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[@onilink0thefur]

"No, this is not a solid turd, a solid turd has integrity" Fucking gold right there

[@velraven8944]

That was actually quote worthy, I AM going to use that, so many props to him that was hilarious

[@ThrilexzApostlez]

🤣

[@dthanhnguyen-op4kf]

That one quote is enough to crush Turtle Rock studio like elephant foot to a cookie

[@xronoamber9660]

You know, there is something wonderful about the fact that without uttering a word, the creator of the video managed to convey the fullness of the difference between these two games. Sometimes the difference is too obvious✨👀

[@brok56]

This videos creator just said 'observe'

[@RimshotKiller]

His style of doing it is fantastic. I watched his video on Cyberpunk after I de-installed it, it was incredible.

[@mhm5020]

@@RimshotKiller If you haven't played Cyberpunk since it's absolutely terrible launch, I recommend considering giving it a second try now that quite some time has passed and a lot of patches and updates have been made. I just tried the game for the first time a few weeks ago and I had a very enjoyable experience. I also only experienced 2 - 3 bugs and none of them were game breaking in my opinion. It seems like most of the bugs present at launch have been fixed already.

[@RimshotKiller]

@@mhm5020 I thought about it, but I just don't feel like it. Apart form it running absolutely horrible on my system, I also found the way the story was told in the first few hours to be kind of bad. I'm sure that I'll play it someday, and I'm happy that they have fixed a lot of things, though. Glad it's running well for you! :)

[@mhm5020]

@@RimshotKiller Thank you and I hope you do get a chance to play it in the future. Maybe by the time you get an upgraded system, it'll be even better and filled with even more content. Honestly, it does seem like CDPR are owning up to their mistakes and are trying their best to fix the game. Who knows? We might even see it make a comeback like No Man's Sky did.

[@TheGentleCreepers]

It's funny how 7 people from turtle rock games claims that they made Left 4 Dead, when in reality it's more than a hundred people from Valve (including them) that had worked on it.

[@alface935]

Yeah

[@alface935]

@@seukuka816 Now Wait a Minute They WHAT

[@tiringsarcasm]

@@seukuka816 You’ve got to be kidding…

[@Hammered4u]

@@tiringsarcasm Nope, can confirm it was JUST Valve

[@naoaquieopatrickpatrick8565]

@@tiringsarcasm I mean, wasn't if obvious that Valve made the second game alone? if you put any other Valve game and compare it with l4d2, you can clearly see why only Valve made the 2nd one: L4D2 feels different than L4D, one tried to represent horror movies as close as possible, making almost all campaigns night-based to deep the horror experience and make most locations city based to convey the sense of an generic apocalypse, and made sure to portray the characters as realistic as possible and with very few comedic/chessy lines (aka Turtle Rock's concept) the other one tried to make the game as replayable as possible, by focusing more on gameplay features, more variety for the campaigns and less horror experience, with a big increase of personality for the survivors, giving them more comedic lines and less serious tones, and while maintaining the horror feel of its counterpart, it wasn't nearly as serious and felt more lighthearted and hopeful than the other game. (aka Valve's own design). If you compare both games you can see a drastic turn in terms of concept, so I don't really understand how people can't not see how "Valvey" the second game is in comparison to the first one. They always cared more about replayability than atmosphere for their game, nothing wrong with that since L4D2 is better than 1 in every possible way except atmosphere.

[@Knightlight-kw9sh]

Kit really understands the problem with B4B and I respect him for that

[@blastermaster5039]

I actually liked how she reacted with the gore. I means its definitely appropriate for anyone to react negatively through such excessive violence for those who saw it the first time. Which actually reminds me of my Mom when she watches violent stuff happening in movies.

[@Floridamangaming729]

The lady offers a different perspective because she doesn't see what's wrong at first sometimes. And thats the problem with the industry. Most games are trying to appeal to the "casual" gamer. The kind of person who plays the most normie games ever. You wouldn't catch that kinda person playing something like Nier and understanding the genius of it. They would be like "this game's stupid." And continue playing the latest call of duty or something. The game's industry isn't trying to sell there games to the people who actually play them. Mainly because there games are shit. There trying to sell them to people who are naïve to what makes a game worth there time and money.

