Avelia Liberty- Keystone Test

[@nathanielcaspari275]

The fact that the power cars don't line up with the passenger cars bother me for some reason.

[@dmrr7739]

Probably because you’re absolutely right. This is a brand new design and there is no reason why coaches and power cars shouldn’t match. It not only looks dumb, it will be a permanent source of drag and noise for the next twenty years.

[@cigaretteman5716]

💯Correct

[@drdewott9154]

I think it's because the power cars are of a design which is also designed for Eurkpean models so it has to be a bit narrower to fit within the European loading gauges. Just more of a thing with economics and universal compatibility more than anything, having one flexible design rather than having to design a new power car for every variant they get ordered.

[@canto_v12]

I can't get over the mismatched body taper.

[@josefstalin9068]

The passenger cars might be designed that way so they line up with the power cars when tilting, but I could be wrong.

[@adonislimes6156]

The new Avelia's look like spaceships on the NEC It's going to take a minute to get used to them blowing by old MARC trains at BWI

[@EMDSD14R]

Yeah it does. You know you using the word "spaceship" in referance to this train, got me thinking of the anine called Galaxy Railways. In that anime there are tons of high speed trains that fly or travel in space. Yeah for sure and even next to the current Acela its a whole new level.

[@NERJ607]

An even better seen would see a current Acela next to the new Acela racing also blowing by a commuter rail such as MARC. that would be a funny picture.

[@PGHammer21A]

@@NERJ607 Seabrook, College Park, and even Landover (MARC stations all) are in for a shock.

[@dolphignition7176]

Shouldn't even take a second - this new look has life and swagger compared to the boring old bland silver with small hints of blue . . .

[@haydendraycott7897]

Ikr, the GP39H-2s especially will look absolutely ancient next to that thing

[@ROTE]

99% Of comments: I hate that horn 1% Of comments: That’s a awesome train I am with the 99% and 1% lol

[@EMDSD14R]

😂

[@mile290productions3]

No, you're the 100%

[@ROTE]

CSX 5367 Railfan productions yeah lol

[@AirchimeLTDproductions174]

Yeah Im the same way why don't they just install the ACS-64 K5LAs on them or perhaps something a little more vintage like one of the P-40/P-42 K5LAs since those units are on the road to retirement.

[@MarioYoshi4723]

Nah, it’s more like 40 percent horn hating 10 percent Compliments 50 percent “US rAiL bAd hUr dUr”.

[@CityWhisperer]

Oh look, 21st century rail standards finally arriving to the US.

[@Salmagundiii]

And American Railfans are triggered AF about the Euro-horn. Just the comic relief I needed in these times.

[@paname514]

*20th century. Here, corrected for you.

[@EMDSD14R]

@@paname514 I just read this just to be sure "the Anno Domini era or Common Era, in accordance with the Gregorian calendar began January 1st, 2001 and will end December 31st, 2100" hence why we are in the 21st century.

[@EMDSD14R]

@@Salmagundiiihmmm I wouldnt say triggered...if you look back on Amtrak's history its not they first time they've ordered trains from France. The RTG Turbotrains came delivered with French horns. However, most got replaced with P5 horns when they were in service. People really couldn't hear them when blown. Its just a difference in cultures and rail standards between the nations. So there is logic behind why people feel that way in regards to the Avelia liberties horns. But yes there are people that just don't like them not for the reason I explained above. I mean people don't like everything at first. Prime example there are people to this day that still don't like the ACS64's which are based on the Euro Sprinters and Vectron's.

[@paname514]

@@EMDSD14R But these are 20th century rail standards ;)

[@pfink70]

2:48 - I think y'all could use a few more overhead wires in your neighborhood! ; )

[@EMDSD14R]

Yeah anymore then that and I couldnt film the trains..LOL.

[@paname514]

Typical American "modernity"

[@paname514]

@phillyslasher It just looks like any other third-world country.

[@NortheastCorridorFilms]

@@paname514 You had to ruin it didnt you

[@traingirl09]

I am really proud of Amtrak! First, they set up their game with the Siemens Charger units and now with the Avelia Liberty! There is a video on KZbin of the prototype leaving New York for Colorado and this unit a week later as well! I watched it back in January. I cried a little. This gives me hope for the future of rail travel!

[@EMDSD14R]

Yeah same here and don't forget the ACS64's, those are pretty cool. I hope I get to see a Charger out here. I want to see one up close.Yeah I actually filmed this same set when it was being towed to Philly. But seeing it like this makes me extremely proud! Things are changing and I can't wait for when the next set is ready.

[@traingirl09]

@@EMDSD14R, yeah the ACS64's! I knew I was forgetting one but could not remember it for a minute. I hate it when that happens! Yeah, they are good engines as well! I see you live in Pennsylvania as well by the SEPTA sign. I saw a Charger in my home state, Illinois, last year when I went to visit my family! They seem to be very darn good locomotives! I am not sure if you are familiar with Brightline (a private Florida passenger rail company) but they have Siemens Chargers as well and their interior looks similar to how the interior of the Aveila Liberty will look like! I agree with you! Rail is starting to change and I can not wait to see what this entails! I really hope that this is the start of a "comeback" of passenger rail here!

