Babylon 5 Newbies React to 3x19 | Grey 17 Is Missing | First Time Watching

[@alunrundle162]

Franklin's problem is his addiction to stims was a direct result of his primary addiction. It's the addiction to work that he has to overcome as well as the addiction to stims. That's why he can't go back to medbay to get help with it, from what I can tell. He has to break the pattern of his own actions or the stims will come back on him. And he IS religious. They mention it once or twice that he's something called a Foundationalist. The 'walkabout' (borrowed from the aborigine) is part of their religion.

[@rafetizer]

Or at least the idea that he personally cant rest if there's work to do.

[@pedanticperson1149]

Re: The Cult - that was just a way to get Garibaldi out of the way so Marcus could be the one dealing with Neroon, otherwise there would be questions as to why security wasn't better (but with him gone there's an excuse). As for Neroon, it was a bit rushed, but it's just setting up that there was tension in Delenn being selected as Ranger 1, Marcus being willing be ended show Neroon that they were fully committed to her in a way that they never would be with him. He's not been won over into joining Delenn, he just recognises the futility of objecting to her appointment. Re: Franklin - his current arc is similar to Garibaldi in this episode, J. Michael Straczynski had to give him something to do so he went off on walk-about to explain why he's absent.

[@derekramsaroup3883]

John Vickery as Neroon ...what a commanding voice he had ...Great presence...

[@stuartwald2395]

As a Mimbari, he could grow as a character...as a Cardassian, it didn't work out so well (for the character).

[@Carl_Gustav_Häyhä]

Not so great when he was that Nightwatch leader on S2E22.

[@rafetizer]

Floating is based on surface area to mass ratio. You start replacing your fat with more dense muscle and now you have more weight but disproportionately less area.

[@sergioaccioly5219]

About the time between decks: how many seconds between the groud floor and your apartment floors in real life? Somethings we take for granted. And the engineers - have you ever seen one of those pictures in which a bridge is being built from both sides and in the point in which they are supposed to meet, there's a gigantig gap, they are misaligned by more than the bridge's width? Same difference. Nobody goes to the Gray sector to notice the difference.

[@chrisfraser5088]

Ah, the Freddy Kruger episode 😂

[@FormulaFox]

Babylon 5 Fan Rule #77: We do not talk about Garibaldi's acid trip in Grey Sector.

[@williambranch4283]

Space ... it is a really big vacuum! Candygram!

[@tvdroid22]

JMS spoke on episode quality. He mentioned a great episode, and then he said, "and then you have Grey 17." The crowd laughed, and he didn't disagree. It's too bad because there was some significant stuff happening with Marcus and Neroon. Maintenance guy to cop on Fast and Furious. Not bad. Marcus was a newbie. Delenn was much more capable and experienced. Delenn is half Minbari, half human. I'm not sure that helps her. Bullets will fire if they get hot enough, but no, that was a stretch. The Neroon actor played a human member of President Clark's admin (Mr Welles) in "The Fall of Night." John Vickery made the rounds playing other characters including a Klingon and a Cardassian on the Trek side of things.

[@charlesmaurer6214]

Just wait for the full Naroon plot to be revealed. If you know, you know.

[@TheFalconerNZ]

Agree a filler episode that could have been better but you can't win them all & it does provide context for some events in the future, notably the telepath recruitment.

[@corneliusoverton2617]

This episode alone, is enough to rank season 4 above season 3.

[@chrisnielsen9885]

you guys planning to finish off the last 2 of this season this weekend?

[@RKnights]

Yes

[@chrisnielsen9885]

@@RKnights AWESOME!!!

[@7WhitePhoenix7]

Three*

[@chrisnielsen9885]

@@7WhitePhoenix7 pretty sure they ended up doing two on the last livestream so there are two left

[@7WhitePhoenix7]

@chrisnielsen9885 I'm only going by the number of episodes left of Season 3 from this episode. They have Rock, Dancing, and Z left.

[@alexshdvideo]

This one of the episodes I never rewatch. Grey 17 is almost a slur in the b5 fandom

[@boqndimitrov8693]

not a big fan of the doctor.his father was 10 times more interesting character.

[@sergioaccioly5219]

This is, without a doubt, the weakest episode of S3, one that JMS don't even remember writting, so sick he was when he wrote it. And one he wouldn't mind if it were disappeared from continuity.

[@alexanderfuog6481]

If I recall correctly, JMS was high on painkillers for an injury when he wrote the Grey 17 side of the story. Scheduling meant it could not be rewritten.

[@Unformed8]

Would explain why this one is so much below expectations The minbari story is great, Grey 17... not so much...

