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[@kiskaloo6843]

I went to school in the 60s and 70s and it was well run, we knew our times tables from 2 to 12 from recitation, we behaved ourselves and it was a lovely experience. My daughter went to the same school in 2000 and I went in for a parent's invitation visit. It was bedlam, hardly any of the kids were sitting still, they had zero discipline, there were some there who wanted to learn and were doing their best, including my daughter, until I saw her being told to go help another pupil on the computer as if she were a teacher's aide, hardly helpful for her own work. the teacher wasn't even allowed to raise her voice to the 'little darlings' for fear of one of these brats going home and complaining to Mummy and Daddy. I wouldn't want to be a teacher today, they are nothing more than glorified parents to kids whose own parents are without a clue as to how to take care of kids.

[@peterg463]

Well said. As for today's teachers. Those who can't do, teach. Sorry but with so few Male teachers and poor lefty teaching colleges, our children are going to have little to look forward to.

[@inregionecaecorum]

You say "we knew" but unfortunately not every child could learn that easily, I was one who just couldn't learn my tables, and am terrible at mental arithmetic. I can however do other things without the need to make calculation, I see how it goes together, how much material I will need to make it, etc, etc.

[@why5482]

Not everyone has to wear the dunce cap in order to prove that one size doesn't fit all

[@colourinmyrainbow]

@@peterg463Gender discrimination is unnecessary as is discrimination against teaching institutions and lefties! as you call them. How about a positive contribution?

[@GingerGacha5]

U said “we knew” well I didn’t and most for everyone Bc they had to lower our high grade to 32% Bc I had to go to summer school and got lots of 50s and not everyone learns that easy or they have to lear in a different way or there’s ppl that are distracting them but the point is that nobody can learn that easy and also our teacher doesn’t give us homework maybe that’s another reason.

[@skizzysmith1146]

I started kindergarten at age 4, back in early 50's . I can't remember much, except standing in the corner when I was naughty. (a lot). Then infant school in North London, not bad, played in cricket team, broke some windows. (they should have had a bigger ground). liked science and chemistry, made some bombs , blew up a desk. (lovely sound). History master was short sighted, had several pairs of glasses. Me and best friend Sam found out how to remove lenses from the frames. Oh, yes, one pair ended up with close up one side, mid distance the other. Another pair had far distance one side and close up the other. last pair had mid distance one side and far distance the other. The results were very funny ! We did lots more pranks, but these will remain secret for ever! I did enjoy my schooldays !

[@Lava1964]

I've been a private tutor for 20 years in Canada. I see every day how badly the expectations have declined for students. Most students cannot do the most basic arithmetic without a calculator. Spelling and grammar are atrocious. Knowledge of geography and history are pathetic. The gadgetry in schools has certainly improved over the years, but the quality of the students has not.

[@mbanana23456]

Which grade are you teaching?

[@Lava1964]

+mbanana23456 I have students from Grade 5 all the way through high school.

[@jerrymores5261]

+Lava1964 And that was from Canada? USA sure but Canada? What area did you live in?

[@Lava1964]

+Jerry Mores I live and tutor in a city in southern Ontario.

[@matrimcauthon7937]

No, the quality of the teaching has declined.

[@FishOnTwoWheels]

I have to say that probably the weakest sign of modern schools is the lack of good numeracy and literacy when they leave school. Most kids now will be raised on computers, which is all very well, but many of them, without their spell checkers or calculators on hand, are unable to think, calculate and communicate properly for themselves. Just very sad I feel :(

[@Offshoreorganbuilder]

FishOnTwoWheels I employ teenagers, as a weekend and holiday job, and I have noticed that, in past few years, not only can they not spell or multiply, but some of them can hardly write! (These are normally intelligent, late teenagers.) Clearly, something is seriously wrong, especially when you consider the vast amounts of money thrown at 'education.' How many comments on You Tube are written, clearly, and with correct punctuation, for example? (And before anyone starts griping about 'grammar police' or whatever, remember that correct punctuation is there to help the reader understand what you are trying to communicate. Not using it is like grunting or mumbling. It's an insult to the reader!)