[@EMDSD14R]

@@traingirl09 I do the same thing. 😁 yeah and that's why amtrak has been doing long distance tests with them. Oh yeah I am familiar with the Brightline chargers. I like their streamlined look compared to the Amtrak units. Yeah I've live in PA my whole life so seeing Septa is everyday. Septa also got the ACS64's but there are somethings different between them and the amtrak ones. Yeah so true and not only that but in a few states like Texas they are considering bullet trains. I say its about time. I can't wait to see what happens next! 😁

[@traingirl09]

@@EMDSD14R, don't forget California! Brightline won the $600 million bond in California for the planned SoCali to Las Vegas route which is expected to be operational in just 4 short years! By what I have read, ground-breaking for trackage will start sometime this year! I believe there is also a private rail project going on somewhere in the Midwest as well (Michigan, I think). Yes, I hope this starts a domino effect as well across the whole country!

[@EMDSD14R]

@@traingirl09 oh yeah I forgot about that one! Yeah that's as major one right there. Indeed i hope it allows us to finally have an integrated high speed rail network.

[@SuperWorldRailFanProductions]

Wow, just a two chime air horn instead of those K5LAs. Guess we will have to be flexible with these new horns! At least it still has the E Bell though.

[@EMDSD14R]

Well it actually has two air horns. I saw a picture if them when they had the nose cover off. Only one was blown though. I feel the same way. I was expecting something powerful.

[@SuperWorldRailFanProductions]

@@EMDSD14R Basically, right below the windshield.

[@EMDSD14R]

@@SuperWorldRailFanProductions yeah thats where they're located.

[@ULRailfan]

@@EMDSD14R its like a European horn a high & low pitched horn

[@yaraihan]

@@ULRailfan Also BN-Holec Had These Horn Too. Why Then Those Airhorn (On Avelia Liberty) Didn't Donated To PT KAI For Kereta Commuter Line? And Avelia Liberty Use K5LA Like Others?

[@nenblom]

That’s a nice looking train! I’m proud of you Amtrak!

[@MetroRailProductions]

Incredible! I can't wait to see testing on the NEC. I'll be keeping an eye out for updates so I can know when to head over to Elizabeth.

[@HD2297]

Metro Rail Productions,I’m excited to ride to too in the future. The horn on the Avalia Liberty reminds me of the TGV.

[@EMDSD14R]

It is and I heard that late Sunday night early Monday morning it'll be heading to D.C. someone else also posted that comment earlier.

[@EMDSD14R]

@@HD2297 you should have seen my face when I first saw it today. It snuck up on me as I was getting home! It has two chime air horns like the TGV but only one was blown.

[@MetroRailProductions]

I live in Brooklyn, NY, and Elizabeth isn't too far of a trip into Jersey, and with it being an NJ Transit only stop, that means good shots of all Amtrak trains passing through on the 2 express tracks in the middle.

[@HD2297]

EMDSD14R,That’s cool. I heard that it’s going back to Philadelphia. Oh and here’s a funny part of the Avalia Liberty, The Avalia Liberty can go up to top speed of 220MPH and the Eurostar can go top speed of 208MPH.The Avalia Liberty is going to be faster than the Eurostar.

[@radicalpotato8208]

Wow! Amtrak is evolving remarkably.

[@EMDSD14R]

Yeah they sure are! I can't wait to see what other trains they'll get!😁

[@radicalpotato8208]

@@EMDSD14R I once had the opportunity to ride in an Acela between Boston and NY, and this rolling stock is a rapid evolution in terms of beauty, design, and seemingly smooth movement. I hope to see many more of such trains in Amtrak as well. You're right, I can't wait to see even better trains either.

[@PublicTransport4U]

It's great to see fellow train spotters across the pond!

[@EMDSD14R]

I feel the same way😁

[@PublicTransport4U]

@@EMDSD14R that's great to hear!

[@robloxgamingrailfanner420]

Wow an E-Bell on Avelia

[@ROTE]

ROBLOX gaming Railfanner yeah, it’s cool

[@EpicThe112]

The Avelia can reach 165 miles per hour 262 kilometers per hour it's between Princeton Junction and New Brunswick however it has to run that section at 135 mph 220 km/h otherwise the passing commuter trains would have the windows blown out

[@qjtvaddict]

Maybe they should truncate commuter trains at New Brunswick and have avelia trains make all stops to Trenton then resume express service

[@TestTest-fm2cu]

That cold efficient horn just sucks some life out of railfanning. Beautiful horns / whistles are becoming a thing of the past.

[@Nebarus]

Great speed too... I am sure they will hit 50 mph some day...

[@ROTE]

Bruh stop making fun of Amtrak, this train will do over 165MPH

[@76Darkboy]

@@ROTE until amtrak can get a train driving for long periods of time up to 186 mph amtrak is fast for themselves, but is stil slow for the rest of the modern world. But 165 mph is a good start 😎

[@staycgirlsitsgoingdown2]

y’all need to stop hating on the horn, Amtrak’s not changing it. It fits great with the train and nobody wants a freight train horn on a modern electric train.

[@EMDSD14R]

Amtrak probably won't change the horns. I mean you could say the samething about the Acela I and ACS64's they use the K5LA which is also found on freight diesels. Here is an example in regards to the horn sound and loudness. When Amtrak ordered the RTG Tubrotrains from France they had French horns. Most sets got those quickly replaced with P5 horns. The reason is because people couldn't hear them that well when blown. Amtrak also added Mar's lights because the original RTG headlight arrangement confused drivers at grade crossings. The RTG's headlight setup's were similar to a cars. The same concept could be applied to the Avelia as far as the horns go, meaning not being loud enough. But they've had to have passed FRA standards since they are on the sets. Let's see what happens because lots of things need testing and, those evaluations will determine if changes will occur on the next sets.

