Balance & Perspective on Race | John McWhorter and John Wood Jr.

[@ahmad-unlocked]

John Wood I like your ability to see the range of views as a means of creating real dialogue. This is actually two episode where i've seen you hold a space around race that didn't drop to troupes and the tribalism of either side. Good job.

[@luvisacigarette8]

Great dialogue. This is the content we need today

[@captjimusfl]

@@megg.6651 I was kinda thinking that, too. He spoke straight through from 11:00 to 23:00. Instead of an interview, he really pontificated a bit. I always catch McWhorter and Loury on their channel.

[@lauriejorgensen3692]

The school system must change. My son went to a vocational school. He makes more money than anyone else he knows and he loves what he does.

[@Ray-cn1yn]

I've been sounding the alarm bells for years to young folks that higher education can be a limiting factor if you don't major in something that has a direct relationship to the job market. I sent my youngest daughter to a 2 year community college technical allied health program. She earned more money at 20 than the average person does at 50. We've got to get young folks to explore more career opportunities outside the traditional norm because there's a wide open market waiting to be capitalized on.

[@Ray-cn1yn]

@Bob Charles I agree.

[@kham6006]

Me too

[@michaelfavata2720]

Very happy to see both of these gentlemen together.

[@naglfarslayer6367]

Thank you, these were new ideas to me and were all very convicting!

[@agentirvin]

John, you are clearly a nuanced thinker and understand the intricacies of the racial issues in America. However, you had one of the leading thinkers on race in America in John McWhorter as your guest. Your job as an interviewer is to aske the questions and allow your guest to opine. With all respect to you, the interview was more about your thoughts and getting Mr. McWhorter's agreement than understanding his perspective.

[@rollinginthedeep6900]

Saw it as more of a conversation than an interview, comparing two perspectives

[@amb-yz9ee]

I really wish he would let the guests speak more.

[@nalbizo2]

Wow, John McWhorter could have gone out for coffee and come back before Wood finished that long diatribe.

[@helenlundeberg]

John Wood can cut down by 30% on his prose (or rephrase his ideas) and still convey his message with the same precision.

[@IconRadio99]

I agree

[@bradfordsinclair9331]

So glad you two exists to speak truth into the universe.

[@cosmicmuffet1053]

Can't wait for part 2.

[@honestjohn6418]

I love the way John agrees with Sowell, Williams & Steele but really breaks down how it’s not laziness nor manipulation but a mindset going from we need to succeed to we’re owed.

[@michaelfavata2720]

Right, John adds valuable empathy to this conversation. He really seeks to understand people and show compassion.

[@evanblackie7510]

Brilliant thanks! Very thought provoking, changing the way I think about the world.

[@johnbuckner2828]

End the war on drugs! 😃👍🏻 Vocational training! 😃👍🏻 Dude has a clue.

[@dledge1080]

Facts! What would help poor w and b america the most is legalized heroin, cocaine/crack and meth! It would stop the less than 1% of fed inmates that are actually in jail for weed possession too. Right? right....

[@kham6006]

John m probably wrote his 10th book while John w rambled on forever , here for John m

[@cjjones6264]

wow! I thought it was just me! John W. making really, really long statements here! It was often difficult to keep up with whatever point he was trying to make! I several consecutive segments of Extra-long sermons, I had to just click away!

[@bettworld]

Fascinating to hear the different perspectives

[@direwolf6234]

mcwhorter is the guest but you'd not know cause wood never stops rambling on & on...

[@CarlosCason1]

I really wish the guest would be treated as such. Good "conversation", but the host just takes way too much time building a ramp to his point and goes on and on unchecked. If you come here to listen to John Wood "preach" for long stretches, you are in the right place. I was here to listen to McWhorter.

[@rodriguezpierre81]

He was on a panel with several guests and Glen Called him out for that very thing. 😆🤣. He was elongated

[@bertrandrussell894]

I like the interviewer but this is so true. John barely spoke.

[@sunnyla2835]

Very enlightening conversation. Thank you both🙏❤️

[@seanthomas85]

I sum it up thus: 1. Individuals are responsible for their own choices. 2. Society is responsible for making GOOD choices as easy as possible and BAD choices as difficult as possible. And I also believe the general failures of the United States' social institutions to accomplish #2 is more economic than racial. Common welfare policies make it MORE difficult to make good choices a lot of the time, such as by disproportionately increasing benefits for single mothers (and thereby making it easier to expel the father from the home), and by punishing work by excessively reducing benefits when income and assets are secured.

