Avatar: The Way Of Water - The Weekly Planet Podcast

[@aidanevans5239]

The original script had humans returning to Pandora to harvest the Na'vi's dead bodies to synthesize into a powerful drug that when injected intravenously would give the humans anti ageing properties, but was later changed to be given to the whale-like Tulkun creatures instead. The title was going to have been "Avatar: Blue Harvest", which was also the working title of the first Star Wars film.

[@CriticsCupofficial]

Ffs 🤦🏻‍♂️ 😂

[@creepycraiyons3519]

Brav-fucking-O.

[@jeremiahalguire8231]

You win the entire internet. Stay gold ponyboy

[@ted_cruzumaki]

Fucking hats off

[@blipmachine]

“Sorry for bringing my bitch wife” was my favorite line in the movie.

[@CriticsCupofficial]

Best PART I picked it up immediately

[@johanstone]

favorite part of this podcast for sure

[@jeffdecker9969]

I'm a simple man.. I see the podcast.. I listen to the podcast

[@drinkmydink]

Really!?! Me too! What a world

[@TopTwom]

What are the chances we all are doing the same thing here?

[@SailorDoggo]

I'm a simple man.. I see a comment under a podcast.. I leave a comment under the comment under the podcast

[@beatrixwickson8477]

I'm a complex woman. I hear the podcast.. I look at the podcast

[@johanstone]

what an original and unique comment

[@MicahEdmonds]

The bit in the middle with the sea creatures was the best part for me. The choice to take the time and live in the world gives everything else so much more meaning, and is the exact thing I’m frustrated with other blockbusters about excluding. I’m introduced to a world I can clearly see the filmmakers love and want to share, instead of underserving awesome concepts with inane brevity.

[@WeeklyPlanetPodcast]

I totally get that it just didn't really work for me

[@harrisonwhaley7872]

I really enjoyed the Marine Biologist character. It’s sort of a well known and danced around topic that most science is driven by commercial products and exploitation even though there’s people involved that are brought shame by how they are funded. Kinda interesting to touch on

[@michaeldavis8250]

People pointed out that the ship had "RESEARCH" written along the side, which is something that japanese whaling ships have done to skirt international prohibitions on commercial whaling

[@harrisonwhaley7872]

@@michaeldavis8250 cool touch to add for sure. As someone who has had to write grant letters for research purposes, you often are asking these big groups for money to study something they only want to kill and sell, so it’s very fitting that he is begrudgingly being paid to do the killing when he really just wants to study them and not hurt them

[@michaeldavis8250]

@@harrisonwhaley7872 at least he survived at the end, i think. They'll probably add him to the cast of human scientist friends that were in the background of this movie

[@harrisonwhaley7872]

@@michaeldavis8250 good point!

[@LivingLikeLarry12]

@@michaeldavis8250same I was scared that he’d go with the captain and that Cameron would’ve done a real cynical “your still the bad guy even if you’re intentions are good”. I really hope A2 is successful because I need more stuff from Pandora.

[@niceteal]

Sam Worthington actually became an actor between Avatar 1 and 2! Very impressed. He was sooo flat and boring in 1 but completely compelling in this sequel. Everything about Avatar 2 improved on the first. Very excited for the next installment.

[@Triforcefilms]

The variable framerates in Avatar 2 were so jarring for me. The whole 3rd act it seemed like they were changing from 24-48 fps from one cut to the next, back and forth mid scene and the shutter speeds seemed set incorrectly, the motion blur was off.... From too smooth, to janky and choppy, then back again, OFF, ON, OFF, ON. Really hope that wasn't a choice, and I just saw a bad projection.

[@juliescott4473]

There's a really good series of novels set in the Warhammer universe about a character named Eisenhorn and would love to see that as a series.

[@M1dniter]

I'd say Black Adam takes it for "The Game is On".

[@MrFaceNumeroUno]

That was actually one of the harder ones for me to pick. Exceptionally strong entrants.