[@ROTE]

Thanos this is USA, not Europe

[@staycgirlsitsgoingdown2]

Railfaner 232 so? Amtrak could have changed the horn, but they didn’t. There not gonna change it all right after delivery unless there’s an actual problem with it, and a super loud horn would feel weird

[@ROTE]

Thanos a super loud horn feeling weird?? What about railroad crossings, this tiny horn nobody will hear while driving, and how drivers in the USA they will just continue in the tracks. And they will not be used to that type of horn. And also the train is from France. That’s why they have this garbage horn. And since it’s not in service till next year that means there is still a chance of it changing the horn to a K5LA or a P3

[@pathguy]

I love how the train looks inside

[@PGHammer21A]

*tiptoeing through the tulips in Paoli* - Yes; they have tulips in Paoli; on the northern side of the tracks.

[@PGHammer21A]

Here's a link to the footage AMTRAK is showing of the first Liberty test set @ TTCI - 165 mph. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWq9oIqnfr2Xaq8. I DID face-fault. (Not ALMOST face-fault - DID face-fault.)

[@switchhyper3202]

This train looks really good

[@tech83studio38]

Authentic TGV horn ❤

[@ROTE]

Tech 83 Studio the horn is horrible

[@StefanWithTrains]

@@ROTE this horn is the best

[@drdewott9154]

As a European I get super confused and weirded out when American rail enthusiasts complain about something like the horn of all things. I mean if anything these people are the primary spokespeople for the future of rail in this country and if their biggest complain is about a horn not sounding loud enough to get them "excited" then that's quite frankly really worrying. If anything a quieter horn means it would be better for those living up close to the rail lines to not have their ears blown off every time a train passes by! Even just stuff like that would by the looks of it give trains a much better reputation already due to the lowered noise levels.

[@EMDSD14R]

Hmm I can understand what you mean based on your persepective but let me shed some light onto why it might be an issue. If the horn isn't loud enough people might not be aware the train is approaching. If you listen to the previous Acela even at high speeds you can clearly hear its horn. Only one horn is begin blown and the Avelia was designed with two. Also quiet zones don't help around trains. I've live by trains my whole life and its a joy to hear them thundering over junctions and blowing their horns at night. And the tracks are next to my house a couple hundred yards or so away. People that complain that the train passing is to loud well you could say the same thing about the noise of a super highway. I think you should look more into why our rail standards are the way they are and maybe that way you'll understand why people are saying they don't like the horn. Yes some people don't like because they expected it to be something that they would be use to. Me yes I was expecting a much louder horn but I am also concerned that because its a new train a lot of people might not be aware of it because its horn is not loud enough. Now it had to have passed FRA tests because they are using it. Its like anything out there you get use to it. I mean I am not overly complaining about it because since its different I can tell when its coming. But you really have to listen otherwise you won't hear its horn.

[@drdewott9154]

@@EMDSD14R I mean I live in a small town in a forest and about 2 miles away there's a railroad served by little Alstom lint DMU's that use the same or a nearly identical horn to the Avelia liberty multiple times an hour and I can still hear those horns pretty loud and clear from that far away so they're definitely doing their job. And if someone can't hear a horn like that, or the bells of a level crossing then that simply says more about American drivers than their trains! Also I'll just say this but if you guys have level crossings at a railroad where trains pass faster than 75mph then you've kinda trapped yourself in a corner there with a huge safety risk to begin with. Besides houses shouldn't be built up against a highway to begin with without proper noise reduction precautions like noise reduction shields, tight vegetation and in some cases a berm, and no these aren't just opinions, these are literally the standards on the other side of the Atlantic. And you may be used to the sounds of trains passing constantly, but you're a rail enthusiast. Not everyone is gonna want all of that noise whether they have a choice in the matter or otherwise. And while I may be a rail enthusiast as well, I can see that some people wouldn't want to live with sleepless nights, and no ability to relax during the little free time they have and end up stressed out every day at work.

[@EMDSD14R]

@@drdewott9154 ok I see..and I assume it's quiet at night? So if that's the case even a horn like can be heard well. Take out sometime to study American railroads and the history behind them you'll answer all your questions as to how small towns sprang up from railroads and the grade crossings. A lot of areas for years have switched to under and overpasses because the speeds are higher. Prime example the NEC. So we havent been back into a corner. But lack of funding and politics hinder a lot of rail improvement projects to so that's an issue. I've seen plenty of videos from around the world were stupid drivers drive around gates or people walk in front of trains because they are either trespassing or not paying attention. Why do you think we have the strickest rail standards out of every other country? Its because someone wasn't paying attention, they were being stupid or a freak accident happen. But even with all those rules in place you can't prevent everything. I am more then just a rail enthusiast . I look at it from both perspectives. First off if your not use to the noise of trains why would you then why complain about them? The trains were there before you moved there. Maybe you didn't have another option to move elsewhere. I totally get and understand that and that's normal. But still and if the town has multiple gradecrossing and is busy line thrn why not have the railroad build a sound wall? There are other options besides "quiet zones". Now from s financial view quiet zones mean no need to build a wall. Some areas that works perfectly fine others not so much. I mean if I lived near a major engine terminal I might get annoyed because of the diesels idling. But I'd get use to it. I also understand that if your losing sleep over it then yeah I wouldn't be a happy person either. The problem is people don't have patients today, they don't do their research and they don't care. They want what they want then and now. Now if they did all that and more and nothing was done then patients and understanding might not be there. I am just using those as examples as to some of the things I see and hear. Those examples don't take into account any other factors. I mean you could say the same thing about living near an airport. I lived near Philadelphia international airport when I was a kid and trust me planes are way louder then trains. What I'd like you to understand as to why people are complaining about the horn and the dangers that could happen because its not loud enough. But we won't know until they enter service so let's wait and see.

