Babylon 5 | In the Beginning: Part Two | Reaction

[@medusacascade]

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[@gordon861]

wow that was released quick

[@chrissonofpear1384]

The novelization by Peter David adds some really nice extra scenes, by the way. Including a little bit more in the future scenes on Centauri Prime; Londo and G'Kar meeting for the first time ('I'll have my eye out for you Mollari!') and John and Jeff meeting at the barracks just prior to the Battle of the Line.

[@merkarion7883]

The Children were from his Londo´s Old Friend Urza Jaddo that he killed in the Duell. The Centauri Woman that was with them was Lord Refa´s Daughter Senna Refa .

[@rudolphclancy8293]

I think it's one of the novels that says the children are Urza Jaddo's grandchildren, confirming Londo kept his promise to his old friend to accept his family into House Mollari.

[@ebonstone2980]

'Not Kosh' is referred to as Ulkesh in the novel. He's...nicer before Interludes and Examinations. He was basically 'ambassador' to the Minbari after Kosh went to Babylon 5.

[@TheHorrorificPodcast]

It's an absolute joy to revisit this series with you. Babylon 5 will remain a classic with complex storylines and fully fleshed out characters. There isn't much out there that can compare.

[@Ruosteinenknight]

04:32 "When in doubt, use nukes." -John Sheridan, probably. He's actually nuked his enemies three times now: the black star, the shadow capital and then third space aliens. Bruce Boxleitner actually said that the cast just started to call him John "Nuke 'em" Sheridan after the tv movie.

[@KBTibbs]

Of all the things Babylon 5 does well, I think it is the best at dramatic irony -- when the audience knows something and the characters do not. We grimace when Londo asks the young boy "What do you want?" We tear up when Ivanova gives her brother her earring. We are tried up in knots watching Michael York have first contact with the Minbari. We're yelling at the screen when Delenn doesn't care even a little bit about her prisoner Sheridan (until he passes on Lenonn's message). We go through that incredibly traumatic speech by the Earth President, but we know it's going to be (somewhat) okay. The dramatic irony is, I think, the greatest tool in the B5 toolbox.

[@simonoleary9264]

In Londo's monologue, there is one line that is particularly poignant. "I only hope that when it is my time, I die with half as much dignity as I saw in their eyes in the end. " As he is saying this, Londo KNOWS he will be dead in a few hours, this is his final wish. For me, Peter Jurasik absolutely nailed this monologue (and Londo generally).

[@lionofhighpark]

Remember all the way back in the original pilot movie when Londo does the opening narration, he says "I was there". This is why. It was all part of Londo's storytelling to these children.

[@commknightj]

Your face when Jeff showed up...Priceless!!!

[@JeffreySquires]

The Battle of the Line speech always gets me so hard. Amazing acting, writing, everything.

[@stuartwald2395]

She also served as captain of the USS Enterprise (one of many crossovers between the franchises).

[@waynezimmerman1950]

@@stuartwald2395 I hated that episode. The actor was Tricia O'Neil and she played Captain Rachel Garrett in Next Gens Yesterday's Enterprise. She played such a bad-ass I was royally ticked off that they killed her off halfway through. At least I wrote some fan fiction about her; one I submitted to Pocket Books contest: strange new worlds, for which I got a book mark. Oh well.

[@emsleywyatt3400]

@@waynezimmerman1950 I never even got a bookmark.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@waynezimmerman1950 Did you get to read the Captain's Log collection? And Well of Souls? Also, Vulcan's Heart (all feature Garrett)

[@waynezimmerman1950]

@@chrissonofpear1384 I didn't; thanks for the heads up.

[@jeremybrowand5941]

He did far better with that question than I did. Brilliant lol.

[@Raienya]

Looking at this now, so many years later, is just mind-boggling. JMS is such an incredible world builder, storyteller, and visionary. *edit* Shit-Kosh is now head cannon.

