Bad Apple!! (Shadow-Art vs. 3D Models) Side-By-Side Comparison

[@blazette2064]

I see tons of people dogging on the coloured version, imo I think this was made just as a comparison not a direct recreation, so people can tell what the characters looked like.

[@boris001000]

Agreed

[@Random_Channel_RB]

Exactly

[@ntnb_.]

Exactly x2

[@menameMid]

it's also pretty old so it makes sense

[@Deiftwaser]

Exactly x3

[@Antifrost]

I honestly had no idea the color version was re-animated from scratch, the first time I saw it I had assumed that it was just the original without the black-and-white filters applied. That honestly makes it more impressive to me, that someone was able to re-create the original so accurately.

[@vinnigr6795]

you are the only one to appreciate this so far bles your soul

[@this_is_not_a_joke]

Finally, someone else who realised that

[@this_is_not_a_joke]

Finally, someone else who realised that

[@ThatHawksSimp]

I mean it’s done in MMD so it’s most likely just traced, rather than being completely from scratch

[@kawaiicake8038]

True, and this would also explains why the expressions seems stale. I mean they made the animation for scratch cut them some slack (to the people saying the expressions are bland). Honestly a lot of work probably went into this and it is really cool

[@melodyrider]

As someone who has never touched TouHou in their life, NOTHING could have prepared me for what these characters actually look like

[@pogchamp_requiem]

Same

[@krishellenberg5715]

Same

[@greenlunar]

same-

[@rocker_starss]

same

[@kasagure.]

same

[@CloverPegs]

as much as i love the original, i have to appreciate the effort that went into recreating it scene-by-scene from scratch in MMD. animation is hard, and both animators shown here pulled it off well.

[@Q_ari]

Yeah, I can confirm even with my low effort BS, it takes me multiple hours to make animationa

[@prevailingvines]

It’s pretty impressive on how the MMD one was made 11 years ago, it was really hard to animate back then

[@localfrog9929]

Holy fuck?!? The 3D one was done in MMD! That's incredible! I can barely animate a walking motion... The person who did this is extremely talented!

[@localfrog9929]

And both are amazing. Neither are superior.. people need to stop saying "The shadow one is better". It's not better, it was made by a professional. It doesn't make it better. Both are equally amazing and took a good amount of time to make.

[@sigspearthumb3904]

I agree with ya there. They are equally impressive.

[@localfrog9929]

+立黄 ikr :3 both are lovely pieces of artwork.

[@sigspearthumb3904]

The only thing is that the colored ones need a little trimming down because they are noticeably different on occasion. Looks like a few of 'em spent some time having lots of tamales for dinner. XD

[@localfrog9929]

+立黄 um...what?

[@Mahaliak]

Im grateful for this cuz i wanted to know what all the characters looked like. EDIT: GUYS I KNOW IT'S FROM TOUHOU

[@piretiris8223]

Me too

[@nanami_akumudeadchannel7115]

Same?-

[@shin1344]

Same

[@alvinanietefizz]

It is just an mmd tho but yeah

[@RiceWithBread]

Who taught this is from tohou

[@Clover_Tea]

When I first saw this I barely knew any of the characters. Now I can name almost all of them. I like how at the end they put the older versions of Reimu and Marisa.

[@kawaiicake8038]

Same I like the 3D bc now I know who the characters are

[@Clover_Tea]

@@kawaiicake8038 Second time today someone replied to a 2 year old comment of mine xD

[@rexiraiburexiralive2210]

Didn't know old reimu had purple hair I still haven't gotten into touhou but I have been exposed to many touhou songs through arcade rhythm games. Kanbu de tomatte sugu tokeru has a shitty chart in maimai and all my friends hate kanbu :D

[@personifulsob2847]

YEAH LOL I DIDNT KNOW WHAY TOUHOU WAS BACK THEN I

[@Clover_Tea]

Looking back at this, I can *definitely* say that I can name all of these characters, lol

[@vamqzz__]

My eyes during this: ➡️⬅️➡️⬅️➡️⬅️➡️⬅️➡️

[@lindahakim8284]

My eyes: ⬅️⬆️➡️⬇️⬆️⬆️⬅️⬇️➡️

[@lindahakim8284]

A

[@mattyram13]

@@lindahakim8284 B

[@literallynothing2146]

@@mattyram13 C

[@azr3ii]

@@literallynothing2146 D

[@mooonblooom]

You all need to realize that both of these took a lot of time to make. Neither one is better or worse. They're both amazing, and deserve praise for how well they were animated.

[@samisthegreatest6682]

YES

[@cometravas69]

Exactly

[@daveshusband2606]

Well, you Can acknowledge the effort and time taken without liking it.