[@diegoarpino2080]

Like many others said, the fact that the cars don’t line up with the locos bothers me. Did Amtrak say anything about this?

[@EMDSD14R]

Amtrak probably isn't worried about it. I mean the prototype has been doing speeds tests out in Colorado for a good while now. But it would be cool if they made a slight change so that everything was more even between the cars and engines. Lets see what happens when the next sets are built and delivered.

[@diegoarpino2080]

EMDSD14R hopefully it’ll look better. The trains in general are pretty cool though.

[@auzziecrunt8538]

I'm from a county where we have the 2 tone horn so I kind of like the new horn😂 some may now but that's understandable. I just grew up around that horn type so I like it

[@danielrbsutton]

I hope the final version of the Avelia Liberty trains have a more standard American train horn. With this kind of horn it is very difficult to tell what is approaching, a car / light truck, or train. This could be dangerous at crossings...

[@ROTE]

Daniel Sutton yeah, we need a K5LA!

[@Trainsforlife89]

So nice to see new rolling stock on the NEC, especially when made by a company as experienced as Alstom. Let's hope they will improve that horn. Can't wait to see videos of them thundering past your camera.

[@EMDSD14R]

Oh yeah I feel the same way. I think its cool we have our own version of a TGV. Yeah lets hope they change it! Oh yeah I can wait to see thundering at track speed!😁

[@PGHammer21A]

Alstom, in fact, built the Current Acela, and they build the stock for the New York MTA; that is what Hornell is there for. (It predates the Acela contract by a few years.)

[@mohammedmay]

Well to be honest, the horn sounds decent.

[@EMDSD14R]

Not sure if your in the area but its on its way to D.C.. It left Philly at 10am.

[@vishc645]

Ok, this air horn on the new Acela trains is already enough to confuse me between whether not game fans are blowing their horns (because they sound alike) from a distance or if a new Acela train is blowing from a distance. Amtrak should have stuck with those K5LAs. These aren't loud enough!

[@EMDSD14R]

Yeah I agree it wasn't that loud at all. I was expecting a k5la or hybrid type but not a subway horn

[@austin8292]

This is a test they’re most likely going to put a much louder horn once they go into service

[@slovak_eagle]

It´s by Alstom, ofc it´s going to have a French/Italian sounding horn. Whether they change it or not is up to Amtrak now.

[@friendlyneighbourhoodplatypus]

I love the horn, it sounds modern

[@RailfannerJones]

Same. It kind of sounds like a Metrolink Rotem.

[@954aviation]

@@RailfannerJones the metrolink rotem I think has a 3 horn chime, but this only has two horns, but I agree.

[@ROTE]

It’s the worst horn ever

[@StefanWithTrains]

@@ROTE it is the BEST ever

[@Old_Gunslinger_Wild_Bill]

Good its great seeing these new locomotives in action

[@EMDSD14R]

Yeah to be honest these are the quietest trains I've ever heard. It snuck up on me at Paoli Station.

[@Old_Gunslinger_Wild_Bill]

Yhea they were very quiet that's what surprised me

[@Lodai974]

@@Old_Gunslinger_Wild_BillThis is the same technology as the two lastest generation of French "Duplex TGV". They use asynchronous motors with VVVF IGBT inverters. This requires less ventilation for cooling. The acela 2000 or Acela I ,had same technology of "TGV Reseau" "(blue TGV with one decker) -->asynchronous motors and thyristors.

[@PGHammer21A]

@@EMDSD14R It tiptoes through those tulips on the north side of the tracks on the Keystone Line - from St. David's to Paoli at least; possibly all the way to Exton. (Yes; I saw them in 1979-1980. Real tulips. I'm still wondering who planted them. And why starting at St. David's? The Keystone didn't even STOP at Exton; nor did SEPTA stop west of Paoli.)

[@PGHammer21A]

@@EMDSD14R Why do you think I made that *tulip* comment? I spent two YEARS among those tulips @ Paoli - 1979 and 1980 - all except a single trip on SEPTA service - which snuck up on nobody. Even the one AMTRAK trip didn't sneak up on anyone - the National Limited (the next-to-last run it made; yes - the successor to the Twentieth Century Limited - like the Twentieth, it stopped @ Paoli.)

[@brucehain]

That's part of the four-track "Main Line" reduced to three. The spacing is 13'4". (ample) There is also an adjacent parallel two-track line - now reduced to overgrown embankment and 20th Century bridge structures - run to seed. There must have been a change in plan at some point.

[@TheREALTHAAANG]

These things will be zooming past the acs 64s and the amfleets.

