Baddiel being racist again

[@Talkathon408]

Replace the word gypsy for Jew and see how that goes down.

[@PHlophe]

it would not even be aired . whew !

[@musti12312]

Sadly you can say what you like about gypsies and not see your reputation tarnished. This was clear in the referendum.

[@claudiaxander]

Inbreeding is bad for mental and physical health. The risks are compounded over the generations. This can be seen where consanguinity is most prevalent: Aristocratic, Rural, Religious and Traditionally nomadic societies, with peaks of frequency amongst Islamic nations (Pashtun/Taliban highest ) and Gypsy, Roma and Traveller communities. This gradual erosion of once great peoples must stop.

[@sarahjessicafarter7383]

@@evilroyslade1099 Since when have low intelligence old white men been a race?

[@danielx3972]

@@claudiaxander Thats alot of people your describing. Are you a jew?

[@bristowezt9751]

David Baddiel is a cringeworthy, unfunny comedian, with a track record of overt racism. His smugness whilst looking down on GRT community here makes me angry.

[@TsarOfTheStar]

Weird thing to say about your own daughter!

[@kingrsingh]

Yeah. Check his hard drive.

[@BLTKellys]

He is such a vile human being. Privileged and entitled.

[@alexs1002]

sorry kanye

[@BLTKellys]

@@alexs1002 they are both cut from the same cloth.

[@sonny1987100]

I could not agree MORE!!! So it's OK for a smug middle class Jewish man to to racist - but not a White, working person - how does that work then?

[@vestibulate]

But if you protest against apartheid- now that's racist, mate.

[@vestibulate]

I understand that Baddiel has issued the standard apology these many years later. What I would find more to the point is some explanation of why he donned racist trappings on a publicly funded nation-wide television programme to ridicule an athlete not just once but on numerous successive occasions. Why did he do it at all, and why did he persist in repeating the act? Baddiel isn't exactly stupid, and he's certainly well educated. He did all this to a young man who was suddenly in the spotlight but who was in no position to answer back or effectively protest. It would be instructive for many, and perhaps even for Baddiel, to have him actually try to explain his thinking at the time. Apologies are drafted by PR companies and peddled on every tabloid page. All they mean is- with few exceptions- "I've got to get this millstone off my neck". But I've seen no indication that Baddiel is willing or capable of seriously looking into his own actions and motivations in this matter.

[@toolatehello3345]

Everyone has said something racist we're not proud of. I think if you apologise for it ,it should be accepted.

[@epsilonalphaargo1948]

@too late hello That's right, how was Baddiel to know that it was racist? It had only been 25 years since The Black and White Minstrel Show got pulled from the airwaves for being racist.

[@toolatehello3345]

@@epsilonalphaargo1948 There are 2 things here. 1: Real racism has intent. I believe this was a racist act without intentional racism. 2: Baddiel has apologised and met with the footballer in question and both are now okay with each other. I don't believe there's a person alive who has not said or done something in their past they wished they hadn't. I think if you apologise for it , it should be accepted with a spirit of forgiveness.

[@epsilonalphaargo1948]

@too late hello So if you killed one of my siblings and begrugingly apologised for it 25 years later soley because you had a book deal to promote, you think I should accept your apology and have no ill will towards you whatsoever? Well, you'd be dead wrong. If you did kill one of my siblings, I would hunt you down and then send you on your way to Hell.

[@vestibulate]

@@toolatehello3345 "Real racism"? Is there an unreal variety? An abstract or artificial form of racism that isn't "real"? The question of intent is a subjective one and a red herring. Under such a confused definition anybody can deploy a racist trope- to use one of Baddiel's favourite terms- and claim it wasn't meant in a racist fashion. What's that about? Dave didn't just slip up one time, by the way. He quite intentionally applied racist ridicule week after week against this young athlete. To do this, he had to have sat down, written out the material for these sketches, conferred with his producer and his co-star, gotten into the makeup chair and instructed a technician on how he wanted to look for the performance, gotten feedback each week from friends, colleagues and members of the public, read reviews of his work discussing his portrayal of the footballer, etc. In other words, there was nothing unconscious or inadvertent in his behaviour. He knew exactly what he was doing and had to have had a clear idea of its effect in licensing toxic attitudes towards race in Britain. Baddiel had a large following and institutional stature, and he furthered his career mightily by putting a pinapple on his head and blacking up. It actually became what he was celebrated for. As for his apology, he sure took his time. More than two decades, it would seem. He had a new project claiming victimhood at the hands of racists and decided he'd better try to clear the air of a stink that just wouldn't go away.

[@lesblack8996]

Where's the racist part?

[@itskarl7575]

The bit about "East European prostitute" and "gypsy". It's not that it's terribly eyebrow-raising, except that Baddiel is hypersensitive to anything that might possibly be construed as anti-semitic.

