Bad BPMs Are Ruining Your Beats

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[@Mikeyvellii]

You don’t choose the bpm, it chooses you.

[@madewavy]

Someone who gets it

[@grandfatherrecords]

For real though

[@JayStudda]

That's a FACT

[@Severiano_22]

yeah bro

[@hylo_sa531]

Amen

[@NavieD]

I apologize in advance, I made this video like 8 months ago and am only posting it now. Since this video was created, I have gotten far sexier in case anyone is a bit confused.

[@salamiwallnut]

Lol

[@mbonihankuyejimmypeter5490]

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[@Juline1221]

This was a major issue I had. There's literally no videos out there about this

[@drakehasbula5557]

facts

[@qroovyy_]

bro agreed

[@klaytonvonkluge4905]

Absolutely 💯

[@vag4lvevo22]

Same bro. Like how come known KZbin music producers doesn’t make a video about this. 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️👍

[@kengbeats]

bro it dont matter there no rules in this shit do what you want you thinking 2 much

[@superbtruck]

bad beats are ruining my beats lol

[@TRVladdy]

I can tell you the exact reason: In fl, the quantizer on 16-machine-swing works on 70bpm , but not at 140. I know this sounds very irrelevant, especially if someone doesn't even know what I'm talking about. but its sooo incredibly powerful. when I want to make a groovy beat, i use it on every drum and percussion individually and all it takes is Ctrl+Q and adjusting one knob if the preset is loaded up. plus one extra point delay behaves differently which can obviously be changed in the delay but for a new producer who maybe doesn't know about this, it can completely cange the vibe of the song. a little bit nitpicky with that last one but ya get the idea

[@DxeNvtsukii]

i appreciate this info, shitlike this shouldnt be swept under da rug

[@gl0ckfather]

nah this makes sense because theoretically speaking sound is a medium and if we were to quantize something moving slow it would be easier to pick up wheras something fast wouldnt be so easy to quantize because technically soeaking each individual sound you lay out at a higher bpm technically comes out faster at least this is my theory id rather have this out there than in but yk food for thought and this goes along with the delay point , miniscule delay may seem insignificant but when it repeats throughout a song you’d definitely hear it when put side by side or rather ear to ear , good looks tho i really appreciate this info

[@slbx1948]

My beats improved drastically when I switched from 4/4 or 8/4 to 8/1 or 16/1. Never seen a tutorial dealing with this issue.

[@Devezin]

I don’t use fl but see if they have mpc 1/8 swing. In double time it’s the same as 1/16 swing

[@brycem9063]

@@slbx1948 What? Can you give an example of this?

[@isomatic]

If you record unquantized (a drum pattern for example) in 45 BPM instead of 90 BPM, the PPQ is lower and it affects where the note lands in the piano roll. This can create more of a punchy/swingy/groovy drum beat. This better emulates the midi recording of vintage drum machines like the SP-1200. I got this tip from The Daydream Sound.

[@hayatefaith4273]

That's gonna completely depend on the maschine you're using though right? Because the mpc live has 960 ppq and halving that would make it bigger I think. And I'm pretty sure the sp is 24 ppq aka 1/64th triplets

[@hayatefaith4273]

I could be all wrong which would be embarrassing and funny

[@isomatic]

@@hayatefaith4273 I tried it in the MPC Live II and noticed a difference. The Daydream Sound demonstrated it on his MPC 2000 as well. It theoretically should work like that in any DAW (MPC Live is a DAW too). Test it out and see if you can hear the difference.

[@me3rdmadness231]

i use both. Doesn’t really matter to me. Although I notice that a little swing in single time is not the same as double that amount of swing in double time,,, there is always something to add. I produce drill, trap and swing type beats in double time due to high hat placement and ease of note addition in relation to the numbered timeline. But genres like Afrobeats, Latin and basically genres that require a bass that speaks, I go with single time just because of that swing. It gives life to the beat almost immediately.

[@pyrogriffin]

20 year classically trained pianist here, and double time vs 'normal' affects how you think of and count music when performing as well. And it has a lot to do with what you said: more space for writing, but also makes it easier to count out in some instances when learning / performing. A lot of Sousa marches are good examples of how counting in double time vs cut time vs 'normal' time can be counted.

[@ese426]

You got some samples g?

[@shadowrealmsouljah]

@@ese426 brooo 😭💀

[@pyrogriffin]

@@ese426 "The Stars And Stripes Forever" is probably the most popular example, but it's easier to understand if you are looking at the sheet music along with listening.