[@flowwy_]

@@daveshusband2606 ^this People need to understand the difference between fair/constructive criticism/personal opinions and attacking someone

[@peterpeladon]

They are both good, both praiseworthy, and I can still say the one without colors is better. It's smoother and more stylish, and the transitions are designed to use the lack of color. The colored one isn't bad just because the original is better. It is tempting but illogical to think that way.

[@Vania1669]

Everyone: the shadow version is so much cooler Me: oh that was that character!

[@iG0THIC]

they're all from an anime/game also

[@Vania1669]

I know what touhou is, i just dont know most of the modern characters

[@Cringemoment4045]

Get ready for the ITS FROM TOUHOU replies

[@cronchyapples7172]

*ITS FROM TOUHOU*

[@Cringemoment4045]

@@cronchyapples7172 I was right...

[@commenterforfun5154]

I'm pretty sure the animator made everything from scratch. Y'all should appreciate his/her efforts and stop shitting on a decade old video. Edit: and it is not something you can make in a few minutes. I prefer the original version but c'mon y'all are expecting a decade old animation to be smooth and great

[@miner-e9i]

Plus, this was made 10 years ago

[@asher_x9143]

Also like they prob jealous motivation is not on them

[@GargoyleHunter]

The 3d is good but I prefer the shadow version, just more mysterious, but on 0:56 the red eyes close the gap (personally)

[@smoke8572]

It's 10yrs old dummy

[@iffatmansoor5589]

@@smoke8572 yeah you're right

[@lunarxchi]

Everyone: I like the black and white better Me: I like the designs of the characters

[@ihsan2202]

Man of culture

[@ilikememes1402]

Same

[@mediocreartist7227]

i don’t think the colours blend well together, though individually, i do like the character designs

[@Chipsanimation]

Another person who actually appreciate it. Thats pog

[@daniellxnder]

Join the 2hu gang

[@klayrollivan5558]

Today I learned that Reimu was actually facing front in the beginning

[@whiteface513abandonedchann8]

I still don't see that on the silhouetted version tbh

[@masterspark9880]

I’ve always seen her facing front, it just occurred to me that you could interpret it the other way

[@pancakethief9250]

1:00 Nice lightsaber, Youmu

[@louiseechoes]

YOUMU, THIS IS NOT STAR WARS, AND I'M SURE YUYUKO WOULDN'T LIKE THE MOVIE.

[@legendofthecommentsection6513]

Yuyuko would only be interested in the food parts

[@patricktyner]

XD

[@kyliesuzuki6136]

Call Nikki

[@Moofenic]

THE SENATOR MUST LOVE HER

[@5000cz]

I personally like the shadow one better, not because the MMD one is a bit choppy, but it ruins the imagination. The shadow one allows the viewer to imagine the character and what emotions they are having, adding a sense of intrigue and mystery. The MMD one takes that away and puts a face on the characters. It can be done well, but the emotions on the MMD aren't expressed so it feels flat.

[@miodaibuki5160]

the shadow art are the characters from the touhou project. the 3d models are touhou project characters who have personalities and traits given to them. what are you even getting at?

[@5000cz]

Mioda Ibuki They are the same models, but one you can see everything and the other shrouded in playful mystery. Basically what you said, the 3d models already have a personality and traits. Because of that, it makes it less fun. In the shadow one, you can come up with your own personalities and traits for them. Essentially making you THINK more then just showing you outright.

[@5000cz]

Mioda Ibuki *sign*, i guess some people just don't understand artistic value and can only see what's in front of them. So sad :(

[@miodaibuki5160]

why make something "artistic" when its clearly already concrete omg its like looking at the time and going "oh its actually two powerful lines with two meaningful dots followed by two supreme circles" instead of saying "11:00" like please. theres a place for that

[@5000cz]

Mioda Ibuki I'm refering to the 3d model one as concrete, but the shadow one is up for interpretation. It's my opinion, but I do respect your opinion too. Let's just leave it at that

[@stankfield9432]

Kudos to the person who busted their ass, reanimating the entire music video from scratch.

[@Sykroid]

For real. I'm attempting something similar for a different game and even with really good tools, there's SO many little touches in the original that are extremely difficult to copy.

[@KanaIzumiya]

In think the 3D video was meant to show who the character's are in color... Or something. This looks like something I would do for fun (not saying it's bad tho).

[@kfcdog1]

I think the coloured one was the original version of the black and white version

[@alphasamahd]

@@kfcdog1 BnW is from 2009, the colored one from 2011 if i'm not mistaken.

[@craftypixel7992]

I thank that too. Ppl are taking it too seriously what if the creator just wanted to have fun

[@spacecatkin]

Samee

[@perfect9561]

Yeah, for non-fans I think this is a great way for them to learn what the characters look like and thus making them decide if they want to learn more about it or nah😌

[@strawwizard8921]

Some things look better black and white, this is one of them

[@clinicalobsession616]

Nah. It's just that the non shadow art version of this has really bad models and the motions are a bit off. If you replaced the models and got a a better animator, it would look better.