[@caulinwhitewater4118]

that’s a good shout

[@Kango234]

I mean you are probably right, but Morbius was just so DESPERATE!

[@reptocilicus]

Intriguing

[@shouldntyoubecooking]

@@Kango234 I totally agree but its the fact we 100% know the Black Adam one isn't happening and it is so quick from the films release.

[@joshshiemke4153]

James Cameron should get into video game creation. He clearly loves world building and exploration more than story telling, I think he could make some awesome worlds for people to discover. Or at least fund the projects and have ideas that he can force people into creating

[@lyndsaybrown8471]

Like, an Avatar video game would probably be cool. Edit: thought about it a little more. A MMO that runs parallel to the movies - like maybe it is set in the future and you are trying to figure out what happens and you get a new batch like a week after the next movie releases. That would be some next level multi-media synergy.

[@joshshiemke4153]

@@lyndsaybrown8471 that or just like a subnautica game, other than the whole open underwater world to explore, but like a lot of people will either do the objective of the game and care about the story (idk what it would be. Maybe your character has to connect with the world tree or whatever by exploration and linking with the animals and killing invading humans), or you can just run off and explore with you water dragon or whatever they have now.

[@creepycraiyons3519]

That Avatar video game from back in the day is actually pretty good.

[@jussts]

"Now I am become Death, the destroyer of ball hairs... Christ on a bike."

[@MrFaceNumeroUno]

Voted for you guys for the Listener's Choice award! Still would have even if there were other options but you guys nailed it!

[@Valihir]

In the movie avatar (2009) they are trying to move a race of Blue aliens called the Na'vi out of their home tree to Harvest unobtanuim leading to the working title of this movie Blue Harvest which was also the working title of star wars original star wars

[@CursedWheelieBin]

Unobtanium sounds like a working title that could have been workshopped 😂. I damn near had to get my auto-correct in a headlock just to type “unobtanium”. Not-much-of-this-leftium 🤔 Hard-to-get-our-hands-onium 🤔

[@Valihir]

@@CursedWheelieBin same here 😂😂 its a dumb name

[@Tymbus]

I hear the water was cold while shooting The Way of Water that the cast turned blue and had to wear half vests under their costumes to keep warm. Some have suggested that THIS is the real reason the working title was Blue Halfvest

[@Valihir]

@@Tymbus nice😂😂

[@Elnis888]

As far as I'm concerned, Superman and his son dying on adjacent toilets is now canon.

[@J.O.R.D]

26:48 I completely agree with that, if done correctly the DCU can become an empire of itself like Marvel and the massive franchise it deserves to be

[@robbieclark7828]

“The next one’s gonna take place in a volcano!” Based on James Cameron’s recent details about the next movie, this was actually spot on.

[@Mungo10]

James Gunn should cast Vin Diesel as Black Adam.

[@feartheellipsis6608]

Most ejection seats these days are 0/0 meaning they can be used at 0 feet and at 0 knots/mph. He's going to be a little sore in the back, he'll be the newest member of the Caterpillar Club, and qualifies for his own Bremont watch, but he'll be fine.

[@shelbyvillerules9962]

I saw that clip and there's no way the pilot died from that.

[@FullMetalB]

The most brain-breaking part of "Avatar 2: 2 Much Water" was Jemaine Clement speaking with an american accent.

[@kinnexion]

I totally disagree with them about the hour of learning about the ocean and the creatures that live there. That was my favorite part of this film. It took me away to another world and built upon Pandora even more so, which made me connect more with the world and the characters

[@The_Axson]

Can’t wait for Snake Eyes review to come out next week

[@beatrixwickson8477]

You must have missed the scene where the military guy said "I know exactly which way they went and et cetera and so forth, let's follow them because we certainly know all the things, don't question it!". Now that's good screenwriting.