[@JayStudda]

@@pyrogriffin he meant like samples of you playing the piano that we could chop up in a DAW and make some beats

[@gracefolkes7503]

@@ese426 These are the necessary questionslol

[@ChainsTheChef888]

I don't know when you got to 100K but congratulations on that achievement, your content does help us beatmakers

[@RnBGarvey]

double time changes the resolution of the sequencer's swing.

[@BeezyOnDemKeyz]

I always go off my vibe and how bouncy I’m feeling And tap my tempo

[@luz8615]

I think BPM doesn’t affect the construction of a beat because not everyone works at the same speed or carry the same experience to cook up on the spot and if you choose BPM over what you want the sounds to feel like then it’s always finna be well structured but it won’t really stand out from other pieces and it can be a big motivational killer

[@alvaromurphyy]

NAVIE WHY YOU LOOK SO CALM WHEN YOU SHOW YOUR EXAMPLE BEAT, THOSE BEATS ARE FREAKIN GOODS LOL

[@mallhits]

on an mpc you can make your high hat rolls faster via the ta tempo button if the beat is in double time. My assumption id the trap hat was developed via this mpc specific funtion. As a result trap, a genre born out of the mpc workflow, naturally defaults to double time.

[@SyproBeats]

truth be told, BPM doesn't really matter 80 BPM or 160 BPM if you create the beat around these bpm's you can get the same result you had in mind ... it has never been a matter of speeding up the project. it is more of how quick your loop goes around.

[@aleksanderm8138]

Exactly what I thought, so I still can’t really get the topic. Would picking a ‘right’ BPM for a genre you want to produce just be a ‘more correct’ thing to do, but not actually necessary for your production?

[@SOVLTRON]

If the performance is quantized virtually identical , however, if not quantized then you CAN 'feel' the difference.. BUT It depends. It has more to do with how MIDI samplers work than tempo. Doubletime was used in the past to increase the PPQn on less accurate sequencers. If you were placing notes in with/without quantize one way to get more PPQN (pulses per quarter note) was to double the tempo. This way without quantize on the sampler was more accurate at placing the notes where the player placed them versus quantizing them to the nearest pulse per quarter note. so long story short, you can 'feel' it but it depends on what you're using. So technically an unquantized performance at 96ppqn will sound different than one at 960ppqn. Each DAW has a different PPQ to my knowledge so it really depends hope this helps

[@AJMixup]

Good stuff, though I thought you were going to talk about like... the use of odd numbers (like ending in a 1 or a 7), is that still something that can be bad or does it not really matter as long I stay in the genre's bpm range?

[@wavpercy]

Id say general rule of thumb with music, if it sounds good, youre good. I make shit all the time at like 118, 133, 164.. and if it slaps, it slaps.

[@OfficialSavo]

I don't know what these other dudes in the comment are talking about but nice video. 💯

[@sherifbadr3442]

Another difference between single and double timing is the note repeat function, imagine 16th note hi hat in both cases

[@matt3616]

I’m here for the holister shirt

[@Guitarist888]

What about funk music? I wanna make a early Prince type beat.

[@soapyrainmaker5367]

^

[@m-soundstheproducer]

Great info

[@NavieD]

Thanks M!

[@danomaly8943]

That stretching technique so simple but it just helped my beats big time. You definitely improved my workflow with this one, that’s to be expected.

[@Kryptdegen]

Can you do a video on organized noise from outkast? And one on mannie fresh

[@djdada4148]

BPM - You're right.

[@PolymerJones]

140 all day baby ! WAKE UP in the morning feeling like P Diddy / grab my glasses I’m out the door about ta hit the city/ before I leave brush my teeth with a bottle of Jack cuz I leave for the night I ain’t coming back

[@SJT]

True story bro ✅

[@AGtheGEEK]

Good topic… my bpms was everywhere

[@GehLekTek]

7:10 dont get this point. if you change the grid and zoom in it has the exact same effect. if you use the step sequencer in fl to put in notes however you could do faster hatrolls without going into the piano roll

[@nathanbryers]

Sequencers also might respond to half/ doubling

[@kage-fm]

i took a survey of top producers, who all agreed that setting up your track for double time, and then setting it back to single time, before you wrote your track will release “vibe molecules” into your studio, which will digitally rearrange the bits in your audio file for maximum vibe alignment. unfortunately this alignment of digital bits is only transferable to vinyl.

[@jameswhite4709]

You think a bad bpm can ruin your beat? A bad bm can ruin your whole day. 💩

[@MrMightyEthan]

I was literally just thinking of this yesterday! Thanks!