[@jerrymores5261]

+Offshoreorganbuilder "not only can they not spell or multiply, but some of them can hardly write!" Are you sure they're normally intelligent? "How many comments on You Tube are written, clearly, and with correct punctuation". Correction, how many comments on the internet are written, clearly, and with correct punctuation?

[@Offshoreorganbuilder]

Jerry Mores I've only just noticed your post, and I decided to take up your challenge. The answer is 375, of course. It took me less than 10 seconds, though I didn't time myself. (82/6 = 41/3. 41/3 x 24 obviously = 8 x 41 (as 24 will divide by 3 to give an answer of 8) which any fool can see = 328. Adding 47 to this = 375.) I always considered myself poor at maths, but this example was too easy. Now, using a calculator would have been quicker, I agree, but the point is surely that, if I *had* no calculator, I could still work this out with no trouble. That facility is what so many lack, today.

[@Offshoreorganbuilder]

Jerry Mores Yes they are. Perhaps I should have been clearer. The people I refer to have a normal intelligence (i.e. they are no less intelligent than anyone else.) What they lack is not intelligence, it is *education.* None of them could do what I am doing now - i.e. to express myself in writing, straight from the brain to the keyboard, using enough correct grammar to make the thoughts intelligible. They have not the vocabulary (because they were never made to *read*) nor do they have the fluency with grammar, because it was never taught to them. They are the products of computers in the bedroom, the time-wasting 'X-box' and the like, the constant 'texting' with its inane text-speak and so on. In life, they are at a severe disadvantage. They start, mentally crippled. And these are young men who are, as I stated, of normal intelligence. None of this is their fault, The schools, and those who decide what is to be taught, are to blame.

[@sunman8139]

Maybe you work in a poorer part of the US? I hardly see that here.

[@alexkar97]

I just hope schools of the future don't replace hand-writing with typing. Unfortunately, some countries are already planning to do so, which is very sad, in my opinion.

[@zacharygustafson8714]

Why not? It's where the world is going-denying it is futile.

[@alexkar97]

Zachary Gustafson It has been proven that learning to hand-write activates parts of the brain that stay shut during typing, something very important, especially for children. Moreover, I've observed that I learn things better when I write them down myself instead of typing them on the computer. And the world doesn't necessarily have to go there. Technology can and should stay out of some areas in life.

[@ariellovesbroadway]

istheseattaken Is it bad that I want Quills to write with and parchment, maybe I've been reading to much harry potter lately, but I love the historical way of education!

[@jerrymores5261]

+istheseattaken Does it matter? How about kids that have very bad hand writing? Or damaged hands? It's for the best. I been hand writing notes and I didn't remember a thing, but the computer it is. I don't know where you get when hand writing activates the parts of the brain but it must be very old source. Get over that technology is with us and don't get stuck in the past please. Thank you.

[@omoghosty5777]

@@alexkar97 For me I think typing let's my imagination run wild

[@dreamieramune]

My school is doing a field trip where we’re basically going back to the 1800-1900s, we get extra credit if we dress up like they did.

[@shaylawatson1244]

Sort of like the survivng Victorian era viedos??

[@PRABhat967]

well its much better these days in India. My parents were caned. Once during parents teacher meet in our school, my dad asked the teacher to cane me if i don't oblige. she looked shell shocked, but politely said NO. Thanks to my teachers our generation is more innovative and out of box thinking than the previous one. Yay

[@jennil7797]

I agree. I was of the generation that was caned and humiliated for the least little thing. I remember once putting my hand up and saying, 'I think...' and was bawled at to stand in the corner because I was there to learn not to think. When poor Richard Todd threw up across the desk next to mine, we were both caned, him for vomitting and me for not telling Mr W that Richard was about to be sick. Well, I'd tried and hed tried to hold back the vomit. When I got home with swollen hands, my father thrashed me again for getting into trouble at school and bothering the teacher - no questions asked about why. I lost respect for my father and my teachers that day. I didn't become badly behaved but I no longer trusted adults and became withdrawn. I have always accorded the same respect to my pupils as I felt Mr W should have given to me. I have never had any problems over classroom discipline. If your pupils feel you are fair, they will be keen to learn and respectful. If you beat them you are just reinforcing the idea that others will decide all events in their future lives and beat them if they don't do as they are told. That is how the class system has been kept alive in Britain for so long. You are born to be doinated by a certain group of elites. Do the cane lovers really want that for their own children/grandchildren -or do they see it as just for the children of others?

