So this is how Cheng Chui is applied, thanks for the explanation, it was hard finding out the application of this move.
@wutan_nj4 жыл бұрын
Cheng Chuei being the fundamental movement/drill for Bajiquan, it's purpose is to develop the essential Cheng Jin, once the Jin is developed, there's no set application to the Jin, you can do whatever move that applies the Jin.
I've hesitated to comment on this because it brings up so much. I was taught to do the movement with the lead foot at the end of the movement being a brake. I suspect that way of doing it is changed as one gets more practice because when one gets "advanced" most things are done from the half bow half horse stance and there is no way in THAT stance to focus force on the lead foot. The way you show it, the more "advanced" way for lack of a better term also squares with good boxing form. All the force from a good jab comes off the back foot. I find the movement easier to control, to remain balanced when I focus on rooting the rear foot. Gives me a GREAT deal to think about. I can see how deep Baji practice can even have a spiritual aspect because it almost forces you into a mindfulness session when you train. You have to be VERY focused because so much is going on.
@wutan_nj2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love and welcome productive discussions like this. So from my experience and tests. Front foot braking should not be the case because of multiple reasons: 1. If Baji is all about power reaching the 8W theme directions, and issuing that power throughout opponent’s body… why should anyone put a break on it? 2. Continue with the above. With front foot as “break”, you not only throwing your weight to the front foot which maybe giving you a strong first hit, but you will put yourself in a “stop”, and will take extra steps for you to issue following attacks. With rear foot rooting, you can continue to fire follow up Jin one after one. 3. As demonstrated above, front foot rooting only seems strong but power is not continuous. It is a secondary force, rather as primary support like the rear foot. May I ask, which Baji lineage are your study under? The only lineage that I’ve observed that breaks and stomps on the front foot and still able to make effective attacks is the Han Hua Chen’s lineage.
@rodgerbane38252 жыл бұрын
@@wutan_nj I studied at WuTang Ohio. I went for one year and some change to Grandmaster Yangs classes which were largely taught by several of his disciples. You seem much more into detailed explanations. This is NOT meant as a critique of the Ohio folks but they seemed to hold that you should observe and copy to the best of your abilities. I studied for such a short period because I live a couple of hundred miles away and was only able to make it up at most for once a week. I always understood the movement to be a power development drill more than an actual fighting movement.
@wutan_nj2 жыл бұрын
@@rodgerbane3825 I see, I somehow thought of Ohio WuTan when I saw your previous msg… I was once discussing this topic with James Rogers, you may know him. WuTan’s system has a pretty robust training procedure. Starts with structure, then mechanics, then power generation and delivery, then agility, fluidity, then “Hua”, the ability to dissolve power. But very few had completed and reached the Hua state.
@rodgerbane38252 жыл бұрын
Yep, I know Jimmy . Sadly, we had a falling out over the issue of the last President who I was fairly outspoken against and he seemed very fond of.
@wutan_nj2 жыл бұрын
@@rodgerbane3825 lol… ahh I see. We had a small fall out too, he didn’t like the fact that I’m his kungfu uncle. James is dedicated martial artist, quite good in praying mantis.
How do you know when you are doing it correctly? How should it feel?
@wutan_nj3 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen there are quite a few versions of Bajiquan mabu Chong Chuei (some calls it Cheng Chuei)... But there should ways for you to self check to know at least you are on the right path. 1. Is your body working as a whole? 2. Can your Chong Chuei be performed on extreme slippery surface? 3. When fa-Jin, when you apply power, are you exerting a balanced cross strength? and 4. Most importantly, does your punch/strike have support from the ground? One can feel “right” but can be totally wrong. Having a senior person or teacher help look at your moves.
@giuseppienad26322 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I am wrong, but the footwork of Chong Chuei looks similar to Xingyiquan...except in Xingyi it ends in Santishi
@wutan_nj2 жыл бұрын
You are not wrong. Bajiquan is like a longer and larger version of XingYi. When Bajiquan reaches a high level, the horse stance becomes a 4/6 stance and the Jin gradually reduces to smaller frame.
What's the point of keeping the rear hand like that? In boxing, we're taught to keep the rear hand tight to the body or near the chin to block counters. It also looks rather stiff. There are many great body punches in boxing but I haven't seen anything similar to this.
@wutan_nj4 жыл бұрын
Two purposes: 1. To grab and pull back simultaneously when striking forward. 2. To train what we called 8-extreme power(“Baji”). Which is a development phase gesture, we are not suppose to keep that rear hand hanging in the back like that during fighting situation.
@minoadlawan45834 жыл бұрын
@@wutan_nj thanks for the explaination
@DAF21films2 жыл бұрын
been following you guys for a while and just realized you are based in new jersey..lol
@wutan_nj2 жыл бұрын
The school’s name is WuTan NJ, but we are based in NYC and online remote teaching.
@DAF21films2 жыл бұрын
@@wutan_nj I've been wanting to study baji Chuan for years. I think I found your website will be looking into classes I live in Brooklyn. Your school is in flushing??
@wutan_nj2 жыл бұрын
@@DAF21films no I’m in WestVillage Manhattan, the Queens school is a completely different school.
@DAF21films2 жыл бұрын
@@wutan_nj oh?? I'd love to come train. I've trained mostly in hung gar and xing yi Chuan and a bit of bagua
@wutan_nj2 жыл бұрын
@@DAF21films please email wutanusa@gmail.com and tell me a bit more about your martial arts experience.
2:54 The two problems here are that nothing precedes/follows his strike and that you don't *need* to move that far to generate force. 1. Its not the punch that's important so much as the setup/follow up. Lunging is a great way to get countered. The only reason anyone with any ring time(in any martial art) would stand there for that is to counter. He covers way too much ground at once with no attack, no feint, and no guard. Not sweet or scientific. 2. As far as I can tell, all his force comes from the initial step onto the lead foot from the back. You can hear it in the stomp and see step 2 is slower. He'd hit just as hard or harder if he were simply in *better range* and relied on the initial weight transfer. Even if there is a better version that adds more force, plenty of people can do damage without it so why not do it the economical way once you're actually in range? I'm sure someone will insist it's just showing a technique but if you don't have intelligent/varied ways to set up attacks and follow up from them, then they're not going to be reliable. You're much better off waiting for someone to lung at you like this and then attacking once they've committed. The stance shift doesn't help generate force, so the question is why do the extra work? Going back to point 1, if there is a use, it would be strictly to do with the position that it leaves you and your opponent in. That's really the only reason to take extra steps. You're either in position or not. Extra steps get you in or out of that position...or out of the fight, haha. No shame in that.
@minoadlawan45832 жыл бұрын
I swear I saw this in a reddit thread once.
@jestfullgremblim80022 жыл бұрын
@@minoadlawan4583 lol
@jestfullgremblim80022 жыл бұрын
Now the real explanation to this mess: This is just a concept!!! Good Bajiquan teacher will tell you that. It is not supposed to be done like this, it's only to teach you how to throw and attack that can push back your opponent, and also how to generate power with your stomping. Yeah, if you practice it enough, you may figure out how to use it effectively, but it wasn't made with the intention of being used like that...
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