Baker faces legal battle over same-sex cake in California

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@rickwyant
@rickwyant 8 ай бұрын
They probably shopped around till they found a baker who wouldn't bake the cake. So disingenuous.
@gigi6374
@gigi6374 8 ай бұрын
That was my first thought as well. The people who sued her went out looking to attack someone.
@torablack
@torablack 8 ай бұрын
Personally I do view this as a tricky situation. Under the 1st amendment we do have freedom of religion which should be protected. But at the same time we do have laws saying that a business cannot discriminate against customers based on their background.
@listlessvessels5
@listlessvessels5 8 ай бұрын
She could have owned the libs by just serving them, taking their money, then laughing behind their backs all the way to the bank. No one has ever accused a conservative of being a strategic thinker.
@winsomemartinez
@winsomemartinez 8 ай бұрын
​@@torablack Ikr
@GTILOUD
@GTILOUD 8 ай бұрын
​@@torablackyou're also an idiot
@EdieScheffer
@EdieScheffer 8 ай бұрын
There are a million bakery's in Cal that would love to have made their cake. Why do they have to try and bend her to their will?
@annebreitrick6116
@annebreitrick6116 8 ай бұрын
Publicity and Victimhood.
@torablack
@torablack 8 ай бұрын
it's against the law to discriminate against customers.
@Charlie_icu
@Charlie_icu 8 ай бұрын
Embarrassing you people... 😊
@listlessvessels5
@listlessvessels5 8 ай бұрын
If a business refused to serve maga you would be the first one screaming while slamming them on yelp.
@tommyzelle1312
@tommyzelle1312 8 ай бұрын
political prosecution
@jaydee_0079
@jaydee_0079 8 ай бұрын
WRONG QUESTION! Instead of asking "Why didn't she just bake the cake?" they should have asked "Why didn't the couple just accept the other baker?" The only intent can be to FORCE a person to act against their religious beliefs rather than to have a Wedding Cake.
@CrimsonSurvival
@CrimsonSurvival 8 ай бұрын
The right to refuse service to anyone, it’s her business.
@victorkowalski8237
@victorkowalski8237 8 ай бұрын
I am a business owner, not a lawyer, I like reading law. The law uses past decisions as a reference to try cases. The Supreme Court made ruling in regard to corporate rights. When it comes to corporations-they are treated as “persons” who are covered by the Equal Protection Clause (and Contracts Clause among others), but they are excluded from the definition of “citizens” under the Comity Clause. They’re not a citizen so they don’t have constitutional rights. If a developer receives federal or state then certain laws apply. It’s common in the development world to partner financially with the federal government. DJT experience this personally, the business was found violating Fair Housing laws. Discriminatory practices. Thoughts.
@matthewchick8908
@matthewchick8908 8 ай бұрын
So the baker is RIGHT. Thank you! ​@@victorkowalski8237
@ad-jj3yv
@ad-jj3yv 8 ай бұрын
This is the same legal argrument "white southerners" had in the 1950s and 60s....they would have happily agreed with your discriminatory logic.....hey, let's take it a step further and have businesses choose not to serve Jewish people.
@TTOCSSMITH
@TTOCSSMITH 8 ай бұрын
Discrimination is illegal.
@rickross4241
@rickross4241 8 ай бұрын
​@@TTOCSSMITH It's not discrimination. She isn't denying them a cake but she certainly can decide what kind of content she puts on her product.
@harefamily1
@harefamily1 8 ай бұрын
no ones forcing me to make something I don't believe in, whats become of this country.
@victorkowalski8237
@victorkowalski8237 8 ай бұрын
I am a business owner, not a lawyer, I like reading law. The law uses past decisions as a reference to try cases. The Supreme Court made ruling in regard to corporate rights. When it comes to corporations-they are treated as “persons” who are covered by the Equal Protection Clause (and Contracts Clause among others), but they are excluded from the definition of “citizens” under the Comity Clause. They’re not a citizen so they don’t have constitutional rights. If a developer receives federal or state then certain laws apply. Thoughts
@Dreamhelmet
@Dreamhelmet 8 ай бұрын
Sculptor - forced to make satanic idol!
@GTKJNow
@GTKJNow 8 ай бұрын
@@Dreamhelmet Amen. Why won't they bake dead baby brains on the cake. They wouldn't want to sue cuz I'd tell em about this verse: Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
@lakepal7912
@lakepal7912 8 ай бұрын
You go Cathy! And this is NOT the first case exactly like this. Bakery wins EVERYTIME
@goldbud2287
@goldbud2287 8 ай бұрын
@@MrMartinSchneider Why, did the democrats and FBI tell the bakery to bake it ?
@blu3collar949
@blu3collar949 8 ай бұрын
Of course the bakery wins. They can pass as many laws as the want to prevent decimation in hiring people but they can't do diddly to business that doesn't want to deal with a customer. They do have a right to refuse service to ANYONE.
@johnkolinoff8591
@johnkolinoff8591 8 ай бұрын
👍​@@blu3collar949
@bolandbert
@bolandbert 8 ай бұрын
Sure, go Cathy, we are proud of you and your Father is as well, praise God. Never bend the Truth, you faithful follower of Lord Jesus ✝️❤️ Lets fight this demonic Calif-hate coast state which is already lost.💩
@lakepal7912
@lakepal7912 8 ай бұрын
@@MrMartinSchneider well not really, but I get what you are saying
@judyeason299
@judyeason299 8 ай бұрын
Stand your ground. Keep your faith.
@victorkowalski8237
@victorkowalski8237 8 ай бұрын
I am a business owner, not a lawyer, I like reading law. The law uses past decisions as a reference to try cases. The Supreme Court made ruling in regard to corporate rights. When it comes to corporations-they are treated as “persons” who are covered by the Equal Protection Clause (and Contracts Clause among others), but they are excluded from the definition of “citizens” under the Comity Clause. They’re not a citizen so they don’t have constitutional rights. If a developer receives federal or state then certain laws apply. It’s common in the development world to partner financially with the federal government. DJT experience this personally, the business was found violating Fair Housing laws. Discriminatory practices. Thoughts.