[@lesblack8996]

@@itskarl7575 oh …… so yet another ‘victim’ with a persecution complex then. This decade’s norm.

[@dobr4481]

What Baddiel fails to understand is that a book called 'Gypsies Don't Count' would never become an amazon best seller. The Nazis exterminated Gypsies, an ethnic group who have been & continue to be persecuted throughout the World, the difference being that, unlike Jews, Gypsies have no power, no influence & are not deemed 'worthy victims' like Jewish people. A better title for Baddiel's book would be 'Jews Get A Pass', given that they can be as racist as they like with no consequences. I remember seeing Jackie Mason on a US news programme claiming that Jesse Jackson 'liked & encouraged anti Black racism' as it gave him 'something to do'. Mason also refused to be on a comedy bill with a comic of Palestinian heritage. Did he get 'cancelled' or even censured for these comments? Of course he didn't, Jews can't be racist can they?

[@brianm2881]

The title of Baddiel's book isn't 'Jews Can't be Racist', so that's a strawman argument. I'm sure that Baddiel would concede the point that Jewish people can, in fact, be racist. It has nothing to do with his current book, however, whose central thesis is that Jews aren't considered a proper minority partly because of the power and influence they are sometimes perceived to have and so anti-Semitism isn't treated with the same seriousness as other kinds of racism. That's going to be a controversial statement. It's going to get a few backs up. Ultimately, people who take issue would probably be better off reading the book and arguing the points found within rather gathering around a 'gotcha' video from 20 years ago.

[@brianm2881]

@@elbobinho The person I was responding to was bringing Baddiel's new book into the argument. By all means, one can make the argument that Baddiel is a hypocrite, but I never like that thing of using ad hominem attacks or strawman arguments to invalidate a point or points that somebody is making. The points should be addressed head on.

[@suomi5454]

Living in Europe people in America probably don't know how bad racism against gyspys are I live in Finland they're called Mustalainens "Blacks" being openly racist towards them is the norm, they will not be hired for a job, rented to and everything is blamed on them although they have been here maybe hundreds of years and do bar is right there are no anti gyspy discrimination groups, they have 0 power or influence. You never here of the 2nd WW solution for the gyspys was to exterminate them as well, Baddiels skin and hair tone much different from ethnic Finns its very possible he could be mistaken for a Gypsy I don't see the humour in saying haha Im not a Gypsy Im Jewish gotcha! And the relieved shop clerk less likely to assume he's there to steal things and all having a big laugh. Now this guys an anti-racist spokesman?

[@dan32113]

@@brianm2881 how many Irish travellers are CEO of investment Banks, Film Studios, Newspapers. None! How many Jewish people are, quite a few. Also quite a few Jewish people are/have been head of IMF, world Bank etc.. Both are minority groups but you cannot compare the influence of Travellers/Gypsies to that of Jewish people.

[@vinnyvasquez]

Great comment

[@cardigan3000]

whats being lost in the Baddiel racism row is what terrible bullies he and skinner were in their show - some of the stuff they used to say to statto was well beyond banter

[@orlandotrustfullandhiscosm4110]

One rule for Jays..another for gentiles.

[@claudiaxander]

Inbreeding is bad for mental and physical health. The risks are compounded over the generations. This can be seen where consanguinity is most prevalent: Aristocratic, Rural, Religious and Traditionally nomadic societies, with peaks of frequency amongst Islamic nations (Pashtun/Taliban highest ) and Gypsy, Roma and Traveller communities. This gradual erosion of once great peoples must stop.

[@OfficialFingazMC]

Have I missed something?

[@loxism72]

Racism is the belief that the group you belong to is superior than all the others. Only one genocide matters, only one form of racism matters. The native American holocaust was one hundred million. ONE hundred million. Why doesn't that count? The African holocaust, holodomor, great hunger, Maoris, Aborigines, Africans, billions, have all suffered. But only Jewish suffering matters.

[@DarkShroom]

what "african holocaust"?? maybe because there is no such official label of any, it's just your opinion it's always conviniant your holocausts involve such round numbers.... exactly one hundread million.... uh huh i can count all the people that died since a certain time point and apparently prove that the europeans killed 100'000'000 people... bullshit, it's made up by the guardian.... if 100'000'000 people where killled you'd have mass graves so high we would literally just have piles and piles of skeletons

[@Tess78uk]

If I was God, and I wanted to test the moral worth of my followers, I’d tell them they were special - chosen people. Then I’d watch how they treated others.

[@loxism72]

@@Tess78uk do you know how many genocides were funded by the little hats?

[@AuthenticCity]

​@Tess78uk you clearly don't think like God 😂

[@Tess78uk]

@@AuthenticCity I don’t presume to know how God thinks. But I do know anyone who backs genocide is a morally bankrupt tyrant, deity or otherwise.