[@sdfried4877]

Both Kosh's were in agreement and acting on behalf of their government in trying to bring the humans and Minbari together in their philosophical war against the Shadows. They are essentially the same at this point. It is not until Kosh spends extended time in the company of humans that he begins to empathize and relate to them. He feels responsible for their suffering and eventually he's obliged to help. As JMS put it, Kosh went native. When Ulkesh shows up on the station, he has no relationship bias and cares for the humans about as much as a scientist cares for the lab rats he's using in his studies.

[@Volthoom]

For the Vorlons this has been a delicate game of "how do we ensure none of this gets fucked". Since they got all the information about current-day events from Sinclair 1000 years ago, they knew how things are *supposed* to work out, but not the precise details. It's like doing a puzzle, but if you don't fit every piece correctly on your first try the entire galaxy gets screwed over.

[@christianemden7637]

It's one of the conundrums of every time travel histories, do events change the future or "it happens because it happened before" meaning events are unchagable.

[@dargron7614]

I've always been curious if Sinclair was the only source of the Vorlon's future knowledge. In mid-season 2, Sheridan is possessed by an energy being that wants to be released into the time rift in Sector 14. I've always wondered if that energy being was a piece of Kosh, secretly travelling back in time to give himself foreknowledge of exactly how everything will play out in the future.

[@sdfried4877]

They address in one of the episodes that Valen's foreknowledge ends when he takes B4 back. He has no idea how things will turn out.

[@TheNoybusiness]

@@dargron7614 No, it was native to the time rift.

[@Volthoom]

@@sdfried4877 Yeah which i assume is a part of the reason why Vorlons were so quick to go buttfuck-insane after War Without End.

[@NCC-72545A]

My favorite part in this movie is when Lando says, "It's ironic isn't it? I had every window in the palace blocked off, because I was afraid if I turned around the corner and saw this that I break down and cry. And yet I spent all of my time here, in this room looking at it. "In my life I had four wives care for them both deeply. But I loved Centari Prime, loved every street, every Tower, every inch of our world.. "Everything I did I did for her and look what we have done to her. "BUT...there is hope, that would be hard, it'll be so very hard. "Now where was I... yes... the War. "The humans I think knew they were doomed. Where another race with surrendered to despair, the humans wood fought back with even greater strength. "They made the Minbari fight, for every inch of space in my life I never seen anything like it. "They would weep, they would pray, they would say goodbye to the loved ones and then throw themselves without fear or hesitation that very face of death itself, never surrendering. "No one who sold them fighting against the inevitable could help but be moved to Tears by their courage, they're stepper nobility. "When they ran out of ships they used guns when they were out of guns to use knives and sticks and bad hands they were magnificent I only hope that when it is my time I may die with half as much dignity as I saw in their eyes at the end they did this for 2 years they never ran out of Courage but soon they ran out of time." I am moved just as much every time I listen to either the music or the speech in its entirety so much I now have the music for my ringtone on certain things

[@Wolf-ln1ml]

"You could always board up the windows..." 😋

[@inhumanmusic1411]

You saw that Minbari ranger earlier in the show. He was the Rabbi who visited Ivanava in the first season. And if you watch Star Trek: The Next Generation, He plays Worf's Father.

[@MarioLabot]

Theodore Bikel, The Broadway Captain Von Trapp

[@emsleywyatt3400]

I saw him live once in "Fiddler on the Roof".

[@davidblauyoutube]

This is the most amazing clip show I have ever seen in my history of watching television. We already knew most of the major plot pieces because we had been told them over the span of four years, but seeing them all woven together into a coherent story told from Londo's POV? Absolutely brilliant!

[@erictaylor5462]

"Only one human has ever survived battle with the Minbary. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else."

[@nemo99nemo83]

to be fair many humans who fought in the battle of the line also did ;)

[@KBTibbs]

@@nemo99nemo83 Which is why Delenn says "human Captain".

[@nemo99nemo83]

@@KBTibbs Well Sheridan wasn't a Captain during the battle he survived ;)

[@falxonPSN]

What's a Minbary?