[@PGHammer21A]

Why else did I mention all those MARC stations between DC and 30th Street Station? Just between DC and Baltimore there will be railfan cameras with their lenses blown off.

[@calebtrains2261]

@EMDSD14R I Think They Look Incredible. Can't Wait To See Them In Service.

[@EMDSD14R]

Yeah they look sharp! I totally agree!

[@calebtrains2261]

@@EMDSD14R I Think Their Horns Are Bleech!!!😝 Though, But That's Only Me.

[@daveander22]

I was hoping for a steel bell. But the horn is okay.

[@larailfan1714]

I think that horn sucks.

[@NERJ607]

Not being mean but why would they put a steel bell on a modern train like that even the toasters had e bells at one point

[@larailfan1714]

Mech bells would suck on this bad boy.

[@larailfan1714]

Mech bells would suck on this bad boy.

[@mysticmetfan]

Thank you for capturing and sharing this!

[@EMDSD14R]

Anytime, thank you for watching and enjoying the video!😁

[@Finetales]

The Avelia looks much better at speed than it does going slowly or stopped. It's gorgeous in motion. But yeah...I can't deal with that horn, and I'm not really a fan of the paint either. Still, I'm excited to see it in revenue service, especially in tandem with the Acela sets.

[@justinvreelandmusic]

If this is the new Acela on the NEC, the old ones should put onto the Keystone Corridor

[@AnthonyBrusca]

I think they are just being retired or sold to commuter railroads.

[@davidb.5781]

No there introducing 4tier service with the old ones

[@davidb.5781]

@@AnthonyBrusca they arent

[@AnthonyBrusca]

@@davidb.5781 4th tier? So the Super express Boston-NY-Dc, normal Acela, NE regional? What's the 4th?

[@Taetapez]

Anthony Brusca p.

[@spadesofpaintstudios1719]

I find it’s kinda nice they finally got 30-40 year old tech I’m sure the bullet train will serve Amtrak well I will miss the older engines though from the past 10 years because it’s what I grew up with

[@ROTE]

Awesome! If Amtrak decides to electrify another route it should be the Los Angles to San Diego

[@EMDSD14R]

Most def and that would be cool if they did!😁

[@mec3403]

I can’t wait for this to start high speed testing and come up to MA, I’ll be seeing it for sure if Facebook is on my side with alerts lol

[@MrBnsftrain]

I'm surprised the Avelia is testing under Amtrak wires so soon! I'm also surprised that the horn is a European-style one and not a K5LA

[@PGHammer21A]

I'm not surprised one whit; the Avelia Liberty is a modified Pendolino (the mods are required per the Buy America Act; Alstom itself posted that on their site for the trainset) The Pendolino (in original or modified form) is in global service; however, in only ONE country is the Pendolino produced unmodified (all THAT means is that the US is not unique in having their own version of "requiring local content on their trainsets").

[@EMDSD14R]

@@PGHammer21A The Avelia is also based on the TGV trains and even though it is, its not exactly same train. Its been redesigned and built specially for U.S. FRA buffer standards and crash safty so in those and other regards is essentially a new variant entirely. The trucks though are identically to the newer TGV truck's but built to U.S. standards.

[@PGHammer21A]

@@EMDSD14R That was basically what I posted - it was WHY I said that the Pendolino was only produced in a SINGLE country without mods; every country required local modification (the US was not alone there) - I was getting sick and tired of the US getting swiped at for requiring local mods, which is why I was pointing out that while the Pendolino was the base, every country but one required local mods of the Pendolino base design - per Alstom itself. The N700TC is a Shinkansen built for the Texas Central Railway; again, the Buy American Act gets in the way; I hear very little griping about that. (I'm waiting for that creature to get to TTCI - which it will have to for certification.)

[@AustinTrainsOfficial]

I knew from the beginning it was gonna have a garbage horn lol. Nothing beats the Acela and K5LA Hybrids

[@Dannyedelman4231]

Put a Nathan P5 on that thing please

[@rinievanaart2871]

New Acela. Nice outfit. Great Eddie. Thanks.

[@EMDSD14R]

Yeah man it was something to see. Thanks buddy!👊

[@gliese909]

The front looks like the Rotem GTX; however, the GTX is approx. 627 US tons (the weight of an original Acela; whereas new Acela is only 420 tons. Just slightly lighter than a Thalys set.

[@gliese909]

I meant Rotem KTX

[@EMDSD14R]

@@gliese909 you know since you mentioned that train I can see that the Avelia does share similarities to the ktx.

[@gliese909]

@@EMDSD14R The future Avelia Horizon does too, since it's part of the same family, but only bi-level.

[@EMDSD14R]

@@gliese909 oh the Avelia Horizon. I need to look that up online and see if they have any drawings of it.

[@Waitukubuli]

You got the train at its maximum speed. Impressive. They will probably operate it at slower speeds than this for safety reasons.

[@epincion]

Of course the elephant in the room is that the new Acela will still run on track that is shared with slow poke trains and not dedicated to HSR as is in most of Europe and in Japan.

[@EMDSD14R]

Yeah it'll share tracks with other rail lines. But someone commented and mentioned there are plans for a new line for them. Lets see what happens though.

[@mile290productions3]

Why can't the Avelia Liberty have a P01235?

[@RailfannerJones]

It's an Amtrak.

[@joecies]

@1:23 - that's some fine design work right there.