[@lindabrown7374]

For the most part, schools now a days are more concerned about test scores. There is little about learning "life skills", such as cooking, sewing, shop, etc. I went to a garage sale recently and the teenage girl there had no idea how to make change for a five dollar bill! A lot of the girls dress like hookers - shorts that are way too short and tops too far down. There is no respect. When I went to school (in part of the sixties into the early seventies) we had 30 to 40 kids in a class and we learned. Now if there are 20 kids in a class, it's too much for 1 teacher. In the small town where I live, they have anywhere from 10 to 15 kids in a class, with 1 teacher and a teacher's aid. A few years ago the school wanted a tax increase. They said if they didn't get it, there would be no more art and no more music. Well, they got their tax increase and gave out raises. Nothing was said about giving staff raises. Yes there are some very good and caring teachers out there, but there are some that don't care. I've seen it with my own eyes.

[@suem6004]

I think educational systems are so different that it is hard to compare yester year. I do remember after school having to cook the family meal for 7 from scratch while mom was still at work. The kids who lived on farms had chores before and after school. A bit of work is not child abuse. It was just the way things were. You did your chores and you got Saturday afternoon roller skating with friends or got to see the brand new film called Star wars movie. Lol

[@karenblackadder1183]

The reason kids began to get 6 weeks summer holiday was to help on the farms gathering crops and haymaking. Should be mandatory that they spend 2 weeks helping out on a local farm.

[@leenmattar3983]

Exactly. When society was more social.

[@sodapoplove95]

1:53 If my teacher looked like that I may have paid better attention in school :))

[@nickryan6787]

Idk why but the description for older school culture sounds very fun and outgoing even though the punishments was worse and discipline was stricter

[@shaylawatson1244]

No like seriously

[@trevorjones3273]

Try Mossbourne Academy in Hackney borough or Michaela Community School in Wembley Park. Both use highly traditional, zero tolerance discipline methods and get countless A* grades from tough inner city kids who go to good universities. Tradition based on respect for teachers, immediate consequences for infractions of discipline and very knowledgeable children.

[@Veena1537]

0:29 this had to be one of the worst thing of old school

[@eggmancorp]

_THEN:_ Unruly children got caned _NOW:_ Unruly children are medicated Nothing's changed.

[@yujinson40]

I was born in 1981. And guys, it’s a wild ride because I’m a foreigner. The floors were wooden and I had to study 24/7, due to the fact that Korea has a high education rate, and that a war occurred in the 50’s.

[@EmmaJo-e]

I heard my grandparents(god bless their souls)say their parents not ones to spare the rod,homelife and school very stern,also my granny's stern to their dying day📙

[@carolyntainter3036]

Beacuse I was born with a disability (Cerebral Palsy), I had to go to school for "handicapped" children. I was not allowed in public schools, this was in the state of Massachusetts ! Everything changed when I moved to CA in 1975, public school for me was a culture shock !

[@debraleesparks]

I've lived in California my entire life, 60 years. Our schools always had special classes for handicapped children. In first grade, they put me in one, because I didn't understand a lot, and didn't talk very often.. I cried everyday, until they put me back in my old class with my friends...the funny thing is, we had Mexican kids, Asian kids, and every race, except black kids..they had there own school.... THAT is very strange for a state who is supposed to be advanced...

[@smb_09]

Ive read a book about a girl with cerebral palsy and you might relate to how she feels, the book is called "i have no secrets" by Penny Joelson, if you'd like to read it, its also available on ebook

[@MikeDownes]

Quite incredible footage of schools Now and Then from British Pathé ..

[@ChadLaFarge]

My mother, in early grades, went to a one-room school building where all grade-school students learned together. From kindergarten through,,, 6th[?] grade, same teacher, same time. A part of the experience was that the older students were to help the younger students with their studies. I think we've lost a lot from days when kids of a great age range worked, and learned, together.