@lisamannmann5559
@lisamannmann5559 8 ай бұрын
amen
@robertrainford6754
@robertrainford6754 8 ай бұрын
Religious views are are pure discrimination. There is no proof of god, so any sort of action used to not serve people under the excuse of religion is discriminatory. FYI I voted for the republicans, but this is something republicans need to stop.
@repunzalrepunzal6063
@repunzalrepunzal6063 8 ай бұрын
That baker better win! Full support for her!
@williamgallaher4566
@williamgallaher4566 8 ай бұрын
Leave this lady and her bakery alone.
@1Biswet
@1Biswet 8 ай бұрын
Nah we don’t like discrimination
@secondchance6603
@secondchance6603 8 ай бұрын
Go to a kebab shop and demand some bacon with your meal and see how it works out. All hell would break loose.
@GTKJNow
@GTKJNow 8 ай бұрын
@@1Biswet Why won't they bake dead baby brains on the cake. They wouldn't want to sue cuz I'd tell em about this verse: Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
@vikkinovak5114
@vikkinovak5114 8 ай бұрын
If I was forced to bake a cake, I would make it the worst and ugliest cake ever.
@jrculbertson7463
@jrculbertson7463 8 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@RobertLPeters1
@RobertLPeters1 8 ай бұрын
Forget a few ingredients
@nandy1256
@nandy1256 8 ай бұрын
Can you make it look grotesquely lewd so that you can make them realize how sinful they are?
@callistoscali4344
@callistoscali4344 8 ай бұрын
But it is not about the cake. It is about getting you to acquiesce to their LGBT ideology.
@DavidLucas-zq8gb
@DavidLucas-zq8gb 8 ай бұрын
@@RobertLPeters1 Or even add some ingredients, like spunk for example. They are freaky people make them a freaky cake. If they don't like it you can accuse them of not being open minded.
@ramonmirabal101
@ramonmirabal101 8 ай бұрын
California is upside down. Support the baker 100%.
@victorkowalski8237
@victorkowalski8237 8 ай бұрын
I am a business owner, not a lawyer, I like reading law. The law uses past decisions as a reference to try cases. The Supreme Court made ruling in regard to corporate rights. When it comes to corporations-they are treated as “persons” who are covered by the Equal Protection Clause (and Contracts Clause among others), but they are excluded from the definition of “citizens” under the Comity Clause. They’re not a citizen so they don’t have constitutional rights. If a developer receives federal or state then certain laws apply. Thoughts
@deborahw.5980
@deborahw.5980 8 ай бұрын
We ARE upside down. And, just remember, our governor is planning to become President and "fix" the country "California style." The rest of the country should be VERY afraid of that happening!
@annebreitrick6116
@annebreitrick6116 8 ай бұрын
If the cake baker was of a different religion, how would you feel about this situation? Viktorsv.
@ramonmirabal101
@ramonmirabal101 8 ай бұрын
@viktorsv8260 She needs a lot of support to fight the corrupt California government and the mentally sick Californians who support all this BS. She has the right to deny services to anyone she chooses not to serve. Plain and simple. I am pretty sure the final decision is going to be in her favor.
@karlynn7719
@karlynn7719 8 ай бұрын
So was her crucifix... 🤨
@greendesertrealestate
@greendesertrealestate 8 ай бұрын
This madness has to stop. Can't force this madness on us
@riceracm
@riceracm 8 ай бұрын
I am praying for Kathy. She has such a strong faith! 🙌🥰✝️🫡🙏
@victorkowalski8237
@victorkowalski8237 8 ай бұрын
I am a business owner, not a lawyer, I like reading law. The law uses past decisions as a reference to try cases. The Supreme Court made ruling in regard to corporate rights. When it comes to corporations-they are treated as “persons” who are covered by the Equal Protection Clause (and Contracts Clause among others), but they are excluded from the definition of “citizens” under the Comity Clause. They’re not a citizen so they don’t have constitutional rights. If a developer receives federal or state then certain laws apply. Thoughts
@victorkowalski8237
@victorkowalski8237 8 ай бұрын
It’s common among developers. DJT experienced this when he accepted a joint venture with federal funding, were claims of discrimination when renting to minorities.
@melissawright8084
@melissawright8084 8 ай бұрын
@anguswhat3850 i didn’t notice until I saw your comment. Weird, what’s up with that?
@travisgoesthere
@travisgoesthere 8 ай бұрын
Faith is not a reliable path to the truth. One should never be proud about believing impossible nonsense without evidence.
@jeffbrecht7623
@jeffbrecht7623 8 ай бұрын
@@travisgoesthere yet you believe science that is “proven” by somebody else that is not 100% sure of the outcome, just knows by an absolute probability. Right….
@westhillswood51
@westhillswood51 8 ай бұрын
Six years down the road and California is still chasing. Any real adult would have simply gone down the road and found another baker.
@RLD454C
@RLD454C 8 ай бұрын
​@viktorsv8260you are wrong
@guysmarket3285
@guysmarket3285 8 ай бұрын
Yes, just like it's your job to shut up and do everything the government tells you to do.
@dylanwillis5165
@dylanwillis5165 8 ай бұрын
That sound vaccinated.@viktorsv8260
@NomenClature-o8s
@NomenClature-o8s 8 ай бұрын
@viktorsv8260It has everything to do with her beliefs. I thought you leftists respected people who stood for their beliefs? Oh that right, you were lying all the time.
@xaviergms2225
@xaviergms2225 8 ай бұрын
​@viktorsv8260BULLSHIT.
@jamestucker3415
@jamestucker3415 8 ай бұрын
The supreme Court already said YOU DONT HAVE TO BAKE THAT CAKE.
@icantwiththis
@icantwiththis 8 ай бұрын
So its forced cake baking now?
@Jezballz
@Jezballz 8 ай бұрын
I would make it with saw dust like Jack did on Threes Company🙂
@torablack
@torablack 8 ай бұрын
Personally I do view this as a tricky situation. Under the 1st amendment we do have freedom of religion which should be protected. But at the same time we do have laws saying that a business cannot discriminate against customers based on their background.
@tommyzelle1312
@tommyzelle1312 8 ай бұрын
Yep.. that’s what communist states do
@torablack
@torablack 8 ай бұрын
@AlfonsoSnork Yes, businesses do have a right to refuse services, I never said they didn't. All I'm saying is just like we have freedom of speech/religion laws we also have anti discrimination laws.
