AWFUL PACING?? I'm Not So Sure About That! Sword of Convallaria: Burnout, Pacing, and Releases

[@schmiggidy]

This is a very "timely" video, Auronjayy, because it addresses an issue that I think a lot of the playerbase is feeling right now: the sheer amount of TIME this game demands from a typical player. Look, I play 4 gachas games on the regular -- WuWa, Genshin, ASTRA and SoC -- so my time on each game is extremely limited! While I'm mostly loving SoC so far, it's naturally a slower game because of the turn-based chess-like mechanics. So when the devs ask me to play 5 battles in a row to nab 5 measly talent resources, or grind str8t thru 10 weeks of the Spiral (which is like 5-6 hours of gametime IRL for me) BEFORE I am allowed back into the gacha side of the game, it just makes the game feel more like a grindy chore than something fun and exciting. The devs should think long and hard about this issue. I strongly suggest making the runs/battles in future events more bite-sized and faster to plow thru. Otherwise folks WILL burn out on SoC and go find something less demanding of their time.

[@carlosrezende9522]

The most important thing is that they are releasing story chapters quite quickly, good enough events. Only the rewards are a bit steep, but all the content is awesome. Not a bad game. I want another bunch of rewards for Spiral of destines.

[@lmaocetong]

I want these keys to not be timed.

[@Pedro_Gregorio]

@@lmaocetongtaking away the time-expiry would be awesome…

[@SantiHilarion]

I Love SOC.

[@zacharyhacker4221]

My biggest complaint about SOC is the lack of any roadmap or guidance about what's coming. I like to plan out and have an idea of what's down the road, what to expect, etc.

[@mIllly8253]

The road map we get in global is what came in CN/TW. At least for me I get more than enough notice on what's coming and what will be from sources that go over that stuff. We don't need a dedicated global version as nothing has deviated too radically besides the front loaded banners on release and a swap in banners. Even if there was re more swaps, that doesn't change things much, just by a few weeks.

[@zacharyhacker4221]

Where can I see this roadmap from the CN server? Everything I ever seem to find is untranslated and not helpful

[@newtonelite]

Not to plug but hawky usually covers leaks and upcoming events

[@PessimisticSkeptic]

​@@newtoneliteHe's my goto also

[@Kyrephare]

Regarding my issues with events: There is little to no stamina pots. I work intense 12 hour shifts (often dont have a chance to use my phone except during lunch), so I cant spend time on days I have work on clearing content, its stam dumps only. SO even if I want to clear content, I cant because they just dont give any stam pots once youre account post 60. It also makes me feel very rushed to complete events on days I am free (i cant delay doing that content, I have to use every piece of stam efficiently). The lack of Eng VAs: Like this is actually a big deal to me because I play on mobile, but I dont want to glue myself to the phone. I would listen to the WoTV story beats instead of watching them often while cooking or doing something else (part of the reason I dropped off of WoTV too). Again, this is causing me to force be chained down to the phone instead of doing other stuff. Basically this isnt really that much of mobile friendly game for the global release atm compared to many other mobile RPGs.

[@Julian-fs2rh]

I hope you find a game that better fits your schedule

[@VyanTan]

To be fair, most online game especially mobile game are gated by stamina and time. Those extra pots won't really help you. According to your situation, it's better to just play offline game or online game that doesn't require stamina (which mostly have auto farm system in place). Gacha is never friendly for those who work 9 to 5 while still have to do chore.

[@markr1605]

Stamina is ok but the worst you need to repeat all the 5 hard stages again and again, its 2024 they can just copy our previous fight and we can click auto

[@thelegacyofkain2672]

Shit! The mobile FF gives you tons of pots to refill your stamina lol there’s no excuse for SOC to follow suit haha 🤣

[@miguelalfonsosawit220]

There are good stuff. The thing is, some quests do notnhave differentation with the other quests that are too hard. Rewards are also short. Hope they fix it and increase rewards, especially the Luxites

[@Shadow72eapers]

Haha I was the one who made the post about events stacking and feeling a bit burnt out. Really appreciate your perspective man that was fantastic!

[@OldFatTired]

I gotta say I really enjoy this game. I personally like the multiple events, the guild treasure hunt stuff, and the fact that I actually enjoy playing missions

[@apollocrest]

Well said. I rarely play the side story since I am occupied with other things to do. One thing I do wish is if we can skip the animations, have better summoning packs with each banner release if a new character comes out, and more experience dust.