[@alepenagorbe9135]

I just love that the movie 65 seems to be following the recent video game trend of protagonist dadification. "Strong military man fights to protect child in hostile environment" describes both this movie, The Last Of Us, The Witcher 3 and (in a way) God of War 2018. Oh, and The Mandalorian.

[@raymondsmyth5338]

TETLEYS chocolate orange??! It's TERRY'S. TETLEYS is tea.i had to listen to this twice to check my outrage was justified.

[@WeeklyPlanetPodcast]

This will not stand. Mason will retire in shame or I will fire him

[@RileyDia]

Cliff Curtis is amazing in Bringing Out The Dead, he does some great impaled acting.

[@gavinmillar816]

"I have a pole up my ass....I need something for the pain"

[@Stryks]

RODNEY!!

[@LV99guy]

Rahdney...

[@anenemystand5582]

I'm not a warhammer fan. But I gotta say. Just capturing the ridiculous detail heavy scope of the universe would be a monumental achievement. Personally even with Amazon money I don't think they can do it.

[@FullMetalB]

Seeing 5 different names given story writing credit in the end credits made me laugh.

[@streetrat48]

Definitely explained a lot lol

[@happiaxxident]

Just saw AVATAR 2. For me, it’s a “perfect” movie. James Cameron is back baby… and on top! Best Movie Ever.

[@CrowTRobot]

I agree with James. DC absolutely has the potential to compete with the MCU. There are an infinite numner of incredible stories to tell in the DC Universe on the big screen, just look at their animated series. I love the MCU, even some of the phase 4 stuff like Loki/Shang-Chi/Ms.M/Spiderman but I was a DC fan first. Superman and Batman were my first favorites and I'd love to see the World's Finest dominate again.

[@UncleAir]

I had to rewind and make sure I heard a "Craig David" reference...that got my thumbs up this week.

[@ogrejehosephatt37]

Man, I think you guys convinced me to give Wet Avatar a chance.

[@creepycraiyons3519]

It’s honestly pretty good

[@chrisw2307]

Yoooo! My Legion of Superheroes letter got read! Bragging rights to my three friends who I consistently show COG videos to against their will 👍

[@DaDestroyer1986]

Black Adam is one of my favorite DC villains.

[@BlamoStramo]

ok

[@SirAsdf]

I like how the (spoilers to) part of the title is just a formality at this point.

[@harrisonwhaley7872]

Mason clearly missed the part about how the bad guys couldn’t reach Jake’s first base in the mountains, and then he also missed the part about how they saw the helicopter fly to the ocean, I mean call me crazy, I don’t really see how it could be any other Navi besides Jake who would be involved with the human helicopter

[@WeeklyPlanetPodcast]

They could reach the base in Na'vi Avatars

[@harrisonwhaley7872]

@@WeeklyPlanetPodcast yeah but they hadn’t found that out yet, they had only theorized that the avatars wouldn’t “trigger the immune response” and it proved to be true after Jake had left and they already had the helicopter flight data so why would they even bother with his old village anymore at that point

[@WeeklyPlanetPodcast]

They were gone for months, long after they confirmed the theory but before the jet was spotted. And even if that wasn't the case (which is possible seeings as the timeline is unclear) they didn't know specifically where they were and it would make sense to raid the village for intel

[@jaustill237]

Yeah there is definitely a scene missing where they decide that they no longer need to raid the mountain village before finding out about the island village.

[@AlMoSiCe210]

I need the Echuca Moama bit to be in the BEST OF 2022 compilation. That is the funniest shit to come to outta nowhere! 🤣🤣🤣 ...well... Echuca Moama, anyway! 🤣🤣🤣

[@RamenCupBMG]

I’m surprised that person said the middle dragged. For me the first hour I looked at my watch and said “it’s only been an hour!?” And then the second hour I was like “it’s already been an hour?!” And the third hour I was like “did we really need these kids to get captured immediately after going through all of that to rescue these other kids that captured😩😩.” High frame rate at parts made me want to vomit but there were parts when at the end when the characters were coming out of the water to catch their breathes and it just looked like people with blue face paint coming out of the water. That was the best part for me as far as the amazing visual effects go. Idk if that sounds sarcastic but it isn’t, I was truly impressed by that thing in particular. Overall 4/5 stars.