[@strawwizard8921]

+P0keTheArtist probably would, but the transitions will still roll a little smoother in black and white

[@clinicalobsession616]

True...

[@tehonlyneko6190]

agreed

[@Hisoka569]

Racism is also one of them

[@eveningdim7167]

Really like the shadow better, just the ambiguity & concept.

[@gmgmaker9289]

The quality of models is completly different, since the shadow ones have a much better physics simulation and their polycount is way higher. TL:DR the coloured models are worse than shadow ones

[@applejuicemae9917]

indeed it's so cool

[@SilviaCompany-ed6vw]

yes, i prefer shadow version

[@splatcoffee909]

+Vague twilight123 yeah it is

[@snowfieldlament]

yes and hair and clothes(when they move)is better animated

[@mazatl5275]

The colored version was really just made so others could see what the colors, or for me, what the characters look like. Both are pretty cool to watch.

[@Awalys]

"is touhou an instrument"

[@Awalys]

famaki san *raises hand*

[@foggylikesilenthill]

+famaki san But is MMD an instrument?

[@foggylikesilenthill]

+Bibi Stein My comment was a joke, and I hope yours is too.

[@sakurahikxri]

But mayo are

[@sarcasmica907]

*raises hand*

[@starpup2002]

The thing about the colors is that it ruins the illusion of the transitions that the black and white has.

[@lyanismagestic4632]

but its nice to know who was behind the shadow

[@cringylou4441]

@@lyanismagestic4632 I agree with that.

[@eternalchamp3882]

@@lyanismagestic4632 but it's not the same characters that are in the shadow and in the colors there's obvious differences in their shape and sizes from the shadow version to the colored version so your statement doesn't cut it xD

[@lyancuesta3077]

@@eternalchamp3882the original video is 3d but removing the color makes it difficult to see what's there due to the lack of depth cause the color was the one giving the image depth and a sense of what is separateing what from,again due to the lack of color. So to combat that, he made it 2D so that depth is not necessary and due to the original vertion's constant panning around that camera it would make it hard to understand wtf is happening so he just removed the panning.(Or you know he just moved it to the side a little cause like if you turn the girl around a little bit at this time 0:11 you would see that it's almost identical)Idk that's just my opinion

[@lyancuesta3077]

I forgot to mention that some things are different like the cup falling and the castle has been modified to rather make it look more detailed with the black and white or make things easier during the production of this film/video or whatever

[@idkanymore4664]

0:43 this is probably the smoothest part

[@ILOVEGGGGUINEAPIGS]

2:19 is my favorite part

[@kimorachiibunny3439]

People are just talking about how they like the shadow version better, honestly I kinda feel sad that the creator must have worked hard on this but the others just ignored it.

[@theonefrog7392]

I was thinking about that too

[@SillyBlackChild]

I only watched this to understand what is going on

[@zip-creativestudio4692]

I agree.. This whole comment section is basically a lore of "im14andthisisdeep" comments. "Shadow art is better" "BnW version better concept art beautiful" blah blah blah.. People don't understand that this version was only made for curiosity of how the original might look like before post processing fx. This was never made to compete with the original to begin with. Props to the niconicodouga people for the effort.

[@yuxiaozheng3200]

Yeah I agree, I can here just to see the characters, but all the criticism about how it looks compared to the original just makes me sad. Like imagine how many times they have to rewatch it, and animating it as closely as possible. I don’t know how long this took, but the 3D is well done.

[@ayana8788]

Yeahhh ikr, if they want to critic much why bother remains in this video

[@lylahandaubrie6771]

The shadow models look a lot smoother and they match the lyrics much more. "It all will fade to white/black"

[@dee6561]

Lylah and Aubrie Yep

[@theblackway8737]

Yeah

[@hanakaze3960]

Now let me make an Shikieiki reference...

[@kristianperez4108]

They aren't models, that's hand drawn.

[@troy8372]

Atleast they tried and the colored one almost looks like the same one as the white and black

[@animai4529]

Congrats you found a person who appreciates the mmd version.

[@artzycreature]

2:04 "OBJECTION!!!!!!"

[@ltknn]

oml yes

[@tayyang2265]

Think Dangonronpa would be better

[@2319-0]

Reminds me of the "No that's WONG" meme-

[@weebiverse9]

@@tayyang2265 ah i see a fellow fan

[@HalfBakedPotatoWedges]

ILL CUT THROUGH YOUR WORD’S

[@edwardrabe5202]

2:55 man it sucks when you are running for a bus and then you slip your shoelace and fell of the sea

[@evecampbell3069]

That sounds like a cool transition for an Isekai anime.

