Awakening A 2000 Johnson 50 HP With "Irreparable" Lower Unit

[@apackwestbound5946]

Brandon thank you again for documenting what you do for the rest of us to enjoy. Great stuff & THANK'S again!

[@Zman817]

I have learned so much from this channel. Recently bought a 1989 Evinrude 100XP. Previous owner "Deleted" the VRO. Still had the pulse limiter. They also decided to put the old style choke carbs and smaller intake from a 70's 85hp on there. I was like, Brandon would have something to say about this engine. Got it all fixed up though.

[@denttech8447]

I really appreciate a tech that cleans stuff while they are there. So many dont give a crap and just leave the nastiness.

[@BrandonsGarage]

Youre probably the first to comment on that. Nothing worst than opening up something to discover nasty.

[@sharonkasper5126]

Great video. Liked your verbal guidance keeping us informed. Small but important trick. When heavy corroded screws won't let loose, place screwdriver in screw slot and heat the screwdriver. Corrosion will melt and loosen screw. Do not force screw if still stuck or it might break. Repeat as before.

[@waynegalvin4639]

Good mechanic for sure. I bought a 135 Evinrude 135 Hp Silver Starflight from a fellow that had the same sort of experience with the dealership. I put Weisco pistons in it and re sealed it and it moved my 17 foot runabout along very nicely.

[@ddcurrin]

Thank you for your videos! I’ve used a lot of your methods rebuilding my lower unit on my 1975 50hp Evinrude and helping rebuild the carburetors on a 1976 55hp Evinrude.

[@regio81]

Dude just want to thank you for your videos I couldnt have rebuilt an old 71 johnson I bought without you and a few others out here.

[@topcabdriver50]

I enjoyed watching the removal of the VRO, I have a 50hp johnson I'm working on cheers.

[@camorama666]

"DO I want the one that's falling apart or the one that's no good?" love the commentary.

[@helicopterjohns]

Thanks again for a nicely detailed video. John

[@kyleunderwood7410]

Wow I learned a bunch from this!

[@jeffbrummette1622]

Hey Brandon!! Love your videos keep making them please. Does the wind blow there every day? Lol

[@newmoon54]

Brandon 23 year old fuel hoses .................... OUT ~!~ LOL~!~

[@northernmnmike2508]

Watching you videos. Love them. Love that you chase threads. Start buying Bottom/Bottoming taps. It pulls the garbage out instead of hand / spiral taps...which push garbage down.

[@skismosis]

now i remember why i told my neighbor ,that was a boat engine mechanic that i did not think i would want to start working on boat engines lol, that is a lot to remember ,glad it is something you like, i love mechanics buttt. lol nuff said.

[@cccdlphipps]

I really learned alot watching this. I have the same motor on my pontoon.

[@mercmanwon]

I have the exact lower you needed from a bad power head motor. I also have a couple more of them. Always someone who needs one.

[@BrandonsGarage]

send it on over!

[@mercmanwon]

@@BrandonsGarage send my your PayPal ID

[@kyokomodo]

I have the same motor. I wish I had the knowledge you do when it comes to maintenance on it....

[@harrytselios4228]

Great video, thank you

[@ericcharland2960]

So, I Just watched your video. Very helpful but, I am having a problem. Same motor, replaced impeller, no clogs anywhere and still not peeing. Really hoping you can help

[@BrandonsGarage]

Did you use sealant on the top and bottom of the metal plate?

[@ericcharland2960]

@@BrandonsGarage what metal plate? Where the impeller sits? I don't recall a "metal plate"

[@ericcharland2960]

Would love a call from you so we could talk instead of this

[@ericcharland2960]

813

[@ericcharland2960]

786

[@Newbgainer]

Man I really like that work bench, how about a video on it?

[@StrangeDuder]

Great Video! I hope you do more of these. I wish I had your skills.

[@mikedurhan9941]

Those two stroke OMC/BRP 2-cyl loopers do shake a lot at idle.

[@dazco123]

Until the mixture needles are set, you won't know how well it will idle. Any factory settings are just a starting point. I'll presume the throttle plates were dead even. I'm sure you'll button it at the sea trial. When cleaning most OMC carbs the throttle butterfly should be shimmed open somewhat, since the throttle plate doesn't expose 1 of the transition orifices until the plate opens slightly. I'm sure you opened and blew it out with air anyway, but for the popcorn eaters at home... I'm sure the shop was salivating just getting a good trim unit, very pricey and gearcases are the other piece of gold on those.

