Babylon 5 vs Earth Alliance

[@SonnyBubba]

With hundreds of channels on cable these days, you'd think ONE of them would see fit to rerun Babylon 5. It was a show ahead of its time.

[@Wombat1916]

I bought the complete Babylon 5 DVD set a while ago. I can watch whenever I like.

[@ogs_Boga1900]

@Tin Man ya the expense is there but its like cheap imitation of b5. B5 has much more nuanced themes

[@GBRyker61]

@@jgkight1 go90 got shut down.

[@jgkight1]

I know. Babylon 5 is currently on Amazon Prime video.

[@waldoman0]

Comet TV tonight at 9PM ET/PT after SG1

[@bigwitt187]

Delenn's speech to conclude the conflict is one of my favorite television moments ever. I remembered it word for word even years later.

[@pezdispencer113]

"Only one human captain has ever destroyed a Minbari cruiser before, he sits behind us. You are in front of us. Withdraw!"

[@raitchison]

@@pezdispencer113 If you value your lives be somewhere else.

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

Best sort of "fck off or die" speech ever.

[@JeffreyTappan-bb8rr]

​@@pezdispencer113" Withdraw, or be destroyed " !!!

[@JeffreyTappan-bb8rr]

It's the Minbari accent, or maybe the Croat accent, that gets to me.

[@JeroenDStout]

Babylon 5 is so good at making these fights feel like they are about people. Not just prop ships that go "bang", but its music and atmosphere reminds you of the horror and awe of these ships fighting.

[@rangodeldiablo]

True, but some of the factions names are the worst in sci fi history. I mean come on "earth alliance"

[@RandomAmerican3000]

What do you think they would come up with for a government that included all the nations of Earth? (There's also the small mater that a lot of the better names have already been trademarked.)

[@rangodeldiablo]

How about the Terrain National Coalition, or the Republic of Unified Nations

[@RandomAmerican3000]

I like the latter, only because all Earth warships would have R.U.N. sprawled across their bows

[@PaiSAMSEN]

@@rangodeldiablo Don't forget "Centauri *Republic* "

[@spoodie69]

"Bring us in closer to the enemy." "How close?" "Right down their throats!" ooOOooo goose bumps!!

[@powerghostsenior]

actors like him really bring over the power of the line's their saying. you get the feeling he really means it.

[@killjoy1887]

@@powerghostsenior missed opportunity for him to yell ramming speed again.

[@Eddie42023]

@@powerghostsenior Yes, yes, a thousand times, yes. BUT... WHO IS THAT ACTOR?!

[@perx3561]

@@Eddie42023 Bruce McGill. Fun fact, his casting was a mistake of sorts, as the writer/producer had wanted "that McGill guy" meaning Everett McGill likely because of his work in Dune (1984), but as it turned out, there were more than a few actors with the surname. And originally this role in the story was to be played by the other defector for Babylon 5's side, General William Hague, but that characters actor had been accidentally double booked for DS9 at the same time and had to be written off and replaced. Bruce did a stellar job for a one off character seen in only one episode IMHO.

[@SantomPh]

@@perx3561 and ironically the Admiral played by Robert Foxworth gets arrested (or removed) for treason in Star Trek.

[@ghfun1]

My favorite episode of Babylon 5 ! I remember when I 1st saw it I had to breath in the end to calm down I couldn't sleep later lol and watching it again it's still has that effect on me.. Amazing writing directing and acting one of the best episodes in SCFI!!

[@sergeontheloose]

This episode won the Nebula Award for a reason!

[@samkolkka7084]

Yes.. agreed. But the one thing that always bothered me was that the Roanoke got cut in half by the Churchill ramming it way before Sheridan asks them to surrender. He shoulda said Agrippa. That was the EA ship still alive at that point of the battle. The name Roanoke is clearly visible as it brakes apart. No point in asking them to surrender anymore. Also after Roanoke is in bits and pieces we see Ivanova's starfury ram into Agrippa after she ejects and the Alexander also fires on the side of Agrippa after that. And its when you clearly see its the Agrippa loosing control when Sheridan finally asks the Roanoke to surrender. Not a big mistake really. But if you have seen the episode several times it does seem like a careless mistake.

[@samwade6935]

that was a nice spot, I have seen this show multiple times and have not seen that error

[@IsaacBeImont]

I must say that Earth-Alliance politics are what kept me watching the show.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@samwade6935 Either someone just put the wrong name up on the graphics, or the script got changed up. I actually caught it the first time but was like, "nah, I must've just misread it"

[@LinnCZ]

This is one of the greatest scenes of B5 and one of my favourite as well... And when Delenn shows up in the end with Minbari cruisers, gosh, it's just perfect. Thanks for posting ;) Sorry for my poor English but I have to comment... :)

[@remeyrune6009]

great story, acting, CGI, does not get better than this, sadly most of the actors have since died

[@roguelead72]

StarFury Mk V's right up there with X-Wings and Colonial Vipers as the coolest fighters in science fiction.