@tdgdbs1
@tdgdbs1 8 ай бұрын
They forced landlord to give free housing for the last 4 years.
@Magajarhead1775
@Magajarhead1775 8 ай бұрын
And this group wonders why people are beginning to dislike them.
@FutureJ23
@FutureJ23 8 ай бұрын
@viktorsv8260your beliefs are just as full of S. Go bake your own cake.
@WayneGreen-b4y
@WayneGreen-b4y 8 ай бұрын
@viktorsv8260 Take your opinion, and shove it sideways.
@surlypiratewench1969
@surlypiratewench1969 8 ай бұрын
Is this the reason? BS
@NomenClature-o8s
@NomenClature-o8s 8 ай бұрын
@viktorsv8260 They don’t “just want a cake” you liar.
@thetruthchannel349
@thetruthchannel349 8 ай бұрын
@@NomenClature-o8s *Thats not just a 'commenter.'*
@judyfrank2551
@judyfrank2551 8 ай бұрын
Best of luck to Cathy. Persecution against Christians is on the rise and will continue to. I commend you for standing by your Lord and Saviour, Cathy.
@ChilaRosado
@ChilaRosado 8 ай бұрын
Amen and God will fight for his children 💯
@victorkowalski8237
@victorkowalski8237 8 ай бұрын
I am a business owner, not a lawyer, I like reading law. The law uses past decisions as a reference to try cases. The Supreme Court made ruling in regard to corporate rights. When it comes to corporations-they are treated as “persons” who are covered by the Equal Protection Clause (and Contracts Clause among others), but they are excluded from the definition of “citizens” under the Comity Clause. They’re not a citizen so they don’t have constitutional rights. If a developer receives federal or state then certain laws apply. Thoughts
@thomastaylor6699
@thomastaylor6699 8 ай бұрын
​@anguswhat3850Did you hear that "she loved her Lord and savior very much? Don't try and cause problems.
@JamesMilne-hi2ot
@JamesMilne-hi2ot 8 ай бұрын
A country that is 63% Christian is persecuting Christians? Whine much?
@uncleogrimacy
@uncleogrimacy 8 ай бұрын
Who's gonna enforce it? Texas gave everyone the green light to ignore courts 😂😂😂😂😂
@coffee-xg6my
@coffee-xg6my 8 ай бұрын
People ask, "Why not just bake the cake?" Well, the same question should be asked of that couple, Why not just take Cathy up on her offer to arrange for another bakery bake it for you?
@Kyle-sr6jm
@Kyle-sr6jm 8 ай бұрын
Because Alphabet mafia activists search for these businesses to attack.
@1Biswet
@1Biswet 8 ай бұрын
People don’t want this slippery slope to lead into businesses discriminating against anyone they please. How is this different than refusing service because of the color of a persons skin?
@moonbeam2062
@moonbeam2062 8 ай бұрын
@@1Biswet Its different because the Constitution doesn't protect discriminating against a person because of the color of their skin. But It DOES protect a person's the right to operate according to their religious beliefs. And keep in mind, Cathy wasn't trying to prohibit the couple from getting a cake baked. That's why she offered to refer them to another bakery to do the cake for them. (A perfectly fair offer on her part) But the couple refused. Instead of just going to the other bakery to get their cake baked they apparently just wanted to harrass Cathy for her decision and make a big stink out of the situation for media attention. Just getting their cake baked obviously wasn't their main priority. But anyway, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (RFRA), does not allow the government to pass laws or regulations that would hinder one’s ability to freely exercise his or her religion. It provides business owners the right to refuse service to customers based on the owner’s religious beliefs and whether fulfilling the customer’s request would cause the business owner to sacrifice these beliefs. Also, in 2014, the Supreme Court decided that laws that contradict or interfere with a business’ right to exercise religious freedom may be unconstitutional and impermissible.
@robroman1773
@robroman1773 8 ай бұрын
The simple fact of this case still remains that this bakery is a private business that can refuse service to anyone for any reason. Now, if she were incorporated, that’s a different story, but she owns a private business and that’s the end of it. How did this even get accepted into an American court?
@thetruthchannel349
@thetruthchannel349 8 ай бұрын
*Because a VIRUS called the C EYE A has infiltrated COURTS & LAWFIRMS.*
@Kyle-sr6jm
@Kyle-sr6jm 8 ай бұрын
You cannot compel someone to violate their faith.
@boudicca272
@boudicca272 8 ай бұрын
Anyone who demands that someone take their money to bake a cake they don't want to bake is a fool or an attention seeking infant.
@torablack
@torablack 8 ай бұрын
Personally I do view this as a tricky situation. Under the 1st amendment we do have freedom of religion which should be protected. But at the same time we do have laws saying that a business cannot discriminate against customers based on their background.
@DonandtheredhatMaggies
@DonandtheredhatMaggies 8 ай бұрын
😂😂 hey.. look over here while Donnie grifts all of your hard earned money
@boudicca272
@boudicca272 8 ай бұрын
@@DonandtheredhatMaggies 👈🏽 another neurotic squirrel.
@RobertLPeters1
@RobertLPeters1 8 ай бұрын
@@DonandtheredhatMaggies some people start their day with a cup of coffee. Triggered desperate cultist can’t stop themselves from threads and whine
@patriotpatrol3709
@patriotpatrol3709 8 ай бұрын
"Winner, winner, chicken dinner"....Attention seeking infant was the correct answer.... Would you like to try "forced compliance" for 500???
@physalisgp0265
@physalisgp0265 8 ай бұрын
This is ridiculous. Go to a different bakery!!
@coyotedust
@coyotedust 8 ай бұрын
The Alphabet Soup Mafia does this with wedding photographers as well.
@MyBizOnlu
@MyBizOnlu 8 ай бұрын
They di this crud everywhere they go
@chadmanske9785
@chadmanske9785 8 ай бұрын
Right to refuse service to anyone is a thing
@plotshift
@plotshift 8 ай бұрын
Yeah it was a big thing in the south if you remember for a very long time, still is in some places
@reliablereindeer
@reliablereindeer 8 ай бұрын
You guys would be crying if a MAGA couple was denied service
@listlessvessels5
@listlessvessels5 8 ай бұрын
If the ruling stands then I won't serve MAGA in my business, cuts both ways. However I have high end business in a thriving blue city, MAGA couldn't afford my products anyway, so.