[@Axenna]

@@nemo99nemo83 I think, because of captain Sterns being dead, he was. Don’t quote me on this, but I think that he would have become de facto captain due to the fact that his commanding officer had died.

[@kroberts8866]

The music was put to its zenith with the continuation of the war. JMS essentially told the composer to "break our hearts".

[@aeneasfate]

I still load up a clip of Londo's retelling of Earth's desperation and 'stubborn nobility' almost every time I've been reminded of the series.

[@mgerlicki]

Very glad you waited, it's clear from the videos it was worth the wait. In case no one has mentioned it, the second Vorlon's name is Ulkesh (JMS mentioned this at one point), and both of them (Kosh and Ulkesh) are the Vorlons at the end of War Without End (that's how and why Kosh knew Sinclair/Valen, leading all the way back to The Gathering any why he was willing to open his Encounter Suit to him). This movie ties in so many strings, loose ends, and plot points over the entire series to date (and a few I won't mention going forward) - it's a masterpiece. I still prefer Thirdspace as my #1 B5 movie, but this is a very, very close second. And don't neglect to notice the true desperation of Humanity at the end and how in earlier seasons you had people on ISN going "But we won the war, the Minbari surrendered." and just how fast that revisionist history took place (only 10 years) - but those that lived it knew the truth. Seeing how so many of the characters backstories were forged, who they were and how that lead to we they are is so well done because it's organic, there's no retconning, it all actually ties in. JMS for all he's written I consider one of if not the best writer/storyteller of our time. And he, along with all of us, was so lucky to have the cast he did.

[@drronin112]

It's a rare thing to put together a prequel to a series where we generally know what happens overall, but getting down into the nitty gritty and nuance and different perspectives is why this movie always resonates so well with myself and probably most fans. I wholeheartedly believe that if you have no emotional response to Londo's narrative at about 1:10 (In the actual movie, the one that ends: "...They never ran out of courage. But in the end…they ran out of time.") then you have to be a robot.

[@robertdendooven7258]

The one section of this movie that almost brings me to tears every time I see it is when Londo talks about how the Humans tried to fight back after the one attempt at a negotiation got interrupted by the Centauri warship. The music by Christopher Franke is so melancholy and sad that it is the part that almost makes me tear up. I had hoped you would have shown it but understand the editing process and any problems with copyrights.

[@simonoleary9264]

Me too "The Humans, I think, knew they were doomed. But where another race would surrender to despair, the Humans fought back with even greater strength. They made the Minbari fight for every inch of space. In my life I have never seen anything like it. They would weep, They would pray, They would say goodbye to their loved ones, and then throw themselves without fear or hesitation at the very face of death itself, never surrendering. No one who saw them fight against the inevitable could help but be moved to tears by their courage... their stubborn nobility. When they ran out of ships, they used guns. When they ran out of guns they used knives and sticks and bare hands. They were magnificent. I only hope that when it is my time, I die with half as much dignity as I saw in their eyes in the end. They did this for two years. But in the end, they didn't run out of courage, they ran out of time."

[@robertdendooven7258]

@@simonoleary9264 The exact part I was talking about. Thank you for transcribing it. 👍

[@waynezimmerman1950]

@@robertdendooven7258 Here's both Londo's praise of Humankind and The Earth Alliance president's speech; thanks to Chong Whye Lim for uploading it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKutkoSqj9msa68

[@Shadowstrom]

I always tend to tear up at that part mostly down to how haunting that music is along with the power of Londo's speech

[@cedric13]

Is like how the battle of Helms deep would have gone without the Charge of the Roheran and Gandolf at the end

[@sergioaccioly5219]

Fun fact: the children were family (children?) of Urza Jaddo (Knives, 2x17). Londo's friend that challengedto a duel and got killed so that Londo would protect his family from Refa's purge. And the nanny was Refa's daughter.

[@vokhev]

That's interesting. Is this info from a novel? If not, where is it from?

