B-17 Startup Sequence and Flight From Inside

[@Zerbey]

Wonderful video, but I had to stop and think how utterly terrifying this must have been to fly in combat. Much respect to those who did.

[@souocara38able]

This was the nine-0-nine :-( I'm glad you have this great video of it

[@Ichiban7]

Thanks. Glad to have a more detailed video of the startup and Mac the pilot who perished in the accident.

[@rogerdailey9357]

Beautiful these warbirds are still flying. You are preserving history. The men that flew these plane are equally as great as the plane itself.

[@WSUIN02]

A buddy of mine, Loyd Adamson, flew B-17s out of Ridgewell from 1943-45 with the 381st BG and was the regular pilot of one of the most photographed birds to come out of WWII (and no, it wasn't Memphis Belle). He is in the formation that LIFE shot in color and stills of which can still be found in books on the Mighty Eighth. His bird was the one in center rear of the port side group shots and also the one on the recent postage stamp. He flew others on occasion and told me that the famous MIZPAH was the worst airplane he ever had the misfortune to fly-it had been damaged and repaired so many times that it wouldn't trim out no matter what you did. Anyway, he told me that the best way to get a smooth ride was to send the flight engineer to the RO compartment and have him watch the props as he applied and/or subtracted power to get all four blurring in the same position. I asked him if that was in the book and he grinned and said "There was a book?" Great guy, great friend, gone west like too many of the others...

[@raymondsmithson8873]

WSUIN02 oops

[@jdunmyer89rx7]

Am saving pennys and dimes to go for a ride in a 17 , cant wait !

[@WauliPaulnuts]

This B-17 (909) is a really well maintaned ship (Collings Foundation). I flew in this in 2008. At the time it was $400 for a GREAT 1/2 hr flight at about 1700' AGL. I think it's now $450. Once airborn and the crew chief gives ya the thumbs-up, you have free-run of the aircraft (except the cockpit-which you can observe,though) Definitely worth saving your pennies for this kind of 'mission' experience. Good Luck.

[@19XWyomingGrizFan]

Paul Well worth it.

[@R281]

Wow, that's not a bad price. It cost me a little more for a flight in a p-51.

[@windowlicker6996]

3500$ for a one hour flight in a Lancaster bomber from Hamilton Ontario...

[@fortunatebum]

I was 12 when I rode that beast back in 2014, my dad got to ride for free since they had a few seats open and you have to be 14 to ride alone. I remember putting my hand on the tail wheel assembly and the gear went down and I fell on my butt scared I broke something.

[@Ichiban7]

Awesome story. Loved it truly.

[@BRGT350]

outstanding video capturing the start up of Nine-O-Nine! Also great seeing the Mustang fly along side. I went up in Yankee Lady this summer for my first B-17 ride and loved it! Hoping to get up in Nine-O-Nine as it was my favorite B-17 as a kid.

[@Ichiban7]

Thanks. 2017 may be the last year for the Nine-O-Nine to be flying as the Collings Foundation will possibly be flying a new B-17 "Outhouse Mouse" which was the sister ship to the Nine-O-Nine. So . . . take advantage of next year if you wish to fly on it. ~_^

[@elchulo4238]

Is so nice to hear the sound of does engines in the air..god blees america and the guys who drove does planes in the war..bring a lot a memories...

[@jlmicki4246]

I love the Collings Foundation, I took a flight with her (The B-17) out of Westminster, MD. I am a proud sponsor, would definitely say it is worth it. I've also got a video on my channel of the flight. Nice video, props!!

[@charleswheatley3897]

Damn right Justin! been a sponsor 25 years, best money I ever spent. Thank You, Collingsfoundation.

[@larrymead4301]

I flew in the B-17 Texas Raiders...cold start sequence..it was a glorious flight from Olathe, ks.

[@dolphinsc1]

Amazing, thanks for the ride. That's guy's we never forget.

[@stulynn2005]

I took almost the exact same video three weeks ago. Different 17 but same feelings when you. love a plane

[@richard5030]

A treat for us to watch now but a nightmare for those who had to fly them in combat , RIP all those who didn't make it back to base .......