[@vguyver2]

+Wedge Antilles There were some awesome ships in Wing Commander (games, not the movie) and the Colony Wars series too.

[@AlexSDU]

How about the F-302?

[@roguelead72]

***** Yeah that one's cool too.

[@dogearelife3183]

Wedge Antilles how bout the trident class from mass effect

[@roguelead72]

TBH I'm not that familiar with Mass Effect.

[@JimParshall]

Churchill R.I.P. To Stand Against the Dark...or Perish Thanks for uploading this :)

[@DarthShebs]

One of the greatest sci-fi battle scenes ever.

[@thunderboltcougar5626]

Damn i just realize, at 0:32, pulse barrages by alexander and churchil 's are intercepted by Agrippa in mid flight. That's one hell of accuracy.

[@greyeyed123]

Space battles that actually mean something to the story. What a concept.

[@zchen27]

Looks like the EA forgot how fast the Centauri battlecruiser went down when it confronted Babylon 5.

[@joesnow7216]

+zchen27 The Centauri battlecruiser went down because it was a flawed design. They didn't have docking bays for fighter escort. Without smaller ships to screen enemy fire, capital ships tend to go down quickly.

[@TheTrueAdept]

Actually in the B5 universe fighters (without anti-ship weapons) are at best useful in damaging vulnerable things like sensors and (if appropriately armed) lightly armored guns. A Centuari Primus (the Centauri capitalship that appeared in said episode) is HEAVILY armed but at the cost of intercept-capable pulse weapon capability which are used for pretty much ALL point defense work. In addition, these are Earth Alliance ships which have a well earned reputation in-verse as literal flying bricks of doom (and GUNS). After their first fortrays into space combat, Earth Alliance ships became essentially flying bricks with LOTS of guns. Part of this is the Interceptors which are guns that pretty much do what they are named: intercept anything NOT an energy beam or outright exotic (like most of the First Ones' toys which range from matter disruptors to weird bio-energy things to crazy advanced sensors) weapon. Add the 'really fucked up on reverse engineering' E-WEB (it was supposed to be a shield ala Star Trek) helping out on dampening the impact of charged particle (practically 95% of B5-verse's arsenal), kinetic (~1% of B5-verse's arsenal), and laser (~3% of B5-verse's arsenal) weaponry, Earth Alliance ships are bricks in terms of defense. Minbari (and other races in their age-range) use Neutron Laser cannons which have a nasty effect to INDUCE FISSION IN ANYTHING IT TOUCHES. Yeah, can't armor against something that does something as crazy as that. :P A Primus against an Omega? Money is on the Omega despite the Primus having a hybrid ion-gravic drive.

[@LH1980XX]

I don't know about that. The fighters thing. On the battle of the line Sheridan or was it Sinclair is flying a patrol and one of his wingmen tries to shoot out the bridge of a Sharlin cruiser.

[@acmenipponair]

And also the Earth Alliance ships, as they are more primitive than the other ships, seem to have be much more structurally stable with steel beams and so on than the other races ships, I mean, you couldn't make such manouevers like Centauri, Minbari or even Narn ships make with an Omega class ship. But being structural stronger then of course works out in duration time in a battle. You need to destroy much more physical material on an omega class cruiser, before it wents down, than on a Primus class ship.

[@weldonwin]

The Centauri Primis class Battlecruisers, were also well over a hundred years old, having once been the most feared ships outside of the Minbari fleet, but more than a century of wear and cumulative battle damage mean these ships were well past their prime. Add to that an unstable main reactor and the Primus is comparable to the British Navy's HMS Hood during WW2, in that she was the biggest, most powerful and most impressive ship in the fleet, but really wasn't suited to front line combat anymore. It's why the Centauri were favoring the smaller attack cruisers more and more as the backbone of their fleet.

[@Asher_Tye]

I see the first season and then I see this and I can't help but marvel at the improvement.

[@maliwan516]

Just sooo much oomf to those Omega pulse cannons, heavy gravelly and mean!

[@80sOutrunFan]

I remember seeing this on tv in the 90s, great series!

[@dragonsword7370]

They had a legit excuse for showing battle damage in the stations CIC... they literally had a downed starfury land on they're face. Most scifi don't do that, they may hand waved damage on the bridge.

[@PressA2Die]

It's been a few years since I have seen this show but I'm sure that was a Thunderbolt colliding with the bridge.