[@BananaRama1312]

@@Floridamangaming729 yea she litterally embodies everythign i hate about those fkin casual normies that ruined games

[@buoyancydabl]

Actually, not really. The real problem of B4B is it stands as a game, from the developers of Left 4 Dead, when in reality its 6 or 7 people there, including founders. This is why those both games got criticized in the first place, because devs of B4B says theyre creators of L4D, when in reality they incapable of making such good games as L4D without Valve.

[@osjjsm4364]

Kit: this looks so bad, Kira: terrifying

[@dragodx8238]

I think what best describes the presentation of this video is "A sports car the same as a commercial car". It's described by the devs as a love letter, but ended up looking like a 1st grade speech on why strawberries are better than grapes. The older version was better because there was more care put into every aspect of it that made the experience better. Also despite saying they got people from L4D on production, it was like 3 to 4 people so...

[@joshuaorejenes3671]

I counted 7 peole. 7 people from Turtle Rock helped. 7, just 7.

[@dragodx8238]

@@joshuaorejenes3671 rounded down is 5 anyways

[@GhoostTheManic-wf4it]

This might be off topic but when you said love letter of a game, I instantly got flashbacks to War of the Monster's Maybe it's cuz the devs actually put care and effort into it, and actually made it into what it is. A dramatic and fun experience as Love-Letter to classical monster movies.

[@Karanthaneos]

This video actually made me play L4D2 again, I've been enjoying it a lot more now that I'm able to appreciate all the details and work that was put into it. What an amazing and brilliant game.

[@Indurok]

Funny, watching the original video made me want to play the game too. I already installed it.

[@Chernould_]

I love the slight PTSD when you even WATCH a video of a light being shined on a witch lol, definitely a L4D player right there

[@ardantop132na6]

Don't forget the bloody choir that sounds like you're about to die horribly

[@illomens2766]

The funniest thing about this video is the fact that Kira didn't get the point at all lol

[@danielrepository7383]

she's not a gamer

[@WTF-Viper]

That’s the beauty of the duo tho. They get to learn things for each other. And also it broadens the demographic of people clicking like on the vid 🤷‍♂️

[@DodoJacket]

Yeah she was looking at B4B and saying oh thats nicer. Showing B4B did a horrible job.

[@4oho361]

Lmao she was lost

[@chikin6146]

There's the fact that Back4Blood kinda marketed this as "From the creators of Left4Dead" and saying "It's Left4Dead but bigger" which ended up being bigger but less polished in comparison. Valve did polished the game and thought about the player experience while playing the game while Turtlerock studios just "made a game" and thought that adding more content is enough to meet L4D's player experience. You can see and listen from the commentary that Valve wanted you to be immersed with the environment, infected (zombies), and character.

[@aldyzero6676]

Back4Blood is indeed bigger than Left4Dead. Back4Blood is just big dissapointment.

[@BiOS_F2]

18:30 Kira: wow! Kit: no, that is Back 4 Blood. helping Kira stay on track lol

[@MrKolny]

Kit: Thoughtful commentary on how the games differ from eachother Kira: "Terrifying. Terrifying. Terrifying. Terrifying. Terrifying. Terrifying. Terrifying. Terrifying. Terrifying. Terrifying. Terrifying."

[@AVGyerra22]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that she probably finds certain things in the game terrifying.

[@ROBOHOLIC1]

Crowbcat's videos never fail to make a hit. Damn

[@waterbottle5332]

Shows how game companies have this factory mindset of pushing out unfinished games, or oversell for a game that looks like a terrible mobile game

[@AndragonLea]

It's amazing how many little details they managed to put into L4D2 that you never truly realize are there until you play Back 4 Blood and notice their absence. It's also quite amazing how people with a background of working on L4D2 somehow managed to drop the soap so many times. They had a winning formula already in front of them, made (at least partially) by their own hands and then they just decided to cut most of it. To be fair, I'm sure the mo-cap, the many wound patterns, the realistic shadows and other details cost a lot of time and money to make, but if you're making a spiritual successor to a game you kind of have to bite the bullet and do it. You can't make a spiritual successor that's worse in many ways and expect the people you attract (based on the fact that they loved the original, which means they're bound to notice the lack) to just shrug. Not gonna lie, watching the video was a bit sad. Felt like a carbon copy of L4D2 after someone took a knife to it and carved off many of the choicer bits, selling the leftovers for a premium and expecting praise. The last 30 or so seconds really rammed his point home, too. That four or five people that worked on the game would split off from Valve and kind of claim L4D2 for their own when they made up what, 5 %?, of the developer team is really a little bit audacious and doesn't feel that good when you see all the interviews of those enthusiastic Valve devs that worked on much of the core concept and realization of the game. Loved that bit of editing magic, removing "creators of *the critically acclaimed Left 4 Dead 2*" and replacing it with *Evolve*.