@torablack
@torablack 8 ай бұрын
Personally I do view this as a tricky situation. Under the 1st amendment we do have freedom of religion which should be protected. But at the same time we do have laws saying that a business cannot discriminate against customers based on their background.
@NomenClature-o8s
@NomenClature-o8s 8 ай бұрын
@@plotshiftYes the Democrat controlled South back then was extremely racist.
@AndreaDoesYoga
@AndreaDoesYoga 8 ай бұрын
Praying for your courage, Cathy.
@torablack
@torablack 8 ай бұрын
Personally I do view this as a tricky situation. Under the 1st amendment we do have freedom of religion which should be protected. But at the same time we do have laws saying that a business cannot discriminate against customers based on their background.
@listlessvessels5
@listlessvessels5 8 ай бұрын
Send your prayers down below, that's where her God resides.
@listlessvessels5
@listlessvessels5 8 ай бұрын
Conservative Xtian's "We're constantly attacked and discriminated against!" Also conservative Xtians: "We're not baking your cake!"
@PeggyBlair-k9g
@PeggyBlair-k9g 8 ай бұрын
​​@@listlessvessels5 What you say is not True. God almighty is in Heaven, that's who her God is! The one you speak of so easily is the devil, he lives in Hell along with all of your friends.
@nandy1256
@nandy1256 8 ай бұрын
I do agree that in this clip freedom of religion is being trampled upon. But I definitely don't believe that the mango Mussolini believes in Jesus Christ. Actually I believe he knows that many Christians can easily be fooled.
@josephinehlaisi5660
@josephinehlaisi5660 8 ай бұрын
Stand firm on God’s Word
@philalexander7902
@philalexander7902 8 ай бұрын
"Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself." Matthew 22:39
@NomenClature-o8s
@NomenClature-o8s 8 ай бұрын
@@philalexander7902 Look up that reference and discover who the “neighbor” was. 🙄
@josephinehlaisi5660
@josephinehlaisi5660 8 ай бұрын
@@philalexander7902 it does not mean I have to affirm sin. God said rebuke one another. The Bible said without righteousness no one will see Lord. Sin is forbidden in the Bible
@JamesMilne-hi2ot
@JamesMilne-hi2ot 8 ай бұрын
By supporting a ray pist like Trump?
@josephinehlaisi5660
@josephinehlaisi5660 8 ай бұрын
⁠@@JamesMilne-hi2ot- what does it have to do with Trump. Your problem is with the God of Israel.
@josephdennis4065
@josephdennis4065 8 ай бұрын
Alphabet people. You want to be included and accepted but yet you are not helping your situation by doing this kind of stuff.
@davemaurer7341
@davemaurer7341 8 ай бұрын
Fck alphabeters
@elderlymanpoormemorybullseye
@elderlymanpoormemorybullseye 8 ай бұрын
LJHS has tampons in the boys' restrooms, CA is lost.
@Charlie_icu
@Charlie_icu 8 ай бұрын
Says a MAGAt with 2 first names... 😂😂❤
@ThomasOaxaca-zo7qf
@ThomasOaxaca-zo7qf 8 ай бұрын
​@@Charlie_icuplease stop your ignorant and foolish comments
@torablack
@torablack 8 ай бұрын
Personally I do view this as a tricky situation. Under the 1st amendment we do have freedom of religion which should be protected. But at the same time we do have laws saying that a business cannot discriminate against customers based on their background.
@patmichael8519
@patmichael8519 8 ай бұрын
Remember this all started with "we just want to get married".
@1Biswet
@1Biswet 8 ай бұрын
Dude why are you so soft? Lmao
@TruthFiction
@TruthFiction 8 ай бұрын
No, it started with "We demand that you bake our cake and nothing will change our minds, even if it costs us tens of thousands in legal fees every time the court rules against us because we demand that society bend over backwards to be our biches."
@douglasbooth6836
@douglasbooth6836 8 ай бұрын
You cant force someone to make a cake.
@plotshift
@plotshift 8 ай бұрын
B***h get in that kitchen I wanna see layers
@philalexander7902
@philalexander7902 8 ай бұрын
At the end of the day, that's what it will boil down to.
@NomenClature-o8s
@NomenClature-o8s 8 ай бұрын
@@philalexander7902 Good, make a horrible cake and deliver it late.
@philalexander7902
@philalexander7902 8 ай бұрын
@@NomenClature-o8s that's just stupid. You clearly have never run a business.
@NomenClature-o8s
@NomenClature-o8s 8 ай бұрын
@@philalexander7902 I have runs business. Liar.
@Brotherred1
@Brotherred1 8 ай бұрын
So obvious. I admire her and her fight.
@surlypiratewench1969
@surlypiratewench1969 8 ай бұрын
🙄
@tina6651.
@tina6651. 8 ай бұрын
Good for her for sticking to her beliefs! God bless her🙏🏼
@musicalhelp
@musicalhelp 8 ай бұрын
I only bow to the will of one creator.
@ndAd-bp2dz
@ndAd-bp2dz 8 ай бұрын
What happened to ? Having the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason . Key note : having the right !!
@mainetreelineruguess97
@mainetreelineruguess97 8 ай бұрын
Too many limousine liberal lawyers with too much free time on their hands. On the other hand, they were possibly influenced by the last of the dried up hippies of the 60s who went on to become law professors.
@kristinabolba1351
@kristinabolba1351 8 ай бұрын
SHE HAS A RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE.....SHE IS NOT A SLAVE. AND SHE HAS A RIGHT TO SAY NO........ MAKE YOUR OWN CAKE.
@allanmiller4972
@allanmiller4972 8 ай бұрын
'The state of CA has kinda lost its mind!' That's assuming gov. newsom EVER had one! 👎🤡💣😩
@rickslaye4234
@rickslaye4234 8 ай бұрын
It’s her bakery she has a right to make or not make any cake she wants! Only in California
@Valtteri-ew7ue
@Valtteri-ew7ue 8 ай бұрын
Just like any restaurant should haver right to not serve black people? Like any bus company should have right to have own seats for black people to separate them from whites? .. am I right? Right?