[@mikedurhan9941]

@@dazco123 Yep. But, the 2-cyl two stroke loopers still shake a lot at idle.

[@mitchz.6234]

Nice job guy.....learned some more stuff....keep the vids coming.

[@markfranks48]

Good video I like this kind of content thanks

[@trueasdrewvn7132]

Brandon's garage is my encyclopedia of everything Evinrude/Johnson that I can afford!

[@Mercy1976]

What isbthe stuff you soaked the carbs in? Tin can?thanks for the video

[@xing2365]

Thanks for the video! Do you have the parts number for the two fuel pump mounting screws?

[@jimdrechsel3611]

Interesting to see. Would you know if carbs need to be removed to remove the intake manifolds when replacing reed valves on a 1991 225 Johnson?

[@savmarjanac1627]

Hi bud, I have a 1970's 70hp Johnson outboard. But I need the tilt trim unit and can't find any in Australia. Plus I need the main nut that holds the bracket to the motor, " the big nut". Can you help? Love your videos and they have helped me out a lot. I also have a 1986 ish 150hp Johnson v6 too. Cheers Sav

[@davecole2230]

Hi there, You have done a awesome job on this video. I've just bought a boat with a 2000 50hp Johnson with only 200 hrs. The bottom leg of engine has a huge amount paint missing. just wondering what type Of paint do you use? Is it either enamel or 2 pak paint. Kind regards David

[@vb9300]

Great stuff, I had an 89 that did the same thing. I have been binge watching your videos and I have 2 questions for you if the time is available to reply. When you do all of the water pump replacements, what is the reason behind NOT replacing the thermostat to insure a healthy cooling system? I recently bought a 91 johnson 40, guy started it with muffs, ran ok, vro deleted, idled fast. He cleaned carbs, replaced water pump, replaced lower unit seals, held pressure and replaced oil. What would be your list "to check out" from there? Kinda new to this stuff, guess I am asking for some advice. Thank you for your time sir.

[@Billeye]

Looking at gas filter I have same motor is the arrow on ful filter pointing down

[@samtate1260]

Sweet not repairable lower unit yeah right good job 👍🏻 as always

[@elmore119]

Yes yes you can use the old fashioned caps With the big O ring gasket that's what I'm using now till I can find the original One that will work

[@kristdaa4612]

I'm just wondering I have a 89 50 horsepower 2-stroke Johnson motor on my pontoon boat and I was wondering does it have to have a fuel pump on it. As you can tell im most ignorant about this

[@threesetstofailure9941]

Dropping straight up knowledge in here. From a fellow marine engine part time tinkerer. Gears are common to be the cause of "issues" in a lower unit. Improper shim clearance is part of the restoration. The shop manual should spell out the correct play or correct shim tolerance at some point. Maybe bad or quick service at a shop or haphazard homeowner garage install without knowledge of what he was really doing.

[@artslade125]

Latter description sounds like me without a garage ( just in my backyard ) and I ain’t no mechanic lol!

[@artslade125]

My man you did an awesome job on this old motor which some mechanics told u lower unit unrepairable , like u said just replace it ! I would love to know how much u gave for the unrepairable motor and the 48 lower unit and parts to get u to a operable motor? Myself I’m about to take on a rig I bought for $600 , it a 17’ bass tracker I have to look at paperwork to see wat year the Tracker Evinrude 40 hp ( not sure wat year tracker used evinrude 40hp for their tracker 40 hp. ( maybe u know the year they used evinrude 40 hp?) anyway I bought the whole rig thinking they wouldn’t take a unrunning motor for a trade in right? So I see so far they just plugged up the oil line going into the motor but are still using the VRO SYSTEM to pump the premixed oil and gas up into the motor , but I watched a video on a 93 40hp evinrude conversion which they eliminated the VRO COMPLETELY! and did wat u did with that 50 hp , all I have to do is buy a new fuel pump and I’m gonna replace all the gas lines just to be on the safe side . I just need to watch and see wat they remove off the front of the motor and replaced it with a plug like u also did. Wish me luck cuz I ain’t no mechanic lol! Thanks for ur great video buddy! Tight lines!