[@larrybrown638]

Oh my goodness, A P-51. Beautiful!

[@Ichiban7]

The P-51 that flew past in this video is 'Betty Jane'. In my channel, somewhere, is a video with me inside Betty Jane flying along side the B-24 and later, B-17. It's a little long for a video but I think you'll like it. Gives you a good idea of what it's like inside the P-51. The sound inside a P-51 is nothing like the sound outside the plane.

[@Ichiban7]

This video kzbin.info/www/bejne/rX6beaRqaLebaa8

[@71_sears97]

I just saw the Aluminum Overcast b-17 Bomber plane today and fell in love with it.

[@edwardstephens247]

Outstanding video and airplane!

[@Ichiban7]

Thank you!

[@VonAlb]

Thank you guys for posting a start up in the flight deck... There are only a dozen airframes left flying.. Please slow down on your pre-start check list... you guys sound so complacent.... which is what causes most aviation mishaps... we can not have another loss of a B-17 specifically due to complacency or pilot error. We all love the B-17 so SLOW DOWN... do the check list by the numbers and keep her flying!!!!!

[@captainbipto8196]

Von Alb Not having flown one, but whose best friend was air crew on Sentimental Journey, the B-17 operated by the Arizona Wing of the CAF, and then flight crew on the China Doll, So Cal Wing's C-46 Curtiss Commando, this start up procedure sounds typical of re-starting the engines. Not initially starting after sitting idle for days.Or I could be mistaken and the Collings Foundation has located a stash of old, New-In-Box Wright Cyclone R1830s and they just don't give a...

[@captainbipto8196]

Captain Bipto Crap. I meant 1820s. I tend to confuse these engines with the Pratt & Whitney 1830s.. Both were used on the Grumman F4F Wildcat and had nearly the same external dimensions.

[@sbchelldiver]

To think those men back then would have to stand that noise for eight hours or more on a bombing mission-and the noise was the least of the problems...

[@dazknight9326]

For the throttle control issue you speak of, it could be throttle friction locks are worn out, and holding throttles is required.

[@generfeld]

fantastic video, thanks so much

[@steinwaygrande3971]

Certainly brings back memories - THAT it does

[@rugerdog77able]

P-51 flying escort love it!

[@Gabethenwr77]

They must’ve felt pretty bad ass flying those things

[@cofrbooboo]

I envy you guys. I'd give anything to be able to pilot a beautiful warbird like that.

[@tomcooper6108]

In '43 you would be doing it.

[@xaverhuber2418]

Un-fu...g-believable from the POV 2022... what these guy are cabable...

[@charlesreed3672]

Kind of missed a few steps but you B17 must have been updated. Never heard a word about the battery or inverter sequence.

[@willthacker5182]

B-17 flying fortress. Best looking prop pwr'd bomber of all time. Not to mention, the men of the 8th who flew her. Some of toughest airmen ever to fly in war. They don't call them the "Greatest Generation" for nothing!

[@dazknight9326]

Very good video. I have the a2a simulations B17 on my flight sim x. I fly the Yankee lady, the set of 4 B 17 variants, have the maintenance hanger and hours log, parts wear out like real planes. I love the way the B17 flies, I flew it again today in the pattern, flew well. I have three hours smoh at this time. I always purchase a2a simulator aircraft.

[@scottavery9108]

Greatest sound in the world

[@larrybrown638]

I love the B-17 and the. Startup. To me this. Is real flying., by the seat of your pants. How beautiful.

[@Ichiban7]

Imagine driving in a pickup truck down a rough dirt road. Now I'm imagine having no shock absorbers, or springs on that truck. That's what it's like to fly in a B-17. Unlike modern commercial aircraft, these Wings do not Flex so ... you really feel it! Thanks for you comments.

[@dazknight9326]

A guy on here said there are only a dozen B17 airframes left flying? Very sad, I hope someone can undergo restoring more of them, a piece of history that should always be flying! A wonderful airplane for sure.

