This is Part 2. It may not be the most elegant of driving examples on this channel, but as a test of Before and After, consistency is what matters. Don't miss Part 3 where we test wider track front and rear with clear results! kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6rHZYOmrLdpbdk
@blackdogrcracing1127 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this vid! Offset from panhard had me thinking I assembled wrong. Set mine wide all 4.
@RCTNT Жыл бұрын
I think i had best results using narrow, but it's been a while. I did have a follow up video it might be worth checking out if you're still tuning yours. They're good once they're sorted out!
@shoky11TV2 жыл бұрын
It's also obvious that it suffers from a high CG....failing to right itself is evidence of this. Perhaps a droop setup and/or taller shock towers would eliminate a few of it's short comings. I'd go for the low hanging fruit and try wider 4.75's with metal bead locks to start with. Great investigative series this will be and will no doubt help out people purchasing this rig, who would have otherwise been puzzled as to it's lack of climbing prowess. Great work as always Craig - sort this rig!! haha
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Only changed the track! That's all! The tyres could be better, yes, but track change alone made it worse. Next time, I'll go the other way - wide at each end. It'll be an interesting follow-up to this one!
@TonysRcTechboom2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic information and demonstration mate 👍 its a great Crawler, they are testing rocks to be fare on the fella 😁 either way a awesome video my friend 👍 🇦🇺🇬🇧🇦🇺🇬🇧👍
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
You bet, they're intentionally challenging. But the proverbial teacher is hardest on the best students, as the potential is waiting to be realised. We'll get there!
@Warby12 жыл бұрын
From what I see, It seems to be held back by its tyres. Lacking traction and maybe a bit too small.
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
They're a little hard around the edges. Agreed! We can address that, I think!
@scalebuildersguild2 жыл бұрын
@@RCTNT Definitely the one thing that will change your mind on this truck! I wish that Vanquish stopped including them actually! Great content here, love your repeatable course, I'm hooked!
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'm a fan of your work also. I'll be playing with this rig in the new year and we'll see where we get with it. Plenty of potential, tires are the next stop. Cheers
@CornholioMcGeeRC2 жыл бұрын
You gotta change the tires man I’m no expert like you but I put a set of jconcepts tusks on mine and it made a whole new truck out of it. Love your videos!!! 👍
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I think you're right (and I'm no expert either, just a sucker for crawlers) - tire modification coming soon. I've got a few new sets of tires to add to the testing we did previously, too. Hopefully will get to that soon! Cheers
@ScaleDude782 жыл бұрын
You’re “freshly built” experience matches mine and a lot of others, confused. Time to make some changes even though it doesnt make sense why you should have to.
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
We shall see! I think it'll get there - and without spending another cent on it. Continue testing!
@madsrcbuggy2 жыл бұрын
I like how you're including your old doggy in the videos, very nice! Yeah, that car seems clumsy and toy-like on your course, it's kind of interesting. I wasn't just about to buy one, but when I saw the videos I did think it was fantastic! I'll see if I can watch a couple other videos with it, see if I can get some sort of fair impression of it. So different, this crawling part of the hobby, from buggies, it's good fun! Have a good one there, mate!
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I've got a follow up coming tomorrow that'll balance out the experience with it so far. And buggies! Man am I enjoying them right now! That's a whole different set of videos but I'm getting experience first before I take it to the camera. Super fun though!
@rcflashcars2 жыл бұрын
cool vid! big like!!👍👍👍
@josepharrington8080 Жыл бұрын
Would like to see a review on a Phoenix straight axle and see it conquer all 6 problems 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💯👍🏿
@RCTNT Жыл бұрын
Heh, that might happen. I have serious doubts about it beating problem 4 at least, but it's possible. We'll see!
@jrgilbert795 ай бұрын
Brotato the F10 curry axels are longer in the front by 3ish mm than the rear...so if you want the tire width the same the closest you can get is 12 mm hubs front 15 mm hubs rear.
@RCTNT5 ай бұрын
Handy, thanks for that 🙏
@shaynejenkins4462 жыл бұрын
narrowing or widening isn't going to help it rock crawl like you want. its sold as a trial truck, so your gonna need to do the regular mods to bring the cog down. just like a trx4 or an axial scx
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
We'll see :) Next video drops tonight. I agree with you in part, about the COG bit. I've been through this with many trucks before over many years and I like to start with just the machine itself, before any money is spent. But sold as a trail truck? This design screams rock crawler: solid, locked, live axles. Single speed. Low gearing. Overdrive. DIG. These are all rock crawling-biased elements. A trail truck might have IFS at least, unlocked axles, two speed transmission, or at least higher gearing, etc. So, the plan is to see how far we get with configuration first. What's there to lose with experimenting? Thanks for tagging along, I'm actually excited to see how far we get with it before another dollar is spent. Cheers!