[@readhistory2023]

@@vokhev From the episode where his friend is killed. He asks Lando to take care of them.

[@sergioaccioly5219]

@@vokhev the novelizatons (both "in the beginning" and "the fall of Centauri Prime" trilogy, Legions of Fire), both by Peter David. Mind you, it's been a few years since I read them. But the nanny is for sure.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@vokhev Yes, her name is Senna, and she shows up at the palace, accusative of Londo, in book 1 of the Legions of Fire trilogy. She ends up allowed to work there, as a teacher and nanny, forming a friendship with Vir, and even Timov, for a bit, I think.

[@matthewknobel6954]

Adds to another of my favorite quotes: "This is Ambassador Delenn of the Minbari. Babylon 5 is under our protection. Withdraw or be destroyed." "Negative. We have authorite here. Do not force us to engage your ship." "Why not? Only one Human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else!" Severed Dreams

[@toinenosoite3173]

It is, tbh, so incredible how this film brings so many stories together. And particularly, how they are mostly so unexpected and satisfying.

[@brandonreed09]

It's interesting that you think the meeting with the humans didn't go well. I'm fairly certain it went exactly how the Vorlons wanted it to go. They knew that war needed to happen in order for Valen/Sinclair to be found by the Minbari and for events that led to the Shadow's defeat in the prior war to be set in motion.

[@Dreamfox-df6bg]

What always gets me the most in this movie is how Londo describes the war, how the humans never ran out of courage for two years during the war and after the movie we know he also speaks about the courage his people will need in the days ahead, that he himself will die soon, sacrificing himself for his world. The moment where we realized when exactly he tells the story came to most of us as a shock. Time and time again Babylon 5 has shown us what you can do with an ongoing story that has been mapped out. And even though we have heard al lot this movie shows us from so many people, from different point of views, it still gets to us. And yet, as we are in the middle of the streaming war, no one seems to remember how to build up stories. In a time when views and the ability to rewatch would boost their numbers, we get mostly sub-.par stories. Also to remember that Babylon 5 had only half the budget of Star Trek back then and CGI was still in it's infancy. I can't help but wonder what we could have today.

[@steveaustin2686]

The two Vorlons are Kosh Naranek and Ulkesh Naranek. jms confirmed Ulkesh's name from the book "To Dream in the City of Sorrows", which details Sinclair's time on Minbar from the end of the 1st season to the mid-point of season 3. Naranek is a Vorlon title, but jms never said what the title meant.

[@ebonstone2980]

I have the sense that Kosh and Ulkesh were a couple, and that's why Ulkesh behaves as he does after taking Kosh's place.

[@madyak6669]

If I remember from a JMS interview,the kids Londo tells the story to are related to Urza, who Londo promised to protect in 'Knives'

[@TheNoybusiness]

Yes, they're his niece and nephew. We also get more information in the Legions of Fire novel trilogy.

[@Wh0isTh3D0ct0r]

7:40 Fun fact: the president of the Earth Alliance was played by the same woman who played the captain of the Enterprise-C in Star Trek: The Next Generation's season three episode "Yesterday's Enterprise."

[@christianemden7637]

When you say everyone you like dies, look at it from this perspective, the writing for those characters is so fantastic, that their deaths matter and you care about them.

[@fakecubed]

John "Nuke 'Em" Sheridan strikes again!

[@mndrew1]

Best part was seeing Lancelot as the gunner on the human ship that started the war. Glorious callback. :)

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Arthur, technically... (aka David Macintyre)

[@ethenallen1388]

While the close encounter between John and Delenn during the war was an interesting detail, I doubt she actively sought him out before he was assigned the Babylon 5. Remember, some Mimbari were so offended by him that they deliberately killed themselves to try to discredit him. Even Leneer was hostile towards him at first. If Delenn was more inclined to be friendly, it was probably because she remembered that when the Gray Council was split on how to react to Dukhat's death, she screamed "No mercy." As such, she had no right to be judgmental, and she knew it. The Universe may have had plans to put John and Delenn together, and Kosh may have been in on them, but I don't think Delenn was.