[@chrizzoloph]

It depends until today on the Country. For example, here in Peru, were I'm actually working at Schools, Teachers still hitting there Pupils (some with a metal ruler), children have to work after school, and most of the teachers also, because they don't earn many money.

[@secrettangerine]

By the time I finished 8th grade there were no longer any teachers qualified to teach the next math courses my class required. The curriculum we finished in the 8th grade was the highest level math the high school could teach.

[@jennil7797]

Children only go to school for 9 years? In the UK children start in the September after their 5th birthday at the latest and, until recently, had to stay in full time education until at least 16 - that makes it 11 years. From now on, children in England and Wales must stay until they are 18 - a pointless thing for those who are either struggling, or creating havoc already. But it helps government to leave we teachers baby-sitting in order to keep unemployment figures down! What can you expect when politicians talk rubbish such as telling the electorate that they plan to ensure at least 75% of children gain average or above result in SATs - a clear indication that they don't understand the meaning of the word average. Do I look back on my 50s/60s education with pleasure or pain? Some of each. One thing I did learn from some of my dull, droning teachers was how NOT to teach. I went into the profession because I knew I could do a better job at inspiring children than they did.

[@sodapoplove95]

Did England and Wales add another grade or just bump up the age requirement? In the US students go to school for 13 years (Kindergarten when they turn 5 and then grades 1-12) and most kids are usually 17 during their final year or barely turned 18. The kids here in the US are still dumb as rocks though, no matter how much schooling is enforced. It's all about discipline. You can have 9 or 13 years of schooling. But without discipline you really learn nothing(that's the problem with kids in the western industrialized world, no discipline).

[@jennil7797]

Sorry! I missed your comment above, back in December. Our kids start 'reception class' the equivalent of kindergarten, at age 4. Like kindergarten, parents can decide not to send their kids to reception and they would start Year 1 in the September after their 5th birthday. Then they stay in primary school until the July after their 11th birthday, at the end of Year 6. From Year 7, starting 1st september after their 11th birthday, they have stayed in high school until the end of Year 11 until the kids in high school from this year, who must stay until the end of Year 13, in the June after their 18th birthday. Public exams are taken in Year 11 (General Certificates in Education) and Year 13 (Advanced Level) which is stupid as, staying in school to take A Levels was a matter of proving intellect and study skills,ready for degree courses or more demanding posts in the workplace, but if everybody is going to take them, they will have to be dumbed down to make sure the lower ability kids can take them? This is just assorted governments working to keep the youth unemployment numbers low and will give teaching staff a headache, keeping unwilling students in order for even longer. So, except for the few who skip reception class, they will now be in compulsory education for a minimum of 14 years. If A level exams are lowered in standard, then will it lead to degree courses lowered in content so even the dunbest can get a degree? Seems to me, we are heading to everybody having endless certificates and no usable skills.

[@dogsareme100]

Jenni L In the states mandatory education can range depending on the state from 5 to eighteen or high school graduation whichever comes first. The start of mandatory education ranges from 5 to 8 and the conclusion of mandatory education can be anywhere for 16 to 18 or high school graduation ( whichever comes first) It all depends on your state.

[@mbanana23456]

Nine years is a bit off, in America we go to 13 years at the very least

[@alphabet_soup123]

I think they're talking about how kids used to go to school for a minimum nine years. My grandma left school at age 13. These days you have to stay longer.

[@spiralinguniverse8159]

Don't expect or rely for parents to decipline when they are acting that way means they suck already at deciplining.

[@yorkemar]

I refused to take pocket money and worked a bit after school, as I knew my parents did not have much money...ended up with my brother and sister having the employable jobs ..teacher and aneathtist..and me being an often un employed architect..but what can you do.

[@mk_annan22]

The fact that Teachers required second hand jobs surprised me. But I understood what you meant when Teaching was considered military type. In Bangladesh, our teaching standards are yet to be improved, although the year now is 2015. Education is still backward here.....

[@debraleesparks]

I remember watching all those duck and cover films !!!!

