwise as the clan leader Tonowari said, it's not their fight. Avatar as I see it, is all about visuals and breaking CGI/3D technology, and we all agree that it is fantastic, the plot is there only to drive the events forward to create tension and action situations, act two was long, but I guess they needed to flush out all the characters as a preparation for Avatar 3 & 4, Avatar is a huge planet, Avatar 2 made it clear that we knew a very little about it, with all the new creatures and how strong the connection is with the Na'vi, also the capabilities of Eywa to help when needed, here Kiri comes, we know very little about her, but I am sure we will know more in Avatar 3. Avatar 2 is about water, Avatar 3 will be about another biome I hope, the plot is not what makes Avatar a success, it is the amazing visuals, and instead of Avatar 2 to be a copy of Avatar 1, fighting again in the jungles with the same creatures, they decided to give us something completely new to enjoy. I loved Avatar 2, it is amazing. I watched it two times, and I will do it again, I did not feel bored, because there is something happening always.

[@sharksbreath7]

The constantly changing sequel titles are great.

[@ingloriousbaxter]

My only gripe is the Pocahontas/Lion King thing. Lion King doesn’t hide its influence. It’s an adaptation of Hamlet and they’re open about that. Avatar is just a derivative script Though I agree that it’s a lazy critique.

[@Barnesofthenorth]

Just checking if I missed something, as by the end in the review at least Quaritch seemed like he was actually becoming a good guy while that person who wanted to kill Spider was becoming evil, as even if you say you don't think she would have, in the end the bad guy of the last film put away his weapon first to save a childs life, while she was seemingly more willing to kill a child than him, so she definitely seems a lot more evil.

[@Tranzlucent]

I’m an Avatar fanboy and I don’t like avatar haters but you couldn’t have said it better in this review. I get the vibes of “I love the avatar universe but he wrote it wrong” and that’s how I feel about it.

[@mungomidge1090]

I watched it last night and woke up when the credits were rolling. The last thing I remember is some blue people swimming around.

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

I'm just pissed that he's going to be focusing all his attention on this franchise, and therefore will not be diving beneath the sea in 2023. This means no Cameronium, and without it to fuel my TTD I'm stuck here.

[@niendumb]

I agree with most of the criticisms, but I enjoyed the movie nonetheless. All of the „drawn out middle part slice of life kinda stuff“ was actually the thing I liked most about the movie. The gorgeous visuals and world building was so much more interesting to me than the big end fight 😂

[@cypher249]

I keep hearing Avatar 2: the search for more money in Mel Brooks voice and its killing me 😂.

[@hydr3537]

I hope this gets as many views as your rings of power content.

[@Freeseraphim]

I really enjoy your reviews! Hopefully more incoming!

[@bailysawyer804]

Best animated feature

[@MrRaheninm]

Hey man thanks for the video i really enjoy your stile of review, keep it up

[@bless_M]

I still don’t understand the whale plot line, what worth is anti aging stuff if the earth is ending, they also seem to have tech that can install consciousness into other bodies too on top of that. Secondly if they have all this cool tech, why do they still use these methods to extract that serum out of whale brains? Can’t they synthesize it in a lab or even acquire the serum from cloning, there’s so many ways of harvesting this stuff without actually harming a single whale

[@Smido83]

I have to object... Avatar was "Dancing with the Wolves... but with Aliens", not Pocahontas! 😉

[@177SCmaro]

I think people give Lion King a pass because, beyond the animation, there is a decent story there. Not perfect, but pretty okay. Also, it's a cartoon, not a bazzion dollar moive.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Not to mention most people haven't read Hamlet and so wouldn't recognize the literary cannibalizing compared to Pocahontas.

[@177SCmaro]

@@Lobsterwithinternet Fair point.

[@beakiddo9532]

Oh cmon, hamlet with lions is much more creative than pocahontas/dance with the wolves/ferngully with a different native population...also, the second/third act of the lion king is totally different from hamlet as well as the character development, let's say it shares only its premise to Shakespeare

[@theredman2783]

I also have no idea why humans care about whale brain immortality glue when the NAME OF THE BLOODY MOVIE is a form of immortality that doesn't require going to war with operatic space whales.

[@alexgarbisch8027]

Im happy to hear the rings of power video is on the way! I’m also happy to hear it’s longer than anticipated!

[@experttileinstaller8363]

Random film talk is right up with Critical Drinker and Little Platoon ! Watching these reviews is so entertaining! I am a huge fan ! Good luck with this channel. I’m sure it will be a massive hit !