[@lcstark]

@PressA2Die It was a Thunderbolt Starfury. In contrast to an Aurora Starfury, like the one used by Ivanova in this video. A "Starfury" wasn't a single model of a fighter, it was more of a term for a series of fighters.

[@miafillene4396]

And it also was destroyed before impact. Buuuuut all the pieces of it left still hit. If the whole draft had smacked into B5, there would have been a MUCH bigger hole.

[@jaredrobinson7071]

"Don't make us do this." ------Sheridan.

[@burstcity3832]

Civil wars are the worst kind, normally one side will refuse to cooperate nad the other has to fight or surrender. This episode really showed the horror of fighting your own people because of idealogical differences or because truth is eroded....America, be alert, you are being misled and you need to check your logic and subconscious, many of you are mistaken.

[@ItsCoreyLynxxYall]

Those Omega cannons though.

[@raxsavvage]

fun fact... the beams are modified narn tech they sold us the weapons prior to the battle of the line and the omega class had entered service either then or immediately after.

[@Scott_Burton]

I would have liked the video to go a bit further. I remember the chills I felt after the message from Dellenn when it aired the first time.

[@felkeyfelkey837]

Delenn: This is Ambassador Delenn of the Minbari. Babylon 5 is under our protection. Withdraw! Or be destroyed. EA Captain: Negative. We have authority here. Do not force us to engage your ship. Delenn: Why not? Only one human captain has survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me, you are in front of me. If you value your lives be somewhere else. Gave me chills as well, still does every time I rewatch that episode. Honestly, it's a shame we never got to see omegas vs minbari cruisers. In this case, the earth ships were outnumbered and one of their ships was a Hyperion so they really had no choice but to leave. We see at proxima III how deadly the omegas can really be. Even though one of their ships straight up leaves and two don't even fight, they still inflict heavy damage on the b5 fleet including locking on to and destroying whitestars. Ships that not only gave minbari tech, but vorlon tech as well. I feel like the implication of that battle is that earth had come a long way since the battle of the line and were finally able to break the minbari stealth technology. I don't believe it's ever officially stated if the whitestars have stealth but I would assume they would and if anything, it would have been enhanced by the vorlons since even minbari fighters appear to have it during the battle of the line since the earth forces don't even fire on them. There's really no reason for the whitestars not to have it. I'd still give the minbari a big edge in maneuvering since they utilize artificial gravity instead of rotation but we saw during first contact that even old earth weapons could seriously damage a minbari ship when close enough, nevermind what they could do with the beam weapons. The problem was always the stealth. Without that, an earth-minbari engagement becomes incredibly bloody for both sides imo, especially if omega ships are in a defensive posture and can't be easily outflanked or if the warlock class and it's one shot particle beam cannons are available.

[@MichaelClark-uw7ex]

@@felkeyfelkey837 That and Ivanova's "death incarnate/avenging hand of god" speech truly gave me chills.

[@DantesonofSparda85]

@@felkeyfelkey837 I saw that clip and frankly...I think the Minbari should've exited their jump-points firing...make it look like Battle of the Line 2.0

[@ryank5424]

Can't imagine what it must feel like to have to fire on your own ppl. I had also never heard of the concept of illegal orders till this episode

[@AlexSDU]

Yup, some of those people that you knew went to the academy together or serve together in previous positions.

[@dallassukerkin6878]

I was thinking as I watched this that there is nothing more heartbreaking than a civil war :(.

[@ryancarroll3957]

it came from WWIi mostly. Rules of war. International Law says you can't fire on civilians on purpose OR hit civilians incidentally 'without proportionality or distinction ". If you are ordered to do that it's an illegal order.

[@RogbodgeVideo]

@@dallassukerkin6878 Heartbreaking, and difficult - not only are they all trying to stay alive, but they have to be careful not to fire on their own side by mistake!

[@burstcity3832]

The Americans got this bit right, "from all threats, foreign and domestic" There are many orders that have been refused over the years, The Brits are very good at allowing lower ranks to make field decisions and the Russian soldiers are extremely good, or have been, at not following bizarre orders.

[@FireLordJohn3191]

The music. Every time...

[@MrNintoku]

Poor Sheridan. Every time he offers aid to his enemies if they surrender their ships blow up right after.

[@Titaan359]

Thank you for positing this......amazing. This is a very plausible future for humanity. We have been butchering each other for thousands of years......we will be doing the same in a few hundred. Gotta respect the way Hiroshi went out.

[@lilbrothaaa]

Agreed. One more thing is the inherent aspect of every true soldier: if he can be convinced that his orders are aimed at defending his nation he will set the world on fire.