[@paulolden4337]

John - You are clearly learned and smart. But please remember this: you are the host and as such, your guest is the most important part of your show. Your guest is the focus. Thus, please don't ramble on for nearly five minutes while your guest, Mr. Mcwhorter sits and must have wondered if he'd ever get to talk again. We want to hear what HE has to say ... you, with all due respect, not so much. Thank you.

[@evanblackie7510]

It’s the modern dialogue form, dialogos, rather than an interview.

[@Brandonmichaelc]

Both of them need to listen to Thomas Sowell about blacks in prior to the 1960s.

[@iayanarael2315]

I'm new to Braver Angels - is the premise conversation or prompted guest monologue? This is a great conversation. John McW didn't need more time cuz he speaks twice as fast and and twice as concisely-succinctly as John McW. So it's all great. I've not heard Glenn L. & John McW cover this material in this way; and could they be said to be examples of both communities, as John W and his wife are; What say you Glenn? And - John W wasn't showing his learnedness or smartness so much as sharing his experience which was really pertinent to the exchange content. Isn't this their first convo here? Let these guys find their groove, they are fine. Looking forward to the continuation of this conversation.

[@iayanarael2315]

oh lord another typo. should be John McW didn't need....as John W. 😂 i do not wish to set up a competition oy vay.

[@plaidpaisley5918]

“Pick yourself up by your bootstraps” isn’t a quote aimed at black people. It’s universal.

[@sunnyla2835]

Definitely universal, also very condescending to anyone not born with boots, much less boot straps with which to pull themselves up!

[@edwoodsr]

Ever tried to visualize that old saw? You're supposed to twerk???!

[@tonysamosa1717]

I am looking for a book that will help me down the path of thought of the change in black culture. Mcwhorter sometimes makes references to the 70s in the context of “post stokely Carmichael.” So we are talking about the effects of black people getting the idea that we have some deviation to society that is acceptable if not encouraged behavior out of some sense of rejecting the white mans world. Does anyone have any resources on this era And the gestation of these sentiments?

[@rustyosgood5667]

Summary is elegant...and very few can do it well.

[@slicersharp]

Really appreciate this conversation

[@TheSymphonyOfScience]

We need to see your face too, my friend. We like watching at people's faces when they talk

[@mozfonky]

You dont like his pic?

[@plaidpaisley5918]

Thank you John. Your response at 23 minutes, to me; right on.

[@ahmad-unlocked]

Interesting, boths Johns make a point that hints at blk Amers simply not desiring work. It wasn't deindustrialization of urban areas. Yet, when we frame today's white working class, it;s often a narrative around a lost of jobs, thus leading to dispare and opioid drug use. No one is seeks to point out that there has been a shortage of construction and truck driving jobs - the stable of middle class - for over a decade. White Amers just aren't choosing work. And they are lauded for making an economic argument, when they are simply not working.

[@bmhavumaki]

I could be wrong, but I actually think that J.D. Vance has made that argument about white America (or at the least the prt of it that is poor and lives in Appalachia).

[@ahmad-unlocked]

@@bmhavumaki actually JD has made that point. you're correct. unfortunately, JD plans to run for something now and he chosen to relinquish his important voice for Trump talking points these day ... also, correction: there are many construction and trucking jobs that white aren't taking. but you're point is right on JD

[@williamerdman4888]

I enjoy listening to John Wood and John McWorther.... John Wood could have talked a little less on this one.

[@salvatoregreco179]

Why was there the "change of mood" that John McWhorter referenced?

[@honestjohn6418]

I believe he’s referring to the post civil rights, black power movement. When people like Angela Davis & Stokeley Charmicheal introduced the revolutionary, identarian mindset. The idea that traditional racism isn’t the problem but “systemic racism” and that the solution is black pride, militancy and demanding that white society pays black society back. A very popular change of mood which has become the dominant one and could be heard in much of the black music of the 70s, through 90s hip hop until today.

[@madtyphoon]

Shouldn't Dr. Glenn Loury be Captain America? The man from another generation facing the problemss of today and how he holds the traditional values which stand true through the test of time

[@johnwood1911]

The more I think about it actually the more I think Glenn is the Hulk...

[@anonosaurus4517]

I love your analogy. It's heroic, and we are in such desperate need of real heroes now. And I do think that Glenn is heroic.