[@JulieWallis1963]

You must be American.

[@jtwa]

@@JulieWallis1963 SAFE

[@7ajhubbell]

Thank you.

[@Zvantastika]

I think the most remarkable difference is the "power" invested in the teacher. Back then the teachers would be a sign of authority where pupils and parents alike would respect them because they know best (academically speaking). But nowdays teachers are seen more like a nuisance, just because parents are paying a school fee they think they have all the right to step over teachers and tell them they are wrong (either in what they are teaching or when they call out their child for being a problem) and hence making the problems we have today, teens not properly prepared to be part of a work force, youngsters believing they are untouchable because "daddy" will step up for them, etc, etc. Oh well, we can always use more shoe shiners and McDonalds employees for the ones who actually want to study and be something in life.

[@SevenDeMagnus]

Cool era.

[@professormikeymikey5206]

In my years the only things that competed with my academic timetable was teen magazines, today, social media, KZbin, Netflix,... Life is hard for our children

[@egonolsen3510]

Der British Pathe ist für mich ein lehrreiches Medium 👍🏻

[@stephenguppy7882]

I was caned twice, as well as being humiliated several times in class, for being rubbish at maths. Oh, no hope of any help, the teacher, if you can call him that, was very much of the 'Let's make Guppy feel like an idiot and we'll all have a good laugh at his expense, then afterwards I'll aim a blackboard duster (with a wooden handle) at his head". The day I threw it back at him and broke his nose was the day it stopped. For everyone.

[@knutenniopelagalli3817]

my parents tells me that teachers were much smarter back in the days, and that school is not strict enough anymore. even though i have some doubts about it

[@lenorkhide2873]

Show travel then and now. Trains, Planes, Automobiles, and Space

[@cannonballdaze]

The "Now" is almost as old as the "Then" !!

[@DodiTov]

No son, it isn't. Those different films were 30 years apart.

[@cannonballdaze]

Dodi Tov OK, to put it another way - the now is not now ;-)

[@Isleofskye]

@@DodiTov Even your comment is "now" 8 years old:)

[@ChrisCrossClash]

9 years on and now the "now" is as old as the then 😂

[@leonoliber6201]

In my childhood, there were still ca. 40-50 persons in one class. And there was no problem with discipline. The cane was, of course, already abolished. ;-)

[@Ben-xe8ps]

What country was this then?

[@shopdog831]

how many students have ever seen an a slide rule or E6B LET ALONE how to use them. how many know how to read a regular clock. how many know how to use a FILE [yes i kids doing that wrong].

[@2Mysterios]

went to school in the 60s and 70s and it was well run, we knew our times tables from 2 to 12 from recitation, we behaved ourselves and it was a lovely experience. My daughter went to the same school in 2000 and I went in for a parent's invitation visit. It was bedlam, hardly any of the kids were sitting still, they had zero discipline, there were some there who wanted to learn and were doing their best, including my daughter, until I saw her being told to go help another pupil on the computer as if she were a teacher's aide, hardly helpful for her own work. the teacher wasn't even allowed to raise her voice to the 'little darlings' for fear of one of these brats going home and complaining to Mummy and Daddy. I wouldn't want to be a teacher today

[@Page.Moazzn]

I got sent here from my homework by my teacher 😂

[@jimyoung2188]

I don't know about the teenagers not being able to spell, talk coherently etc. Some of the dresses on the girls are that short you can nearly see the welcome mat!! I got the cane a lot and it did'nt do me any harm but certainly made me take more interest in the class work, so now i am no longer classed as an idiot.

[@florgraciosi2301]

omg i belive this video is the most interesting thing i’ve ever seen

[@Tuqtgref]

0:28😱

[@karp6130]

Schooling that was sexist, elitist, and had no understanding of neuro-diversity condemned thousands of talented children to second class education.

[@shirleysumner2420]

hated school bad memories

[@imatyourhousebutyoudontkno9655]

☆What you know?☆ Then: cooking, handling a gun, killing chickens, various games Now: depression

[@jafabian37]

The Germans imported their method of education which was specialized on producing thousands of Hessian soldiers from a young age.