[@burstcity3832]

Same for civilians too, erode the truth and the ability to see it and even outragous statements are seen as something to be supported. I have to monitor how I see the world due to an illness, I'm finding myself more and more unsure if I'm in need of a little help or vast swathes of the populous are just in a massive echo chamber together. I'm less involved with society as a result.

[@mithrandiristari8960]

I've to say, Ivanova's helmet is pretty badass!

[@avetl]

In B5 all pilots and officers acting like true military adults, and not like pafos Star Wars teens in X-wings. Every battle is fear, adrenaline, and blood. And in this way B5 scenes are outstanding despite old CG.

[@sirtaelellevalerie1056]

to be fair, x-wings pilots are rebels, not real military.

[@tryomama]

@DEEPFOXJUDE if you train someone from child to only kill and be a soldier. Then that's what you get.

[@grayscribe1342]

@@sirtaelellevalerie1056 Too bad it's just Legends now, but many rebels, especially pilots deserted from the Empire because they saw or heard of one artocity too many.

[@sirtaelellevalerie1056]

@@grayscribe1342 true, and it's somewhat acknowledged even in new "canon". But Lyuk and many others was civilian pilots still. And even real soldiers not always act as "soldiers", especially when discipline aren't enforced.

[@crimsoncrusader4829]

The OT rebels were pretty professional

[@LazarusRemains]

Best episode in the show. The shit well-and-truely hits the fan - everything about the show changes.

[@jimorr820]

They never show the parts of this battle where the breaching pods invade B5 and Garabaldi leads the defence

[@MareSerenitis]

And all the Narns just run right past the carefully prepared positions just so they can jump on the first hostile gun they can find.

[@jimorr820]

👍😄

[@philb9015]

The Starfury (especially the Aurora variant ) is my favorite sci-fi star fighter of all time, they are also the most realistic depiction of how fighters would move and act in space. Being able to turn on a dime and keep moving backwards using its inertia. No advanced life support and the pilot standing up to counter heavy Gs when maneuvering...brilliant. Also, dogfights in B5 were chaotic and asymmetrical, using the full 3D of space and physics. This show was amazing at showing this, as apposed to the flying circus acts of the Star Wars movies ( still LOVE those X-wings and TIEs though :P ). Fun fact, the Starfury design is the recycled top part of the Terminator series's Skynet tank terminator shown in the future war scenes of the movies.

[@emperornortoni2871]

The internal logic of the Starfury is probably the best of any sci-fi show until the Expanse. And it just looked damned cool.

[@jonreese7066]

Didnt NASA buy the design for it?

[@Ein_Kunde_]

Fighters would not exist in space. And if so they would be unmanned drones.

[@CaptKJaneway]

A very powerful scene. And yes I have to agree. Thank you for not killing it will a soundtrack. You need the dialouge and the explosions to really feel the battle

[@Lucius_Chiaraviglio]

Fortunately, it already has a soundtrack.

[@eDDyL666]

this scene was not over

[@xenalover99]

this was one of the great battles in scifi series history.i really did not think the station was gonna make it thru.

[@Egobyte83]

Its definitely one of the most intense. The suspense is perfectly built up all the way until the shit finally hits the fan.

[@SeedlingNL]

The station DID get blown up.. twice... once in a vision that was prevented by some crazy person sending a ship full of nukes crashing into the Shadow homeworld, and once for real in the finale ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJ-xlJyio5ykrbs )

[@TheElephantsFoot]

The space combat scenes in the show are spectacular. When a ship gets hit its takes damage, somethimes terrible damage. Like when the Alexander flanked the Agrippa and cut it open from amidship to bow. Not like Star Trek where all shots bounce off the shielding, perhaps leaving a few blackened spots on the hull. The Omega class destroyer is a beast, in the episode where they attack Earth the Agamemnon loses most of its bow and is still capable of moving and fighting.

[@BlaneNostalgia]

The omega class destroyer was designed from the lessons learned from the disastrous Earth-Minbari war. The older models were too fragile and couldnt lock on the Minbari ships. The Omega class replaced the Nova class battleship and was bulkier, could absorb ridicilous amounts of damage and could lock on to Minbari ships.

[@pantherpopel551]

@@BlaneNostalgia i thought ONLY the shadow tech Omegas could lock on Minbary ships?

[@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773]

​@BlaneNetherlands the Omegas were more modernized but they were not as powerful as the Nova class. It was after the war that Earth Alliance made a breakthrough on countering Minbari's EM tech that all ships and installations were retrofitted with the new censor arrays. Partly that was because the Shadows were already helping people in power on Earth. The shadows just didn't realize that Humans at their core were chaotic neutral and a civil war would erupt splitting the light from the shadow...it weakened their end game of having Earth on their side for the upcoming shadow war.