[@JeshuaSquirrel]

This movie really demonstrates the Vorlon adage: Understanding is a three-edged sword. There is so much to every story, some elements we never know. The misunderstanding that started everything. The involvement of Londo and how his choices exacerbated things. And even the plans within plans that got Sinclair aboard the Minbari cruiser. Also, if you remember, Londo does the opening voice-over for The Gathering, and one of the lines he uses is "I was there at the start of Third Age of mankind," the same line he uses to start his story to the children.

[@bryancorrell3689]

Lenonn (the ranger who dies at the meeting with Sheridan) is played by the same actor (Theodore Bikel) who played Ivanova's "uncle" Rabbi Yossel Koslov back in 'TKO' in season one.

[@davidgipe997]

The art in the writing structure is just terrific. JMS, the cast, the crew was all a wonderful mesh. This movie really gives a sense of history and world building.

[@glrasshopper]

I love seeing reactions where you can spot the exact moment that everything falls into place for them, after 4 seasons, and their mind is utterly blown.

[@tonyroid1]

This is my favorite show. Just perfect.

[@Axenna]

Hello! Long time watcher, first time commenter. So…two things. As to the Kosh/Ulkesh thing, I think Kosh was keeping the others in line, to a point, and when he died, the others kind of lost it. That would explain why Ulkesh is so cold and ruthless. The second thing is, I seem to recall John being told that he was the Minbari’s choice to replace Sinclair if anything ever happened. I’m guessing that this is why. Delenn probably used her pull to get him in, even though a lot of Minbari hated him for destroying the Black Star. Love your videos!

[@Stile4aly]

"Shit Kosh" I'm fucking dead.

[@Matej_Sojka]

The children were son and daughter of house Jaddo that became protected by House Mollari after Londo killed his old friend in a sword duel. The woman who took care of them was daughter of Lord Reefa whom Londo took in and raised. If you ever have a chance to read the Centauri trilogy Legions of Fire, please do so. As for the two Vorlons, the were partners for a long time. You saw Alkesh at his worst in the show, full of grief and rage over Kosh´s murder. It spent thousand years among younger races, especially Minbari, helping them and also had direct involvement in White Star fleet design and development.

[@TheNoybusiness]

Seconded! It's really worth reading all of the canon novels ("The Shadow Within", "To Dream in the City of Sorrows", the Legions of Fire trilogy, the Psi Corps trilogy, and the Passing of the Techno-mages trilogy).

[@steveaustin2686]

Ulkesh. The second Vorlon is named Ulkesh as shown in the book "To Dream in the City of Sorrow" by Kathryn Drennan. Since she was married to jms at the time, she had unprecendented access to backstory for the book. jms confirmed on the social media of the day that the second Vorlon's name was Ulkesh.

[@Matej_Sojka]

@@steveaustin2686 Yeah, sorry, typo.

[@tomcopple7633]

The President's speech before the Battle of the Line, and Londo's monologue about following orders get me.

[@Norbert_Sattler]

There was some minor retconing to the death of the Black Star if you compare the scene to what was said in the series. Sinclair specifically said that he never saw any Minbari pull a sneak attack and they fought honourably. And Sheridan in his own right explained to Ivannova at one point how they couldn't lock on to Minbari ships, so he got the idea to use mines, since they need to target lock, and how he mined the asteroid belt in Sol and lured the Black Star in. Here we clearly see Black Star use underhanded tactics to pull a sneak attack and Sheridan is doing a desperate last-ditch effort, rather than something pro-active. Apparently someone high up (probably the studio) felt Sheridan pro-actively setting up a minefield and intentionally luring the enemy into it would be too dishonorable and cowardly for the main hero of the series and forced these changes.