[@patrickyounts297]

The key to having a good relationship with "free" materials in a gacha, particularly pulls, is to remember mindlessly harvesting stuff you may never use is a really fast path to total burnout. I haven't played SoC at all for almost two weeks now. I will likely pick it up again off and on, but if I had been forcing myself to log in to get the daily materials I'd never get to a point of actually missing playing. I'd just harvest materials until I hit a point where even that was too much to bother with. Then I'd never log in again.

[@Fuiyahh]

I think those that complain (including me) about the nonstop events are those that have full time jobs and/or playing at least 2 other gacha games.. sure, we can just choose to play one game.. but should games force you to only have time to play their game? Of course not.. I think there should be lesser events but with more rewards instead rather than more events with lesser rewards..

[@Altaaira]

This is exactly why I took so much issue with Mihoyo and have never played another game of theirs after leaving Genshin. These events aren't just draining, they're meant to eat up your time and force you to commit and spend but is it worth it when we're getting re-used maps and essentially the same thing over and over?

[@andrebraga3839]

Honnestly, my complain is the difficulty of the event, spécialy in regard of the l gain of them even more considering the game still relatively new and the pricing of the shop still and not enought pass or memento things, but overall it's good and maybe not enough epic in the game. A road map even 1 or two mounth of the event would be nice

[@markr1605]

Hard and whats worst is you need to repeat it again and again.

[@Chris-tout-court]

The difficulty is indeed pretty hard at some point but I'd say that the game still manage to give us possibilities, ofc we are having a hard time but for my personal experience doing 1 quest of each event a day and everything is good ( except Agatha, she is my nightmare)

[@Kalatakieta]

It's also not fun to be a whale, but that's also what isn't too bad about the game. Some events are a bit of a grind, I kind of want to just chill and afk play. While other things I think is maybe the movements are a bit slow and unit movement is a little low. Tho this game has great stories and you don't really get fucked by taking some time off.

[@budoyong1]

I love that it has many events, problem is energy/stamina.

[@DeathlessPrince]

From my understanding we have more events than usual because they want to catch us up to 6 months behind CN - and they’re trying to give us the F2P currency equal to that. I’ve not had a stamina issue with events. . . . . because you don’t really have to beat them or empty the shop out. Get the luxite from beating what stages you can, get the pulls / weapons / trinkets from the shop, and you’re safe to move on unless you need to farm a bit more for powder or coins. I’d rather have an overabundance of things to do and get than an underabundance.

[@RusyChicken]

Amazing how many people don't share this common sense mindset. Anyway, glad you're going to keep covering SoC. It's easily the best gacha game on the market right now and I don't see that changing any time soon.

[@carlosrezende9522]

SOC is awesome. Nothing to complain about.

[@bobjones4469]

Depends how big those events are. Other gacha games, namely Mihoyo games and their clones, have 3-5 events fairly regularly, but most of them are short, you can complete them in a couple of hours or less. They're just free premium currency and some are pretty fun.

[@fangikun1791]

I don't mind the pace all too much, what I don't like is the steep difficulty curve and the massive investment required if you want to clear what comes out. Fireside stories require you to level some characters that not everyone necessarily have leveled up, and no matter if you're lv60 with lv60 gear and tarot, some enemies outright destroy you if you don't have the adequate buff or debuffs going on. I know some of those quests are challenging 'optionals' but seeing luxites locked behind them still leaves a bitter taste not being able to clear them 'when' you want to. More often than not I have to bother checking for a guide because i can't figure out what to bring to be most efficient. Current events are clearly 'catch up' material trying to make up to that but it still requires a big time and resources investment.

[@helel89]

@AuronnjJayy Hi! I have a question (since you have both Acambe & Miguel): can you check, if Acambe gets "15% ATK & 30% DEF" bonus from Miguel's "Drifter Leader Aura" (he's definitely should), but more importantly, will his Assassins get this bonus as well?

[@Entrepreneurr]

I love this game, however I do feel that it’s way too much content back to back. As a casual/full time/f2p player, I have a life outside of gaming, so it’s very hard to keep up with everything.

[@grimmace45]

they are handing out xp/dust/otherdust in this event so the only material i'm bottlenecked on is talent mats and thats maybe 1-2 months from being done. Makes buying cornicopia a waste so its $5/mo for the next few until who knows?

[@KarseFarrence]

I'm totally with you man. Yeah, there are a lot of events but some are extremely casual ones while others are more hardcore but that's the good thing a very nice balance. Also like you said any Gacha game will want your money, if you can't or you won't, well then you got to put more effort to get things done but eventually things will get easier as your Talent grid gets completed.