[@Grimlock2012]

I'm confused, can somebody explain to me which parts are racist?

[@bennykrebschristensen5215]

Today if you include other races in your jokes/stories you are automatically being racist, if someone born after 2000 does not get it "it did not age well" and is problematic, the best thing you can do is ignore all other groups and enjoy things that are actually funny in private, as if you are listening to illegal radio in a war zone.

[@cityzens634]

I’ve heard Jews saying Irish people are thick

[@Tess78uk]

Is there a single minority group he WON’T make offensive comments about??? Oh yeah. Just that one which actually affects him personally. 🙄

[@medalion1390]

What kind of key opens any lock? A _pie key_ IT’S JUST A JOKE! YOU KNOW, LIKE ON TOP GEAR!

[@europainvicta3907]

This bloke blacked up on national TV in the 1990s and still has a career.

[@colincolin5696]

I love how angry these comments are getting 😅 maybe don’t watch it then? You victims

[@beverlyhills8988]

It's actually funny, but he's a hypocrite if he cant handle his lot getting criticised.

[@adz124ps]

"Gypsy" and "Pikey" were not deemed racist words in the era Badiel said them. This is an example of cancel culture.

[@adz124ps]

Having said that, Baddiel is most definitely a racist though

[@jamesthecat]

Absolutely, & it's clearly an act of solidarity, done in an honest & funny (oh sorry, I mean clumsy, thoughtless, etc) anecdote. People not seeing this as an effective way to highlight prejudice is just willful ignorance.

[@andrewburnett4931]

Yes they were and your ignorance of that says more about you both than you would like to admit.

[@jamesthecat]

@@andrewburnett4931 No, one of them was offensive (the other often romantic, and very much 'owned' by the traditional, as opposed to the 'new age'), but something tells me you won't admit *your* ignorance. The offensive one is *obviously* what the snooty shop owner would call him in that context (remember that?) if you're arguing in good faith, that is, and not going for the kind of cheap gotcha that this hothouse culture currently enables. It also encourages exactly the kind of facile, speculative suspicion of people that you demonstrate so perfectly here, and which makes cancel culture so horribly pernicious and ultimately self-defeating. By all means police terms from your bandwagon & I'll continue to make points about the fundamental nature of subtle forms of prejudice & we'll see which is more effective. Thanks all the same for the sentiment, tho - it's the thought that counts, eh?

[@bristowezt9751]

@@jamesthecatwhat ever you’ve been smoking, I want some. But seriously, this isn’t an act of solidarity with the GRT community. One of my parents, although now settled for 40 years, comes from a traveller background. Nothing is more offensive than using language as Baddiel uses here. I’ve read his book Jews Don’t Count, and it taught me a great deal about why some racisms are actively focused on than others. However he stops short of recognising there are myriad communities, such as GRT, that don’t have any power or platform to highlight the day-to-day racisms experienced.

[@magnusgrimmett2411]

Everyone is such a poom poom these days. It’s ok to make jokes.

[@dathekingofguildwars]

Getting upset about somethingthat happened year's ago 😂

[@jamesmccutcheon-r5v]

like the holocaust ?

[@urbananalysis380]

Imagine 2 different words were used

[@joystickjonjo]

David Baddiel: Jews Don’t count, Channel 4 21st Nov 2022

[@notanumber1311]

When he apologizes to Jason Lee I really hope Jason tells him to stick it and demand reparations for ever and bans Baddiel from mentioning pineapples or haircuts or black people ever again with threat of prosecution.

[@vestibulate]

@@notanumber1311 You can relax. The man never asked Baddiel for anything. Most people have too much awareness to expect anything from David Baddiel but narcissistic posturing.

[@notanumber1311]

@@vestibulate Sarah Silverman on international Television: "If we ran the media wouldn't we have better PR?" How much PR do you need Sarah? The fact your own brand of unfunny race baiting "humour" is still given any media platform at all is evidence enough of the Cabal that runs it.

[@krishnan-resurrection714]

more propaganda for THEM . .. .

[@josephmills-mw2hs]

Toilet humour

[@keithskegwin]

?

[@craiglittle1437]

Yawn

[@beaubaber1662]

😂

[@nomore6939]

Not Racist at all ....

[@maltesetony9030]

Given the horrendous genocidal onslaught by Israel in Gaza since October 2023, I do hope that the boy Baddiel is planning a follow-up to his book, "Jews Don't Count" - "Palestinians Don't Count", perhaps?

[@pauliewalnuts5803]

Not that racist he is a unfunny Jew however

[@nicholasfarrer1032]

Boo hoo

[@malcymal]

He’s not being racist again , he was racist; you contextualise this in your title as the present. Just watching him on tv cringingly apologising to Jason Lee; so awkward. Desperately trying to salvage his career by making amends by his own self healing agenda . I wouldn’t forgive him , racism is learned behaviour and why now come clean ?