[@angryyoutuber8013]

Honestly, back for blood feels like the work of an algebra student who only wrote down the answers without showing any of the work, where Left 4 Dead had everything they did down step by step and it really shows with the presentations and interviews conducted.

[@glitchydoll]

Honestly, that’s giving it too much credit. It’s an Algebra Student who copied some of the answers down, didn’t do any of the work, and also didn’t get many of the answers down either. A total flop.

[@Mortal2064]

You two somehow didn't notice the part at the end that shows how only a handful of people from the massive team behind left 4 dead were actually working on back 4 blood, invalidating the common advertising quote "from the creators of left 4 dead."

[@aldyzero6676]

When a 2009 game is 10x better than a 2021 game. Edit: even my potato pc can play L4D2 smooth with the help of some mods, and 10/10 would play L4D2 again when i get better pc. B4B? No thanks, not interested on a cash grab game.

[@jakkrit6910]

Yea you can buy l4d like 10 copy for 1 b4b

[@aldyzero6676]

@@jakkrit6910 and better, buy 10 copies of L4D2 and play together with friends

[@AnotherCrazyClown]

Take a shot everytime Kira says "Terrifying"

[@Sleepy_Cattt]

3 minutes in and I'm in the hospital what

[@vamperjr1376]

rip

[@indralesmana4822]

That Kit's PTSD tho. And the way he said NO !!!. True L4D player moment there.

[@ArtekGeneral]

L4D2 is one of the best video games ever made, period. Especially within the coop genre. I still occasionally play it for my late night gaming sessions. Nothing insane, just casually beating an advanced campaign with some randoms (hopefully not the min-max speedrunners who ruin all the immersion). It holds up amazingly even to this day. And there's always workshop to fix it up to modern standards - a higher res model here, a new set of animations there, improved skybox this, enhanced lighting that and suddenly it's like this game didn't came out in 2009. Crowbat's video highlights one thing about game design: it's the little details that make the game truly special and alive. What does the ability to move or break some chairs around adds to the gameplay? Nothing, nada. And yet you feel the difference when you play a game that has physics VS a game that has none. Spoilers: the one with flying chairs is like 50% more fun. They didn't had to give us this hyper detailed gore system, didn't had to give us interactive environment or physics, didn't had to give us fluid hybrid animations. All of that is just flavour visuals. And yet it makes all the difference for a video game. Bare minimum: nobody will ever say that the game is worse because you made it so zombies tilt a little when sprinting sideways. But everybody will point out when a direct competitor does not. In fact i'd like to hang a little on the fluid animations. That's the one thing that truly sets L4D from other games of the genre, including KF2, GTFO and others. The fluid animations not only look cool but they're fun to shoot it. You know what's not fun to shoot at? A monster that instantly snaps in 90 degree angles trying to get around an obstacle. Not only it breaks immersion, but it makes him that much more frustrating of a target because his position changes too suddenly to keep up. L4D zombies are smooth in their movements - and that smoothness makes it easier to anticipate and aim at them, making the overall experience so much better.

[@ceu160193]

Interactive/dynamic environment adds a lot to gameplay, actually. It started in Half-Life 2, where player could protect themselves from bullets by holding sheet of metal in front of them, or throw heavy objects at enemies to kill them(or paint them, if you throw can of paint). With enemies also being able to use physics against you, such as zombies pushing objects/throwing headcrabs at you, elite soldier energy ball pushing you back and possibly into fatal fall, etc. It adds new meaning to "use environment to your advantage" tip, as instead of simply memorising good spots, you have to adapt on the move and be mindful not just of enemies, but also of any useful/dangerous objects nearby.