[@Ragors]

There are two sides to current pace. Yes it takes more time to clear. But more events = more rewards, and we need those considering how fast debut banners are rolling in.

[@samuelcaldwell8160]

Im not happy bout it but i do only play this game maybe 1-2 days a week and maybe for like an hour. I do love everything but events(they juat arent fun and way too grindy). Side note, have you checked out unicorn overlord? Id argue its an almost perfect 2.5D rpg

[@kampfer3146]

I wonder if people on reddit realize that the events aren't all mandatory 🤔

[@Black_Sheep_0213]

I felt like the pace was mostly okay until this current batch of events. Been feeling a little more of a crunch than normal, but not unachievable.

[@HaHaJustJoeking]

Each of those events take a day or two to get the most necessary items out of them. Get the necessary items, farm extra things if you -want-. Don't purposefully burn yourself out people.

[@davignunes]

One of the best experiences I've had with gacha games in the past was with Summoners War, because I had no idea what I was doing. This allowed me to play the game for years just for fun. When I moved on to WOTV I wanted to be part of the gang, to be competitive against other players and so I spent more than I should have. I ended up getting frustrated and seeing the game as a responsibility to myself, to the guild, almost as an obligation. This attitude makes the game harmful and dangerous, like an addiction. SOC is an excellent game, if you know how to play for fun without seeing it as an obligation, without having FOMO. The tactical RPG, the animations and, above all, the story. This game is way above average compared to its competitors of the same type. In conclusion, just have fun! Read the story when you have time, play the game when you have an extra break, do the daily tasks that take 10 minutes, don't spend money you don't have. Look for the characters you like and if you lose a T0 according to other people's opinions, don't worry, a stronger one will come along soon. Your account will get stronger as time goes by and without compromise the game will remain fun.

[@Altaaira]

Everything you named here is a reason to go and have fun elsewhere, especially as the next piece of content is even more unfun. It's a documented fact that the game started bleeding a lot of players at this point of time and it's not hard to see why.

[@__Infinity_Hearts__]

Hey bro, I know you love builds and stuff that nature well. Look into bg3 with mods on pc and console the potential for new classes and builds are always coming. Think you good be good and be a very solid point of content. Either way love the content keep pumping

[@weifu6656]

Once we catch up, does event go on a pace like half like this?

[@martinpina1436]

ECHOES OF MANA! I was whaling hardcore up until NNK came out lol

[@martinpina1436]

Sad they got EoS only one year after release

[@imnotgabriel]

i love the events. i always welcome free rewards. But i do think they can make the events a bit weightier or bigger, storywise and mechanics wise. I often just breeze through them in a day.

[@dethreroller]

Now try to breeze voyegers of discovery difficulty 5-5 💀

[@ArthurianFables]

"more is better than less" cannot agree more. the only problem is that the only things that actually matter, we are not getting more of them in this game.

[@newtonelite]

Events do not give enough luxite and fates when a new character drops every two weeks. I would call it fine if banners had a longer stay. Imo

[@whizkid5382]

Even that wouldn't be as bad if they didn't squeeze all the top tier characters together like they did. 20k lux was reasonable in a month but every 2 weeks isn't doable​@newtonelite

[@Lordmkn998]

We'd love soc, but devs leaves us unprepared for these event

[@Neiru24]

i think its not bcuz u can clear the event EZ one with normal run without stressing and u can skip it bcuz it has a 2 weeks window you can always go back if you have time

[@Jeume]

events are good but at level 40 I cant seem to complete most of them and it feels bad missing out on all the rewards. My completely silent guild just kicked me for being a low level I guess (no other discernable reason) And I rolled 3 non rate up URs on Saff's banner so I probably wont be getting her. My morale is low right now

[@nosc_c]

Why did you get kicked out of the content creator project?

[@RusyChicken]

He explained that in a previous video. He violated their new rule.

[@janitor8884]

Content is much better imo when youre actually invested, you know you have to decide to spend or not to spend for something.

[@usadabinpekora5841]

As f2p 5 event is like haven to me, no need to rush and collecting all item just be objective for me i just need lamp and star for gacha 😅

[@joaquimvictorenriquez1083]

I'm just doing daily quests with soc. I play more with the story. Without the story, i wouldn't really have time for it. Elysium isn't that interesting for me

[@imgonnapassoutt]

I feel like they've been releasing so many good characters that i can just barely keep up even with how lucky i have been and now that they're releasing auguste (or whatever his name is) and then homa right after im probably not going to have enough for even homa since i have 5 luxite on my account

[@xMaidinChina]

Skip Auguste imo also a bunch of strong units will be coming early next year.