[@ruphite9521]

Everyone talking about how the shadows are better but i’m just out here trying to use the colors to figure out who everyone is

[@imasukima8786]

Looking at them side by side, I can tell the original PV models were made specifically to look great as silhouettes. I think that's very impressive.

[@official-obama]

It’s a rule (maybe)?

[@Mercsin]

Don't know the first thing about Touhou but I love this song

[@graphitetailgrace3870]

Me neither

[@puellamagi123]

Phantasm Forte Same here! The only game i can even beat though is touhou 9... and on easy +_+ i seriously suck at touhou.

[@graphitetailgrace3870]

Yeah, I totally want to!

[@huniverso]

me too lol

[@user-bm2oq7if6t]

thepinkcreeper you should try to beat touhou 8 is really easy even in normal :D

[@srinidhi8542]

Being able to make this with 3rd models and still being being smooth af is just ... wow.

[@helloluvv3794]

I used to watch this all the time omg and I still love it to this day

[@slashedleaf]

I would never have recognized Momiji at 2:05, nitori at 2:55, or the difference between the young and adult versions of Reimu and Marisa without seeing this. The monochrome is definitely better artistically though.

[@darkness74185]

I'm late,but me too.I can't tell apart most of the characters between 1:40 to 2:10 in the monochrome version......

[@beepboopily6285]

I was able to tell them all except momeiji.

[@Kromiball]

2:27 Who is this girl? "Momiji" and this girl were the only characters in the video I don't know.

[@rumia_789]

@@Kromiball tenshi hinanawi

[@Hanami63]

Elly looks so sad in this. Almost like she's been left in the past and no one remembers that this music was just before she appeared in her game. I mean, that's what happened, Elly is forgotten, but it's still sad.

[@boris001000]

Haha true

[@kingbugs9566]

What game funky Friday?

[@da3saxmoved37]

@@kingbugs9566 😶

[@kingbugs9566]

@@da3saxmoved37 what

[@kamifade]

@@kingbugs9566 the song has nothing to do with fnf, but I can see how you think it does

[@silvernightray7701]

I wanted to check, even though I knew each and every character, but realising that Reimu and Marisa at 3:26 are actually their PC-98 version, made it even more amazing. What an impressive fanwork!!!

[@MsPysoul]

shadow version is much more fluent

[@jj26863]

my thoughts EXACTLY. not to mention in the mmd version they put WAAAAAY too much emphasis in the boobs. :P

[@altairstar1922]

Jesse ZSlayers Yeah... Thats what I thought...

[@frozenfeet4534]

Jesse ZSlayers tfw boobs are much smaller than most manga/anime/Fire Emblem games

[@jj26863]

Jason Weber ya. i know... that doesn't make them any less stupidly big

[@雅楽川圭典]

and the body shape is more smoother:p

[@MrOscarDonnelly]

My version of the song (WARNING: EXTREMELY LONG): Girl comes Girl have apple Girl tries to bite it Girl can not because she's addicted to carbs Girl throws apple Witch catches apple Witch eats apple in about 4 or 5 bites Witch throws apple Apple turns into girl about to go to bed Girl about to go to bed does stuff then wags her finger Girl about to go to bed's finger changes to a girl with bat wings Girl with bat wings looks at teacup with intrest Camera changes to side view Girl with bat wings drops teacup Teacup shatters Teacup shards spin and one turns into spinning maid Maid gets a knife out of nowhere and throws it Knife turns into girl with glowstick wings Girl with glowstick wings puts out her hands and smiles Girl with glowstick wings get cuts in half by sword Sword girl swings sword around and camera switches to fan girl (Lol) Fan girl (Lol) waves fan and looks at petal Petal turns into boat Boat has girl with sickle so big it will probably sink the boat on it Girl with sickle does nothing Camera pans to sickle and chick with fake sword shows up Chick with fake sword waves her sword around before it turns into lady with fire powers Lady with fire powers summons hellfire Camera zooms into the hellfire Two almost identical demons emerge from the hell fire and put their hands together Nurse chick reaches out to moon Nurse chick leaves Yukiko from Persona 4 also reaches out towards the moon Camera zooms in on moon Band people show up Camera zooms in on violin person Camera zooms in on trumpet person Camera zooms in on floating keyboard person Floating keyboard person puts her(?) hand out Animal ears chick shows up Jester chick shows up Bunny ears chick shows up Purple hair girl with bunny ears shows up Purple hair girl with bunny ears shoots line Different girl with sword slices it in half from the top Peices turn into leafs Girl sweeping shows up Girl sweeping looks at leaf Spastic girl spins around Big boob lady stands Little girl hops behind her Big boob lady looks at her They do some pose thingy They become flat and turn into an eye with a spinning pupil We go inside the eye The pupil was a chick with an umbrella Chick with umbrella holds fan in front of her Fan closes and a chick with a hat is behind it Chick with hat spins She smiles and tips her hat(?) Camera pans to lady with hat Camera pans to them staring at each other They morph into some weird wing thing Camera pans to girl with bird wings Girl with bird wings writes Girl with bird wings flicks pen Pen turns into horn chick Horn chick drinks Horn chick doesn't have any water left Water drop leaks out Water drop turns into girl with creepy doll Girl with creepy doll drops doll Doll turns into blue-haired chick Blue-haired chick dives into water Petals are everywhere Different girl with umbrella shows up Different girl with umbrella rolls up umbrella and stabs invisible guy with it Umbrella turns into sickle which different girl with sickle picks up Different girl with sickle walks Different girl with sickle looks up then looks down There is water leaking off the sickle Water drops twice then turns into sleepy girl Sleepy girl wakes up and floats away Sleepy girl and witch reach for each other and then turn into the Yin Yang sign