[@hornorsilk2901]

or, it can be Londo changed facts

[@TheNoybusiness]

Also, there's no indication here that it's anything more significant than a random asteroid field, whereas Sheridan had said it was *the* Asteroid Belt between Mars and Jupiter, putting them very close to Earth.

[@wanderingthedesert5599]

I think I enjoyed In the Beginning the most because of how heavily it ties in to the main Babylon 5 story whereas the other tv movies are more akin to stand alone side adventures (though A Call to Arms may count as a 'continuation of certain threads alluded to'.

[@zarabada6125]

Londo also narrated The Gathering. Has the whole show been a story told by Londo?

[@geoffharding7779]

Loving the reviews. Your reference to ' The Kosh's ' made me roar with laughter - Kosh and ' Shit Kosh '. Priceless !

[@chrisfraser5088]

What a fantastic story IN THE BEGINNING tells. So glad you liked it.

[@Tsurnari]

Now you know how Sheridan got the name 'Star Killer'. Would loved to have seen your face at the section where Londo narrates the stubbornness of humans after the negotiations failed.

[@christophstahl8169]

"My shoes are too tight and i've forgotten how to dance." still love that line. JMS proved again and again with this show that you don't need to make everything a mystery. You can know what will happen and it is still intersting and engaging and emotional to actually experience the journey. In this we basicly know all that is shown already. And it still hits all the feels. It is exceptional storytelling. I wish writers today would remember that a mystery in a show matters way way less than they think. For example: In the gathering we are told how Londo and G'Kar will die. And we see it happening in season three and it is still surprising and emotional - maybe moreso since it was lingering since the very first tv movie. There has never been a show planned out and told like babylon 5 has and maybe we never get one like it again. In the whole run of the show JMS wrote all episodes except for 18 (mostly from the first seasons)

[@ThePrytanis]

The President's speech at the Battle of the Line is one of my favourite speeches in this IP. G'Kar has it beat, but my god it's emotional. Brings me to tears.

[@mayra3277]

Indeed, all Sinclair scenes were archive footage - Michael O'Hare wasn't well enough to film at the time. But they still made it work. This movie is so incredible for achieving so much with so little. It essentially takes place in three time periods without any time travel involved, it is constricted by budget and actor availability, they needed to convincingly have the actors play their characters ten years before the start of the show five years after... and it is just an amazing piece of film. With heartbreaking speeches and music (though I will say there is one single piece of soundtrack in the show that is even more emotional than that during Londo's speech about the war - I think some seasoned fans will know). Very glad you liked this movie!!

[@hornorsilk2901]

In the Beginning is one of those stories which is worth the hype. And though it might "spoil" a few reveals in the series, I know some people do begin with it, and it does work well as an intro to the show (it is what eventually got my father into the series, for once he understood the initial story, he was able to embrace the show and find it became one of his favorite shows).

[@nagillim7915]

It's not really clear in the movie, but those two children are Urza Jaddo's children (from the season 2 episode Knives). And the lady in waiting is Lord Refa's daughter who Londo apparently took in after killing her father.

[@samuel_towle]

I have forgotten where I heard or saw it, but it was also rumored that the two Vorlons that were with Sinclair (Valen) on Babylon 4 at the end of "War Without End" were Kosh and Not Kosh.

[@jamesabernethy7896]

I love the sheer range of emotions you showed during this movie. I know it's a lot more than 20 seconds of the actual film, but in your reactions 8:29 - head in hands...8:49 head in hands but for a completely different reason. There is always this great sense of empathy with you but I really enjoyed both parts of your reaction.

[@corbanb5]

the two parts of this movie that moves me everytime are the Presidents speech and Londo explaining how he loved Centauri prime and how humans fought back with even great strength. His voice, the script and the music is just SPOT ON.

[@nostrus6500]

Such a great installment in the B5 story. The president's speech at the battle of the line and Londo's narration of the fight against overwhelming odds are so good it's criminal "I have never seen anything like it; They would weep, they would pray, they would say goodbye to their loved ones, and then throw themselves without fear or hesitation at the very face of death itself, never surrendering. No one who saw them fighting against the inevitable could help but be moved to tears by their courage. Their stubborn nobility."