[@jeromeshaw2248]

Pretty sure that was exogenisis

[@chrisnielsen9885]

I think I remember him saying the director disregarded his wishes for how they lit the man in the rubber suit, instead of subdued lighting to leave it to your imagination, they went with a massive light behind him

[@jeromeshaw2248]

@@chrisnielsen9885 that makes sense. It’s so badly lit and just shows everything which means all the mistakes. Now I think about it. I bet Infection could have been a better episode if they lit it better. But they were so proud of the first full prosthesis for tv they had to show it

[@chrisnielsen9885]

@@jeromeshaw2248 I just wish JMS had hired a proper horror writer and director for it

[@yumyumpodcast]

What makes Neroon a fun character is that you can totally see why he believes what he does but he is willing to admit when he is wrong.

[@SirMarshalHaig]

Great charcter and always a pleasure to have him in an episode

[@HaldorZX]

Just to clear this up, because it sounded like you guys misunderstood this, Neroon has not joined up in the fight against the Shadows, he's not part of team B5 or whatever we want to call our heroes. He showed up because the idea of a member of the Religious Caste being put in charge of a martial order offended his sensibilities as a Warrior. All Marcus did was prove to him that, despite his superior fighting skills, he could never inspire such loyalty in the Rangers as Delenn, forcing him to concede he was wrong on this singular point and depart. He isn't joining up or converted though and next time they meet there's no guarantee they'll be on the same side.

[@gallendugall8913]

Robert Englund was Freddy Kruger and as Willie in V. He was almost Han Solo in Star Wars. Filler episode!

[@tjtenser7828]

There are no filler episodes on B5 in my opinion.

[@gallendugall8913]

@@tjtenser7828 I consider season 5 a filler season

[@joeychicago6436]

Every Babylon 5 fan must be baptized through this episode. Its over now and can't hurt you again.

[@this.is.a.username]

i've always liked it v0v

[@rafetizer]

Its part fun, the rest eyeroll.

[@TheDanEdwards]

A brilliant episode, only let down by the crappy monster suit at the end.

[@Trouble10]

Neroon does not need an entourage. Neroon doesn't want an entourage. Neroon is not threatened by any humans or religious caste Minbari.

[@geoffharper8650]

Garibaldis steam gun could work given enough heat . If you throw a bunch of bullets into a fire the gunpowder could -cook off-and fire the slugs .

[@alunrundle162]

From the back first, though, meaning the rear bullet would explode as it hits the other bullets in the thin, metal, tube he's using.

[@nbartlett6538]

Gotta love the Chekhov's Smith & Wesson in the first act...

[@ronaldhartmann4309]

Shug Kosh!!,, "What you say!" pop pop pop !!! He's a true gangsta!

[@MrTickleTrunk]

I really miss these longer talks. Don't go over 2 episodes per Saturday. 🙏 It s so much better when you guys aren't exhausted lol

[@chrism7395]

If the missing floor subplot had been in an earlier episode they could've then had the War Room built in it but even JMS admits that this was not a great episode (He once said it normally takes him a week maximum to write an episode, with great episodes taking less time; Grey 17 took something like three weeks!). It's a shame because the stuff between Marcus and Neroon is pretty good

[@fakecubed]

Honestly I never hated this episode as much as everyone else did. It's not especially good, but it's nowhere near the worst episode of television ever created like some B5 fans like to pretend.

[@derekramsaroup3883]

Du-wayne is NOT a Nice Guy !...

[@derekramsaroup3883]

Some interesting observations about Franklin's journey here...

[@vikingbear6962]

I love that you guys are honest with your reactions. It often seems that other reaction shows always like the show they watch no matter what the quality of the show is. I don't always agree with you're reactions, but appreciate the honesty. I personally think this episode is as bad as TKO.

[@RKnights]

I think that's what makes us unique

[@MrTickleTrunk]

On top of the stuff you guys talked about, I hated the monster costume, or the guy inside it. All he did was walk toward or away from the camera, as slow as an old man, and move his hands like he's walking through cobwebs...

[@Unformed8]

Lol, copy pasted from IMDB: "J. Michael Straczynski is said to be willing to personally apologize to every fan for this episode, acknowledging it to be one of the poorest of the series."

[@unformedeight]

If Grey 17 was a underground network thingy it'd have made 50 times more sense Sadly almost nothing about Grey 17 makes sense and it will never be mentioned again But worry not, next episode is excellent To defend Franklins lil Adventure, he is deeply rooted to the thinga he is taught, this walkabuot is one of them Also Franklin is in no way selfish, his main motivation and reason he is a doctor is to help people

[@rafetizer]

While the suicide by space monster cult is pretty darn unique, this really would have been better without it. Minus the monster, everything up to the tranq dummy was fine. Then we get the underwhelming monster cult plot and it clunks. Could have used something else in place of it. Hell, even just a more regular cult could have been good, just drop the monster.