[@servantprince]

History is history

[@corvette724]

Rare Footage. May you Recognize my Video from the Startup of the Super Constellation, sight from the Flight Engineers Panel

[@Vfh........y]

what a beautiful noise

[@scooter2kool173]

RIP 909. End of service

[@71superbee3]

I believe that was a P-51C at 5:30 Nice !

[@joemajcher2229]

That was the ''Betty Jane'' P-51C Mustang. It flies with the B-17 Nine O Nine and the B-24 Witchcraft all over the United States

[@planesairbornebymalikclark2806]

@@joemajcher2229 Now, "Toulouse Nuts" does these missions! ;)

[@triplanelover]

I disagree...this crew seemed well coordinated and totally in control. I liked the fact that both AC and copilot seemed comfortable and knowledgeable...I should know, I spent a career in the cockpit of an airliner. Great post, I still don't quite get the throttle routine but this made it alittle more understandable

[@Ichiban7]

triplanelover They both work the throttles to make certain all 4 engines stay synchronized, or else the plane will depart the runway and go somewhere it shouldn't. Its just a safety. ^_^

[@bigman55434]

+Ichiban7 I think it's actually to make sure that the pilot in command doesn't accidentally pull back the throttles during takeoff, which would be catastrophic.

[@Ichiban7]

+bigman55434 well it would be of the same effect. Torque and thrust. For fact the engines must be even when they take off. As you say, if something happened where an engine cut out, they would have their hands full in a hurry. In the video below, this A-26, lost an engine and the thrust on one side took over. Since it was uneven, the plane to drifted and turned. Take off power generates a tremendous amount of torque and thrust. Imagine what 4 engines can do: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6fTnYiVat6moM0

[@charleswheatley3897]

The gentleman that flies 909 has more flying time than any one in history...the comment to slow down was the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

[@MrBlk999]

Exhilarating to watch from start up to flight mode!

[@steveaytch7738]

RIP 909

[@allenhuddleston4616]

Nice footage Ichiban7-san . Thanks for posting . The B-17 named 9-0-9 , a B-24 named Witchcraft a B-25 named Tondelayo and a TP-51D will be coming to Westminster Maryland on Oct. 7th and staying until Oct. 9th . This will be at Carroll County Regional airport. See - www.CollingsFoundation.org for the schedule of other stops that may be in your area or near that of your viewers . Regards from Maryland

[@richr909]

Definitely a lot more to it than starting my pickup truck lol

[@thesoundoffreedomchannel3088]

Is that the Nine-o-Nine

[@stewpadasso297]

Yes it was. I went through this plane when I was a kid. I'm almost 40 now. Shes gone.

[@RT060789]

I have been in this plane a couple of times when it came to Quonset RI. I have loved the B-17 including the more pretty D models since childhood. I wish I spent the $400 at the time to go up.It is a shame we made 12,700 of them and there are a only handful that still fly.The post war scrapping fest makes me feel ill.

[@DakarRaider]

This is 909. I flew on her once. Simply amazing. :'( Clear Skies, 909

[@johnnyveganite9141]

7:00 Could waist gunners accidentally shoot the wing if not careful?

[@Ichiban7]

I'm sure that was always a possibility. I never saw anything that could prevent it from happening. I'm pretty sure if you could think of it, it probably happened.

[@byronowens2805]

Each gunner had a very distinct cone of fire he had to stay within, else you'd have a shootout amongst the bombers on every mission. :-)

[@Mr.XJ.96]

+Byron Owens...maybe in the heat of battle it happened. I'm sure they shot other aircraft in the formation as well. Friendly fire happens on the ground as well as in the air. Remember The Movie Memphis Belle? when the co pilot went back to the tail gunner for a chance to shoot down a 109? then he shot their rookie wingman? I know that was just a movie,however it did happen.

[@byronowens2805]

The co-pilot shot down an ME-109 that in turn crashed into the rookie crews bomber. But your point is taken. Friendly fire happened at two feet as well as 20K feet. The combat box formation was designed to uncover every gun on a '17 while giving maximum protection if flown correctly, i.e. in a tight formation.