[@ArtekGeneral]

@@ceu160193 Well, that comes into play in a first person shooter like half-life yes, especially since that game is all about utilizing its' physics engine to its best capability. But in L4D there is next to no meaningful interaction between environment and either survivors or zombies. Zombies just rush straight through or break things that stop them if their AI can't come up with a better plan, for players its usually just a small obstacle that can stop them from running and escaping although i hardly remember any case where that mattered enough to start shooting some table in your way. Boomer's explosion doesn't turn the chairs into projectiles or anything (thank god) - it's pure visual flavour, yet i'm so grateful they added that.

[@ceu160193]

@@ArtekGeneral Minus Tank punching a car in your face, or walls being breakable in certain spots. Objects being breakable or movable means, that you can not have your back to them and consider yourself safe.

[@anthonywoertz8762]

Youre probably not gonna see this two years later but Imma saybt anyway Who the hell speed runs with randoms ?

[@somebody7185]

Kira: This game is violent! Kit: Yeah!

[@RabbyBabu]

The way kit instinctively screamed when the flashlight was on the witch, he's seen some shit XD

[@Satsuketotoro]

Seriously who invited Kira? She has NO idea what's happening and her only response to everything is "terrifying."

[@ROBOHOLIC1]

Your two different views on the game footage shows the duality of man. Lol

[@ThePeteriarchy]

It's always in the care and attention to detail that can define if a game can age like wine and constantly have new people wanting to play alongside all the folks who still do nearly two decades on over something that's gonna stagnate shortly after launch.

[@TrickyJebus]

kira is too focused on it being gory and scary losing the point of the video itself. I think this video only fits with Kit's perspective tbh. he should've been the only one to react to this noticing how Kira is too squeamish.

[@doleboi5969]

This entire video Kira looks confused, Kit looks like he’s reading from a script and bored as hell.

[@DxAxxxTyriel]

What a great video and great reaction. I am so glad I played L4D and L4D2, and watching this video (this is the 2nd time I am watching it, saw it the first time recently somewhere else), I realized that all these things that L4D/2 did, I didn't notice or pay attention to these small details even though it made my experience better. I honestly thought that what L4D did is the same as what other games do, but now that it's pointed out to me by Crowbat, I just realize what a golden gem Valve made. I'm glad to have been part of it. Truly, Back 4 Blood was made by the guys who made Evolve.

[@ceu160193]

Those details are what keeps whole immersion intact. Because zombies move and look realistic and physics work almost as real world, you almost never reminded by game, that all of it isn't real.

[@MrQuickshot117]

Yeah, I'm going to say this, for starters, yet again Kira and Kit make another awesome video even better, and secondly, I really want them to react to an abridged show, the problem is, first, which one and secondly, would they be able to keep themselves form laughing every couple of seconds? For this I am recommending, Hellsing Ultimate abridged, or SAO Abridged, either one will lead to hilarious moments

[@l.q.a.6279]

I know I'm a bit late from the bandwagon but let me expand a little bit on 15:00. In L4D2 and possibly L4D, bullets penetrate materials. It penetrates zombies and walls alike. This is extremely massive for me at least, since I can shoot a rifle through a brick wall and expect whoever behind that brick wall is gonna - if not dropped immediately - then at least wounded. Doors are not just breakable, they're thin enough for survivors to spray an Uzi through it and hit whatever is behind that door. That clip of B4B's M16A2 failing to penetrate a _board of wood_ almost kills my hope for buying B4B. And then let's compound it with the audio. For example, Bill is walking into Mercy Hospital. Then suddenly the Boomer's piano jingle plays. Bill knows there's a Boomer had just spawned and is tracking him, but he does not have a visual. Another gaggle of Boomerism and Bill narrows down where it is. It's not in front of him, that much is clear, but it's definitely not behind him, but rather behind an ambulance near the hospital entrance. Taking a wild gander, Bill then aims his AK at the ambulance and lets out a quick burst. The bullets penetrate through the ambulance, hit the Boomer and it blows up, Bill doesn't get spewed on and he continues to walk into the saferoom. In B4B, there is no distinct audio. You can hear, at least, stumps of special ridden behind the wall, but apparently your bullets can't penetrate the saferoom door (which it does in L4D2), so the cleaners take a wild gander and get exposed to about three crushers who was just playing cards behind a sedan and now is returning to discount Charger'd them with little to no audio cues.