[@leon-to5zo]

MrOscarDonnelly bewtiful theeoree

[@MrOscarDonnelly]

lol thx ima proh

[@神の兵]

It hurts me to read all of this nonsense but I will and might I add that that is quite and impressive understanding of what is happening here-yes,of course,the comprehension here gets a little immature and crosses over but still,quite impressive.Now,all we have to do is to wait for another Touhou fan to walk by and lecture you about the character names.I would do it but I'd be wasting too much time instead of watching hentai.

[@MrOscarDonnelly]

The only reason I liked this song is because of the song and not actually Touhou so I don't know the character's names. I just wanted to make my own little spoof of it.

[@leon-to5zo]

TheTacoOtaku Don't get your panties in a bunch ^-^

[@ronken14]

The 3d art is lacking the softness and the bounciness of the dance of the shadow art

[@localfrog9929]

In MMD it's kinda hard to get that effect.

[@MikiL1626c06]

I wish MMD had more updates to actually make the models smoother.

[@shil4720]

What was used to make the shadow art?

[@d3draw]

Actually, no, MMD has the capacity. I just think that the animator needed more practice

[@Arubedo]

ronken14 also some characters were backwards

[@Jowonne]

Went back to this after 7 years, still a masterpiece

[@tank-bm1py]

What anime is this (how to piss touhou fans off

[@tank-bm1py]

The Bun N' Gun LOL

[@endrgirl6630]

dont steal comments breh... -,-

[@canhedotricks6078]

What anime is this though I'm trying to figure that out

[@real.isaias]

maybe tohou

[@lecorbak]

Insert comment to insult his age based on his avatar.

[@nerdygeek2012]

I think why the shadow art version flows better is because, since they are just silhouettes, there are more ways to seamlessly join the scenes and objects and animated a transformation between them that look stylistic. When you show what's happening behind the curtain, it's harder to show transformation between objects, as seem from 0:48 to 0:51 when the knife turns into part of a costume - the MMD one has to compensate for the change of color and the obvious change of object, while with the shadow art they are just silhouettes so you can merge the two shapes together and no one notices. Also, there is the issue of emotion. Bear in mind that the silhouette shows less facial expression, because, well, the characters are silhouettes - then again, there is a lack of song-related sadness in the MMD one. The fact that the animator of the MMD version was able to find ways to flow between scenes made that version very impressive for me. I still prefer the shadow art one, to be honest, and I commend whoever came up with the concept.

[@beckieholliday2477]

Anyone else think the shadow art and 3D models look cool together in places?

[@averykeias310]

0:50 :D The one with christmas-tree lights for wings.

[@redpelt1]

OcelotDoodleDrawing That's Flandre Scarlet. ^u^

[@averykeias310]

I found out :D It's faburlurs..

[@burpbukowski2231]

Everyone: so that's the character Others: Arguing that the shadow model is better than the mmd version Me: Best Girls

[@reiismeh]

u mean "Girl Bosses"?

[@PowerSenpai]

Shadow art is more sinister and brings out the songs purpose better

[@TheSonicEarthquake]

Like the photo beside your username :p

[@PowerSenpai]

Daniel Maher my username is rad betch, but my pic is even rader

[@Thingumadoodle0518]

I've never played Touhou, and I've never seen the colorized versions of the characters... I honestly expected some of them to look pretty different color-wise lmao

[@tang_erine]

this was from 10 years ago

[@Thingumadoodle0518]

@@tang_erine Yes I am aware

[@tang_erine]

@@Thingumadoodle0518 ok

[@tysondennis1016]

You know you are a good character designer when the characters can be recognized from their silhouettes alone.