@annebreitrick6116
@annebreitrick6116 8 ай бұрын
Correct. It's artistic freedom.
@raymondjallen
@raymondjallen 8 ай бұрын
If you trust our government to respect your constitutional rights, then you are going to be disappointed.
@torablack
@torablack 8 ай бұрын
Personally I do view this as a tricky situation. Under the 1st amendment we do have freedom of religion which should be protected. But at the same time we do have laws saying that a business cannot discriminate against customers based on their background.
@raymondjallen
@raymondjallen 8 ай бұрын
@torablack true, but the free exercise clause in the 1st Amendment protects her rights even though I think Christiainty has no place in this country because the belief that it teaches is in contradiction with the constitution and our laws.
@Kyle-sr6jm
@Kyle-sr6jm 8 ай бұрын
The Constitution was written by Christians. Maybe you are the ignorant one
@robertrainford6754
@robertrainford6754 8 ай бұрын
She should discriminate towards people. I hate religion. So I have no sympathy for her.
@TreeSawyer
@TreeSawyer 8 ай бұрын
I thought we were passed this.
@Simplegaming_only
@Simplegaming_only 8 ай бұрын
The bakery isn't entitled to serve everyone(unlike doctors, who take a vow to protect their patients)... This is going crazy
@victorkowalski8237
@victorkowalski8237 8 ай бұрын
I am a business owner, not a lawyer, I like reading law. The law uses past decisions as a reference to try cases. The Supreme Court made ruling in regard to corporate rights. When it comes to corporations-they are treated as “persons” who are covered by the Equal Protection Clause (and Contracts Clause among others), but they are excluded from the definition of “citizens” under the Comity Clause. They’re not a citizen so they don’t have constitutional rights. If a developer receives federal or state then certain laws apply. Thoughts
@victorkowalski8237
@victorkowalski8237 8 ай бұрын
I am a business owner, not a lawyer, I like reading law. The law uses past decisions as a reference to try cases. The Supreme Court made ruling in regard to corporate rights. When it comes to corporations-they are treated as “persons” who are covered by the Equal Protection Clause (and Contracts Clause among others), but they are excluded from the definition of “citizens” under the Comity Clause. They’re not a citizen so they don’t have constitutional rights. If a developer receives federal or state then certain laws apply. It’s common in the development world to partner financially with the federal government. DJT experience this personally, the business was found violating Fair Housing laws. Discriminatory practices. Thoughts.
@Internutt2023
@Internutt2023 8 ай бұрын
Plenty of doctors will refuse service to patients that have a health care plan they won't want to work with, unless that patient can pay with cash.
@robertrainford6754
@robertrainford6754 8 ай бұрын
True but the racism/ and discrimination are things that nobody should be allowed to practice. Just because you are religious doesn’t mean you can use that as a excuse to treat people less than human. That is the problem. If the baker has religious views that’s fine, but they should not follow her decision making in a business setting.
@Ziggy_Moonglow
@Ziggy_Moonglow 8 ай бұрын
"Do no harm" doesn't not mean "I will do things against my will".
@tommanley2924
@tommanley2924 8 ай бұрын
Where are the Bakers RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@philalexander7902
@philalexander7902 8 ай бұрын
Bakers Lives Matter!!!
@_iLLuSiv3_
@_iLLuSiv3_ 8 ай бұрын
@@philalexander7902 I see what you did there... lol
@victorkowalski8237
@victorkowalski8237 8 ай бұрын
She might have given up her rights, by accepting federal or state monies. Explanation I am a business owner, not a lawyer, I like reading law. The law uses past decisions as a reference to try cases. The Supreme Court made ruling in regard to corporate rights. When it comes to corporations-they are treated as “persons” who are covered by the Equal Protection Clause (and Contracts Clause among others), but they are excluded from the definition of “citizens” under the Comity Clause. They’re not a citizen so they don’t have constitutional rights. If a developer receives federal or state then certain laws apply. It’s common in the development world to partner financially with the federal government. DJT experience this personally, the business was found violating Fair Housing laws. Discriminatory practices. Thoughts.
@1Biswet
@1Biswet 8 ай бұрын
Rights to discriminate? Sounds like the same excuse of “states rights” to enslave.
@tommanley2924
@tommanley2924 8 ай бұрын
Nope the federal government has already beat them to the punch look at someone's W-2 and see who is taking more. @@1Biswet
@Riza-q7z
@Riza-q7z 8 ай бұрын
Cathy, you're a brave American woman, and I really admire your courage & faith. If I was in California, I would definitely be your customer for most of the time. 💙 ✝️ 🇺🇸
@frostedsleet3124
@frostedsleet3124 8 ай бұрын
Stay strong Cathy. God has you! ❤️🙏
@frostedsleet3124
@frostedsleet3124 8 ай бұрын
@Quint-ib4nf 👈 Quint is an example of the Marxist that infiltrated our country.
@Utility-Bill
@Utility-Bill 8 ай бұрын
What doesn't anyone understand about CALIFORNIA LAW? That clearly states a sign can be posted at a business stating: WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE.
@sarzozasarzoza2890
@sarzozasarzoza2890 8 ай бұрын
Kathy stand your ground..we are praying for you.❤
@victorkowalski8237
@victorkowalski8237 8 ай бұрын
She might have given up her rights, by accepting federal or state monies. Explanation I am a business owner, not a lawyer, I like reading law. The law uses past decisions as a reference to try cases. The Supreme Court made ruling in regard to corporate rights. When it comes to corporations-they are treated as “persons” who are covered by the Equal Protection Clause (and Contracts Clause among others), but they are excluded from the definition of “citizens” under the Comity Clause. They’re not a citizen so they don’t have constitutional rights. If a developer receives federal or state then certain laws apply. It’s common in the development world to partner financially with the federal government. DJT experience this personally, the business was found violating Fair Housing laws. Discriminatory practices. Thoughts.