[@michaelthorpe9560]

I have a Johnson 50hp outboard I have no idea how old it is but am guessing it's about a 1999 model, it belonged to an outboard mechanic who could not get it to tick over in gear, it would stall every time you put it in gear to pull away, he used to rev it up the engine then "slam!" it in gear. docking it was fun though, as it an uncontrolled crash! I spent weeks getting this engine to run right, and the only way I could get it to tick over any were near right in gear was to increase the idol jet size. it's a darn silly idea using fixed jet carbs! anyhow my point is, an old engine needs more fuel to do the same job as a new engine, so if you have an old engine that won't tick over very well try increasing the idol jet size. you make a good video and it's much better because you use a tripod, some don't, and you get very seasick trying to watch them!

[@kking1106]

Where did you get the tool to check your float level at? I definitely need one of those.

[@diggindiggenit6540]

I have a 50 hp johnson 1984 can't use it for trolling like I did the 30 hp johnson just a bit to fast for the fish to catch up. Nice work enjoyed the show

[@-Viceroy-]

Leroy's Ramblings and Brandon's Garage - Those are the go to online places if one has OMC related problems. (and Old Jhonnyrude if you want to know how almost any small OMC outboard runs)

[@coastalcleaningandmaintena2884]

What do u prefer for your boats older 2 strokes. Newer 2 strokes or 4 strokes?

[@BrandonsGarage]

Well I would prefer a brand new boat. A twin engine center console, or a cabin boat. But those are out of my price range, so bring on an old 2-stroke.

[@coastalcleaningandmaintena2884]

@@BrandonsGarage yes prices of boats have gotten stupid. In 2007 i bought a bayliner 175 with the merc 3.0 alpha 2. Ordered a sick tower with light bar and 4 speakers. Loaded two 10 inch subs and fit 1 8 inch bazooka tube under the dash. I also had the board racks both sides and some other belks and whistles. Total cost Canadian pesos 16k. Out the door taxes everything. Granted i installed everything like the extras. But that boat i used it almost every sunny day full of friends for 10 years. Did no maintenance other than air and oil changes and lower unit every spring. And i never had 1 problem in that 10 years. Sold it in 2018 for 8k but now for 15k canadian pesos you can get anything new or even close to it. Unless its 14 feet or smaller

[@rustysmith2360]

The pressure tester you use, is it that something you made? I've looked for one and can't seem to find anyone who makes them.

[@dvc4you]

Sorry, of topic. I am about to buy a Mariner 9.9 long shaft and wondering if it is essentially a Mercury. Parts interchangeable? Same quality? Thanks

[@natehowell793]

Depends what year.

[@natehowell793]

What year is it?

[@danstoops8501]

Where are you located? I can really use your help!

[@hankschrader149]

Brandon I've got a 2000 6 hp Evinrude 4 stroke in my garage with a broken throttle cable. Any ideas on where to find one? It never had one when I bought the motor so I have no idea the length etc....I don't even know if it runs yet 😂

[@cnn94001]

My 1997 johnson 50hp seems to have issue with water flow. Took the lower unit down, run a garden hose to the water pump inlet port, it takes over 20 seconds for the water to come out the pee hole. Is it supposed to be that long? can't say it's clogged up 'cause water came out. Any suggestion what to do next? thx

[@cnn94001]

I'm trying to take the lower unit apart on my 1997 50hp Johnson outboard, which is every similar to yours here. The Thrust Bushing is stuck on the prop shaft, I can't seem to find the right puller tool that would fit inside the case to pull it out. Do you have any suggestion for the tools ?

[@BrandonsGarage]

I use a tire spoon, and pry a bit all the way around it, one loose, two large flat heads.

[@jkllc817]

How hard would it be to take this exact 50hp motor and add HP say to like a 60hp ? Thanks

[@BrandonsGarage]

Actually pretty easy; the hardest part is being able to remove and replace an outboard. What you do it remove the outboard from the boat, sell it on craigslist, buy a 60 HP, and install it onto your boat.

[@jkllc817]

So nothing like just changing carbs? Probably have to change heads etc? I want to stick to the 2 stroke smoke ha

[@jamesread11]

Mustie and Brendan outboard tear downs on the same day.... oh well, I had nothing important to do today

[@gillgetter3004]

Nice I need one remote with long shaft

[@randyraynor299]

I need the number off the bearing inside the drive shaft retainer housing. Mine is unreadable and I can't find any info on it Can you help?

[@toddswan9737]

Nice rebuild! But should find or matched paint or painted the lower black.