[@SantomPh]

@@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 reinforcing censorship in space , damn those Omegas were good

[@HeadlessChickenTO]

Still by far the best CGI space combat.

[@marcmagnier]

You should watch the expanse then

[@burstcity3832]

@@marcmagnier The expanse was good, unfortunately the main characters were not as good and the story arc less impressive. I think the guy playing Amos was a superb choice but the others were fairly ordinary. In B5, there were only a few main characters that were not really up to scratch but the charm carried them. The battles were better in B5 and the battle feel and emotion were superior, it wasn't just a showcase of a few people being clever.

[@Cheburashka207]

RIP Hiroshi

[@Venture9900]

Sure miss watching this series

[@perfectsplit5515]

You REALLY missed it when you missed an episode. The newspaper TV listings gave the wrong timeslot for "Walkabout", and I ended up missing it on its initial broadcast. :( Back then you HAD to buy a TV Guide EVERY WEEK to make damn well sure you didn't miss an episode, due to the random way Warner Brothers Distribution kept changing the time slots. If you missed an episode of DS9 ... then you didn't really miss anything at all.

[@SUPERCORVETTE]

i wonder there hit at 1:06 the churchell in the next the showing the bridg of the alexander an we heare an damage report from this hit ?

[@Imaculata]

I don't understand all the rambling about bad CGI. These special effects were great for the time, and they still look pretty good today. For one I love how the fighters actually fly like you'd expect a spaceship to fly. Also they took artificial gravity into account, which is why some of the larger ships have rotating parts. There's a lot of attention to detail, and they never had any bull science like Star Trek usually does when explaining something technical.

[@Gorandius1256]

@Hask79 Yeah, besides, the original sound track is amazing.

[@Stubbee]

@Bandarias Hiroshi was Capt of Churchill the guy (Maj. ?) was acting capt of alexander there is a continuity error showing a EA fighter hitting the churchill but the bridge of the Alexander was shaking from the hit

[@SantomPh]

battle is going on all over, all ships are getting hit

[@BrandonDeriveAncestorEmpire]

I am shocked the SciFi channel does not reair any episodes of Babylon 5

[@sasquatchycowboy5585]

I love B5s space battles. But I wish they had chosen to show more of them in a more realistic way. The high point to me was the fight between the Narn and the Shadows. It really showed the distances involved, and gave a sense of scale. This one has to many camera cuts, and too much emphasis on showing all combatants in the same shot.

[@SantomPh]

This video is also heavily edited to omit the ground invasion, so it seems like too much at one time. With Girabaldi's scenes we get to catch our breath

[@GaldirEonai]

This battle basically takes place at knife-fight range. B5 is right on top of the jumpgate, astronomically speaking, so any fight between something coming in from the gate and the station _has_ to be a messy close-range brawl.

[@ghfun1]

After this fight Clark days were numbered the battle on Babylon 5 basically said the good guys will win! It took year and half but Sheridan beat Clark. Others just waited

[@perfectsplit5515]

"We cleared the way for you, John. All the way to Earth. No surprises." [Waiting to die on that bed in MedLab]

[@SantomPh]

Sheridan counted on the Resistance led by people like Hague to gather ships and hold out as he fought the Shadows, the more pressing battle. When he got back to the Earth fight he had all of the non-aligned League with him and the White Stars, then they joined up with the Agamemnon and the other ships.

[@donder91]

@georgeowain cut out ;). The episode was to long or costed to much space on the video or something like that.

[@marktisdale8058]

I always wondered why the first group did not wait for the soon to arrive second group before making the attempt on B5.

[@InfernosReaper]

They probably thought they had things under control. Hell, they probably figured those renegade ships weren't going to be there and willing to fight.

[@watcherzero5256]

Overconfidence and a bit of Stalinism, the older more experienced commanders were being replaced with young inexperienced regime loyalists.

[@marktisdale8058]

@@watcherzero5256 That makes perfect sense within the framework of the story. Thank you!

[@ShadowSonic2]

They did mention what happened to the wreckage left behind by the Earthforce ships? Salvage them for parts or whatever?

[@turtlelover5988]

Probably

[@SantomPh]

Likely salvage (Sheridan actually gets new fighters and pilots from the Churchill). B5 is a busy port, cannot have debris everywhere

[@acmenipponair]

well, they got the fighters, because the fighters were in space at the time the Churchill was destroyed. I guess, they took out the victims from all ships, and put them into the coffins they send out one episode later. Or they have put the victims from the other side into freezers to send them to earth when the conflict is over. The ships. perhabs they pushed them into hyperspace and just let them drive into the abyss there.