[@alexanderford3831]

Sometimes it feels like I watch movies just to get out and listen to this podcast for the review. Caught the last show of Avatar tonight, wondering why it was 8:15pm. Turns out, the theater didn't want to stay open past 2am.

[@DaDestroyer1986]

Only three of the five Scream movies are set in the same town. 2 was in some university town in Ohio or something and 3 was in Hollywood.

[@avidplanes]

What I appreciate about Jake and the navi is they don’t treat him like a child anymore like when they are teaching him how to ride or their culture he’s like yep got it like they save the children to act like children

[@jacksontodd7248]

maybe it was just me but I really liked the sigorne character. It is a lil weird but overall I liked her character and feel like she'll be a huge part of the overarching story

[@jbali101]

With so many spidermen in the movie I hope they explain why the 3 we saw allready aren't in the new one

[@shelbyvillerules9962]

Maybe I've just become desensitized to CGI at this point but is Avatar 2 _really_ that much more brain-meltingly impressive than any of the other stuff we get these days? Don't get me wrong, I thought the movie looked great but I wouldn't say it looked any more impressive and photo real than Dune or the Lion King remake for example.

[@Takuat]

I'm sorry to tell, you the Warhammer wiki is called the Lexicanum, not Lorehammer

[@DonJuanDecepticon]

I recommend going all in and watching it in 3d...if you arnt prone to motion sickness. It was pretty cool to watch. Hell take and edible and just watch it.

[@mr.dr0bot731]

I don't know who needs to hear this but good movies are rewatchable.

[@Kango234]

So I'll just say I actually enjoyed Avatar 2 more than I was expecting, but I'm not excited to see 3 more movies of animals destroying military vehicles. Hearing that the villain is returning for more movies has officially put me back where I was a week ago of not being interested in any more sequels.

[@robofistsrevenge3288]

Look, I'm a big fan of Gunn. And DC's attempts at a connected cinematic universe have always struck me as straight up bad. But considering how critical fans have been of Marvel's phase 4, general superhero fatigue, and now the backlash against WB for throwing the baby out with the bathwater in this major recasting...I can't for the life of me imagine this new DCU being "as successful" as the MCU. I'm sitting here trying to imagine a world where anyone buys this. Just make good movies. DC fans are starving for good movies, not _another_ attempt at a convoluted shared universe where you have to sit through hours of so-so narratives just so you can understand what comes next. Marvel should call it quits while they're ahead, too. Just make good movies...and then _sequels_ to those good movies, if people want more. Am I crazy? Is that a crazy thought?

[@iopohable]

disney is not gonna let the money train stop. but i agree, dc is never gonna make a 'mcu' best they can hope for is making cool movies maybe

[@AustinViolence]

I'm workshopping: Black Adam, Adam Driver, 65, Turok: Dinosaur Hunter... is there anything there? "The Rock: 65 Year Old Dinosaur Hunter"?

[@AlMoSiCe210]

So who wins The Game is On: MORBIUS or BLACK ADAM? This is MUCH tougher than any of us could've expected...

[@Kango234]

The hierarchy of the most desperate sequel bait teases has changed forever.

[@AlMoSiCe210]

@@Kango234 or... maybe this year's award could be an opportunity to get together and do some good...

[@creepycraiyons3519]

Henry Cavill is real life Superman. And Games Workshop just won the fucking lottery with him. I’m a huge warhammer fan. Nice to see Cavill heading up something he knows and loves well. Super excited for this

[@Renoistic]

Really enjoyed A2. Not a deep movie or anything but it did enough to keep me interested, and the effects and action sequences amazing.

[@1wayroad935]

We also have Kaine Parker in the main 616 timeline. Unless they killed him again...