[@fadedc]

Ayo touhou fans out there, it’s cool for other people wanting to know what all the characters look like. The video is pretty popular nowadays so some non- fans have to stumble upon bad apple and is curious to know what the characters are. Don’t flame them in the replies like “play touhou then” or “the 3D version isn’t as good”

[@HajimeHitoshiHideo]

the shadow art video is already 3D

[@fadedc]

@@HajimeHitoshiHideo has anyone ever told you you're really dissapointing

[@HajimeHitoshiHideo]

@@fadedc Why are you attacking me? I just said that the shadow art is also 3D

[@cronchyapples7172]

Play touhou then and the 3D version isn't as good im a madlad

[@mittfh]

Just how many characters appear in this?! I _think_ there are 40, which must be a sizeable proportion of the (then) cast...

[@NinjaDinosaur321]

+mittfh Probably somewhere around that... though I believe, at the time this was made there was _about_ 150 characters? Give or take. So yeah, about a quarter.

[@vinnigr6795]

i dont think 150...

[@ephraimium6755]

Now there're more than 200

[@meghanoel99]

I like the Shadow Art better ^-^

[@shadowsofvalentia]

...Whoops, my comment is almost the exact same. ...I still liked yours, though!!

[@_rymaru.7056]

聞きだすと永遠にリピートしたくなる曲

[@marisad7206]

I honestly don’t care if the colored ver is bad but now I can see everyone in color

[@Chris-jx4ij]

I like the Shadow Art side simply because the transitions feel more natural.

[@zestytomato1120]

am I the only one that liked the silhouettes better? I'm not saying the video was bad it was amazing I just didn't expect them to look like that

[@atlas2247]

+Alejandro Beltran I think that it's just because when you see the silhouettes, they seem a lot more articulated and flexible, as the 3D models aren't programmed as well as the silhouettes would be or are, I don't know if you used a program and then converted it into black and white or... But none the less, I think both videos were good, but the black and white original was better.

[@Vyz3r]

+Alejandro Beltran Because they are different. It's obvious they're different from the movement and the details.

[@seri-ously8591]

+Lumina The Dream Demon I'm not a fan of Touhou (just a neutral), but I have done animation, the 3d model one (minus B&W) doesn't have any editing at all and the source 3d models were pulled from are on default with the non B&W side. The Silhouettes 3D were actually fixed from hair, clothing, body shape so that they'll appear more proportional and have fluidity when programmed because the models on the right are a bit clunky (even with good programming). If the animator didn't edit the models and fix them, they'll appear less proportional since look at the 3D model side, each model *are* different which mean it came from more than one actual source. For example, there were some with very clunky hair and others had more smoother more hair in the video. It's normal for any 3D animator to fix any model so they look more fluid when they program it. A lot of MMD 3d have done this too to models they've used. Even with a good programming, the models in shadow art filtering will still look the same but with the shadow play effect.

[@donut7334]

Literally every other comment was bashing on the 3D one TF

[@Sykroid]

I'm attempting to remake this for a video game, and even with really good tools, there's SO many little touches in the original that are extremely difficult to copy. Like at 0:13 Marisa catches the apple while spinning with her arm out, else her clothes/broom would show in the shot. At 0:23 the zoom-in is actually a transition that hides both marisa's broom, and the stars. At 0:36 Remilia moves with the camera but at a different pace. Literally everything with Youmu, like sheathing the sword is so difficult, but also the tree at 1:02 spins independently from the camera so it feels more like a swivel. Every camera angle change is really more complex than it seems and usually moves while tilting a small amount. Also many of the girls are doing this odd sidestepping dance where they also move their torso's and shoulders to the beat. You can see Reimu do it at 0:02, Patchy at 0:28, Yuyuko at 0:59, and Kanako at 2:13. It is fluid and EXTREMELY difficult to copy. It's a masterpiece, and yet it was done close to 15 years ago.

[@kevinsteel7875]

Every aspect of this entire project is incredible. It's obvious that an unimaginable amount of work and dedication went into it all. Don't even get me started on R/place.

[@lun4rzchr]

you could say this entire touhou project

[@aNubbr]

I like how all of the comments are people saying stuff like “stop hating, they recreated it from scratch” and “it was probably meant to be a comparison to original and original is better but this is still amazing” instead of people actually hating it. That’s what I like about the internet, sometimes they can just block out hate for things that don’t deserve it, and replace the hate with “stop hating guys”

[@zuzukram]

To all the people getting mad at each other. Yall acting like you just came out the womb pls. Art can be perceived differently we aren’t the same person.

[@FablerTheFirst]

it might be just me but there are some small details that the color ones are diffrent than shadow ones look at hair and clothing also other stuff is diffrent is that normal???

[@Leimiful]

Yes the two videos don't use the same models in them so there are bound to be differences

[@FrostMonolith]

Yes. It's because the shadow version is a 2D drawing with parallel perspective and the right one is 3D with two-point perspective. Some angle differences exist, mostly seen in the right one.