[@johnsmith8906]

The Earth Presidents speech is always moving to me.

[@readhistory2023]

This was such a good addition to the storyline. Star Wars could learn something. This is how you do memberberries.

[@damonbryan7232]

JMS said about "the beginning". This was what he told executives the show was. It was his sells pitch.

[@BabylonLurker]

It is amazing how much this movie brings new pieces of the puzzle to the story, weaving it into another story. Interesting that this is told from Londo's perspective. He also did the intro to the pilot "The Gathering". Coincidence? I don't think so. "Shit-Kosh" Excellent! That is one to remember. Be seeing you!

[@SpockvsEgon]

To see exactly what happens in the Centauri Prime future depicted here and in War Without End, read Babylon 5: Legions of Fire Book 3, Out of the Darkness. Technically, it's book three of a series chronicling Londo's life as Emporer, but I read book three first and missed nothing. I read book two later, which I thought stank (although Lou Welch returns in that book), and I haven't actually read the first book yet.

[@neilcreek]

Wonderful reaction to such an incredible story! In a way, you can see Londo as being the storyteller of the whole Babylon 5 saga. If you recall, the very first voice we heard in the pilot was that of Londo: "I was there at the dawn of the Third Age of mankind." G'Kar was the best orator, but I think Londo was really B5's storyteller.

[@DshibiVideo]

Pretty sure Ivanova only wears one earring through the series run as well, so this explains that. Also, Londo begins 'The Gathering' with 'I was there at the dawn of the third age of mankind...', as though he is telling the story of Babylon 5 :)

[@tyranusfan]

Kosh Squared. That's a good title for something.

[@CybershamanX]

JMS is a master of storytelling! Glad you enjoyed this so much! Take care and a happy new year to you, MC! 😀

[@pedanticperson1149]

Re: Dr Franklin & his medical ethics That was always one of the interest moral questions for me, would it be wrong to use such information & weapons if the alternative was humanity people completely wiped out? The scene where the President is giving the Battle of the Line speech always makes me shiver, that one desperate hope & asking for volunteers to hold the line for it.

[@lizstratton9689]

So pleased you enjoyed the film it is very clever how they spun the tale and revisited the beginning.

[@regirei79]

It is the story of the Earth Minbari... It is a prequel movie ... :)

[@TheSlipperyjimbo]

I'm curious as to what you think of the new B5 series that was in the works (not sure if it still is tbh) B5 has been one of my favourite series to watch since its release and watching your reactions has kept me entertained for ages now. Thanks and Merry Christmas.

[@hemmojito]

two sides of the same medallion. Good Kosh: These people have to follow our path but let's convince them with hints ands signs. Bad Kosh: I agree. But if they don't follow we have to root out the evil no matter the cost.

[@Poss1]

Wonderful! Thanks for keeping on. :) Now to watch. Here we go!

[@Edward256]

Who's to say these scenes weren't filmed in full from the get-go, and throughout all these seasons and movie we've been seeing little pieces here and there. Also, I've thought of Kosh & Kosh as brothers. I know, how can they be related? Probably Lion King getting in the way of rational thinking. :p

[@Jamienomore]

This was a Very Good Story. Your Reactions showed that. 😊

[@fredfiles2155]

So happy you've finally seen this.

[@adambrown3918]

When the President of Earth gives her final address to everyone; I find it heart-wrenching and so convincing that this is our last stand. 😥 What a show! 😃

[@algi1]

I always cry watching this.

[@rfletch62]

JNS was at the top of his game in this one. Perhaps the best of the B5 movies.

[@dcsignal5241]

This movie was such a beautiful gift to all of us who had experienced the week to week unfolding of the previous 4 seasons. Why some fans, who should know better, would try to deprive newbies of that experience by watching it early baffles me.