[@imgonnapassoutt]

@@xMaidinChina i can't even pull if i want to

[@xMaidinChina]

@@imgonnapassoutt 😅 well that works out for you then time to hyper save for these upcoming units

[@imgonnapassoutt]

@@xMaidinChina yeah i think like 2-3 more t0 got added so i gotta save for those

[@1HistoryDragon]

I am the same. I save up and skip some good character to got what I need most. I maybe skip Auguste to focus on Homa. Just give him few pulls to test my luck.

[@donkatsu18]

only 3 pulls per event lmao like whut

[@johnalbertdelosreyes4243]

I guess hope luxites doesn't count as pulls for you guys. I pity the blind ones.

[@daniel336600]

We did need events for something to do because it was just log in sweep and log out, always the same about f2p you’re playing for freeeeee

[@darega7626]

Oho I see, if I'm still playing this game I can just skip the events, just small event anyway not like anniversary event, it's similar with langrisser they will back later on, so if you can't keep up just skip it and do what's fun to you, in my case I'll just play real time arena

[@jaylonsmith7591]

I stopped playing because i wanted content to build up, but im guessing based on this video, it seems like i can return.

[@SwampyHouse]

I grinded super hard for current banner after watching your video she was a must pull for me and couldn’t get her then whaled and still ain’t get her and it kinda turned me off love the game but devs very stingy the currency is over priced and events give great rewards just not enough currency for me my plan is to take a break come back when i have more money to spend 😅

[@Altaaira]

I would advise against doing this, they haven't listened to a single feedback so why bother?

[@ulisesclaros8099]

This game is way too stingy, I did 180 pulls for Safiyyah with only one SSR..,. and received off banner unit. I can see quitting and deleting game was the best decision. I did have fun for a couple of weeks but it was a shore after that. Best of luck to those still playing.

[@paulofilho6304]

Luck me I did not started this game.

[@1HistoryDragon]

Luck me I don't play this game.

[@OrangeTrailBlazer]

I don’t care what the haters say there is no other game like SoC. Square still hasn’t made FF tactics sequel/ remake. WoV was a hell scape grind this game has a simple leveling system and that’s good enough for me.

[@PessimisticSkeptic]

Yep. It's the game for me. I'm loving it.

[@vincentcloud]

I loved this game when first came out was getting a bit burnt out in WOTV. Now exact opposite. WOTV is fun and I dont have 7-8 events going on at once.

[@OrangeTrailBlazer]

@@vincentcloud how you enjoying the PvP is it fun? In WotV?

[@LunarValkyria]

ever consider looking into indie games or outside of FF? There are plenty of tactics games out there.

[@SwampyHouse]

@@LunarValkyrialike what?

[@castordemonyo13]

we need a trinket selector in shop

[@randonm99]

my only problem is how long each stage takes in events. Like, I don't have 3 hours to just sit down and run through these stages which actually require me to play and not just auto...

[@alexw4482]

The game is great, but the pacing feels really rushed right now. It’s been one really grindy event into another, one t0 must have char into another, it’s just too rushed right now. I’ve been grabbing the summons, gems, and gear from events and ignoring all the resources. I hope they slow down the pacing a bit soon.

[@4Len-cm1yk]

Sorry, but the pacing gonna stay the same until 3 - 5 months

[@IzzeTim]

Honestly, been feeling the burnout majorly. I came for the tactics side of things. Games like Final Fantasy Tactics, Fire Emblem, and Tactics ogre and spent 500+ hours a piece and enjoyed every second. This game is also my first Gacha game, so I might be biased, but it all just feels like chores and I'm not really getting much satisfaction playing it like I'd hoped. Wish I could have just spent 60 bucks for a version of the game without all the gacha. Spiral was fun for a bit but got boring quick imo. Maybe it is time for a break.

[@LunarValkyria]

most gacha games aren't this bad now a days. They are trying to rush the game to catch up to CN which means they are layering events on top of each other which causes burnout to anybody with limited time. This is typical for games that decide to rush it. They rush things community complain about lack of resources and burnout nothing changes because white knights and CCs defend it large portion of people leave game community shrinks/dies then the CCs leave. I've seen this happen with a lot of gachas. One example being Tower of Fantasy. Fortunately for them though they got a second wind so they have found a strong cult following barely keeping them alive.

[@Ckggg]

This game is suck bro

[@1HistoryDragon]

Same as you I prefer off-line game. Most of Gacha make you play Chore everyday especially f2p. I play this game because I love strategy game and as artist I love its art. That's all. Hope you have good times.