[@yilongzhong9251]

+Calvin Frost yes

[@NormalRapt0r]

The shadow models where polished and made the models look more realistic

[@Bulkvannderhuge]

I know nothing about touhou outside of the song and random fanart ive seen over the years so it's really cool to see the actual characters.

[@cubed..]

I've never heard of touhou but whoever made the colorized animation nailed this one!

[@theroamer2663]

It's funny how the models are fatter than the silhouettes

[@blake_404]

agree.

[@PeugeotRocket]

I noticed that too. Still great though.

[@calebmallari1377]

ikr

[@yeee1400]

Oh yeah. It is fat!!!

[@cupc4k3z]

lmao

[@shiki1]

Hey, thanks! As someone who only knows Touhou by references or something, this actually helps put faces to the shadows 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@___ally__]

This is honestly amazing

[@nathanbohm6986]

My man's did all this. And people hate it. CURSE APON THOSE WHO HATE ON THIS MASTER PICE

[@thefxfestival]

Hmm... I like the black and white version better, sticks with songs meaning and just looks better.

[@noelmalongayon7598]

u mean shadow

[@ratifer7576]

What IS the meaning?

[@rozanfaust2967]

Noel Malongayon It can be black and white

[@lifeofakidcosplayer5708]

I like the shadow better. the shadow art is easier to manipulate and more fluid. like at.2:52, the doll turns into that girl a little more natural that in the MMD. also I think its a little more fun to use the body langue your provided with to think up the expression and emotion that would be on there faces. some of the emotion seemed a bit weird to me on the MMD. like at 0:38 I thought her expression would be different, I didn't think she should be smiling. it takes the poetic, artistic, metaphoric element out. I liked that they were shadows, but I understand some people want faces and like this mmd. its not a bad mmd, someone imagined these expressions and worked very hard to make this, I just personally prefer the shadows because everyone sees something different, and I like that. the fluidity is much better than it could have turn out, its just tricky software. I'm actually amazed how some of the transformations turned out (like the fire part) but since its not as easy to manipulate as the shadow art it is bound to not have as natural transformations and fluidity.

[@bigtub1101]

Omg the backstreets back characters are from this game! When worlds collide

[@spiritualsunc]

keep in mind the 3d animation was made 10+ years ago - how amazing.

[@reclaimer2019]

The most impressive was the transitions in color, how you did the transitions in color?

[@YY-zn6ll]

妖夢のとこめっちゃかっけー！

[@londinium3483]

松野チョロ松 凄く同感。

[@まっちゃ好き-e6k]

松野チョロ松 日本人がいた喜び

[@rio-ve5jd]

それな

[@はるまき-q6h2h]

それな

[@ヒマナギ]

松野チョロ松 それ思た てかやっと日本人見つけたァww

[@GeorgeCowsert]

To everyone saying the black and white is better; that's the point. It's a stylistic choice necessary to portray what it wanted, but comes with a downside: Some people have no clue what silhouette belongs to who. This video just helps to identify characters for the uninitiated.

[@Videogamer80]

Wow, just noticed that the shadow version flows a lot a lot better then the animated one

[@rishondsouza2312]

i love how so many people are talking about how so many are hating on the coloured ver to the point i dont see any

[@E_D_61ye]

魔理沙の後にでてくる建物が紅魔館じゃないんだけど…

[@ヒマナギ]

すめらぎ 外国と日本は違うんかな~(^ω^;);););)

[@user-76Know5master]

ヒマナギ 外国と日本の幻想郷は違うのか……

[@huzi-ma]

すめらぎ ホグワーツ((

[@pateardealul2048]

This is seriously good work!

[@JsKingBoo]

I agree that the silhouette version is better. Not because of its animation quality, but because the coloured version loses a lot of the lyrical meaning. "Fading to white" and "turn to black" mean nothing anymore. There's a lot of good/evil self-discussion that the white and black characters represent, *especially* with the ying-yang symbolism that bright, cheery colourfulness can't catch.

[@Ayame550]

***** Finally someone who says something more than "I like the B&W one better"

[@windowsguy2574]

Flandre looked scarier in the B&W version lol

[@victorvirgili4447]

The Xmas lights wings girl?

[@fadhlanzaqwan3897]

@@victorvirgili4447 yep i thought she was some kind of demon before xD

[@TheGFig]

Not bad but I still like the shadows better- it looks more interesting

[@reina_harhar7815]

Before I had no idea who the characters were but now I know what and how they look like in color and made it easier for me to recognize their silhouettes.

[@jalpaauplia4275]

The transition is more smooth than every musicaly transition

[@dieguito0512]

Everyone: *complaining about the 3d models* Me: *why does everyone in the 3d models have baby hands*

[@Diathan]

But... you... nah, you figure it out.