[@AlienBmxican]

My friend described this movie perfectly as planet earth with guns

[@davezombie9056]

Can't wait for Sean Gunn's Lex Luther!

[@oops6876]

22:25 The Box? Did you mean The Circle?? Very different shapes lol

[@arthurbiniss5432]

So much movie. Serious titanic vibes in the final act.

[@jadapandy]

Avatar 2 kicks major ass!!!! Saw it twice already and both times crowds cheered. Be seeing it again.

[@WashingMachineMedia]

Wow! I really didn’t expect them to read my email lol🙈And Oppenheimer looks amazing! Can’t believe Nolan actually simulated the Trinity test *practically.*

[@Nitero_]

great video guys thanks!

[@zengamer21]

The bad guys followed Norm in the helicopter thingie to find them.

[@Deadpool3203]

I attended a screening last week. Cameron has done it again, terminating his decade-old husk with yet another record-setting sequel that no iceberg is gonna sink🤘🏽 Cameron has returned.

[@mucc1977]

A couple movies from now, Lo'ak and Spider will replace Jake Sully and Stephen Lang's character and continue their decades-long fight.

[@luckyspurs]

1:03:07 They study sculpture at Saint Martin's College like normal people.

[@raymondzrike]

Highly recommend A Woman Under the Influence if you were a fan of The Killing of a Chinese Bookie.

[@doctorboots1604]

I would love to see Cavill playing a character like Ciaphas Cain. Just a real coward and scoundrel of a man who, through his own cowardice keeps stumbling ass-backwards into greater and greater military success when all he wants is 10 consecutive minutes where his life isn't in imminent danger.

[@dukstedi]

Gooooood Mornin’ fellas!

[@That_Guy_Olly]

Talking Avatar, Michelle Rodriguez actually did return I'm fairly certain. I saw the film last week and I think you can hear her voice, but she's pretty much always in the background as you only ever her her shouting "yeah" or laughing. There's also the possibility that it's someone else and I'm just hearing things. Also seperate thing, love a bit of foreshadowing through epilepsy warnings in movies! Edit: Just checked, she's credited in the cast, but it doesn't say who she plays, they usually add their name as they suspect she is going to be in the correlating movie, but don't know who's she's playing so maybe it wasn't her? As it's still blank. Or maybe it was? Hmm... 🤔

[@joehansonn]

Honestly avatar 2 felt like just one big montage until the hour long fight at the end

[@TopTwom]

Christ on a bike.... what a podcast!

[@Tymbus]

Re: Oppenheimer. I was driving with my mother over a hill in New Zealand and spotted a huge mushroom clound rising over the horizon. I asked my mum, a Kiwi, what the heck that was. "I have no idea!" She replied. And yet we kept driving towards it! (It was a farmer burning grass, LOL)

[@Nightwing1933]

For Barbie, how it used to be is that there's differently named Barbie characters of various ethnicities, as well as barbie herself as different ethnicities. These days all the girl dolls are barbie and all the guy dolls are Ken.

[@christopherlee8989]

Black Adam was actually a good movie it just felt like what was the point it's not connected to anything is it it kind of is it was confusing and he didn't need to be the hero when he's the villain is the whole problem

[@madebyjonny7637]

bad guys track one of the helicopters when it came to help the daughter when she had a seizure, that is when bad guys found the water islands.

[@Patrick-jj5nh]

regarding China Avatar 2 opening - i think they gambled big on this.. however with Covid wave hitting them hard, i wonder if that will have an impact?!

[@harrisonwhaley7872]

I thought Sig Weaver’s character was played by a young girl until hearing that she wasn’t. I honestly thought the whole time that it was a child attempting to sound like Weaver and succeeding 😂

[@aidanevans5239]

Her body proportions looked like a shrunken adult to me and her voice sand face seemed like Sigourney Weaver's, and the whole time I thought my god why did they have her play her own child lol

[@liofalba]

The missed the Tom Cruise jump video by a day god damit

[@danielbear9183]

What if there's a countdown in Oppenheimer and you think its for the trinity test but then there's the trinity test scence and the counter still has a like a month to go and its really counting down to Hiroshima.