[@1HistoryDragon]

@@LunarValkyria You rant to much. Most of Gacha game is the same. Just mention to me which gacha game that you don't have to do Chore or grind? I am not protect anything because I prefer offline games which are complete games. Gacha games always have haters so if you reach to limit tolerance just quit it. I am still play this game until I feel bored. Core gameplay is good, art is good, story is acceptable, pvp (Here smash) is fun. That's what I need with this games. I don't have higher hope for it.

[@4Len-cm1yk]

​@@1HistoryDragonYeah sure. Coming from someone who like pvp on a gacha game. Clearly you're not knowledgeable about it. Please. Dont be like that. They clearly did worst in this fireside chat event. They removed the castália from exchange and thats just one sign of them being not listening to the community. We want hard content, but not where the rewards are locked behind hard content. We just want to do it for fun when we can, if we can't then we won't feel left out.

[@D_Sable]

I prefer had alot of event and reward rather than have nothing todo other than daily farm

[@daydreaminsanity]

Those who complain about SoC being stingy just want to just GACHA GACHA GACHA GACHA, brother saving is a thing, and there is no limited banner at all. This isn't Pokemon where you gotta catch em all. Every debut unit eventually goes to the standard pool.

[@ryancapz1024]

Too many events..too less endurance potion and luxites..😅

[@ASalad]

My complaints. 1. Tedious progression. You need so much of so many different kinds of materials, especially at high levels. I am used to grinding out progression in Hoyo games, even Arknights which is perhaps most similar to SoC, and for some reason SoC just feels more tedious. 2. Limited sweeps. Energy is already a limiting factor. The way they include a currency for instant sweeping or having to lock up characters for several hours is ridiculous, unnecessary BS that makes me less inclined to want to even bother. It also adds to the tedium listed above. 3. Farmable stages that aren't sweepable. For instance the memory crystal one. It's annoying that it has to be done manually. 4. Inconsistent difficulty. I really struggle to gauge why some maps are as hard as they are. I go into one that's recommended around my level and breeze through everything. Another map that's the same level, no difference in type advantages, and suddenly everything is one-shotting me. 5. Annoying balance of complexity and simplicity. Having characters that have 6-ish abilities, and potentially multiple passives and basic attacks, but only getting to bring 1 basic, 1 reaction, 3 skills but then finding so many maps strongly punish/reward certain loadouts is actually really annoying. I have had plenty of retries where I've had to swap things out and did much better the second try, but it just adds to the sense of the game being tedious. I think character utilization would be much better if the game was just balanced around fewer skills that are more broadly applicable, or let the characters have their kit available. Maybe only limit this in PvP if that's needed. 6. PvP is the least enjoyable yet one of the most time consuming daily tasks of all. 7. Campaign mode has lots of cool progression systems, but being so limited in which characters you bring for progression and then not having access to their normal kits feels really frustrating. "Oh it'd be cool to have this character, but wait they don't end up doing the things that make them such a fun character." I know you can bring your regular roster, but then you're so overpowered that it defeats the whole point. 8. Event grinding. I don't really mind the event structure, but the grind is annoying to the umpteenth degree. The limited daily bonus followed by painfully slow accumulation after that, mixed with limited sweeping, mixed with limited energy. It feels like they are trying to make the event grinds as long and spread out as possible. This gets worse when there are 2+ events running simultaneously. 9. Gacha feels bad. 2% drop rates are nice, but everything else around it, especially given that its a new banner every week, feels horrible. I actually have a decent number of the characters I want, I've been overall pretty lucky. Even so the system still feels pretty crappy. Maybe because it's so unpredictable. Even if something like the Hoyo system of gacha is arguably less generous, it's very predictable and there's a sense of always progressing towards a new character with every pull, even if it doesn't end up being on the banner you're on. I still like the overall design outside of these complaints for the most part. There's a great game here. But I feel like the amount of *unnecessary* crap I have to deal with just to keep up or get to the parts I enjoy is ridiculous. I'm not logging in as much. I want to like this game, I want to love this game, there's a lot here to love, but I'm not sure if it's worth it. And it's more frustrating because I don't think anything would be lost addressing most of these complaints.

[@1HistoryDragon]

From what I read I surprise you can tolerant Mihoyo's game. The Grinding in Mihoyo is really terrible with me. I agree the pace of each banner is quite quick. I also just got barely what my team need. But it isn't too much problem with me. Other your points I can tolerant them because right now I still playing Arknight. Lol. Grinding in SoC is better than Mihoyo in my opinions.