[@kham6006]

Nothing like a Glenn Rant ! Nobody wants to go up against him

[@stanbaity593]

I sorry, I tried to carry John Woods chain of thought in his questions but I just lost it !!

[@CirclingDuck]

Spotted the Bubly on John's mantlepiece!

[@npickard4218]

@38 mins, I agree with McWhorter's comment that people who say, 'can't we just stop talking about color' are incapable of imagining the life of ... I can't recall the exact words but you get what I'm referring to. Fair enough BUT this is true of other identities too. Non-Jews have great trouble understanding the life experiences of traditional Jews or Jews in Israel. In much of the world, identity is not about color but about religion. In the Middle East, your identity is your religion, not your skin color. Americans can't wrap their brain around that concept. A Jew, Christian, or Muslim in the Middle East may not be religious at all but their religion is their ethnic marker. So his comment is true but it's true for every other identity group as well.

[@dylanjastle]

Gimmie more

[@kevincarrigan2798]

I feel like John Wood was really just saying that the black experience is different than most people think, but that he agrees with the solutions that Mcwhorter has. I'm like yeah, everyone is going to have a different experience....but it doesnt mean you teach them different ways to be successful. You just teach them the same ways to be successful as you would everyone else. That goes for every single person out there.

[@365ramone]

Don't sell yourself short, you're at least Black Widow

[@johnwood1911]

Lolololol

[@rpjswish]

Ayn Rand said it best: "The smallest minority is the individual". This collective vs. individual experience seems to be at the heart of the disagreement and violence. "Imagine a world where each person got up everyday and did the best they could." -Jordan Peterson.

[@Wren79]

Mr. Wood...that smolder..

[@sabinesfamily]

We just watched Tangled again so this is hilarious.

[@richhenry8004]

Creating an entirely parallel society and culture inside of an already established one is probably one of the dumbest strategies for success one could think up. That is, if being successful in life is your actual goal.

[@theword123451]

I learned a new word...Kabooki?

[@RG001100]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabuki

[@chadmoodybto4620]

Kabuki

[@MidWestCon]

John wood Jr does not know how to stop talking. By the time he is done the point is forgotten. He is one of the “elect” or he at least thinks he is. He is beyond frustrating to listen too.

[@danielmoody3640]

Yes..I didnt come here to listen to him.

[@michaelweber5702]

He talks too much but he is good though , Jordan Peterson talks and interrupts too much also yet these two people are important to me . I wish they wouldn't , nobody is perfect ... John McWhorter is a national treasure but John Wood is an important voice too ...

[@sueshe5953]

Poor whites are suffering too. Just putting that out there.

[@DolphinVEVO]

I think John talked too much on this one.

[@salamjihad3449]

WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT RACE??

[@williamerdman4888]

John is wrong about the War on Drugs... a black market would remain.

[@johnwood1911]

God, this John Wood guy really talks a lot! Maybe he'll take a hint and do better next time.

[@kevinodom2918]

" as a this new anti racism makes any God damn sense." 🤣😂 that was spot on. Don't agree w if war on drugs end those fools gonna get a job. They gonna get a job alright and it will most likely be theft, scams, armed robbery etc. Maybe a decent % might get a job since that robbing shit isn't as easy but I could see those type crimes rising pretty dramatically.

[@estebannemo1957]

Wood always talks way too much.

[@dledge1080]

Imagine believing that theres no black market for legal drugs...lmfao!

[@jtcali2086]

Judging by the Amen chorus in the comments, Mr McWhorter has perfected his messaging that appeases white folks and relieves them of any soul searching. And Mr Wood of course plays into it. The debate between Mr McWhorter and Michael Eric Dyson is more informed and eye opening.

[@alecchapin9071]

Go bother someone else.

[@valencia4215]

Appeases whites? He doesn't have to perfect his messaging as he has studied the facts and has enlightened people along the way. This black woman greatly appreciates the truth void of hiding behind fake oppression and victimhood.

[@valencia4215]

@Hardway Harrison I am a proud white supremacist in black skin. Thanks for the compliment.

[@valencia4215]

@Hardway Harrison Oops, sorry. That does it - it's time for me to get new eyeglasses.

[@alecchapin9071]

Tbh I think society has come a long way regarding race relations, when Jews, Black humans, etc, can be Bigots or natsees along with the rest of us just because we aim towards colorblindness, rather than attempting to revert back towards 1960s USA.

[@Titurel]

I wanted to hear McWhorter. I didn't.