[@artair70]

womp womp

[@RobertWilletts-yk1yv]

Political correctness gone mad woke woke woke.

[@AC-hw5rs]

No one cares

[@vestibulate]

A C I see you're speaking for No One again.

[@robp1041]

He’s right though 😆

[@vampireducks1622]

He's not right, he's just unpleasant.

[@successsystem2468]

@RobP right about what you twat?

[@artair70]

@@vampireducks1622 He is...Keep crying

[@rahuldahoob4513]

It's a JOKE

[@vestibulate]

It's actually not a joke. You may think it's amusing, but so's a train ride. A joke has structure, purpose, and an element of surprise. There's nothing surprising about David Baddiel casually mocking his social inferiors.

[@evilroyslade1099]

@@vestibulate It's a one liner, not much structure needed for a flippant one liner. Still looking for the racist bit though.

[@Georgeconna32]

Yawn......

[@benmacdui9328]

Pikeys arent a specific race , it means traveller.

[@donbrogan3158]

Which bit was wasist??

[@averyj5446]

the point is he is crying racism now, knowing he has a long history of racism.

[@vestibulate]

Don Brogan The racist bit.

[@donbrogan3158]

@@vestibulate where? I just heard an interview. DB is hardly going to be racist live on tv.

[@donbrogan3158]

@@averyj5446 DB has a long list of racism? Christ I didn't know? What's he be doing? Whatever he's done he certainly has a point in his documentaries,Jews don't count. Jews are fair game when it comes to jokes etc.

[@averyj5446]

@@donbrogan3158 he is a hypocrite, he degraded, financially benefited from the humiliation of blacks and gypsies for a whole decade. He stalked and racially abused his own school friend whose mother at the time was dying. I don't listen to hypocrites like that.

[@donbrogan3158]

I think a lot of people here are missing the point. You're all complaining about David for what he's done, but there is a lot of antisemitism that still goes on today and nobody cares, complains. It's fair game for Jews it seems.

[@vestibulate]

Don Brogan David has for years indulged in blatant racism as an element in his act. Lately he's added a new money-spinner, charging the general public with antisemitism. So now we have a rich, privileged celebrity claiming to be a victim of the sort of prejudice he's been making a living from. Nice work if you can get it.

[@donbrogan3158]

@@vestibulate don't just give an opinion,tell me what he's done that's been racist all these years. You're missing the point,you're all crying 'hes a racist' yet Jews can be mocked and ridiculed constantly even in 2022,yet no one says anything.

[@vestibulate]

@@donbrogan3158 You can't be unaware of David's oh-so-clever "Pineapple Head" send-up of a black footballer, which involved donning dreadlocks and blacking his face. That's made the news repeatedly. Here we have him mocking "Pikeys" and expressing his class superiority through his own expensive shopping habits. And now he's riding the confected antisemitism crisis with a tv special and best-selling book. And by the way, to claim that Jews (meaning in this case, Zionists) in Britain have no voice ("no one says anything") when the air has turned blue with smears emanating from Israeli front groups, a heavily publicised purge of leftists from Labour, and vitriolic attacks on defenders of Palestinian rights, is frankly absurd. Zionists are screaming into every media amplifier that they're being silenced, even as they carry out organised attacks on academics, artists and members of the general public to deprive them of reputation, employment and income. Finally, to charge me with merely offering an opinion when you've done nothing else here is comical.

[@donbrogan3158]

@@vestibulate I loved Fantasy Football and that Lee impression was brilliant and funny. He was scrap footballer twas rightly mocked. If he was mocking a white player,that's fine fine? But because he's black it's not ok. No chance,no one or thing is off limits. I personally wasn't offended by anything he's said. Lets keep the subject matter in hand. We're not talking about Muslims and Jews.

[@vestibulate]

@@donbrogan3158 "no one or thing is off limits" Except Jews.

[@claudiaxander]

Inbreeding is bad for mental and physical health. The risks are compounded over the generations. This can be seen where consanguinity is most prevalent: Aristocratic, Rural, Religious and Traditionally nomadic societies, with peaks of frequency amongst Islamic nations (Pashtun/Taliban highest ) and Gypsy, Roma and Traveller communities. This gradual erosion of once great peoples must stop.

[@suomi5454]

Your just mad at being the OG web sugar baby and not getting credit for it!

[@claudiaxander]

@@suomi5454 Don't know how to take that, do you like?

[@dan32113]

Are you aware, that there is inbreeding in orthodox Jewish community , the community is so small. The gene pool regressive, hence birth defects.

[@claudiaxander]

"Religious and traditionally nomadic"

[@dan32113]

@@claudiaxander Jewish community has serious problem with birth defects