[@thanatos8757]

i feel like she relly dosnt understand anything abaut gaming

[@aldyzero6676]

Because she's not a gamer

[@hubdweller9969]

Kira can't tell the difference between the two games--as she's proven previously she's not good with video games in the past, jesus why do you guys keep making her react to video game stuff--and Kit either doesn't realize that she doesn't, or he does but is really bad at explaining to her what's actually going on because something in his head doesn't seem to get that she's video-game-illiterate.

[@breakerboy365]

maybe the differences aren't as important to someone as they might be to you? doesn't make her opinion of it any less valid

[@4oho361]

@@breakerboy365no she’s just literally missing the point it has nothing to do with preference the ideas in this video are not being conveyed to a non gamer well enough for her to understand

[@breakerboy365]

@@4oho361 She doesn't play video games so her argument is invalid?

[@4oho361]

@@breakerboy365 so you think she understood what was being portrayed in the video and her "opinion" on the game was anything other than surface level analysis such as blood in video game is scary and gross?

[@breakerboy365]

@@4oho361 So you understood that Crowbcat portrayed an in-depth and honest portrayal of the game that outsiders looking in get the whole picture? Her opinion not agreeing with yours doesn't make it invalid either. Irony levels increasing.

[@blastermaster5039]

8:06 This is always the moment that make me tense up and I am glad to see them tensing up and pointing out how scary a horde moment truly is.

[@Archphoenix1]

its amazing how he could list all valve games except the 2 biggest ones, Dota and csgo and Ricochet! There is not one or 2 others we can ignore

[@lewa3910]

Now you definitely need to play l4d/l4d2 onscreen

[@WolfVidya]

3 individual shoutouts from Kit? called a hero (which he never does btw)? man I'm blushing here. It is a testament to how noticeable the differences are, than even when Kira has played neither of the games she can still know something's off just by the guidance of the developer commentary and Kit. Great reactions and commentary. Thank you for getting my suggestion done!

[@SillyBilly533]

ah yes, crowbat my favorite youtuber

[@ceu160193]

Wait, B4B has no shadows on enemies/allies?

[@Anonymouthful]

The way the gore works in L4D never stops being impressive.

[@xXYannuschXx]

You know whats funny? Back when Turtle Rock split off from Valve, there were rumors that they did it because they wanted to monetize L4D and Valve wanted nothing to do with that idea. Seeing how Evolve and now B4B turned out, I guess that rumor was true. Shallow games that somehow are less technically impressive than a 14(!) year old game, while pushing micro transactions...

[@wilsonpercivalhiggsbury5900]

Wait, you're telling me that if I join the server I can be called a hero by the man himself!? Sign me up!

[@idrissalam1012]

just remember guys this is 2008 game we talk about and still make us happy to play it

[@chanchanmanagainsttheworld4586]

Left 4 dead will not die. Its a master piece 🔥

[@oohsnap5941]

Imao She don't get the video at all. She think it's the same game she's watching. Can't even tell the different, and then the point of the video makes no sense to her.

[@anthonywoertz8762]

I mean to be fair if you're not a gamer everything seems the same Like say if I saw makeup id think its all the same or wont care

[@trickybear632]

Oh hell yeah crowbat

[@VivoCubino]

Kit's face describes all situation about B4B

[@NotAViper]

I didn't know John Wick had a reaction channel

[@joaosantos5503]

They really should explain to the ones reacting what the videos are about before they start watching them. I can see why Kira was totally confused. Hell, I'd be too if I didn't know the context.

[@JayHog1992]

When I went to the original video, people were claiming that we should had been lucky that we were spoiled back then when games had care. I disagree, if devs just actually gave a fuck to do the BARE MINIMUM of a game to make it able to sell, maybe lots of companies wouldn't be trash talked to death.

[@dthanhnguyen-op4kf]

These non-gamer reactor right there have more sense than most of IGN "journalist"

[@bbb56nagisa80]

Did the lady really understand what the video was trying to convey? Horrifying.