[@robertshelton3796]

Check out this guys thumbnails: kzbin.info/door/0woBco6Dgcxt0h8SwyyOmw Like that. Or if the GF is willing to help, you can also do something like Jake and Nicole: kzbin.info/door/VJgocEWT3u49_4GtulGHnQ (hint, you never see the thumbnail in the footage)

[@BrandonsGarage]

welllll, shes not against it...

[@kevinshultz3082]

I have Johnson 48 an I'm trying change the lower but the good lower I acquired has shorter shafts an rod , can I take the shift off the old an put on the newer

[@BrandonsGarage]

Other than the shaft and shift rod, are the lowers the same? Same shape, similar year, etc? If this is for a 1989+ engine, and the lower you received is also for a 1989+ yes, you can swap the driveshaft and shift rod. However, the driveshaft will need to be shimmed, requiring a $400 shimming jig. Also, you'll need 2x new pinion nuts to torque it correctly. There is a driveshaft shimming service you can use to avoid some of the cost of the tools ebay.us/oIAhMN

[@cnn94001]

so ... in your opinion, is it worth it to fix an outboard this old? or just simply replace it?

[@BrandonsGarage]

a 2000? fix it. In the outboard world thats pretty new. many people are running engines from the 70's

[@javiermontes3777]

What is the name of that tool to check the pressure

[@fat-fromage]

I have the same it starts at the star pilot a soft idea that can? thank you

[@jessystine2197]

Keep the vro unless it's bad they are very safe and reliable if there's not water in the oil tank. Great videos!

[@robertshelton3796]

Mustie1 is doing a bunch of boat motors -- time for a collaboration

[@daddyfixer3963]

Is water supposed to be shooting out the relief holes like you said in video my 95 40hp johnson does the exact same thing. Just curious if that normal? Thanks

[@allensnook7760]

What is that color of the lower unit,i like it alot!!!?????snooky pa.😂

[@Bigtime_mcalpine]

Hi Brandon, thanks for the video. I just picked up the same engine and it has the same problem. Lower unit is cooked - no reverse or forward. I thought I might be able to replace the pinion gear, forward and reverse but if it’s going to end up costing $1000 there’s no way i’m doing that. The gears themselves don’t seem to be too pricey, what other parts would I need to bank on getting? Any info you could provide would be helpful. Thanks, bud.

[@denttech8447]

Do the non VRO engines not have a fuel filter?

[@miningwayne935]

Awesome vid mate! Love the way you work...you obviously know your shit! I wanted the vid to keep going! My VRO is disconnected, but i think i'm gonna remove it....i also hate having that shitty old oil tank in the boat.

[@Maysin777]

Looks like you did this once or twice?....Very impressive and great job!

[@meco72104]

Nice save.

[@rickkyriakopoulos1103]

Hey Brandon, have you ever had the opportunity to work on a 1994 Mercury 60hp 2 stroke outboard ? My problem is I rebuilt the starter , put a new regulator on it. It ran great took it out. Beached it on my lake . And that was it ! My neighbor towed me to my pier. No power but then I by pasted the regulator and and jump started it directly to the starter and it started, I was thinking the regulator I bought that came from China is bad , or do you think it's a bad ground wire or something else ? I don't have a meteor to check it .

[@eric_seguin]

Bought a chinese cam sensor for my truck. Blasted thing was wired backwards. Cost me $420 to figure it out and I'm a retired mechanic. I don't do chinese anymore.

[@josephm40]

Your slogan should be, Brandon’s Garage - We repair the Irreparable.

[@benickert414]

Need to get a Mike to put on you, a good portion was really poor audio, too far from the Mike. Really enjoyed the video, great you talked through the processes.

[@edgarhorton6769]

I have a 73 Evinrude 235 horse I am in Tennessee like to know where you're located hard to find somebody to trust to work on my boat motors

[@artdombroskie7573]

What is the difference between a 40hp and 50hp Johnson engine?

[@BrandonsGarage]

10 HP. 🤣🤣🤣

[@BrandonsGarage]

But seriously, its the carburetors and head.

[@artdombroskie7573]

@@BrandonsGarage Johnson part numbers for carbs and the head are the same. Are the Reed valves the same?