[@iatemycat5320]

Isnt that complaining as well?

[@Diathan]

@@iatemycat5320 yep.

[@iatemycat5320]

@@Diathan oo

[@rookie8084]

[@slink5986]

I was scared to see how they would show objects morphing into people in the 3D version

[@angrygopnik2317]

Holy mother of god...both of them are incredible

[@aplsed]

MMD's not the BEST 3D animation tool, but you really gotta appreciate the effort of recreating it shot-for-shot in such a manor.

[@jenpai_senpai]

I prefer the black and white silhouettes, but the fact that someone took the time to reanimate it all in MMD is dope asf

[@simpleastronaut.2692]

you people who didn’t like the 3d one, you do realize that was made 9 years ago lmaoo

[@mejd-bl7re]

i bet whoever made this is a master 3d animator now, they better prove the comments wrong

[@DelayedGuy]

I'm imprrssed on the models of it beinf in 10 years ago good work!

[@skyawkawardlysocialotaku9776]

I personally loved the shadow art one more. It was much better and you were able to see the characters better (even though it was not in color) and you can also sense the emotions and the personality better (in my opinion). Also, what show were those characters from?

[@awnglier]

>Also, what show were those characters from? Touhou Project. knowyourmeme.com/memes/subcultures/touhou-project-%E6%9D%B1%E6%96%B9project

[@kristinalovelace2063]

Me too, search character bad apple with characters 😇😇

[@pango4425]

This entire comment section is triggering me even though it's so old.

[@mansunemiku]

Saaaame

[@pango4425]

@@mansunemiku Everyone's missing the point! "The black/white one is better hurr durr" Well duh it's the original but the maker wanted to do a version with the characters in view like what's wrong with that? Worthless comments. Just appreciate the effort this person put in. Like people think they're so sophisticated explaining their reasonings for why they prefer the original, such as the contrast of black and white or the freedom of imagination. While partially true, it's mostly just the fact that the original is obviously better animated, because it's the ORIGINAL. Jesus.

[@mansunemiku]

@@pango4425 EXACTLY. I completely agree with you. When I first saw the video I thought it was so cool that I could see the characters, that is literaly the main reason I like touhou now. People need to appreciate the thought behind the video instead of dogging on it with bullcrap about prefering the original

[@touhouvoices1149]

The shadow version is better. There's people who say the MMD version (the 3D one) has better animation. I don't see how is that possible :-/ I mean, the animation is pretty well made for a MMD project, but the shadow version has the characters moving in a smooth and realistic way.

[@donut7334]

I know this comment is old but the reason for comments like that is because of people like you who are unappreciative

[@zerdante]

People! please stop criticizing the 3d model, remember this is a 2011 video, and is a fan made models, so lets appreciate creator´s enfort!

[@MCgoesBrr]

I like both but their smiles are very creepy like Flander's smile in the shadow and 3D one

[@derian5938]

Wait, these characters actually come from somewhere??? I must have a link!!!

[@derian5938]

***** Thanks man!

[@ちゃんみ-c7o]

白黒の方が動きが自然だなー

[@暇人ココ]

ちゃんみ 日本人がいてよかった(；∀；)

[@tateharriman8125]

does anyone else think the 3D models suck compared to the shadows?

[@paigebair4083]

yeah

[@isabellawells3823]

Yep.

[@gcchiara4262]

I agree.

[@afo985]

however, making the 3d model's video is more difficult than the video which is just drawing white and black images

[@paigebair4083]

YOU Gi Gi yeah, but in the end I think 2D animation is a bit harder than 3D animation since you have to draw each frame so the outline looks the same and transition looks smooth. whereas with 3D animation you have the characters done and you just have to move them to match the original 2D version. But i do agree that making the characters is time consuming

[@briarshine]

Happy 10 year anniversary of this masterpiece!

[@chiare5236]

Bad apple is such a great song.But,I don't know what the game is about? Can someone explain it?

[@Nobody-nh3on]

From what I've heard, a really hard 2D Third person shooter game.

[@batsardmoray3580]

+Nobody Touhou is basically Galaga on steriods but instead of spaceships you're a derpy loli shooting lasers/balls/paper/frogs at other derpy lolis to try and destroy them with said items as music plays in the background while not being hit. This apparently creates a plot. tl;dr Standing in the rain without getting wet.

[@dovahchief5631]

+korina li a bullet hell game series with anime style girls

[@measobeyofficial6100]

I CLICKED [CC] BUT THERE'S NOT LETTER APPEARED IN SCREEN

[@grass324]

2:15 Shadow ver.: Normal 3D ver.: THICC

[@hayond656]

PoV: You're trying to find the comments from other people which were apparently shitting on the MMD version

[@mysteryduckman1294]

god, that is relatable.