[@ooiiooiiooii]

Kratos is actually sympathetic in the first GoW especially. He screws up with making a deal with a god and he gets fucked over a lot. It is a lot of screaming and anger but there is some depth to his character even in those first 3 titles.

[@Luke-yx5ve]

Never had a Tetley's chocolate orange not sure they exist but they'd be pretty rank If they did🤣

[@LivinNexus]

Thank youuuu 🤕 I needed thiss

[@Sabakryou]

I'm excited for Avatar 2 but more importantly Red Notice 2

[@pvthitch]

In the Silver Age, Robin appeared in more comics than everybody but Superman and Batman.

[@kingfield99]

I wonder which will not be made at all first, the Warhammer 40K movie or the Judge Dredd TV series.

[@CursedWheelieBin]

42:05 A main character doesn’t have to be morally virtuous to be interesting. Tony Soprano and Walter White would be awful people in real life but in a tv show they were fascinating to watch

[@WeeklyPlanetPodcast]

Absolutely, those characters however have nuance and a compelling story arc. Kratos just screams and smashes things untill 2018

[@JiminyP91]

I think the universes are better when they have the weird fringe characters included with the big guns

[@glenellisquinn]

James. I want you to know that I heard you say "Janiel" at 1:42:45, a hilarious reference to those silly Aunty Donna boys. But maybe you actually said "Daniel," and Maseau simultaneously saying the word "James" made it sound like you said "Janiel". I hope you said "Janiel." Please confirm. Or don't, it's fine either way.

[@lrrroftheplanetomicronpersei8]

I haven't seen Avatar but I did enjoy critic Mark Kermode's alternative titles, including Shite-anic and Avasleep: The Way of Torture

[@shelbyvillerules9962]

Personally I would've gone for Avatar 2: Attack of the Space Whalers.

[@randomly_random_0]

cringe. if you think that's funny, it speaks about your taste in entertainment.

[@lrrroftheplanetomicronpersei8]

@@randomly_random_0 Thanks I'll take your opinion on board in my life going forward

[@randomly_random_0]

@@lrrroftheplanetomicronpersei8 welcome

[@MrCiris989]

What if the Adam Driver movie is a Turok in secret.

[@kelechiihebuzor9055]

Lorehammer is great

[@gimlym6641]

I'm pretty sure it was that they saved up all the stunt points during the pandemic and crashed a plane forreal during Tenet

[@BaithNa]

The original God War series wasn't meant to be telling the story of a hero. It was an homage to Greek tragedies and Heracles, a flawed individual is seeking revenge for the wrongful death of his family. Yes he's unlikable but so are 99% of characters in Greek mythology.

[@SSVegeta937]

There's literally text in the trailer for 65 that tells you Adam Driver is from the future and he went back in time to save humanity. Problem solved. You're welcome.

[@Terrible0x0Trivium]

It's so funny that the only other review for Big Wet Blue Space Cats I've read held the opposite opinion of the film. They loved all the big ocean scenery and hated the storyline. That's opinions, dude.

[@creepycraiyons3519]

Superman: The Way or Water

[@J.O.R.D]

Knowing Warhammer I did think who would Cavil be playing? 😂 let’s see what he does with this

[@501strookie]

I wish that with a dinosaur movie that's not affiliated with the Jurassic franchise, they'd take the opportunity to depict more scientifically accurate dinosaurs, but instead it seems like they've made them even worse. Compare that with Prehistoric Planet and it's way worse.

[@Matt-xc6sp]

How can the movie not feature Barbie Girl? Just give Aqua all the money.

[@2P4E]

Your slightly inaccurate 40k summary gave me a nice "stop getting Bond wrong" Partridge moment.