@GTKJNow
@GTKJNow 8 ай бұрын
@@victorkowalski8237 They wouldn't want to sue cuz I'd tell em about this verse: Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
@theHAL9000
@theHAL9000 8 ай бұрын
As a native Californian I'm proud to boast that we as a state have reached rock-bottom in just about every form of governance. The term "sober-minded thinking" doesn't apply here.
@sunshineandstarlight
@sunshineandstarlight 8 ай бұрын
We already went through this years ago another bakery.
@torablack
@torablack 8 ай бұрын
Personally I do view this as a tricky situation. Under the 1st amendment we do have freedom of religion which should be protected. But at the same time we do have laws saying that a business cannot discriminate against customers based on their background.
@kathieballance7297
@kathieballance7297 8 ай бұрын
This woman is beautiful ❤
@MrEkzotic
@MrEkzotic 8 ай бұрын
Leave people alone!!!! That baker isn't harming anyone.
@1Biswet
@1Biswet 8 ай бұрын
Discrimination is harming society.
@kevinoconnor8351
@kevinoconnor8351 8 ай бұрын
Give them the cake and next they come for your children! They have no limits!
@victorkowalski8237
@victorkowalski8237 8 ай бұрын
She might have given up her rights, by accepting federal or state monies. Explanation I am a business owner, not a lawyer, I like reading law. The law uses past decisions as a reference to try cases. The Supreme Court made ruling in regard to corporate rights. When it comes to corporations-they are treated as “persons” who are covered by the Equal Protection Clause (and Contracts Clause among others), but they are excluded from the definition of “citizens” under the Comity Clause. They’re not a citizen so they don’t have constitutional rights. If a developer receives federal or state then certain laws apply. It’s common in the development world to partner financially with the federal government. DJT experience this personally, the business was found violating Fair Housing laws. Discriminatory practices. Thoughts.
@JamesMilne-hi2ot
@JamesMilne-hi2ot 8 ай бұрын
Can you cite one example of them "coming for your children"?
@1Biswet
@1Biswet 8 ай бұрын
Are you referring to trumps name appearing in the Epstein list?
@Dreamhelmet
@Dreamhelmet 8 ай бұрын
They'll even offer to babysit for you while you bake the cake!
@victorkowalski8237
@victorkowalski8237 8 ай бұрын
@@JamesMilne-hi2ot good luck in trying to change an ideology. It’s futile, history is littered with enough evidence.
@gregwilson5393
@gregwilson5393 8 ай бұрын
Just bake them the worst cake ever.
@elderlymanpoormemorybullseye
@elderlymanpoormemorybullseye 8 ай бұрын
Its moose turd pie, its good doh.
@RobertLPeters1
@RobertLPeters1 8 ай бұрын
Just forget a few ingredients
@JamesMilne-hi2ot
@JamesMilne-hi2ot 8 ай бұрын
Such a Christian thing to do.
@GTKJNow
@GTKJNow 8 ай бұрын
Use salt instead of sugar and say Christians are the salt of the earth.
@GTKJNow
@GTKJNow 8 ай бұрын
@@JamesMilne-hi2ot Put this verse on the cake instead: Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
@davidthomits544
@davidthomits544 8 ай бұрын
They can try find a woke bakery
@1Biswet
@1Biswet 8 ай бұрын
Woke? Is trump woke for selling pride merch?
@adamholloway5605
@adamholloway5605 8 ай бұрын
Supreme Court already ruled on this
@1Biswet
@1Biswet 8 ай бұрын
They also ruled on abortion and changed their mind.
@adamholloway5605
@adamholloway5605 8 ай бұрын
@@1Biswet well the Supreme Court never had the authority to legislate law from the bench. That’s the legislative branch of government,per each state to make laws in each jurisdiction. States have a right to decide for themselves.
@vickierolison6755
@vickierolison6755 8 ай бұрын
They ran an Oregon bakery out of business with fines for the same thing a few years ago.
@kennethrohloff7535
@kennethrohloff7535 8 ай бұрын
These activists are ugly and sick. They already know on some level that their lifestyle is questionable. They're just miserable, trying to force people to go along with something that is obviously abnormal
@GTKJNow
@GTKJNow 8 ай бұрын
I think they are still selling online from home. But sad about brick and mortar store.
@kennethbeers8693
@kennethbeers8693 8 ай бұрын
Good for her! This should have never even made it to court. Glad I moved away from Cali.
@richardisner3671
@richardisner3671 8 ай бұрын
A privately owned business has a RIGHT to refuse doing business with anyone.
@victorkowalski8237
@victorkowalski8237 8 ай бұрын
I am a business owner, not a lawyer, I like reading law. The law uses past decisions as a reference to try cases. The Supreme Court made ruling in regard to corporate rights. When it comes to corporations-they are treated as “persons” who are covered by the Equal Protection Clause (and Contracts Clause among others), but they are excluded from the definition of “citizens” under the Comity Clause. They’re not a citizen so they don’t have constitutional rights. If a developer receives federal or state then certain laws apply. It’s common in the development world to partner financially with the federal government. DJT experience this personally, the business was found violating Fair Housing laws. Discriminatory practices. Thoughts.
@richardisner3671
@richardisner3671 8 ай бұрын
@@victorkowalski8237 The fact that the Supreme Court of the United States has already ruled on cases that this bakery business is in Court for. The ruling should be the end of the Commiefornia case. The bakery owner should not have any case against her.
@ITSTIME_FORYOU_TOWALK_THEPLANK
@ITSTIME_FORYOU_TOWALK_THEPLANK 8 ай бұрын
As a white Atheist, I support Kathy and hope she is exonerated in this ridiculous case!!!
@ITSTIME_FORYOU_TOWALK_THEPLANK
@ITSTIME_FORYOU_TOWALK_THEPLANK 8 ай бұрын
@@fdsfaf132 VOTE MAGA ❤❤❤. ignore that Beach Nikky Haley whatever Fox News tell you VOTE TRUMP!!!
@ITSTIME_FORYOU_TOWALK_THEPLANK
@ITSTIME_FORYOU_TOWALK_THEPLANK 8 ай бұрын
@@fdsfaf132 are you black? Like me if so you should know of Christianity’s role in our suffering
@puppylove1165
@puppylove1165 8 ай бұрын
WOW Cathy bakes Beautiful cakes. Cathy move to Tampa Florida, we will support you 1000%. 🧁 🎂 🍪
@lisalarosa4546
@lisalarosa4546 8 ай бұрын
Or, Texas. But, not Austin!!