[@csxfan1972]

I wonder if they will import a k5la like all the other amtrak locomotives.

[@EMDSD14R]

They might do that.🙏🙏

[@cp9831]

Weird horn, looking forward to a video of it going full speed! Cheers.

[@EMDSD14R]

Yeah its different and I feel the same way!😁

[@PGHammer21A]

@@EMDSD14R - That is why I was worried at the 165 mph test speed; Alstom itself has stated - rather plainly - that there is more there. 165 mph is not it? What the heck is the ceiling of the New Acela? Can it even REACH said ceiling on the NEC? (Remember what the ceiling of the CURRENT Acela Express is on the CURRENT NEC; we have records of that. We don't know if New Acela is faster or - Ghu forbid - SLOWER on the same track.)

[@adonislimes6156]

Christopher Estep they’ll run 160-165mph at during initial operations next. The trains themselves however are designed for 186mph or 220mph (if the tilting mechanism is deactivated) assuming we upgrade the NEC infrastructure

[@dolphignition7176]

Honestly Idk what's wrong with people not getting used to this new color scheme when the current (soon to depart) color scheme of the Acela Express is SO BLAND!!!

[@roachtoasties]

That service should be on all Amtrak's tracks.

[@Major_Tom98]

Yep, and we’ll never be alive to see it.

[@ROTE]

No, that would take way too long

[@Buc_Stops_Here]

You have to wonder how many spare parts are used on this train - you notice the one red door near the rear of the train in the last moving shot. I doubt that is the door that came with the first train set originally. Still nice shots.

[@EMDSD14R]

I am pretty sure that red door means first class. But I could be wrong. Both sets left the factory like that. Thanks I am glad you like the shots!😁

[@Buc_Stops_Here]

@@EMDSD14R Thanks! That would make sense and I wondered about it!

[@player3prime]

Does anyone know why the train has two engines like a TGV and not two steerer carriages like your typical modern EMU (ICE3, Hitachi Javelin etc.)?

[@EMDSD14R]

I don't think Amtrak wanted highspeed emu's. Those would have to be built to withstand a crash for U.S. standards. I think they could be built but might have been more expensive and heavier. The Avelia is lighter then the current Acela trains. They also have a modular design meaning parts can be quickly changed or the consist expanded depending on ridership demand. The same thing could be done with the EMU also but Amtrak chose this route.

[@eastpennrailproductions]

Is it just him in the station but that rain looks short

[@EMDSD14R]

The platform is pretty long compared to what it use to be.The train has 9 cars total.

[@eastpennrailproductions]

@@EMDSD14R no like the height

[@natestrains1166]

I wish they would have made a tilting mechanism for the power cars too. Not having a tilt mechanism in the front basically means the train will not go any faster than other trains around curves. It also means that the lack of the bulge on the power cars make them not line up properly with the cars. It looks really odd that way. The paint on the train, and the horn are growing on me, anyways nice video!

[@EMDSD14R]

The X2000 power car didn't tilt and the current Acela power cars don't tilt. But they have the trucks that allows them to take curves faster. The reasons the cars tilt is to counteract the forces exerted on the passengers and keep them up right and comfortable. Since the power cars are locomotives there's no need for them to tilt. Now if this set was a full emu then the whole train must tilt because all sections of the train carry passengers.

[@natestrains1166]

Ah, I see. Thanks for informing me!

[@EMDSD14R]

@@natestrains1166 no problem!👊

[@NickyMitchell85]

Will the Keystone 🔑💎 Corridor 🐝 running HSR 🚄 like the Northeast Corridor anytime soon?

[@EMDSD14R]

I don't think so..its a super curvey line so you can't got that fast. I mean with the tilt tech that train has it would reduce the travel time from Philly to Harrisburg.

[@NickyMitchell85]

EMDSD14R I understand. But it's electrified ⚡️ isn't it? Hence why they tested that electric ⚡️ train 🚅 ? Maybe they could run higher-speed trains 🚄 but they could 🐝 go slower if usage of that line should increase?!

[@harrisonofcolorado8886]

Why are they also testing the trainset on the Keystone Corridor? Do they plan on using the trainsets for the Keystone Corridor at some point?

[@odielodie]

This looks so cool!

[@EMDSD14R]

Yeah its unreal up close. 😁

[@odielodie]

EMDSD14R they are gonna sound like jets rushing down the northeast corridor

[@EMDSD14R]

@@odielodie oh yeah for sure!

[@odielodie]

EMDSD14R and also can’t wait till a model in ho scale comes out to the public. I’m gonna get my hand on one as fast as I can

[@EMDSD14R]

@@odielodie I might buy two myself😁🙏🙏

[@colamations5066]

Those are my favorite Train Bells

[@JD-kf2ki]

Please come to California.

[@ROTE]

J D there is another high speed line being built in California, finished by 2029

[@matthewwielgosz9095]

Nice video Ed.

[@EMDSD14R]

Thanks Matt!

[@matthewwielgosz9095]

@@EMDSD14R My account got terminated. Threw my cameras away

[@fbesonia]

Dude, Avelia Liberty is awesome. I hope they replace the Acela Express

[@EMDSD14R]

Yeah they sure are! Well that's the plan they are replacing the current Acela trains.

[@dpbl9931]

i want to see the Acela at full speed!