[@ASalad]

@@1HistoryDragon I am not making a case that it’s great in Hoyo games. I actually think those grinds can be very repetitive. I only brought it up to say that I am quite used to at-times tedious grinding on games like those and continue to play them years after launch, but for some reason the SoC ones have me feeling worn out only a few months into the game. Not saying one is good while the other is bad. Just that something about SoC’s feels less tolerable. Maybe it’s due to some of the other complaints I have. I have been playing Arknights for years and that one doesn’t bother me much at all really. I’d say it bothers me less than Hoyo and SoC both. That said I also don’t do much at all with some of the game modes like SSS.

[@finn4372]

Totally agree, too many event and yet lack of stamina.

[@jellomeister]

We need free NRG pots!

[@Pedro_Gregorio]

The game demands a lot of time… too many events, its getting a bit overwhelming for me.

[@louemrick1609]

SOC is running the SAME event with two different skins...its horrible.

[@abc440070]

My complaints: Too much events Assist modes - it's a me problem on this Lack of clear guides in-game when you come back after a break Those "tutorials" don't even offer a visual representation for certain game mechanics -- just a pic of Saffiyah So yeah, Imma take a break on this, or maybe a bye. Imma finish FFXIV for now.

[@Ckggg]

Too many event but only 2/3 secret fate on the shop 😂

[@checkmate7345]

That post you showed on reddit just displays consumers are inherently disloyal, and they'll use any little excuse to dump a game, imagine ditching a game because you have too much to do. Which is worse, having more or less to do? Most of us would rather have more than less for sure. I literally stopped playing another gacha because the devs were lazy and didn't provide enough new things to do. So far, this game has been incredible for replay value and monetisation value.

[@1HistoryDragon]

Yes, recently I saw the post they rant on about don't have enough Luxite and secret wish for gacha make them want to quit. Now when events come out to give them what they want then they blame too much events. If I am dev game I would give them slippers...

[@LunarValkyria]

disloyal? we are talking about a company here. Their primary goal is to make money not be your friend. I would rather have less to do and have that less be more meaningful/impactful. If I have too much to do, I'm constantly stressed with finishing content before it goes away due to shitty fomo and wasting time grinding when I could be say playing a new JRPG that just came out. This results in burnout. If I don't have enough to do it gives me time to try out other games and come back to SoC when there is more later. This results in me being happy when there is more content instead of frustrated.

[@rubyraptor]

The disloyalty (ie getting burned out by too many events) can be overcome by doing exactly what the video said: realizing that you don’t have to do everything. So I think it’s great that he mentioned that, the more people who realize it the more they’ll enjoy the game

[@LunarValkyria]

@@rubyraptor right, just ignore all the fomo. good luck getting the characters you like with no currency. such a shit take. "just ignore the content you will likely never get to see again" If people have to ignore parts of the game just to not experience burnout you have failed as a game designer. This shit will kill the game if it keeps going this route. f2p will burnout and quit, no new blood when they realize they are far behind and half the story isn't even accessible, then the whales will leave as well as the community shrinks and fades away into an EoS like many gacha games in the past that rush their content do. It is always the CCs and defenders that cheer this stuff on and act clueless as to why the games fail.

[@wi8231]

​@@rubyraptor "feeling burnout" = "disloyal"? Loyalty must be earned. The complain from the reddit post was the effort/rewarding ratio (the fun factor). More work, less fun. We all know how this will end.

[@19Andre87]

Soc is a great game but too much things to do for me I had to quit it

[@1HistoryDragon]

I though we have some guys with double standard here. Many guys say they quit because they don't have luxite to gacha. Now when events give them Luxite or Secret Fate then they blame events are too much. Just let them find other games to play we don't need them.

[@LêĐoànBáLong]

The reward for the event is a joke. The event difficulty is a joke. The stamina in order to play the event is a joke. 2/3 event are meant for end game player. And even endgame player need invest time to finish those events. Normal grow up people with jobs and family aint' have time to clear all these! The complaint is legitimate! If they don't change, it means the game narrows its target consumer! Most whales are whaling because they don't have time to grind so you design something and make them incredibly grindy to force f2p to grind the game and whales pay more since they can't grind!

[@1HistoryDragon]

@@LêĐoànBáLong Choose easier lv to finish it if you are not reach end game level. Only few rewards we really need are Secret Fate, legendary gears etc... That's f2p can easy get after few play through. From beginning this game is tactic game so you still hope you take you less time compare other game? We all have jobs and families to take care if they don't have time there still other games for them. Make sure they avoid tactic or strategy games because it will consume more time than other types of game. You must forgot what make this game good because it's tactic elements which mean you can approach target with many different ways. (kzbin.info/www/bejne/moaTn5mqbqasr7c). This example cheap units can beat the hardest challengers. To be honest you wish for free good game with friendly gacha then how the dev have enough fund to make a good game? They will add more sexy contend like snow break to earn more money.