[@Mr.XJ.96]

Oh yeah...Duh sorry Bud. The Collins Foundation is coming to my home town tomorrow. The 24, 17 ,25 and p-51 are gonna be here. Can't wait to see the Warbirds. Wish I had the money for a ride. The friendly fire question will be a good one to ask.

[@davidblack7184]

My great uncle told me that it was commonplace to memorize the control of the craft in case you were blinded by enemy fire .

[@hammalammadingdong6244]

You lucky dog!!

[@billbright1755]

No bogies skipper, just one little friend, milk run .

[@tomaszmagierowski2166]

Fascinating!!

[@Ichiban7]

Thanks!

[@stevenvicino8687]

What's with the co-pilot assisting with throttle control @ 3:30? Did the engines buck?

[@Ichiban7]

Absolutely no clue . . . If I asked, I would bet they would only guess what was happening at that moment. So much is done, I guess . . . ah . . . on autopilot (pardon the pun) ;)

[@wiltonbonfimpereirareis2877]

Incrível o melhor bombardeiro já fabricado.Goiânia

[@TheRaptorOfGaming]

Jesus it would take some guts to go up in one of these things over Germany in WWII.

[@billfarnham1592]

What makes it take 4 hands to hold the throttles forward? Are they given to unexpectedly vibrating themselves shut?

[@bigman55434]

+Bill Farnham It's just to make sure the pilot in command doesn't accidentally pull back the throttles during takeoff.

[@billfarnham1592]

Were pilots really that apt to pull back instead of push forward? I don't know - never flew a B17. But when I was flying (nothing more than 2 engines), I never confused pushing a throttle to the firewall with pulling it back. Was the vibration so bad the throttles just worked their way backward?

[@Ichiban7]

+Bill Farnham Honestly I don't see it happening either. If they did that, then maybe they need a new career.

[@TacticalOni]

Late reply but also could be part of the typical muscle response to mirror what your other arm is doing, so pulling back on the yoke would cause your other hand to pull the throttles back

[@Duckyistrippin]

Most awesome toy ever!

[@northeastpilot7669]

So sorry to see this aircraft crash and the loss of life this week at Bradley in CT.

[@Ichiban7]

Yup. The pilot in this video is the pilot who perished in the crash. He had the most flight time in a B-17, more than any person alive or dead. He was highly skilled and was meticulous about the upkeep of his baby, Nine O Nine. You could never imagine how many people he knew and mentored. He will be sorely missed.

[@zoltanmagyar1273]

I realized it too when I saw the registration number on the control panel....

[@Retfie719]

@@Ichiban7 well, turns out, he wasn’t so meticulous about the upkeep of the 9-0-9. A tragic loss nevertheless RIP

[@billfarnham1592]

Did pilots have a habit of pulling the throttles back?

[@Ichiban7]

synchronization of the engines is most important when its on the ground. if the engines aren't synchronized then the plane will try to move off the runway as it tries to depart the airfield. I don't believe throttling back for a landing is as critical as it is taking off, although I am pretty sure someone is looking after the throttles after they have made the landing and are still rolling.

[@bear4547]

great did...love this plane.

[@Duckyistrippin]

I thought he meant that was the planes "name". I never really knew they had both an alpha numeric designator and a model name or what not. i just figured b-17's were b-17's and b-24's were b-24's.

[@johnwalsh7256]

Remember the Nine O Nine!

[@barbaramazer2093]

There's nothing like that sound, beginning about 3:40...

[@wilfredsaulnier659]

would love to be able to have a virtual cockpit and learn how to take off fly bank dive and bomb ect.......Wilf

[@derekwall200]

ill bet flying in a WW2 bomber like the B17 must've felt like taking a trip back to WW2 Germany

[@andrewhapp8776]

If you've never been inside one of these planes in flight you have no idea what a hostile environment it is. Cramped, full of sharp edges. Noise, vibration. Now imagine trying to do this as a 20 year old kid, thousands of miles from home, -20 degrees in the cockpit, people are trying to kill you, and you do it for 8 hours. Then get up tomorrow and do it again...