[@TheGentleCreepers]

Please let Kit and Kira react on left 4 dead 1 and 2 cinematics and trailers!!!! :D

[@mota478]

5:15 Kit Sums up the whole back 4 blood game

[@svampen7782]

"Fuck you thats just a smiley face" Both funny but sums up B4B in contrast to L4D

[@krakixel]

The thing with TRS and B4B is that they did not learn ONE SINGLE THING off the fiasco that was EVOLVE. NOTHING was learned. Not only that but everyone back then blamed Take2 for Evolve's failure and now with B4B, we can see that the failure of the game came from TurtleRock Studios.

[@mannco9458]

I’m mad that they didn’t make the zombies in back 4 blood move more like puppets as their body is being controlled but the worms if they did that and made some good death animation they could have saved some of the gameplay

[@yari4046]

b4b vs l4d is the perfect example of how you can have pretty graphics but still miss out on all the visual details that make the other game special

[@NonsensicalSpudz]

the zombies in back 4 blood just don't have that level of energy or detail like valve would put in, they're just kinda boring

[@TheGentleCreepers]

Eyyy Hi Kit, Hi Kira!!! Love your reactions!!!! :)

[@BusinessWolf1]

I think it would've improved her viewinh experience if you explained what the differences were more often

[@ruslankopytov]

Awesome video! I love that!!! ❤️😊

[@GAMEZONE20]

I feel like that woman is forcefully trying to enjoy even though she does not seem like understanding anything happening here but every now and then she is likely as I must to laugh or disgusted. I don't know but I feel like she is not enjoying none of this. XD I like the dude it genuinely enjoying what he sees.

[@C.A._Old]

Yeah Only Created Terror Strike.

[@C.A._Old]

Turtle Rock Studio is No Mores. Sinces After 2010 Left to Behind Valve. They did Mistakes.

[@EvoSwatch]

You guys certainly need to react to some E3 from Crowbcat, Jameskii, Pyrocynical to name a few.

[@catguy23]

It pains me how scummy B4B's advertising was. They were 100% conscious that the game was ass and it had no right being compared to Left 4 Dead. But we've been waiting for L4D3 for a decade, and they knew how big the hype would be if they flailed their arms to the sky and yelled they were going to make the spiritual successor to L4D. They KNEW that the game was so bad it wasn't going to last in the long term. That's why they littered it with DLCs before the playerbase died out.

[@bas919]

If you can impress (primarily) non-gamers with your game, you know you did something great. I don't think Kira understands the point of the Crowbcat video, though.

[@williamthehammer1]

Please react to "All Tomorrows: the future of humanity?" by Alt Shift X

[@taytay6969]

Kira is so sarcastic, damn

[@Mute_221]

wait a min. I didn't know there was a chicago reacts discord server

[@Daniel-Rain-YT]

Back 4 Blood is horrible

[@Baboso1]

Should’ve explained to her what the point of the video was. I dont think she got it

[@robbanks7483]

Kira seems so clueless here, you should've put there someone who understands games and how they should work and look, seeing her say "terrifying" when looking at janky ass b4b animations made me cringe

[@ademiravdic]

not really sure why she is here lol

[@arsenicintheshell9955]

Back 4 blood, more like... back 4 money lol

[@FloarMin]

yay the legends are back

[@anthonywoertz8762]

Know whats sad aside from the maker of the video not needing to speak once and let the games speak for themselves ? Back 4 Blood wouldn’t have fumbled so bad if they didn’t market it as Left 4 Dead but better and just did their own thing

[@davidmartinez2407]

Lmao they do not seem like the people to watch therussianbadger

[@user-il1md5sc9q]

Pls dady kit do a reaction to ceno0's Pootis engage and the sequel pootis engage extreme

[@bbefb045]

I liked the game but it taking place in PA, and left 4 dead did as well was a little weird

[@davidmartinez2407]

Honestly I knew back for blood was gonna be bad the moment I played the beta

[@holymosey2556]

I know you guys do reactions, but I hope you guys play games together. such as left 4 dead 2!

[@djdomain]

With popular games like Minecraft and PUBG, shortly after there are several clone games, essentially rushed rip-offs trying to piggyback on the wave of popularity the original created. Back 4 Blood feels like such a game, but is even more pathetic because the original is over a decade old, and the people behind it were part of the original, so they should have known about the amount of polish needed to achieve the immersion of the original. B4B's developers seem like the "wouldn't this be cool?" type of people, thinking that adding more stuff (weapon/enemy types, more levels, larger maps, etc) makes a game better, wheras Valve are more "Does this new thing work with the current system? How can we make it flow more naturally and be immersive?"