[@wishfulstinker8327]

just came here to say this was spaceballs 2's title. the Quest for more money. Love you Mel Brooks

[@zak7an2]

Avatar II: The Wrath of Quaritch really is one of the movies of all time. It has been watched by people and reviewed by critics. The 2022 movie Avatar Episode 2: Attack of the Navi has already delivered more than a 100 dollars in the box office and will surely bring in more! Audiences all over the USA and probably some other countries might enjoy Avatar 2: High Voltage from James Cameron, the director of such hits as Avatars, Avatar 2: Judgement Day and Avatar II: The Spawning.

[@CharlesUrban]

Happy New Year! My favorite Avatar title was "2Avatar2Furious."

[@ColonelHess]

I think the weird thing to me is that they say they want to Colonize Pandora now because the Earth is "dying", I mean we cant even breath there... So if its a planet with air we cant breath but a temperature that we can deal with that we need, then I have a planet that is even better then Pandora! Its called "Earth" the air is easier to fix, you dont need to fight over it and its got the right gravity for us, amazing!

[@BaranZenon]

I would like for this movie to be more about the replicants and not Jake Sully and his family. Quaritch was the best part of this movie. Like imagine a movie about a soldier that fought and died, now cloned into a body he hated and what killed him in the first place. Imagine the conflicts about him not being even a real person, but a clone. And not just a clone, but a navi-hybrid, on alien world that wants him dead. Is he a legally a person or just a tool to get the job done? But what after that? If he do manage to finish the mission would they let him live in society or just dispose of him, like a used hammer? Now that would be a more realistic dilemma for such person asking himself if the defection is not a better option, than being just horny, like Jake did.

[@daffy72]

I'm commenting on this video 8 minutes in. Maybe this is addressed by the author later on. Every single review I've seen of the movie pulling it apart so far has neglected to mention something addressed in the movie: They need to send their men in Avatar bodies because the 'immune system' of the planet reacts when a large human force tries to go after the na'vi. They even showed a recording of the fliers getting destroyed en masse. I don't think it was a great movie. I just wanted to mention they actually addressed this in the movie. The cloned hybrids are an expansive desperate solution. It's taken this long to get back to earth with the brain scans, devise a new plan, and send the new ones out, grown during the voyage. Also explained in the movie, the stakes are now higher. It's not about profit anymore.... it's for survival of the human species... so I assume now they are 'sparing no expense' like they said in jurassic park.

[@randomft]

Yes, but this is still a problem. The movie establishes that they need Avatar bodies to locate and kill Jake, but then also explains that everyone had backed up their brains a decade and a half before they would be needed and before the technology was there to use the brain backups at all. They wrote a problem that needed solving, and then decided that the characters solved it a decade before they knew it needed solving, and this was all done so that they could resurrect Quaritch.

[@daffy72]

@@randomft I didn't say it was elegant. But its not a 'problem'. It could be cutting edge tech they were testing out in a new operating theater. It's not like it's a stretch. If they can project your thoughts remotely in real time with no delay it's not hard to take a flash of your neurons and memory engrams and store a snapshot on an isolinear chip. If they didn't introduce that scene at all and he just showed up in an avatar body with no explanation THEN its a problem. Then it's "somehow Palpatine returned" from rise of Skywalker. Just because you personally don't like the explanation doesn't make it a problem with the movie. The problem lies with you. Maybe yall should call out an actual problem in the movie of the hallaulah mountains scrambling signals but the avatar signals being just fine getting through. I'm more concerned that you can sum up 3 hours of storytelling with: They go to a new tribe, train again, stop whaling, and flip over a boat. Nitpicking the few interesting concepts the film introduces to death seems like something that should be a lot lower on the list. Besides the tech is just a science way to do the same exact thing awah did when it transfered Jake's memories into the avatar body.

[@randomft]

@@daffy72you are correct, if you write a better movie in your head while watching it then yes it certainly does all function as I’m sure the writers intended.

[@daffy72]

@@randomft 😉😂

[@massPanic22]

Honestly Quatrich Story could have been interesting his new Dynamic being stuck in a Avatar body, sadly the story never makes anything of it, he's the same, there's no character or growth. This is a shining example of what Avatar is. It's a polished turd. A very shiny, turd.

[@dariovirga7711]

Wasn't Quatrich in an Avatar body the plot of a fanfiction btw?

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

@@dariovirga7711 Yes. There was a funny one where Quartich interfaces with Eywa as he dies and ends up subsuming the entire planet network.

[@nikczemna_symulakra]

Shorter, longer, whatever, whenever.. all things appreciated, just bring it on :]

[@Nostalg1a]

Avatar 2 was one of the worst films I saw in theaters and it was the first film that made me feel robbed by buying a ticket to watch such a childish movie that only seemed to focus on the CGI aspect, but COMPLETELY FORGOT TO DEVELOP THE PLOT FOR 13 YEARS.