@Wiley-kn9sm
@Wiley-kn9sm 8 ай бұрын
Why isnt a private business allowed to serve who they want.
@VeryOldMerc
@VeryOldMerc 8 ай бұрын
The future couple couldn't find an LGB bakery that would celebrate their union with them? What a waste of court resources. People need the court system to work on justice not this nonsense..
@jenala3896
@jenala3896 8 ай бұрын
What the heck California too much trouble under Newsome such. my business I have the right refused to service…..FJB
@mongtkb
@mongtkb 8 ай бұрын
Hasn't SCOTUS already solved this issue like 10 years ago
@victorkowalski8237
@victorkowalski8237 8 ай бұрын
I am a business owner, not a lawyer, I like reading law. The law uses past decisions as a reference to try cases. The Supreme Court made ruling in regard to corporate rights. When it comes to corporations-they are treated as “persons” who are covered by the Equal Protection Clause (and Contracts Clause among others), but they are excluded from the definition of “citizens” under the Comity Clause. They’re not a citizen so they don’t have constitutional rights. If a developer receives federal or state then certain laws apply. It’s common in the development world to partner financially with the federal government. DJT experience this personally, the business was found violating Fair Housing laws. Discriminatory practices. Thoughts.
@timjohnshort
@timjohnshort 8 ай бұрын
Kathy, we stand with you!
@thinkingallowed6485
@thinkingallowed6485 8 ай бұрын
It's her business...ffs
@reginaodoms4135
@reginaodoms4135 8 ай бұрын
She definitely loves the Lord and no one should force her to go against her beliefs !!! 💯💯💯💯
@kennethhecht3354
@kennethhecht3354 8 ай бұрын
PRIVATE BUSINESS AND PERSONAL BELIEFS ARE NOT MANDATORY SERVICES!!!
@ambiebambie8198
@ambiebambie8198 8 ай бұрын
California is wild. I escaped that hell hole 3 years ago and moved to South Carolina. I will never go back!! What a joke!
@Ddeamorin
@Ddeamorin 8 ай бұрын
I thought ground hog day was yesterday,were doing this again?
@skoolwheelz9042
@skoolwheelz9042 8 ай бұрын
it's never going to stop as long as the left can harass decent people
@mikemj8204
@mikemj8204 8 ай бұрын
I support the baker God Bless her.
@KammyKackler
@KammyKackler 8 ай бұрын
Why not just buy the cake without obliging someone else to violate their religious convictions. Once in possession of said cake, pluck out the little female figurine and replace it with a modern G.I. Joe.
@torablack
@torablack 8 ай бұрын
Personally I do view this as a tricky situation. Under the 1st amendment we do have freedom of religion which should be protected. But at the same time we do have laws saying that a business cannot discriminate against customers based on their background.
@minhchaubuingoc8384
@minhchaubuingoc8384 8 ай бұрын
Or better yet, get it somewhere else
@philalexander7902
@philalexander7902 8 ай бұрын
​@@torablack I agree it's a slippery slope. The danger of siding with the bakery is it could open the door for businesses to discriminate against any ethnic minority and claim religious liberty too. At the end of the day, the best thing the customer can do is find a bakery that will accommodate them. Let others know about the bakery that refused them. And let customers decide from there.
@patriotpatrol3709
@patriotpatrol3709 8 ай бұрын
Or a couple of "Village People" characters like the Indian head dress and the hard hat dude...🤣
@keithm9337
@keithm9337 8 ай бұрын
Because it isn't about the cake, it is about forcing people to go against their religious convictions because the militant liberals don't like those convictions. So, they force people to conform, or try to get their business shut down.
@JRH99
@JRH99 8 ай бұрын
We're behind her! They need to stay in their own parades and out of our family parades too!
@planejanedaniels
@planejanedaniels 8 ай бұрын
"Free speech is a tough cookie to crack."
@coyotedust
@coyotedust 8 ай бұрын
So is freedom of religion.
@torablack
@torablack 8 ай бұрын
Personally I do view this as a tricky situation. Under the 1st amendment we do have freedom of religion which should be protected. But at the same time we do have laws saying that a business cannot discriminate against customers based on their background.
@listlessvessels5
@listlessvessels5 8 ай бұрын
Not sure how they do it in Russia but open commerce in the US serves all, it's not a church.
@terryhodges3960
@terryhodges3960 8 ай бұрын
We're with you kathy
@RLD454C
@RLD454C 8 ай бұрын
I would let my dog bake that cake , it would be brown and tubular in shape and smell real bad .
@shoeshoe5253
@shoeshoe5253 8 ай бұрын
Pick another bakery!!! Troublemakers!!
@ChilaRosado
@ChilaRosado 8 ай бұрын
She’s going to win this battle because God himself will be the one there fighting! Be careful who u touch especially Gods children ❤️ peace be unto you women of faith sit back and relax and let God do his thing 💯🙌🏼🙏
@victorkowalski8237
@victorkowalski8237 8 ай бұрын
She might have given up her rights, by accepting federal or state monies. Explanation I am a business owner, not a lawyer, I like reading law. The law uses past decisions as a reference to try cases. The Supreme Court made ruling in regard to corporate rights. When it comes to corporations-they are treated as “persons” who are covered by the Equal Protection Clause (and Contracts Clause among others), but they are excluded from the definition of “citizens” under the Comity Clause. They’re not a citizen so they don’t have constitutional rights. If a developer receives federal or state then certain laws apply. It’s common in the development world to partner financially with the federal government. DJT experience this personally, the business was found violating Fair Housing laws. Discriminatory practices. Thoughts.
@allengina1091
@allengina1091 8 ай бұрын
Thank you Ma’am for your conviction, religious belief, faith. God bless you.
@Blahbah
@Blahbah 8 ай бұрын
They want a cake I'll make them one 3200.00
@chrisb9960
@chrisb9960 8 ай бұрын
This was already solved in the courts. I look forward to a counter lawsuit for this frivolous claim.