[@YeOldeGabe]

Wait.. What were they doing with this Enfields... Or whatever that was.

[@YeOldeGabe]

So CCF is or was basically just an Military for Teenager's around the age of 13 - 14 up to 18?

[@lindanelson1153]

I am old if u ask my grandchild I don't think u should hit children at any time but nowadays it would not do any harm if u tell them in a loud voice to stop what they r doing if the disruption is causing problems never underestimate a child they r cleaver than you

[@michaelrussell7943]

Yep, not enough discipline in School, bring back the paddle, cane and Strap..Corporal punishment, You bet.

[@Mod-rw9cw]

Who remembers playing buzz ?

[@jean-paul7251]

I think school have lost their way....education was much better in the past.

[@jadedoyle9820]

I don't want to do school again I'm still in school

[@ytgamerplaysroblox9659]

nanay mo patay

[@nimsocutt]

Where is Indy?

[@ChrisCrossClash]

You show footage from the 1970s and 80s as now? bit weird.

[@mookyzook]

you can tell this is an eight year old video. I'm pretty sure teachers nowadays would probably need a second job just to survive.

[@MrDrgdf]

Back to School After Covid

[@jayveeaurea9091]

What if the said student has parents that are Doctors? Would they work in the gardens instead?

[@EnkhlenEnkhlen-j6w]

Helo

[@syedmedia3573]

UK has best education system because of India

[@PLuMUK54]

I was a teacher for 35 years, so, including my own education, I have experience of schools from 1958-2011. People look back at the 50s and 60s and say "pupils were better behaved", no they were not. Every school had its naughty children. They say "pupils knew more", no they didn't. The bottom sets were filled with children who could not do basic arithmetic, or write a sentence correctly. "Pupils can't use a slide rule", well neither can I, in fact I've never used one. I could go on. There is a lot wrong with education today, but it was not rosy then. Then you were condemned to mediocrity if you could not pass the 11+, now the majority are given the opportunity to shine however late they develop. Then children could chant their lessons parrot fashion, now they can look at facts, analyse them, and decide whether to accept what they are told as truth. I can imagine a person from hundreds of years ago being horrified that we do not know how to shape a quill into a nib, but would you give up a modern pen? Why, then, expect people to do mental arithmetic when we have machines to do it for us? How many of you know how to saddle a horse, or light a fire with two sticks. Times change, requirements change, it's the way of the word. As a teacher, would I have wanted the cane? No. Fear is not the way to get someone to appreciate learning, but also I never needed to use a cane. A good teacher find ways to enthuse their pupils so that they want to learn.

[@FrancisMarcosGaming]

i bet you guys never heard of K-12

[@saykae8357]

I have lmao

[@chimmy___]

Hey teacher! Leave them kids alone! :)

[@leoroverman4541]

No and No

[@shafaquenarayan4933]

Edited hi merry christmas after covid happy holidays 🔒 gs adults only

[@chamindaperera5403]

What poot guys were those days

[@Gangstagran]

Primary school teaching was always predominantly female

[@marcmair1655]

Hoi Jan

[@johnk.lindgren5940]

Kiitos - BangkokJohnny - www.pattayatoday.net - Merci

[@jackmyers498]

I believe it is stupid to displine kids and expect them to do work I wouldn't.

[@peterg463]

This was a load of rubbish. In my opinion. Very woke.

[@Isleofskye]

I went to school in the 60s and 70s and it was well run, we knew our times tables from 2 to 12 from recitation, we behaved ourselves and it was a lovely experience. My daughter went to the same school in 2000 and I went in for a parent's invitation visit. It was bedlam, hardly any of the kids were sitting still, they had zero discipline, there were some there who wanted to learn and were doing their best, including my daughter, until I saw her being told to go help another pupil on the computer as if she were a teacher's aide, hardly helpful for her own work. the teacher wasn't even allowed to raise her voice to the 'little darlings' for fear of one of these brats going home and complaining to Mummy and Daddy. I wouldn't want to be a teacher today, they are nothing more than glorified parents to kids whose own parents are without a clue as to how to take care of kids.