[@NavieD]

I read your mind

[@SUIHART]

What about triple tempo? ♥

[@ldee1969]

Very helpful

[@dtfluker1617]

Hey Navi. What did you do to stretch your pattern from single time to double time???

[@quadrenniumspouse]

If you highlight the group of notes on your piano roll, a double-arrow icon will appear to the right of the notes. You can click and drag it back and forth to stretch the timing.

[@camrnlve]

New rap name: Spacey Lower-Energy Beat

[@wethemprod]

This video has been re-named and I am the witness

[@omaro8240]

Thank you, great content 👍

[@jonathanmcfadden4241]

boombap 180bpm?

[@heartbrekabiblestunna5585]

Please I'm young boy from ghana and I chose you to be my idol ❤❤❤❤

[@TheTonyTitan]

Is it just me or does double time make your loop sound more repetitive? 🤔

[@danielmartinez5516]

discovered your channel a few weeks ago, learned so much from your videos already. thank you so much, so appreciated

[@NavieD]

Happy to have you on board Daniel

[@mohammadrezanajjar7529]

At double time most of the arps are so fast and have to be halftimed and vice versa

[@levigrim8653]

Great video!!

[@bonesbilack6405]

Please can you give some tips to make these heavy reverbed kick like in this song shenie fogo blue hours . I would make a zulu type beat blended with ballads

[@LiminalStvte]

I would like to know, when you producing in double time. will melodies also be in double time, like 16 bars, or do people typically make the melodies in normal time while drums are in Dbl Time?

[@GGman2019]

depends on the person making it but if you make the melody using regular time and then do the drums in double time its gonna sound off some

[@omega3battyacid878]

It just me or navy bulked up a bit more? Looking good fam

[@NavieD]

😘

[@wolfdrayvus101]

Trying to picture drill at 70 bpm 😭🤣

[@Gavigavs444]

for me i just like produceing in duble time

[@noahross6440]

Hey!! I’m new to FL Studio. At the end where you later your sounds into the same piano roll. How did you do this? This will really help me with my beat placement.

[@wb3213]

Use FPC drum machine in FL

[@haonrepulsor2227]

thank you. only I can't find it. and to understand it myself. adjust the beat by vocal. always beat me fast than vocals. it's good for me but not for others. and then they tell you not to kick in the key. it's not you bass in the key. melody too fast. Heeelp! I think I'm doing a good beat. but they have those little things that ruin everything for me.

[@liamwilkins1332]

Wat about j dilla??

[@NoID3333]

🙏🏾

[@coldwindz8413]

Big 💎 !

[@ivanserraventoso9505]

What is video game playing at the begging of your videos Nav ?

[@sebaswegman9433]

Half time or double time are more explaining the accentuations of the song, it could change some things. I would inply the biggest change is accuracy when fine tuning sound in deviating times. Also it changes timed plugins, a 8th delay will sound diffrent in 75 bpm and 150bpm. It can also have an effect on the song in a way that when you play the same kick and sidechain it in double or halftime and play a bass and sidechain the kick to the bass. The kick would be longer in the faster bpm if not streched and could hold sidechain longer(if i am not mistaken) Yea the drums should relatively to the other elements be longer in one and shorter in the other and sidechain compression could be affected, there for shure are more changes this whas the first that came to mind.

[@x1joyboy]

Honestly

[@Rose-gi5xx]

I used to only produce in double time. Then one day I challenged myself to produce in single time only. What I learned from this is that it was all in my head and there is no difference. My preference now is to produce in single time. Simply because it reminds me the only limits you have are the ones you put on yourself. Challenging my own limitations is how I improved

[@av4826]

So confused why you're not able to subdivide without doubling BPM. Just seems ridiculous to me. Do you all really need to snap to bars to make your beats? Sad.

[@dakehami]

What's the difference between 6/8 and 3/4 time signature?

[@Freethoughtexchange]

Absolutely nothing. 3/4 is one phrase and 6/8 is doubled, two phrases. A guitar part may be written in 6/8 for a drum pattern using 3/4. Same timing

[@dakehami]

@@Freethoughtexchange thanks very much

[@prodglace]

me watching this on 1.5x speed 😬

[@fin9k]

drill is 140-150 smh

[@prod_by_gabe9972]

I usually just use tap tempo which works for me!

[@MMAMidora]

Was just looking for a vid like this. Would you reccomend for a beginner to just work in one bpm range to start out?

[@vecvan]

a pro ps genre nonsense, don't fix on a cover before you write tbe book

[@kehkehd646]

Even if it’s the exact same the idea of producing trap in single time just disgust me😭

[@macmoll]

Producing in Double Time is like sex without a condom. Either way it’s sex but without a condom “just feels better”… but you may get someone pregnant. Same with Double Time… someone might end up pregnant. Just sayin.