[@leexgx]

They norm launch them into the sun from the observation deck

[@philb9015]

Of all the large capital warships in sci-fi, the omega class destroyers would be the one I would like to command. Brutal fire power, large star fury compliment and an unsettling Gothic look make it very intimadating. Those partical cannons are lethal.

[@feliperisseto9113]

I like how humans are not that advanced in this show. Their space ships look heavy, pitoresc in contrast with the more smooth and High-tech alien vessels. The difference between the races Power level is a nice touch of realism.

[@PsychedeliKompot]

But the show also very nicely balances that out a bit with weapons technology; Humans basically went "well we might not be able to design proper artificial gravity and nice shapes, but we can build hella firepower", and as a result the Earth ships are among the most heavily armed on the show, having far more firepower than the Narn or Centauri ships, and potentially even the Minbari ships. After all we find out at one point in the show that the main way the Minbari won their battles was that they weren't detectable on radar. So locking onto them was impossible during the Earth-Minbari war. When we actually see Minbari ships in action on the show, they have considerably fewer pulse weapons than Earth ships, and their firepower is comparable. Of course they are technologically superior in every other aspect though, especially when it comes to defensive capabilities (material shielding), propulsion, and artificial gravity.

[@TarHeelBrit]

No doubt the best Sci-Fi show ever, and one of the best episodes in the series. It's a regular in the DVD player. Anyone else notice either a script or CGI animation error? At 2:25 the critically damaged Churchill rams the Roanoke forward of its mid section. In the resulting explosion you can see the ships Name "Roanoke". Yet further in the battle 3:02 Sheridan calls on the Roanoke to surrender. He should have called on the Agrippa to surrender. Still doesn't detract form a series which was great on so many levels. I'm surprised no station hasn't re run it.

[@InfernosReaper]

With modern technology, that could be fixed, too. Hell, all the graphics could be updated and it'd look amazing.

[@SantomPh]

I think the Roanoke was heavily damaged from the ram but not destroyed, wheras the Agrippa is lasered right down its middle and probably destroyed right there. Major Ryan saw the Churchill ram the Roanoake and probably disable it so he went for the other capital ship, firing right at its most vulnerable spot and likely killed everyone on the bridge (where they were almost hit in the beginning of the episode). Omegas are dastardly weapons, one hit on the Clarkstown and it popped like fresh corn. The Roanoake meanwhile with its fighters elsewhere and all of its interceptors down is vulnerable to B5's fire, so it is hit with everything and promptly explodes. Sheridan offers the Roanoke assistance because it is still moving, the Agrippa is probably dead in space with no contact.

[@naviamiga]

An absolute classic. I'd love a remastered version of all the CGI scenes.

[@funkervogt47]

Being a Starfury pilot has got to be a bitch. Probably hard to get through a battle without puking from vertigo. Kind of hard to get through without being blown up, too.

[@roguelead72]

funkervogt47 I'm betting some kind of inertial dampening system like pretty much every other sci-fi franchise.

[@LDZMarder]

Wedge Antilles If you have 0G in side your fighter you have to spin very fast before even reaching 1G. Not to mention that today pilots can take sustained 9G with new anti G cloths aka "giraffe" in future there will be even more possible.

[@Fr0st1989]

+funkervogt47 it also wouldn't work in real life - lasers would swat them down pretty much as soon as they launched

[@Gnomleif]

+Wedge Antilles No such thing on Earthforce fighters. Only the Minbari, the Centauri (to a certain degree) and the First Ones, like the Vorlon, Shadows and the Walkers of Sigma 957, had gravimetric control devices and thus inertial dampening systems. Of course, the Interstellar Alliance changed that. The Minbari shared some of their technology with the other races, and ships like the Warlock-class advanced destroyer had artificial gravity and inertial dampening systems, among other things.

[@larnregis]

+funkervogt47 The Starfury design was actually approved by real scientists and astronauts, because a) the cockpit is in the center. Thus the pilot experiences only minimal lateral forces when turning as he is in the center of all 3 rotation axis b) the X shaped engines provide excellent maneuverability c) the cockpit provides maximum forward view, thus an excellent way for the pilot to navigate by sight IIRC even some NASA scientists approved the design and consider it to be a possible future space ship design.

[@davideyres955]

B5 was originally shot so it could go wide screen rather than in 4:3 as was the standard at the time. They shot the action in the area of the 4:3 but had additional scope in the space at the sides, but they lost the original footage. A shame but it’s still one of the best sci fi shows ever.

[@TheLunacyofOurTimes]

The human civil war is one of the most impressive arcs in TV history. Nobody wins, nobody is happy. Everything is tragedy when brother fights brother.

[@Decrepit_biker]

Great scene but I always wonder what the 2 Hyperion ships are doing after the first shot?