[@EMDSD14R]

Same here!🚅🚅

[@PGHammer21A]

@@EMDSD14R - That is why I referred to the 165 mph test run from TTCI that Amtrak released; only to find out from an Alstom presser that there's more speed there. 165 mph (incidentally, that exceeds the top of the CURRENT Acela at TTCI) and there is more to be had? Uh fricken oh. What in Ned is Alstom chasing? The top speed record for ALL Pendolino trainsets - regardless of location? Someone chase down what that is currently. It could well be "uh fricken oh" indeed.

[@amtrakfan4068]

Oh look it’s Acela Jr

[@HarrisonPeloso]

cant wait to start chasing this train all over the place

[@EMDSD14R]

I am glad they weren't speed testing cause this train would have been long gone if it was.

[@orionharmon6017]

The New Amtrak Acela is finally beginning to be tested in the northeast corridor, this is exciting, well this is going to be a farewell to our old Amtrak Acela Express it were our bestest USA bullet train that runs in the northeast corridor if it's not a farewell for the old Amtrak Acela Express then they must've remodel the old Amtrak Acela Express into a New Amtrak Acela Express.

[@Ajczarnecki]

Does anybody know the reasoning for why the power cars and the rest of the consist dont line up together?

[@EMDSD14R]

This is just a theory but I think the cars where designed that way for crash safty. But that shouldn't affect why the bodyshells of the power cars don't line up. I think they might make changes to the next sets after this one is tested. Lets see what happens.

[@timgarner850]

Why are they testing it on the Keystone Corridor?

[@EMDSD14R]

Testing different components of the train and qulification. Amtrak did the something with the ACS64's.

[@SBSZStudiosmoved]

1:15 first horn on Avelia

[@DV_Graph1cs]

Please tell me that horn is a test

[@EMDSD14R]

Sadly no. That's the horn it came with from the factory.

[@DV_Graph1cs]

@@EMDSD14R Please tell me they can equip another one

[@EMDSD14R]

@@DV_Graph1cs I mean they could but I don't think they will. Lets see what happens when they enter service.

[@daboidarwin1299]

Virtual railfan confirmed

[@DDELE7]

The Acela should be expanded thru Pennsylvania and Upstate New York

[@ROTE]

Chris de Leon no, they run on the NEC

[@deborahmaciak5692]

The horn should be a Southern Pacific P3 or a BN RS3K horn!

[@cadespencer6320]

or a leslie s5t horn

[@utahrailfan1946]

Am I the only one that noticed that the locomotives and the cars don't exactly match up on the sides?

[@EMDSD14R]

Nope your not the only one.

[@916_Nix]

I think it’s a functional design related to the tumbling effect these cars can do to relieve g forces through high speed corners for passenger comfort

[@EMDSD14R]

@@916_Nix yeah I was thinking that sane thing.

[@SuperWorldRailFanProductions]

Ok guys, can we go easy on the comments regarding the horn? Thanks!

[@antoineyoung36]

no. i need them to change it, idk if a wabco a22 would fit

[@Traintrooper]

The horn sucks I hope it is changed

[@collinparsons3363]

It's a European design. The big K5LA horns are pretty much only in North America.

[@shanewalters4171]

There's 2 horns on the train located in the nose, I think the second one's fouled, it'll hopefully sound better soon enough

[@centralcaliforniarail]

Collin Parsons And this is North America, so it should be changed

[@Traintrooper]

The horn is bacicley a fake lesly s44

[@orionharmon6017]

I still don't like the Graham white E-Bell because it doesn't have a good tone in it, I kinda like other E-Bells that has a good tone like Amtrak Cascades has a different E-Bell but not the Graham white E-Bell.

[@EMDSD14R]

So the Avelia has a Graham white E bell? It sounds similar if not the same as the ones on the ACS64's. Thanks for that info I learned something new😁

[@orionharmon6017]

@@EMDSD14R Likewise 😌🙏🙇💙

[@boweandrew3]

does that have a hi and low two tone horn? they should use both so people get used to what they sound like

[@EMDSD14R]

It has a two chime horn but only one was being blown.

[@keepithonest4626]

Will they be replacing the coach class Amtrack trains on the east corridor.

[@EMDSD14R]

Amtrak has plans to replace the Amfleets. They were testing Siemens built high speed coach based on the Brightline train coaches. But those trains won't be high speed trains. They'll still be loco hauled consists.

[@AweShiyte]

Not exactly a fan of the horn, but I guess I could make a distinction between an Acela and a normal Amtrak train?

[@EMDSD14R]

The horn is so distinctive to Amtrak since mostly they've used k5la's. One the second day I knew it was coming because I heard that horn.

[@AweShiyte]

@@EMDSD14R honestly, it sounds like the conductor is opening the window, and sounding an air horn outside of the train.

[@EMDSD14R]

@@AweShiyte 😂

[@robertolopessoares3128]

Congrats!!!!!

[@CentralJerseyRailfan]

Nice catch? sounds like SiC-VVVF

[@ULRailfan]

put a K5LA ON IT!! that horn is just ewwwwww

[@jackpez]

Ikr its so ugly

[@FordEscape12345678]

Do you know when they're gonna be testing on the NEC?

[@EMDSD14R]

No I don't. I do know not enough people are qualified to run it. I also know more then likely its begin towed to D.C. today for that reason. This is what I heard and read. The time is unknown as of now but I am keeping a close lookout for any new info on when it moves.