[@Kernwadi]

"This film expresses the erroneous worldview towards the meta-wrongness often attributed to disestablishmentarism as applied to figments of expressions of idealistic piques of rage contained in imperialist fobbings." -Movie Bob's Sweaty Crevice

[@jonbondMPG]

Hahhahaaa 09:17 oh man, that's the best hands down the best moment on KZbin of 2023 for me, you win the year.

[@jamescollier9196]

You get a like for the subtitle alone.

[@Petrico94]

Pocahontas had a sloppy story even when it was released, to rework that into an effects display is certainly one way to make a movie I guess, but not exactly a sequel that took a decade. Lion King is close to Hamlet but also changes plenty, aside from Hamlet also being something high schoolers are expected to analyze for a month. Scifi can do some wild things but there's a point where you're in your own lane exploring aboriginals in space and you can just upload human memory to the cloud or clone indefinitely. Again the movie's plot is tertiary compared to the visual effects and making the sequel like the first.

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

I assume you are thinking of Disney’s Pocahontas. On a very basic level when Avatar (the first one) is compared to the most-times-not-historically accurate Pocahontas it is more in the genric sense and not in the very specific ‘Disney version’ sense. Honestly, Avatar 1 has WAY more in common with ´Dances with Wolves’ or Ferngully then Pocahontas. It is nothing like Pocahontas beyond surface level and it’s a weak criticism of the plot (which is not that deep, but also not simply ´Pocahontas’.) ´white colonizer’ meets ´native girl’ is litterally the only reason this lazy comparrison is made. Also ´space explorer lands on native planet’ for (reasons) to get (thing) and falls for Native (alien) girl is litterally just a Space opera base plot which can actually be done interestingly in the right hands. Star Trek did (and still does) some version of this plot on a fairly regular basis and the on-planet version (earth Colonizer meets earth natives and is changed to ´fight the system’) is a firmly base standard plot both in and out of sci-fi. It’s not about the plot existing, it’s really about the execution about how well it does in the context presented. It’s also notable ´coloniser man falls for native and is inspired to join/fight for natives isn’t the main through line of and doesn’t happen in most (fictional) versions and retellings of Pocahontas, Pocahontas ´joins’ the system of the colonizer and at most many Pocahontas retellings end in a theme of working with the colonizer not getting rid of them. The way to ´the future’ as presented by the theme of most Pocahontas retellings is compromize. Where as in the converted Colonizer story (such as the one used in the first Avatar film) the converted Colonizer must overthrow the system because it is inherrently corrupt and the ´natives’ must be preserved and will be destroyed by it. Such as in the animated film Ferngully for example. A fairly creative take on this idea.

[@lolcomicialsss3863]

All these points are so spot on!!! But then again, I still wonder if these matter though? I mean it did make a lot of money. So in a sense James Cameron did succeed in creating a story that is conventionally liked. So it also could be said that in the most objective standards James Cameron made a good story. Which I think is his goal. So are the story nerds like us really wrong about what makes a good story this whole time?

[@randomft]

People like it =/= good.

[@lolcomicialsss3863]

@@randomft Then what do you think defines good? Things that makes sense? But things that makes sense to me doesn't necessarily make sense to the whole wide world right? I mean we get so many people rationalising why Avatar 2 is the most sense making film with themes so profound right? While Citizen Kane only makes sense to the film students... What can even be a standard to define a good film/ story?

[@0TheJigsawKiller0]

a thing doesn't have to be good in order for it to be popular. those 2 things are not synonymous

[@THEINFINITIVERSESAGA]

11:35 I don’t even understand and comprehend the science of how that’s even works

[@MistahBryan]

The first Avatar movie was a "Let's hate Humanity" movie in my eyes, just like District 9.

[@thinkwithurdipstick]

At least Lion King put effort into its story. The story was the purpose of Lion King, I don’t think the same can be said of the first Avatar. It’s fine and all if James Cameron wants to play with his toys, but would it hurt to get someone with an ounce of storytelling ability?

[@randomft]

Cameron knows how to tell a story though, he wrote T1, T2, Aliens, The Abyss, True Lies, Titanic...

[@thinkwithurdipstick]

@@randomft perhaps ‘knew’ would be a better term if your most recent example is from nearly 30 years ago. I’m not gonna deny he’s made some great films, but he’s abandoned story for toys

[@thebatman4279]

Agreed. The story is so frustratingly...unambitious. It sticks so rigidly to a formula and is so predictable. Nothing happened that got me thinking 'oh wow, didn't see that coming!'.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@thebatman4279 That's been James Cameron’s style since at least Titanic. He’s become the cinematic equivalent to Applebees.

[@coltonwilkie241]

@randomft Ridley Scott could also tell a good story 30 years ago. I guess both James and Ridley have lost their writing ability with their rapidly increasing age and their trademark lack of actually caring about the things they make now.