[@colagamers2649]

So if u add new things, u need to check if it works, great to know.

[@jasonpalmer5218]

Pretty annoying when the girl doesnt understand the concept of this video at all and just says terrifying or wow the whole time.

[@rinslittlesheepling1652]

I like ESCalation video on B4B more than Crowbat.

[@jonathanortiz6579]

Need for speed a history by noodle please

[@DrewDyrewood]

React to battle 360 please!

[@GasBandit]

Back 4 Blood was just so disappointing and slapdash, even if you don't take into account all the polish and depth of Left 4 Dead.

[@Glitchmouse2]

Kira doesn’t know how to react

[@breakerboy365]

Unpopular opinion, but I think crowbcat is pretty biased in this particular video. I understand things like MOCAP death animations, a more physics-based/versatile engine like Source, and generally less buggy game are some of the things that make the L4D games really special. But focusing on things like knocking down a zombie in riot gear is better than _not_ knocking down a zombie in riot gear? (They do get knocked down if they're hit by surprise) This is extremely nitpicky and sort of dishonest. Crowbcat portraying AI pathing issues in B4B sort of implies that's not an issue with L4D when there _are_ L4D pathing issues and many more within its first few months of release. Crowbcat ignored B4B having _functioning_ hitboxes, door destruction (that he also criticized The Division for _downgrading_ destructible environment, so why wouldn't he include that in this comparison video? Probably for the sake of saying "B4B bad L4D good"). B4B zombies knock _into each other_ when shoved, making shoving a much more useful mechanic overall. B4B has diversified the game loop a bit more substantially rewarding curious players with collectable items such as copper, throwables, weapon attachments, tools, and meds. Corruption cards (things that make the level harder like more hazards/bosses) help the player buy the things they need to face up to those challenges. This was a huge issue for me when I was creating the L4D2 campaign "Black Mesa", it was difficult to make the experience very different per playthrough as you could only reward the player with the same type of meds and weapons before they've already attained their preferred setup. The card system that was entirely overlooked in this video really helps with the replay value of the game and helps the player see the game from very different perspectives from being the special/boss killer to being the horde tank or even the money horder, or the healer. Kira is the perfect reaction of a far less biased opinion. She's not looking to look down on one game or the other. She sees two horror shooters. Granted, one a lot more rushed than the other. If she actually played both games, it may be the case that she would prefer L4D but at face value the things presented in this video don't exactly prove one feature is better than other. They're simply different. Though, I can understand people being more bitter about their differences when one is $1 to $20 while the other is $60. Make no mistake B4B has its fair share of problems such as AI teammates not being able to sit still for 5 seconds, some networking synchronization issues making it look like some special infected attacks come at light speed, joining a game without the ability to take a break (or even keep your weapons in the map you joined in for the next level). Not having mods was a big mistake, TRS doesn't need to provide any tools, the community has the power to do that themselves (look at the state of Super Mario 64 modding). If neither Kira nor Kit knew of L4D or B4B, what would their opinions on the games be if they saw the "B4B is better than L4D" equivalent of this video?: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jouseI2qhJhnfpI

[@gavinsmith7908]

Agree. New games have problems that need to be ironed out. Left for dead has had 10 years of updates. Also only showed negatives of b4b while only showed positives of l4d. Both are good games

[@Nikotheleepic]

unironically, cope more shill, b4b is so soulless, collectables are useful as skinners box treats for the rats, just as the pseudo depth of the card system. Just as you claimed he had overstated problems with b4b and understated problems with lfd, the comparison you are creating that at launch, the issues were even comparable, is laughable. I doubt you've played left for dead when it was released, I did, unlike games made by "unity developers" today, game devs had to actually understand how to program and thus would generally put much more effort into their design, instead of having a game that is unfinished for years after release. Nice multiplayer mode though, instead of the entire campaign its limited to a tiny area, how amazing. all of the benefits you listed in fact are sort of souless standards of the modern mobile game dev, little pellets in order to lead the player along.

[@Lylamariam]

Bruh the quality of the video shows that's not from the 2008 lol.