[@lucasbachmann]

I barely got one person to watch the series and it was right when it got yanked off Amazon so they did not finish. It's a different experience if this is what they see first but better than nothing. I'd personally do it after season 1 at the earliest for someone new if there was a commitment. The Sinclair to Sheridan switch would make more sense than it did in real time I suspect.

[@matthewkagle2573]

Never understood why Sheridan was considered expendable. I mean, he was a visible hero.

[@johnbarleycorn_]

It's a crazy level of detail, but if you go back and look you'll see that Ivanova wears one ear ring.

[@bekenotsalony2905]

I don't think this is spoilers. I think its the books that explain "not kosh" was Kosh's mate, which is why he got so anti anyone not vorlon after Kosh's death. But he's also the one from the episode when they stole B4 and Jeff became Valen.

[@228Iya]

Back in the day JMS himself used to post on the old B5 Website he broke down the difference between Kosh and Faux Kosh (real name Ulkesh according to JMS) Ulkesh was more pf a traditionalist seeing human as nothing more than primitives while Kosh saw the potential humanity.

[@SamGray]

It's much better to avoid the spoilers posted by people who get so excited they just spill all the beans in their frenzy to 'explain' things that haven't happened yet.

[@shotarohidari7417]

With this movie and seasons 1-4 out of the way, it is finally time to say it...... Now you know John' Sheridan's fandom nickname... John "Nuke'em' Sheridan.

[@jatkinson85]

She's already seen Thirdspace as well, so she has seen all three occasions that John "Nuke'em" Sheridan has earned that nickname.

[@cmdrcriton]

" shit-kosh" ..lmfao

[@clarkestaton818]

I can't wait for you to get to Season 5!

[@sharkdentures3247]

Glad you enjoyed this so much. Personally? I don't much like these "flashback-heavy" (or flashback "injected") episodes/shows/movies. I dunno, it just feels a little Heavy-Handed to me or something. (Like it is a bit TOO dependent on our main characters.) The ONLY reason I "like" it in THIS case is because it is Babylon 5! AND it was done rather well.

[@mewlins]

I think I'm in the minority with you here. There are a lot of good bits, but the likelihood that that the two main narn and centauri negotiators with earth happened to be G'kar and Londo is silly. The idea that G'kar, Sheridan and Franklin all went on a secret mission during the war is silly. And that they ended up on a Minbari ship in front of Delenn is very silly. Without those kind of things I think it'd be a lot stronger. But obviously almost no one agrees with us.

[@zingzangspillip1]

I've never liked the convenience that Sheridan, Franklin, G'Kar & Londo are all involved with the meeting with Lenonn. It is such a huge moment in the story, but no-one ever mentions it. The rest of it is great, though. There is an excellent scene in the screenplay/novelisation where Sinclair and Sheridan have a conversation. Anyone who can track it down, should.

[@chadnine3432]

So good. My favorite of the B5 TV movies.

[@darrylgleave8276]

JMS is a master of setting seeds to grow when he wanted them, a tour de force of clever writing... i miss this level of quality scifi... the expanse is the only thing thats come close for me.

[@dalegleneagles5072]

Wow, forgot how good this is. This is probably the best of the movies. Next up: A Call To Arms! Although I can't remember when it would be appropriate to watch that in the chronology...

[@hornorsilk2901]

after Season 5

[@jatkinson85]

That one is post season 5 before Crusade.

[@stephenpaxman6180]

great old series

[@davidlow862]

"I think the others only need a reason, but there is no such reason" Well how about showing them the message from Dukhat saying that they need the humans to survive? SFDebris was right, thats one heck of a plothole.

[@exile220ify]

Once you watch the first four seasons and then watch this - you finally understand just how brilliant Joe Michael Straczynski really is :)

[@alexshdvideo]

So did you think the series would. E this engaging when you started watching the “Gathering “?

[@jamesjesterng7659]

I do think this was the best B5 film.

[@demonbuddy1]

Medusa really needs to dress up for Babylon 5 reviews. Can you imagine her as a Minbari?