@Andy_Yates2 жыл бұрын
Oh I could feel that frustration. I start breathing like that and I need to step away and take a break. I'm sure you'll get this thing dialed in. You probably already have and we have to wait for the next videos :). I appreciate that you're working to make the supplied parts work well (like you did before with the other trucks' supplied tires). Like others have said, it feels like a combination of the cg and foams/tires are holding this truck back for your course. Really curious what a decent set of tires with some aluminum or steel beadlocks would do for the Phoenix, but we'll see how the track width changes its performance! 👍 At least your paint job still looks cool underneath the lexan 😅
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Heh, yes I'm grateful for that! Lexan is good like that! And we'll get this thing dialled in, for sure. I won't spend money on it yet. Got a few things to try first!
@stevewest72602 жыл бұрын
I could feel your frustration, when your expectations are high and you get let down. I'd quit beating up that body and concentrate on making a good trail rig.
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve, that sounds wise. But I want to see this thing crawl better, so that's what I'll work at. Interesting vehicle, to say the least! Cheers
@danielkonrad14442 жыл бұрын
What do you expect from a rig with 12.3 wheelbase on high, round Rocks. It is going to hang itself up on the Belly. First thing you should do, get rid of the crappy tires.
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Tires are next, you bet. If you look through the scores of vehicles we've tested on these same problems this year, you may have shared my expectation for better performance. I very much agree, the tires are poor! Good call - that's what we'll play with next, in January. Thanks for watching!
@royhopkins61972 жыл бұрын
Maybe you should try some different tires...or try it with 0 percent overdrive if possible
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Tires, yes. It needs the change. Or fix. Overdrive? I think it's probably good at 6%, honestly. I'll keep that up my sleeve for future work if the other $0 mods don't help, but I'm still confident we'll get all 6 out. Just gonna take some work!
@jeffsrcchannel21912 жыл бұрын
Ughhh unreal, says it all. Still, it looks awesome on the trail I'll bet :)
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Hm, I dunno. Well, yes - it'll *look* amazing on the trail. But performance? Unsure as yet: locked, live axles. Single speed gearbox. Low gearing. Overdrive. Dunno, it might be. I'll get to that, but first, we're gonna make this thing crawl better! Next video on it drops in 2 hours from right now, then in January we'll get to doing something about those tires! See you there :D
@jeffsrcchannel21912 жыл бұрын
@@RCTNT Heavy beadlocks all around and Hyrax tires, go time :) (fingers crossed for it)
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffsrcchannel2191 lol maybe at some point. First I'll get as much performance from it as possible for $0 :)
@jeffsrcchannel21912 жыл бұрын
@@RCTNT 😁
@rcwhore65482 жыл бұрын
see, when you finally found the line,.. the Phoenix made it
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Persistence pays! Always more to improve :)
@VermontScaleCustoms2 жыл бұрын
Maybe cut your foams or use softer ones. The tires seem like they are causing this by not conforming to the surface and just letting go when they start to get traction. Larger diameter isn't always an answer if the tire can't function like it's supposed to. If they're too firm and can't compress to actually use the traction, that's what's happening. That thing should hold on just fine with good rubber.
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. That won't be next video but tire modification is Coming Soon (TM). Thanks for the thoughts, I think you're spot on here.
@tonyvarela9042 жыл бұрын
The stock wheels and tires are no good . Throw some method 105's with hyrax and that thing will climb everything
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Hey Tony, thanks for the idea. I made a video about it recently: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHXch2d3lK6cfrM Not Hyrax, it's true, but definitely was interesting! I'll get bigger 1.9s on it soon out of interest. Cheers
@marleybrown45542 жыл бұрын
Try softening the tires up with wd40 if u have any laying around
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, yep, always have wd40 here. But I'll be grooving these rather than chemically altering them. We'll see how that goes first. Thanks for the idea, it might be a good backup plan.