[@grb2015]

This is the way how to sound like every other producer

[@mvrtin3682]

Ffffyaaaaa

[@snapstradamus888]

Most producers are like 19 years old, overhyper kids bouncing off walls

[@vamplink7295]

What’s that gotta do with anything

[@snapstradamus888]

@@vamplink7295 Everything

[@jamarskeete2851]

I usually make Trap beats in double time so I can get faster hi hats on the step sequencer and don't have to go in the piano roll, just a workflow thing tho

[@sussybaka7738]

Yeah me too

[@soultabs]

I wish i had someone showing me your no nonsense approach when i was starting (2004). Very good material you are offering the community. Peace

[@mezt9918]

I'm on team double time. The reason being, hi hats play at 1/8 value (in trap) and 1/8 dotted (in drill) as opposed to 1/16 and 1/16 dotted in single time, which makes making rolls easier as you would only really go down to 1/64 as opposed to 1/128 (an option that isn't even available in Logic, my daw)

[@grb2015]

same here same reason

[@giancarlo418]

Same

[@jungalistix]

Came here to post this :D

[@danatello8489]

This makes sense. Now I know why so many trap beats are double time. I use FL & yeah it only goes to 1/6 step and not 1/8 step (128th).

[@eshaan3977]

so if you make boom bap stuff, do you choose bpms like 160,180, or if you go west coast, do you choose 200,210?

[@5Marchan]

imo the only difference between single and double time is in the feel that the metronome gives if you let the metronome plays in the background while you're composing, you might find different rythmic ideas at single and double time

[@NavieD]

I see your point, of it sparking different ideas. My point in the video was that technically speaking, whatever you create in double time can be created in single time.

[@lvm3034]

Agreed sometimes the hi hat in double time can be too much. The pop range of 130 creates the best bounce and best sounding hi hats 👌

[@maowcat1587]

You can replicate the change in metronome in some DAWs by changing the time signature from x/4 to x/8. From what I've heard FL Studio DOES NOT do this, but my DAW (Reaper) does. As an aside, you can work in some whacky time signatures that will also give you a unique feel. I recently made a beat that felt in 4/4 time, but the DAW was set at 17/8. I could place notes on the grid within that time signature and get a natural swing by virtue of how that grid aligns mathematically with 4/4. 4 bars of 17/8 gets you 17 bars of 4/4 (4/8), which gets you some uncommon loops.

[@chosenonebeats]

Or you can just change the timing of the metronome

[@lvm3034]

@@brainderp808 160 hihat 2 step pattern is ok to me personally but it’s subjective I suppose. I prefer 120-150 with a 2 step. Any higher I prefer either unique hihats or a 4 step

[@CONSCIENTENOBEAT]

some synth presets with time-based effects and modulation may also sound different at lower or higher BPMs, this sometimes makes a difference in creating melodic compositions and chord progressions as well

[@TheCoolerEndrx]

me: *laughs in 1044 bpm*

[@ScumCoreSounds]

I think the only difference is how many beats per minute are played. You can create the same drum groove with both 80 BPM and 160 BPM. They will sound the same although the beat at 160 BPM will count and include everything that lands on the offbeat. Similar to how you can switch from 8th notes to 16th notes hi hat pattern in order to increase the energy all whilst keeping within the same tempo.

[@MarkTBeats]

I don't know, about other people. But at one point I was like " what happens if I make a trap beat at 75 bpm?" And it felt WAY❗ better because I had more room. So I guess you were right. Thanks for your time and effort Mr Naive 🙏

[@imakebeatsxwillfrmda6230]

I use any thing between 70 and 240 and I mostly make trapish beats

[@GGman2019]

dj pain 1 has plenty trap beats in the 70's bpm

[@scoobertmcruppert2915]

Single time gives you less room though and not more???

[@mindmazebeats3568]

Don't be like him LOL

[@MarkTBeats]

@@scoobertmcruppert2915 ?

[@highoffclorox2071]

Don’t base your music off a certain bpm .. every song / beat has there own feel.. this why music sucks now everything is the same tempo and key

[@ekut1922]

Double time because I like the feeling of space, I get claustrophobic in single time although I think my drum patterns are always more unique when working in single time but I think that's just some weird psychology thing for me

[@3rdARKnight]

Same here

[@luz8615]

I use a low BPM to create every beat I make 75 BPM helps me create better melodies I don’t aim for a genre really I just load up a sound and play some notes and just find the right vibe for whatever sound or sample I stumble upon and then add drums, fx, and mix it a bit but not too much that’s for the artist or engineer also working 1 on 1 with the artist while making the music really helps by speeding up your creative process or brainstorming for new ideas

[@jameswhite4709]

If you hold "alt" while you stretch your midi, it will do it in "snap to grid" style by percentages.