@terrathunderstorms3701
@terrathunderstorms3701 8 ай бұрын
Why does California think it can just discriminate against people?
@plotshift
@plotshift 8 ай бұрын
Didn't most all states do that for a very, very long time? Kind of established precedent by now lol
@torablack
@torablack 8 ай бұрын
Personally I do view this as a tricky situation. Under the 1st amendment we do have freedom of religion which should be protected. But at the same time we do have laws saying that a business cannot discriminate against customers based on their background.
@opossumsrawesome6860
@opossumsrawesome6860 8 ай бұрын
@@torablack are those federal or state laws. Or both?
@torablack
@torablack 8 ай бұрын
@@opossumsrawesome6860 As far as I know they're Federal laws.
@nufamilia
@nufamilia 8 ай бұрын
🧐 it’s a stupid cake!
@carlofanni2224
@carlofanni2224 8 ай бұрын
Out from California... Let them enjoy their babylon
@jrculbertson7463
@jrculbertson7463 8 ай бұрын
So now we have LOST OUR FREEDOM TO CHOOSE!!!😢
@philalexander7902
@philalexander7902 8 ай бұрын
It was ended when Roe v Wade was overturned.
@stratbluesman
@stratbluesman 8 ай бұрын
Go get your cake somewhere else ! They just have to make a big deal out of it !!!
@rayganter8029
@rayganter8029 8 ай бұрын
Charge them 10 times more than the Cake is worth then they will not want your cake
@ServantofYahshuaHaMashiach
@ServantofYahshuaHaMashiach 8 ай бұрын
Respect for Cathy Miller ❤ VANA
@CanabisWhiskeyAnanas
@CanabisWhiskeyAnanas 8 ай бұрын
I rather burger king over McDonald's tho.
@thinkingallowed6485
@thinkingallowed6485 8 ай бұрын
How about cracking a grammar book?😅
@readerspubb1973
@readerspubb1973 8 ай бұрын
100 % support Baker. Also, to the LBGT what ever; anyone and everyone has the right to refuse service. Soo what are you being oppressed by this time ? Everyone and anyone has the right to practice their religion.
@kabc
@kabc 8 ай бұрын
There's more important things going on. Geez who cares.
@plotshift
@plotshift 8 ай бұрын
For real, it's a cake
@unpopularopinionpodcast24
@unpopularopinionpodcast24 8 ай бұрын
She should Sue the state for harassment
@hectordiaz5311
@hectordiaz5311 8 ай бұрын
That pure socialism and Fascism Non government has to tell a Private Business what to do or what to sell or to whom….
@philalexander7902
@philalexander7902 8 ай бұрын
Except when it comes to discrimination.
@NomenClature-o8s
@NomenClature-o8s 8 ай бұрын
@@philalexander7902 It’s not discrimination. And they aren’t putting their fake wedding on hold during this court case - which proves it wasn’t about the cake in the first place.
@philalexander7902
@philalexander7902 8 ай бұрын
@@NomenClature-o8s it actually is discrimination
@blnunya6689
@blnunya6689 8 ай бұрын
@@philalexander7902 You can't compel speech.
@philalexander7902
@philalexander7902 8 ай бұрын
@@blnunya6689 what ate you talking about??
@annnelson9030
@annnelson9030 8 ай бұрын
Good for her!!!! This country is NUTS!!!!!
@jalenjose3905
@jalenjose3905 8 ай бұрын
We love people but their sins , we dont have too.
@tyrelliuslogellus6253
@tyrelliuslogellus6253 8 ай бұрын
Its funny when people who think they evolved from sludge talk about dignity
@swinuyasha
@swinuyasha 8 ай бұрын
If itngoes against your religious beliefs, that's all there is to it. Let it ring
@philalexander7902
@philalexander7902 8 ай бұрын
But where does religious belief end and discrimination begin?
@swinuyasha
@swinuyasha 8 ай бұрын
@@philalexander7902 at the point it physically harms another.
@philalexander7902
@philalexander7902 8 ай бұрын
@@swinuyasha so only physical harm?
@tommccoy8017
@tommccoy8017 8 ай бұрын
As a former business owner, I have the right to refuse service to anyone.
@johnbrown9802
@johnbrown9802 8 ай бұрын
Her business she can do what she wants.
@Sueblaze
@Sueblaze 8 ай бұрын
She said NO and that's it! Let her be ! I hope she wins! God has your back Cathy! ❤❤❤
@wethepeople7382
@wethepeople7382 8 ай бұрын
way to start the morning with some lgbtq haite huh Republicans
@123duelist
@123duelist 8 ай бұрын
The last trillion times this went on, the Bakers won. Nothing is going to change
@docwillis1443
@docwillis1443 8 ай бұрын
It’s LGBTQ2SIAA+ get it right
@felixramirez9920
@felixramirez9920 8 ай бұрын
It's not hate. Stop lying.
@Ddeamorin
@Ddeamorin 8 ай бұрын
Someone call the waaaahmbulance the alphabet people are upset again.
@coldstonestunners
@coldstonestunners 8 ай бұрын
LGBTQ hates the freedom of no
@ernstdevries7990
@ernstdevries7990 8 ай бұрын
Evil government!
@victorkowalski8237
@victorkowalski8237 8 ай бұрын
She might have given up her rights, by accepting federal or state monies. Explanation I am a business owner, not a lawyer, I like reading law. The law uses past decisions as a reference to try cases. The Supreme Court made ruling in regard to corporate rights. When it comes to corporations-they are treated as “persons” who are covered by the Equal Protection Clause (and Contracts Clause among others), but they are excluded from the definition of “citizens” under the Comity Clause. They’re not a citizen so they don’t have constitutional rights. If a developer receives federal or state then certain laws apply. It’s common in the development world to partner financially with the federal government. DJT experience this personally, the business was found violating Fair Housing laws. Discriminatory practices. Thoughts.
@aschkansabaghi4901
@aschkansabaghi4901 8 ай бұрын
Business have the right to refuse their services to anyone!
@NomenClature-o8s
@NomenClature-o8s 8 ай бұрын
Why would you want a business to bake a cake for the biggest day of your life….and choose a baker who doesn’t want your business?
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