[@AlexSDU]

They were playing as defence, perhaps?

[@SantomPh]

they have to hang back as Omegas can destroy them in one hit, as proven in the episode. They were also cover fire for the breaching pods.

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

The part where the Thunderbolt spins out of control and crashes into the station is epic

[@jasonsylvander3089]

Those interceptor shots that ship fired were spot on, must have decent computers to lock on that fast

[@acmenipponair]

Why shouldn't they have them? They are able to calculate valid hyperspace jumps, why shouldn't they be able to intercept? This are 1.5 km big ships and a 10 km long space station, I believe they have the space for a capable computer in there ;)

[@walter0bz]

@Brianboro67 "Stop that Narn chatter and head on 2-3-0!!" "repeat please!"

[@AlexSDU]

LOL. I get that reference.

[@arlenes.4590]

Enjoy this on my dvd set all the time.

[@Stubbee]

@jutau several errors in that scene. 1.They had Sheridan say the wrong name. 2.They show Churchill getting blasted by a Star Fury but cut to the bridge of the Alexander for the shaking and damage from the attack. The Roanoke gets rammed by the Churchill and both are destroyed. The Agrippa gets broadsided by Alexander and double teamed by B5 and is destroyed. Where are the Hyperion class vessels????

[@Gruumsh4]

@AlphanPeter I most wholeheartedly agree. Especially, in my opinion, with the Narns defending at the very site that is being boarded when Garibaldi was looking for defenses and they wouldn't have that.

[@mikecimerian6913]

The battle inside the station is dramatic. While I am against a reboot I think that the Dilgar war would make a fine prequel.

[@_Teorias_]

Would prefer the Drakh conflict myself.

[@otiscarter1356]

Some of the best science fiction ever made....best scene ever made....especially the Earth Marine boarding party.

[@wickedcircle]

One of the best Scenes in the entire babylon 5 series and one of my favorites.

[@ScreamingTc]

Well actually it might be a good on the basis that closing in would mean that less energy is dissipated into the vacuum of space when the beam weapons are fired. Ergo, more damage is done at shorter ranges, and the defence grids are less able to absorb the energy being projected.

[@Thyinternet]

Imagine the debris field surrounding Epsilon 3 by the end of the fifth season I’ve always wondered who goes out there and cleans all that up. Draal’s like … c’mon guys this is my backyard

[@Bladestar7]

@dkerris Here Here. It wasnt just the special effectsa dn groundbreaking CGI, but great story plots and character development. you gave a damm about the characters. I dont think we knew how good we had it.

[@d3p3ch3mod3]

Christopher Franke really made alot of this show. Some people watched it just for the music. I liked the idea of bringing in Chen for Crusade, but getting rid of Franke was a terrible terrible idea in retrospect and that probably killed B5

[@josephmaton4982]

and I can't find the scene with the security and narns vs earth marines

[@AlexSDU]

I think the uploader focus on space battle only.

[@christopherwilson7092]

If anyone knows how to can some plz mod the game stellaris for the EA ships

[@Jodie842]

@harleykman "today's computers are about 1200 times faster than the original Amigas " Amigas were only uses for the first season; they switched to PCs in season 2. Anyway even though todays machines render faster, it still takes a LOT of work and time to create FX shots. I work in the film industry and most of the time is spent in post adding FX. Even if you had the assets, you'd have to recompose all the original scenes, battle sounds..everything. Not gonna happen.

[@spontaneoussam2]

anyone know where i can get a model of one of those omega-class ships?

[@rconway6622]

wow....as many times as I've watched this, I've never considered that. Good observation.

[@georgeowain]

What happened to the Hyperion Cruisers that accompanied the Omega ships in the first wave?

[@Debbiebabe69]

Blown to pieces offscreen by the Churchill.

[@chopper2429]

Why cut out the boarding party fight?

[@donder91]

at 1:06 you can see a fighter attack the Churchill. But when you see bridge view, your suddenly on the Alexander. Small mistake I guess :p.

[@jutau]

I'm confused on the ships that are in the battle. Churchill and Alexander, versus Agrippa, Roanoke, and the one Churchill collides into?? But then Sheridan messages the Roanoke when its Agrippa that is shown to blow up.

[@miafillene4396]

Interesting. One of the Omegas on the side of B5, didn't have the rotating section.

[@ethenallen1388]

Probably an editing mistake. This was a weekly TV series so they didn't have a lot of time to check for these things.

[@shauntbarry]

Best Sci-fi show of all time.. I loved this episode

[@dkerris]

@Deke101 Hell, hon I'm 43 and still think this show should be required viewing. It really shows politics, fear-mongering, and general idiocy in authority run amok. Things we all should be vigilant of, and stand against.