[@EMDSD14R]

Its on its way to D.C. it left Philly at 10am. I hope you can catch it!

[@FordEscape12345678]

@@EMDSD14R I don't think I can catch it that early but if it were to come to New Jersey I would love to catch it.

[@Mjoseph117]

I love these trains but I wish they had better horns. I would’ve preferred these trains more if they had 3rd Generation K5LA airhorns

[@nayadadedjouma8490]

What with the horn i through they would have k5las

[@derrickgoodman8434]

Beautiful.

[@TheBhartiyaTrainee]

So, this is the latest railfanning sensation of the USA! Looks futuristic! BTW, why not 250/300 kmph? Greetings from India :-)

[@EMDSD14R]

Yep it sure is!😁 well since it was the very first test it technically wasn't accepted by Amtrak. Not only that but the crew has to get familiar with the train. During this test they were looking at various parts of the train to see what it did. Well its designed to do 220mph but inservice it'll do 160mph. But not on this line though. Oh yeah and seeing it up close is amazing! Greetings from the USA!🎇🎆

[@TheBhartiyaTrainee]

@@EMDSD14R Thanks! Will you cover the high speed trials?

[@wsx2000lol]

I understand why the horn isn't popular but honestly a KL just doesn't fit the train, it isn't a diesel loco

[@EMDSD14R]

I understand what you mean. But you could say that about the current "older" Acela trains. It had a K5la and that horn is used plenty on diesel locomotives. Even the ACS64's electrics have have two of them. Both the Avelia Liberty and previous Acela's are based on the TGV's. Maybe they chose those horns for a reason.

[@DeltaFish11]

Interesting only one pantograph?

[@EMDSD14R]

Yeah from what I heard in regular operation it'll run like this. In France the TGV's are run the same way.

[@RyanHatterer-Ryanns999]

@@EMDSD14R To give you an idea, the old Acela sets didn't have power cables running between the two power cars, in this case the power cars are connected by a very thick power cable that sends the 11,000 or 25,000 on the NEC runs on between the two.

[@TheRailwayDrone]

Most high speed trains in Europe and Asia run using only one pantograph.

[@Lodai974]

@@TheRailwayDrone Yes!! because as said so well Ryan Hatterer, there is a power cable that connects the two power car, which allows to lift a single pantograph, in general that of the push motor car, more aerodynamic, as in France for a long time.

[@EMDSD14R]

@@RyanHatterer-Ryanns999 yep that's correct!😁

[@lennysvideoz]

will they be running on NEC?

[@EMDSD14R]

Its made at least two trips to D.C. after this video was made. More testing is planned though and it once more people are trained on it and its accepted by Amtrak the speed tests should start.🙏🙏

[@lennysvideoz]

EMDSD14R Ok great!

[@landontherailfan4017]

why cant this on have a hybrid K5LA just like the others

[@EMDSD14R]

We can only hope they change it. 🙏🙏

[@arnoldsingleton6561]

When will they test it on the nec

[@EMDSD14R]

It went to D.C. yesturday. It left Philly at 10am and then returned. I couldnt film that trip though.

[@IainHendry]

Great video! I can't understand how Alstom managed to make the engine's profile not match that of the coaches. The coaches have a nice tapered side but the engine is straight vertical walls - makes a really ugly looking transition. The previous generation of trains had a much better design aesthetic.

[@EMDSD14R]

Thanks! And about the cars from what I've been reading the cars designs seemed to be based on the pendolino while the power cars are based in the the TGV horizon units. I looked at pictures of both and the profiles match.But still even if that's the case it might take some work to get the cars shape to line up with the engines or vice versa. That's a lot of metal work so lets see if they'll make changes to the next 26 sets.

[@robertoloera4359]

Will they add the K5LA horn on these trains

[@EMDSD14R]

Who knows at this point. They might change them then again they might not. 26 more sets are to be built so once they evaluate this set and the prototype they might make changes to the others.

[@robertoloera4359]

@@EMDSD14R thanx for the info Cheers my friend

[@EMDSD14R]

@@robertoloera4359 anytime buddy!👊

[@cmag19]

the fact that this thing has a European two-tone will definitely not continue to be a thing when it gets put into revenue service.

[@ДмитрийЗапЕвропа]

Looks very good! It's a pity that it goes so slowly, I would like to see it at full speed.

[@EMDSD14R]

Oh yeah its amazing! Well I am glad they weren't speed testing because I wouldn't have beat the train to the next station. They'll do speed tests on the NEC hopefully soon.

[@matthewhanna9115]

EMDSD14R it’s max speed on the northeast corridor is 160 mph but only on a few miles of track :(

[@EMDSD14R]

@@matthewhanna9115 yeah sadly that's how fast it'll go.

[@matthewhanna9115]

EMDSD14R however, there’s a new high speed rail route in development that will allow these trains to run at 220 mph but it won’t be complete until 2040 :/

[@EMDSD14R]

@@matthewhanna9115 oh really? So a dedicated line? That would be cool! so are they designing it or building it? I'll be 50 years old by then if its built😂

[@davidng2336]

It’s gonna be awesome when it starts running. Hopefully it will be more reliable than the current ones.

[@EMDSD14R]

Yeah I can't wait!

[@ginogalante]

This is awesome!

[@EMDSD14R]

Thanks and it sure was!😁