[@1HistoryDragon]

@@LêĐoànBáLong Choose easier lv to finish it if you are not reach end game level. Only few rewards we really need are Secret Fate, legendary gears etc... That's f2p can easily get after few play through. From beginning this game is tactic game so you still hope you take you less time compare other game? We all have jobs and families to take care if they don't have time there still other games for them. Make sure they avoid tactic or strategy games because it will consume more time than other types of game. You must forgot what make this game good because it's tactic elements which mean you can approach target with many different ways. (kzbin.info/www/bejne/moaTn5mqbqasr7c). This example cheap units can beat the hardest challengers. To be honest you wish for free good game with friendly gacha then how the dev have enough fund to make a good game? They will add more sexy contend like snow break to earn more money. It feel like beggar request for luxury restaurant meals. So I think we should balance and have plan correctly to summon if you are f2p. You can't have all what you want.

[@ryancapz1024]

Woot? Events give luxite and secret fate? But how much or how many? 2 or 3 pcs only? Is that enough?

[@thetimeisnow2827]

​@@ryancapz1024 they like to gaslight people 😂

[@Nanozander]

#RoadToWorldwide #RoadToTW

[@rafresendenrafresenden.1644]

I'm fine with the pacing maybe some new players have problems?

[@vertex6586]

They should at least give more rewards when you're in the end game because 100 summons to guarantee a legendary character is too much. I've played arknights and you're about to get like 20 pulls per month if you do dailies and annihilation stages and possibly to get 10 more pulls if there are events and the pity in Arknights is around 56 for a guaranteed 6 star character. This is my only complaint about the game because 100 pulls is too much to get a legendary character considering the rewards they give for the players who don't spend.

[@manyblock4192]

To solve hard content for new player is add Support character/borrow character from friends It benefits alot for CC too on making some hard stage clear with specific Unit But idk if Dev is actually hearing their player like Kuro

[@rafresendenrafresenden.1644]

@@manyblock4192 "borrow character from friends" is a great idea

[@biyanbayu3361]

All these attention seeker😂 if you quit just uninstall and say nothing more, why you need attention for quitting like toddler sulking bcause they dont get what they want.

[@vincentcloud]

I feel a bit burnt. I have fools journey to play. I despise Sprialing Destinies. Maybe i should cut my loses at this point.

[@thetimeisnow2827]

Spiral does suck a bit, and feels like a chore.

[@JohnSmith-fx2mz]

I actually like spirals but .. The runs are just too looong. If they were cut up into 1hr maybe 2hr chapters it would be better.

[@purplatypus7405]

Metaphor is GOTY

[@cretino7058]

No way 😂😂😂

[@1HistoryDragon]

Just best JRPG in 2024. This year have few other good games to be considered.

[@DasShekati]

I don't understand why people quit over things costing stamina. Doing the voyage quests gives plenty of potions and I'm usually ending my day having some stamina left. Quitting over no rolls is...weird too since every gacha has frequent banners. I just plan my pulls for months in advance, skip most banners and save up for characters I really like.

[@1HistoryDragon]

They just want get all characters. Other want to have more luxite or free pulls without grinding. Other complain about the hard of this game even though they can choose easier level. You have the same opinion with me. We just chill and play it, save up for pulls.

[@Altaaira]

Characters never return on a debut after you miss them (Safiyyah did but that's because she shares a skill with her Alter), dual banners often feature them with a more inferior character and it effectively takes 360 pulls to secure them. You don't nearly have enough pulls for the two debuts per month let alone having anything for dual banners, and this creates a vicious cycle where new players who have missed core characters would have to risk a dual banner or pray for a spook, neither of which are remotely feasible.

[@1HistoryDragon]

@@Altaaira I used to use 280 pulls to get Innana so I know how hurt it is. If it is not Innana I can get Acambe. That's why I have to target which characters most wanted. It's gacha. you choose playing gacha game you have to suffer it (I always though so). That's why I prefer play completed game and avoid gacha as much as possible.