[@BrandonsGarage]

I don't know where you are looking. Part numbers from a 2000 J40RLSSM - 0439458 CARBURETOR ASSY. 40 Models 0439450 CARBURETOR ASSY. 50 Models 0339540 CYLINDER HEAD. 40 Model 0340100 CYLINDER HEAD. 50 Model And yes, leaf plates are also different- 0395442 LEAF PLATE ASSY. 40 Model 0389810 LEAF PLATE ASSY. 50 Model

[@artdombroskie7573]

@@BrandonsGarage Ok, thank you!

[@robertshelton3796]

CROOKED engine shop said this was "unrepairable" Is this the gear case from the dump? Add Fixed it with free parts from the dump!

[@Orbacron]

Saved that one👍

[@AshbyCribb0531]

How much you want for it?

[@edwardhowe6336]

I missed the part where you installed the water pump😢

[@DanielZiegler-q6j]

Thanks for another great video. But I will say no way that motor has over 600 hours on it.

[@Reeser00]

My spark control rod is set about like this engine. Not text book. Guess I’m ok😊

[@davekimbler2308]

So how much tied into that outboard ? You come up with the dangist tools ! Lol. My outboard tool box consists of a screwdriver, pliers , brass hammer , coil alignment ring , continuity tester a 3/8” and 7/16 and 1/2” and 13/16”along with shift rod seal remover ! Oh and a lower unit pressure tester ! So now you have a $2k to $2.5k motor ! 👍

[@BrandonsGarage]

Well, I've thought of that too; my issue is the replacement lower. I'm going to call it the value of it, not what I paid for it. If you consider it that way, I'm $1,200 into it. I have some high dollar K&O Outboards sitting on my shelf. I paid $40 for one of them- That doesn't mean I have $40 sitting on my shelf, as its worth much more; I have $700 sitting there collecting dust. And yeah, I do have some fun tool. A full set of OMC service tools almost; only missing a couple. That shift rod remover is really all you need; but if you find a vintage seal puller for the 5.5-9.5 HP lowers, it makes lift much easier.

[@mercuryrising9174]

@@BrandonsGarage say brother have you thought about using those boat moters to repower other things like a 4 wheeler or motorcycle? That seems like it be a badass project and the vehicle would be awesome. Like you would use like a radiator for water supply and cooling but also it could be air cooled being in the open

[@billwolfe3207]

why did you skip over the water pump part

[@ct1762]

you should really take out the float if you need to bend it down as its easy to jam/wear that needle in it's seat using that method.

[@rickygs6434]

I wanted to see it go in gear. lol

[@BrandonsGarage]

I think I forgot to record that.

[@psi23k]

That's why I thought he put the prop on and put it in water lol

[@larrylarryb7456]

just needed a reason to upgrade from a 2 to a 4 stroke

[@southseapirate1]

Why do you flip the fuel manifold? I have a 1999 which I suspect has been converted from VFO. Mine is facing opposite. Should I expect issues with it facing the original way?

[@terrybarrs9651]

Do you want to sell the Johnson 50hp.

[@BrandonsGarage]

maybe...

[@rogermaybrier3306]

Like a little more information about removing the vro

[@eric_seguin]

Okay, I'm hoked like a fish. Now all I need is to actually use my motors or boat so I will have to fix them. lol One day.

[@hartshut]

So when I had my small engine shop the phrase was “not economically repairable”.

[@pm270100]

mate i done a///MILL YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING WELL DONE o f them they good thing hi comp loop good pwer 70 to 84 ish when old they pit a rod out the side gear box bang a gear in or and SHIM IT WELL

[@6dogstreed]

That complete fuel pump is 47 dollars just installed one 6 days ago ordered and delivered in 7 days

[@BrandonsGarage]

for an OEM or Sierra?

[@6dogstreed]

Napol performance on Amazon

[@skismosis]

i will stick to working on automobile engines .

[@BryanKephart]

My 40hp doesn’t pump nearly that much water!! I’m jealous

[@leonardhirtle3645]

If your bench is clean and uncluttered all the time, you aren’t doing anything.

[@matteponken1]

I´m pretty shure they didn´t say irreparabel.. more likely that it should cost more than it should be worth to repair.....

[@BrandonsGarage]

Nope, they did. Well, actually they said "unrepairable" but ir sounded better.

[@fanieventer3529]

Sound is far too low ,can't hear a word!

[@michaelg.stranestrane1465]

Can't hear you.

[@gavinhaley4399]

Get some powertools dummy.