[@pizzedahff3127]

Ten years later...what a ride it's been, eh?

[@DiegoSouto-fy9su]

What's the episode number for Sheridan's rebellion against Earth? Thank you.

[@ralphie84]

is it me or was this recorded in a helium filled room? everyone's voice is just higher pitched

[@Satyros2009]

This is why if a ship is being hit by a missile/torpedo the damage (that will cause vibrations on the metal hull = production of sound) will travel throughout the hull and atmosphere of the ship as the sound of an explosion but not through the vacuum of space. It will be heard by the crew but but not by the aforementioned floating astronaut. And scenes where the viewer hears and sees the external (space) actions are far better dramatically than most scenes where is no sound

[@ryancute22]

1:18 right down their throats - now thats a war talk!

[@Jodie842]

@harleykman "Actually they used the original models." I don't know where you heard that. I have the DVD and in the special features they specifically say that they had to use fan-made models because the originals were lost. "used that backup to create Legend of the Rangers" I don't remember seeing ANY original B5 models in Rangers. Well maybe the Raider but that was very, very simple.

[@deskpot1]

I went and bought the box set of B5..............must have watched them all abou 6 times.

[@dimaleoniv7987]

- Susan, I know you may not be the best pilot, but you have to lead our fighters. - Sir, I'm the second-in-command on the station. What if I die there? - You won't. The scriptwriter won't let you.

[@JimmyDaKoik]

@RougeHawksClanRewind Uh.....you do realize that Babylon 5 was the first television series to use ALL CGI FX right? You realize that THEY were the pioneers of this right? As such, I can cut them some slack. You realize that several techniques, such as the zoom and focus shot, so over used on nuBSG dogfights, was pioneered on B5 right? That B5 was the first series to use correct spatial physics right? You realize that B5 pioneered the long form show that had a begining, middle and end right?

[@Khan1670]

A fantastic scene, but there's actually errors in the scene. The Agrippa is the last ship destroyed but Sheridan calls it the Roanoke, but the Roanoke was the ship that the Churchill rammed. Also the smaller EF destroyer ships just mysteriously disappear without a trace.

[@thomasunknown3455]

They must of been shot at by the fighters or the station or incintegrayed by the omegas guarding babylon 5

[@Debbiebabe69]

The Hyperions were destroyed offscreen by the Churchill. Sheridan calling Agrippa 'Roanoke' is a communication error between scriptwriters and CGI departments.

[@GillikMisused]

@TheKemTV They were destroyed offscreen. Thats why the two loyal nova ships were not as heavily damaged compared to the Alexander and the Churchill.

[@turokxbox]

Season 3 dvd extras say that this episode was very rushed to get it ready for airing on tv hence the mistakes. Fantastic episode even with the silly mistakes.

[@mikeandhisdogs]

THAT....was pretty damned impressive.

[@kentallard8852]

this would have been a perfect time to see the starfuries launching from the Omegas rotating segment, or the broadside of nuclear missiles

[@ScreamingTc]

@Deke101 You sir are now my official hero for that response.

[@Jodie842]

@harleykman Except ALL of the models and textures were wiped in one enormous fuck up. When they did Lost Tales, they had to use fan-made models (which is why everything looks so weird). No company is going to rebuild all that stuff, re-animate and re-render dozens of hours of footage with nothing to go on except the original footage.

[@TookyG]

The Hyperions fly in but are never seen firing or being destroyed. My biggest complaint about this battle.

[@stevenpilling5318]

It illustrates the heartbreak of civil war, when men who have trained and served together as brothers find themselves enemies due to their political masters. One can't help but think of the War Between the States or Vichy France versus Free French forces during World War II. I keep thinking of the Texan captain who boarded a Union warship during the Battle of Galveston, only to find his son dying on its deck. He relinquished command to stay with the lad in his last moments. None blamed him.

[@grayscribe1342]

As the captain of the Alexander said earlier in that episode 'we know the people we kill' after he was forced to destroy a Hyperion and stating the name of the captain of that ship as well as that captain's wife, kids and even the cat.

[@blagger56]

Agreed there, it would be like re-writing Tolstoy's War and Peace, and adding in a few images to bring it into the dumbed down 21st century. B5 is a classic piece of fiction, it was exceptionally well written and acted, and had exceptional SFX for the time. To do ANYTHING to this would only tarnish something that stands out, and shines bright among among the "stars" of space fiction. NUFF SAID.

[@lkvideos7181]

Loved this show

[@perfectsplit5515]

Greatest sci-fi show of all time. Even though ST: TNG had a greater cultural impact, B5 was more groundbreaking and revolutionary.

[@MrKantaru]

I love Babylon 5! ^^ Thanks for Upload! :D