[@Ichiban7]

Absolutely True! Another things is its a rough ride. The wings don't flex like modern aircraft. With all the mentioned sharp edges inside the plane, it is wise to wear a ball cap, or you may get a new hair color by the end of the trip. (Red) It is incredible what people endured back in Wartime. But bare in mind, prior to WWII, people were still suffering from the effects of the Great Depression. So some suffering was accepted and military ranks were full, prior to the war. It was because it was a guaranteed job that fed you. Still, almost 30% trying to get into the Military, prior to WWII, were rejected due to malnutrition. SO in a roundabout way the Depression prepared our military to fight a Two Front War. So was it a tragedy that we had the depression or divine intervention that later saved the world? BTW, the depression was a global event. Not just US.

[@andrewhapp8776]

@@Ichiban7 The Great Depression did indeed have a a huge impact on The War. In part because it led the Axis to power by offering prosperity to its citizens who were suffering through the Depression. Mostly through military spending and territory expansion.

[@catey62]

@@Ichiban7 Thank you for that comment where you said it was a global thing ( the depression) my dad grew up on a farm/ market garden/orchard here in Australia during that time and though they were self sufficient and were well off compared to a lot of people in their district he sometimes shared stories of the swagmen ( our version of your hobo's) that would come in looking for work and a feed..and how my Grandmother would give them a decent meal and my my grandfather would set them to work on the property, picking fruit or vegetables..helping to pack them and doing other jobs as needed to give them some money to help them on their way while employing seasonal workers as well. it was a very tough time for everyone world wide.

[@Ichiban7]

@@catey62 I do believe that when you rise up in times of need to help others, you really do as much for yourself as you do for others. I enjoyed reading your grandparents story and was struck by their kindness and the way you told it.

[@WauliPaulnuts]

9-0-9..!

[@stewpadasso297]

Shes gone now

[@jmw9904]

Unpressurized, flying 5 miles up in -50 to -60 temperatures, German flak exploding at altitude, German fighters, only flying about 200 because on top of weighing already 15 tons, now you have 15 more added to it.

[@OMBIC]

you missed one -.- :)

[@marcrabbit1853]

horizon artificiel electronique. écran GPS, extrados complétement modifiés. Ce n'est plus un B17.

[@ozzy1351]

That's a P-51

[@av8tore71]

Nine O Nine? If it is she crashed not too long ago.

[@Ichiban7]

Yes, sadly Nine-O-Nine crashed a few years ago. Very sad thing in so many ways.

[@LuisSantos-hs8ur]

I could barely see..

[@confederatemarijuana4974]

Lucky bastards

[@YlmazDALKIRANscallion]

00:00 This is a *B-17G* with Man O War II camouflage. 02:11 *B-24J* Witchcraft 05:29 *P-51C* Mustang moaablogs dot org/message/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/witchcraft.jpg Your Welcome

[@Ichiban7]

+Yılmaz DALKIRAN Close on the B-17. Its Nine-O-Nine.

[@YlmazDALKIRANscallion]

+Ichiban7 Dude, I only play *War Thunder*. My knowledge is that much. lel

[@Ichiban7]

+Yılmaz DALKIRAN , Its all good. You were real close in terms of how it looks. I googled it just to have a look. They loop pretty identical, just the nose art is different. Well played.

[@YlmazDALKIRANscallion]

Ichiban7 Thanks =)

[@Duckyistrippin]

Its a plane, it flies around. It could have been seen anywhere.

[@mammutexpressen]

På

[@mur-salin8229]

্নবকবকনবনমন মম

[@chacehart7286]

Literally, all of the worst camera angles...

[@Ichiban7]

LOL, literally sitting in the opposite direction behind the pilots and had to raise the camera up over my head, turn the camera the other way and try to look up at the LCD to see what I am even pointing at. So that's why its shaky and clumsy

[@swamprat69er]

It is nice to see the old girl flying again. She certainly is NOT the quietest aircraft ever built.