[@seanarooni]

thanks

[@haze_lee]

i never produced any higher than 120, i mostly produce halftime including trap but i mostly do lofi and ballads so its a habit of me already

[@JackJohnaon]

Where do you place the kicks and snares in double time ? Do you make your beats in 4 bar pattern’s instead of 2?

[@3rdARKnight]

Yes

[@subtracktion]

The "actual, technical difference" is PPQ (pulses per quarter) or PPQN (pulses per quarter note). All sequencers split time into intervals that have a set resolution. 96 PPQ is a fairly common resolution, especially for old hardware sequencers. This means each quarter note is split into 96 divisions. Even when you record "unquantized" a midi note has to fall on one of those 96 divisions. So the higher the resolution, the better a sequencer is at capturing a performance accurately. Doubling the BPM is a trick to get more resolution out of the sequencer. It's been around since the days when hardware was the only thing available. Most software has higher resolution PPQ by default or allows you to change it.

[@Mehlo1212]

is trippling okay? Ive heard prodstalk abt tripplingit but sounds crazy

[@evsanger]

This is the real sauce right here

[@subtracktion]

@@Mehlo1212 Theoretically, multiplying the tempo will give you continuously higher PPQ resolution. Although it's probably easier to just change the MIDI clock setting (if possible) rather than programming at a super fast BPM. But is it necessary? A lot of DAWs these days do 960 PPQ and some people tend to think you don't need more than that. At a certain point the difference is imperceptible to the human ear. You probably don't need such a high resolution, depending on what type of music you're doing. All types of Hip Hop have been made for decades with 96 PPQ or lower. The SP-1200 has a resolution of 24 PPQ and people love the swing of it. It might be more beneficial to experiment with less BPM and see what happens. :)

[@Devezin]

I make beats in Reaper I use normal time. Because their grid can go to 1/512 with swing, dotted or triplet. Most daws stop at 1/64. If I make beats on mpc I use double time to get higher resolution. If I want swing there I use 1/8 swing which is essentially 1/16 swing. Bpms are just for the grid makes no difference to the sound to me

[@GoodxJ]

Nature Gang! I like the plants!!!!!! 🌳🌱

[@moleedaboi]

This is an extremely subjective topic.

[@arizonateac]

dont overthink shit

[@maplefoxx6285]

you composed the music for My friend Pedro? nice, that game is pretty cool. That was an odd midi trick you did there in FL select all notes but you dragged it like how you drag WAV files, I am uncertain if I can do that in my DAW reaper but I am guessing i can, probably just one of the million hidden options lol. Everything is hiding in reaper.

[@youngbilofi5836]

What about lofi trap whats is the best BPM for lofi trap

[@notaveryversace]

I feel like the only difference is how the music is counted. 70bpm IS in a way 140bpm

[@AutPen38]

Yeah, you can use a 140bpm grid in FLS, but if you're making a trap beat it's still going to literally have 70 beats per minute. The double time (140bpm grid) just gives you more lines on the grid, so it's useful for programming those fast hi-hat patterns.

[@sinpadd]

hyperpop can definitely be higher than 150-170 bpm

[@EricMartin.]

I think about half / double time when it comes to delay throws

[@BombstractGnome]

Y’all, just hum a melody you like and tap that tempo to it and go. Quit overthinking it. No one gives a shit what bpm your song is.

[@HellaBeatsOfficial]

I love when Kenny beats said he makes trap in 90bpm sometimes because most people don’t!

[@laughinggooner4271]

I have always wondered how double time and single time affect how a note is articulated especially for a one shot like our drums. Just looking at the settings on the generic sampler on FL studio would suggest that playing around with the BPM in such a manner might affect how one shots are articulated. The suggestion that you can feel a difference in the beat may come from that fact that drums in double time are more punchy as they are essentially being played for a shorter amount of time, while at single time the drums play a little longer so there is less punch.

[@NavieD]

That would only be different if you were using Stretch mode I believe

[@laughinggooner4271]

@@NavieD thank you.

[@iteli]

Dope thing is u can always change your BPM and adjust your beat. i normally have a tempo in my head when im starting or i just adjust it till i feel a vibe.

[@eskilekern2670]

One of the most helpful guys on yt, keep ut the good work man