[@deedd4401]

if you find this forced... how about tko ? :) it's ok not to like absolutely everything ... seems like JMS wrote down the warriors at hearth and spirit well ... but when it came to physical ones, seemed to be a bit lacking :)

[@garfnob4832]

the only thing i have to say is you need to remember when the show was made. the public understanding of addiction was not as well informed then as it is now. yes, the show could have raised awareness, but that is not what TV did back then.

[@ScottRutter]

"Grey 17 Is Missing" 🎶 Why do you fight like you’re running out of time? 🎶 #Ham4B5

[@PurpleDrazi]

Awwwwww . . . you cut out one of my favorite lines, "We stand on the bridge, and no one may pass!" :D

[@ianstopher9111]

I have no quarrel with you, good sir knight, but I must cross this bridge.

[@Netherburn]

Second vorlon's name is never mentioned in the show. Can look it up but you may encounter spoilers.

[@commanderkruge]

But even the bad episode has some great stuff in it - Marcus and Neroon's part. :)

[@MAZE4]

It's not one of the best episodes of Babylon 5

[@timbanks8331]

It def is a sub par episode..

[@starclone4]

😂😂😂😂😂 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@gavin1506]

Your thoughts about Franklin... Patience. Garabaldi is pronounced "Gary-Bald-Dee"

[@gavin1506]

Also with Franklin, I can't remember but I think the Actor had some health issues at that time. He was the first of the cast to pass.

[@Shoomer1988]

They know. It's a long-running in-joke.

[@julienn8844]

No it's jerry bald dee

[@stevecollette6831]

Odd episode, one half moves the story along, the other half is a one-off bottle show. Lots of fun though. Yea, the bullet solution doesn't work in real life - just go with it! LOL You've seen Naroon before. He was mad that Delenn cremated their leader's body, and he showed up on the Grey council when it should have been a religious member. Love him as a periodic bad guy/foil. Remember, Franklin is going through withdrawal. Think of an opioid or heroin addict, it takes a while to flush out the drugs and then the body starts to waste as it is missing the drugs. Also, Franklin has been just the doctor, not much else up to now. What would happen if he actually got a personality? I've been waiting for the next couple episodes - you think that the War Without End episodes as amazing as they were, are just a set up for what is to come. Buckle up butter cup!

[@AllMuscle1]

Just a little author trivia, JMS was very ill during this portion of the script writing. He wrote 92 episodes of the 110 episodes of B5, a record that hasn't been broken by any screen writer to this day! He has often spoken about this episode as less than his favorite, but it was a fun setup to coming episodes.

[@charlesmaurer6214]

Stims are more like hyped up energy or coffee drinks. Like he said it takes longer to flush out and the recovery is not the same as other drugs with the physical side taking weeks. It is still an addiction (though normally milder than hard drugs or booze) but he is having headaches and being tired. Think of people that you want to avoid until they get a cup of coffee and amp it up 10 fold. It is a B plot that takes a while, give it some time.

[@jeromeshaw2248]

This episode is a decent episode. Ruined by a stupid monster. And sadly named after it. If the B story was the main story. It would be a great story

[@commanderkruge]

Congratulations - you have survived the worst B5 episode! :D

[@Jagaroth_]

The lull before the storm that is the climax of season three. Prepare yourselves.

[@aaronleffew9593]

You're making leaps about baby steps. That's all I can say

[@Rangera-ct1xu]

if no one can hear you scream in space. then why did he make so much noise?

[@this.is.a.username]

Dwayne the Kosh Johnson

[@dbell1016]

Thanks!

[@Rocket_Man232]

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[@timometsanoja9666]

Franklin was always a bit hit or miss. The one character that gave off the feeling that "they had do something like important" with him and never really figured out a good way doing it. And they picked out the best of the bad ideas and tried to make it work... Franklin is a cool cat though and he will eventually finish his walkabout and then we'll see what he gets up to.

[@tjtenser7828]

I would disagree - I think Franklin is one of the best characters in the show and one of the most human. He's certainly one of my favourites.

[@timometsanoja9666]

@@tjtenser7828 it just seems that pretty much all of Franklin's own storyboards are oddly separated from the rest of the show. Kind of out of place a lot of the time. Without any spoilers I won't go into further details here... They could have maybe focused on the underground railroad thing a little more and maybe do an episode on it for real to get Franklin a great episode, but it was only hinted that he was behind it.

[@robeson1070]

10/10 "Duane" discussion at the beginning, I wish I could like this video twice. Takin' it to the streets! That "Down Below" Life!

[@stevendubin3584]

the S&W model 15 that garibaldi carries is a double action revolver. Many of them were converted to be DA Only and had the full cock stop ground off and perhaps even much of the hammer spurs for concealed carry However in still shots you can see that the one that garibaldi had does in fact have the hammer present

[@jeromeshaw2248]

Got to be the craziest intro I’ve seen to an episode