@danweiss49282 жыл бұрын
Watching in a video most looks like it could benefit from 10 mm longer shocks. Just before it flips when it hits the center pan the tires are trying to reach out. That gets a little momentum and just flips quick. I would say it was a very good test. Because it really showed some of its shortcomings. Well just like all rc truck things can be worked out by spending money on aftermarket parts. Ouch!!!
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Stay tuned, next video we get closer to solving things, specifically without spending money!
@YoShImUrA532 жыл бұрын
That was... frustrating, to say the least. I was totally sharing your groaning and moaning as you struggled on each part. I'm also 100% with you on wanting this to work, for all the great technical features it has. It should perform better than this... yet it struggles on every part, and I can't really point my finger to one clear single issue, from where I'm standing. To try to lower that CoG, I'd say, maybe remove the overdrive servo and lock it on 6,5%? I really think removing at least one of the tranny's servos can really make a difference for pure performance and the CoG. But then again, I think the icing on the cake of this rig is just being able to switch on that tranny... so I'd be a bit baffled too. I sincerely hope the wider rear and/or an alternative set of tires (I'd start with Element's General Grabbers to get a known, great performer you already have and can easily test) bring it back to where we all hoped it should be. Impatient for the next video. This series has left more than one of us on a cliffhanger! :D PS: that Problem 5 music made me think of a more a more determined and hopeful mood of things to come... (sadly wasn't the case) The music reminded me a lot of Tangerine Dream's music for the movie Risky Business.
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Thanks and yes, agreed on several points there. Fwiw, I have removed the front servo and locked it at 6% already. Haven't got to mentioning it yet in the videos as I'm still working my way over the rig. But rest assured, we'll make progress on this thing. Just gonna take some experimentation to get there!
@modzilla742 жыл бұрын
Seems like the tires aren't grippy enuf and it looks like it could use softer inserts.
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
You're not wrong! We'll look at that once we have the track sorted. Thanks for your thoughts, you're on the money, I reckon.
@aalmuhairi2 жыл бұрын
Sorry to what i will be saying . BUt i was so frusttrated with your driving it, the only thing i learned is your not given it its right time and not angeling it to its correct point to hook. your rushing it and pushing too fast. i have one and found it likes slow momentom crawle. am using both front and back wider, added Hyrax tires and brass. its beating all coures i been too.
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
I take your point, but I tried slow (see previous video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/en-UiqaiqpiLqc0). The big difference between our experiences may well be the brass and Hyrax you're running. Try the stock wheels and tires on the same problems you're currently conquering and I suspect you'll find that 'slow' is just not effective with this setup. (If it helps to know, I've got a follow up video coming with wide track front and rear and from there I think we will have more in common!) Thank you for your thoughts here :) Glad you're enjoying yours!
@aalmuhairi2 жыл бұрын
@@RCTNT Totally agree, stock tires are ment for trail. your problems are way hard on them. being skinny. but keen to see you go through upgrades and how they work out in your problems. wish i had my own backyard coures.
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
@@aalmuhairi the problems need to be hard so that we can get useful comparison between vehicles. I've put maybe 30 different vehicles over it in 2021 and that gives an idea of relative capability, which is useful to those of us evaluating which crawlers to consider for builds, comps, drives, etc. We'll see how far we can get the VS4-10 without spending money on it first. Still some things to try yet! Thanks for your thoughts :)
@666impreza6662 жыл бұрын
Just get the element.. “problem (s)” solved… 🤣🤣
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Lol, correct, but NO! Performance or bust!
@PowerhouseOffroad2 жыл бұрын
Gunning it over a couple of rocks is no test of a truck's capabilities. This was painful to watch. Might want to pay a visit to westdesertwheeler's channel and pick up a few pointers. Uggggh.
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Heh, it was painful to drive, too, I can tell you! If you missed it, I discuss this in part 1 about slow always being preferable to fast, until it isn't. We also had a better time of it in part 3, which published about 20 hours ago. Thanks for dropping by, I hope none of us has to endure such heavy driving again! The VS4-10 body won't take a lot of punishment like that, to be sure. Cheers.
@rcwhore65482 жыл бұрын
its your driving, its obvious, sorry truth hurts
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Well yes, it's always my driving! And since I'm consistent - even if I was terrible - it means any comparisons are of a higher quality. Not scientific levels of testing, but enough to be useful. You get the idea. Thanks for watching!
@mitchrozelle2692 жыл бұрын
It is just a toy get over it!
@RCTNT2 жыл бұрын
Well, apply that to everything in life and you'll have the beginning of wisdom. Thank you for watching me play with toy trucks! :)