[@vincentbelen9512]

I am started to get lost of interest to the game

[@blkwng]

My take is that this complaints come from the people that take pride in being f2p and then they want to be able to play thrpugh everything, grind all, and still be almost close to whales. Being a f2p gamer has always been foolish. Youre exchanging money for a far rarer and better commodity: time. And this is the reason why, no matter how "generous" the f2p game is, gachas will always be predatory. Auron's advice is spot on. I only logged for my quick daily log ins since refantazio came out. Missed a couple of events, and so what? I have enough currency for Auguste and if not ill pay my way to it. If you dont like this, dont play gachas. That alone will send a message to developers. Just enjoy a game as a game and not a freaking 2nd job.

[@Altaaira]

See, that's where you're wrong. CN was livid when they reached this point in the game and their whales were incensed over Alexei's undying trait being nerfed, and there was a lot of worry and furious debate about whether the game would live when it chased so many people away that the game's revenue went down by 40%. Tower of Adversity made people even more tired and whales weren't spared from it.

[@blkwng]

@@Altaaira I can't speak for cn. Its a disingenuous argument when you take under consideration the game has been alive for over a year at the cn side. According to your logic, we shouldn't be getting complaints until further down the line till we reach tower of adversity, and the nerf on alexei has also nothing to do with it, since anyone would get mad at a character being pulled and them getting nerf. The complaints on global have been that they're stingy on all resources and that there's not enough to do, yet people now also complain there's too many events. Just face it, f2p just thought they could always catch up using time and now they're feeling the burn out. Who wouldn't?! What kind of fool would spend hours upon hours on a single game repeating exactly the same just with the intention to keep up? You'll get bored eventually. People need to learn to use their time effectively, and they also need to understand that gachas are just predatory. It is what it is.

[@Altaaira]

@@blkwng CN is celebrating its first anniversary next month but it's pretty much dead relative to its >20M USD start and the complaints began en masse exactly at this point of time; Tower of Adversity only served to drive that in harder because their whales did not like it either and signature weapons was the final straw. These events barely give any pulls relative to the amount of time you use and headaches you get from doing it and TOA of course is another beast onto itself with its sheer tedium, and there's only so many times you and everyone else can tell others to suck it up before they do that and you pull a Surprised Pikachu face over why the game is dead. As it stands you're arguing that finding a more time-friendly game is better than this, no?

[@blkwng]

@@Altaaira cn released on August, and I remember them already celebrating their 1 year anniversary. So if youre starting with lies, not sure how much I can trust your other cn allegations. And my point isn't to get into a more "time friendly" game. This implies I'd be foolish enough to think there are any. And there are ZERO time friendly games. There are just games you enjoy. The complaints for SOC in global are made in regards to lack of currency, lack of events, and tedious. The last two are obviously conflicting so this shows people are whining for the sake of it. You shouldn't be so incredibly strapped for currency yet. There have only been 3 must have banners, gloria, saffiyah and coco. All other banners were unnecessary and duals a f2p shouldn't even be looking at them. Now I agree there is a shortage of currency, but the fact people are complaining now before later means they've been wasting their currency to try to be in pace with paying players. The game ain't perfect. Like I said, I only do dailies in 10 mins and then go to play a fun game. So it defintively needs more content. But the complaints aren't centered around that. So again, I think its just f2p players wanting things handed down. For my part, I think its good people are getting screwed. For too long the gacha community has tried to sell the point that this games are investments or "time friendly" and we should be seeing them as what they are, just a f2p side game to pick up and put down just as quickly. When looked at that with that context, the game is still fun to play. And before you bring comparisons, I'm straight up gonna tell you people who play others gachas are just as foolish and just as bored as the next guy. Take the two most lucrative gachas atm such as fgo and genshin. Both get millions from their players, but the playtime cadence is a repeat of the same events and same gameplay. They just have a more fanatical fanbase willing to turn a blind eye to how boring their game is. Thats why so many gacha content creators celebrate as if a veil had been pulled from their eyes the moment they quit that main game they had been doing.

[@chancefuller5971]

God I’ve regretfully have spent so much money on FFBE,FFWOTV, and Honkai Star Rail. SOC has only cost me $100/month considering I have easily spent 15K+ in 2/3 years of playing the other games. I have enjoyed playing SOC with no pressure to spend for PVP meta pressure like in WOTV. I think the most enjoyable thing has been not requiring to pull dups for characters and the low tier character are more the capable of carrying you through the content.

[@chancefuller5971]

That being said SOC has been the least grinding Gatcha I’ve played.

[@cepugaming2534]

Hi auron wotv make come back fft and they good again

[@alienz9838]

Just quit the game, yes soc is so soo stingy gacha game i ever play, not friendly for f2p

[@kenaaaron7122]

I'm over the game tbh.