Baling Muddy Wet Hay

[@DevonDumpling421]

Nice to see your new setup out in the field! It's been really satisfying watching your farm and business evolve over the past 5 years, ignore the haters!

[@theiowasteamkid7237]

Hey Wes from Iowa here and we just made our first cutting of hay of the year and it sounds like you're going through the same things we are having as far as making more bales then usual. Not a bad problem to have if you're in the hay business. Great videos love watching!!!!

[@chadwilloughby4714]

it's awesome to see the Krone back in the Feild with the new tractor must feel pretty good have been looking forward to seeing the baler back to work

[@chrisrains518]

😅😊

[@robertdavis6708]

Old EMT Ambulances make nice field vehicles. Mostly stainless, diesel, lots of storage, haul a lot of fuel." Bullets" can be found everywhere.

[@cotontop3]

Thats gonna be about right on fuel consumption for that horsepower. One of our machines is 300 hp and it runs around 12 gallons per hour average when its working hard.

[@wildcoyote34]

sounds about like my big tractor too ,, when i am pulling a 10 bottom plow or 40ft Disc ,, or even a chisel plow my big Steiger panther can easily swallow 18 gals an hour ,,I installed an Air ride seat in it to help the ride too cause that articulated machine sucks on a rough field running at 10MPH pulling a 10x16 plow

[@johnnytractorman8522]

wildcoyote34 cool story bro

[@wildcoyote34]

not much of story , but totally true too

[@kenarrigo]

cotontop3 later tater

[@cotontop3]

LOL!

[@BuggsK100RS]

Remember UK gallon and US gallon are different! What is that meter set too in the cab?

[@rivalrepairs]

Thanks didn't know that. UK gallon is 20% more volume!.

[@jessicasorl]

So, if it's in Uk gallons then it's even worse off.

[@rivalrepairs]

its best to actually measure the fuel that being used manually as the these fuel computers are normally inaccurate!

[@veesercattleco.4111]

Looks great Wes! Good to see the bailing action begin for the year.

[@kevinwillis9126]

i bet you're happy to get going... have a great season.....

[@WhiskeyKing813]

Time to add a mobile fule / repair truck to the fleet.

[@amunderdog]

Old beverage trailers convert well

[@Northern_Farmer]

They make these nice clean fuel trailers now that are pretty sharp looking. They carry tools...fuel... def..

[@onlygazza]

In the uk they tend to ( chip ) the tractors to get more power and this also drops the fuel use by leaning the fuel mixture, I think ? Just wondered if this is standard or chipped🤔

[@thesilentg3941]

If would be cool to see the 4960 running the krone baler!

[@Sean-if7rp]

Just for one video would be so cool

[@jwvdst]

in europe they put the 7530 in front of that baler and tune the engine up to 250hp

[@450captain]

Congrats on the great hay crop. You deserve to have good year.

[@canyonhenning5708]

can you show more of the older tractors

[@super6954]

After watching that fancy hitch pin set up at the start I love the pick up hitch on both our tractors L.O.L. Thats interesting with the fuel consumption for the hp, The 450 hp Case IH quad track we had in here with the huge blade pushing hard pack snow drifts, was doing 16 GPH, and she was snorting pretty good when pushing hard. The owner said mostly that Case IH uses more fuel on the road getting to the job, than it does working hard in the fields according to the monitor. It's good to hear you're getting more bales, hopefully the moneys good and you actually make more not just sell more bales for the same money as last year. Hey just added a thought what gallons is that measuring in Uk and U.S are different. Can you do it in liters and figure it out from that.

[@tdgreenbay]

nice to see you finally get that hay out of the rain wes

[@farming4g]

What's the average amount of acres you cover in an hour with the Krone? It is nice to know what it drinks hour-wise, but knowing how much ground you're covering can maybe make it not seem as bad.

[@joelground7557]

Holy cow! She's a thirsty one! But comfort does come at a cost.... lol Teresa! Don't be so shy! Y'all are so funny together!! My girlfriend said "she love you long time!" Haha!

[@stevenhardy2898]

Theresa is from the Philippines.....not VietNam.

[@bigwheelsblacksmoke4624]

Reggie S you made the most insightful comment of all here, how much fuel does the tractor use vs the tonnage baled. Wes is selling tonnage, and consequently if the 8530 is able to bale more tons of grass per gallon of fuel burnt, it is a better option than the 8120 irrespective of the burn rate an hour. Bigger tractor travelling faster knocking out more bales/hour in heavier or denser grass should use more fuel per hour, it is doing more work. Question is does it do more work per gallon of fuel burnt.

[@davidrowley8251]

bigwheels blacksmoke You also should consider the amount of work done per hour. The value of labor, how much this equipment is worth in terms of productivity, and timeliness in a task like hay making, where getting done before the arrival of poor weather can make quite a difference. Timeliness is less important for producing mulch hay versus dry horse hay.

[@ih1206]

Well it's good to see the 8530 making a go at it on the baler. It does sound like she's a bit thirsty. I don't know if there is a way to tune that to help out on the fuel economy. And it's good to see that the 7410 is back in action.

[@screwit57]

I really like your "down to earth" attitude (pun intended LOL) You are a no nonsense, straight shooting, hard working Farmer and I respect that a lot. I miss getting to help my Dad on his farm but his new spouseal unit has a bit of a dislike issue with me, long story... Keep up the great videos and Have a great day! Tell Tim to use the multi-rotor aircraft to hold up his "Crack Attack!"

[@bennettfarms920]

Hey Wes was wondering where you buy your Hat from I know you have said it before but can't remember an I could really use one like that plus I like the style

[@lfpi07]

Love these videos, keen to see some more bailing :)

[@johnnyholland8765]

Are you going to leave the license plate on the back of the tractor and if so why. Also are you going to convert the lower lift arms? Good looking rig.

[@jordankissinger3154]

Have you thought about putting a tune on it? Or is it tuned differently cause it was from England?

[@alanb9337]

Fuel use -Maybe change the 8530 engine map to shift the maximum engine torque to where you most used baling engine rpms are. Specs list 8530 with 180 gallon fuel tank. 12 gallons used per hour for 12.5 hours is 150 gallons used with 30 gallons remaining. Expect better fuel use in dryer conditions and flatter terrain? Probably EGR delete is probably illegal in your area. Hydrogen generator/ hydrogen or methane cylinder for combined mix diesel-gas burn -maybe something to consider when the tractor is older.

[@koryleague8833]

not a jd fan but that tractor is a beast

[@roberrtbiniaszewskijr.4501]

A chain is only as strong as its weakest link . An old saying . Thanks Wes

[@CathalYTM]

please answer . were do you get the money to buy all this cool machinery, big tractors ect . please answer .... all them bill's

[@bobrhonda4375]

That was the major complaint around here between the 8430's vs the 8530s big difference.

[@JCLawn51]

i think you need to factor a couple of things into your fuel consumption. 1 you never needed to slow down and i imagine boosting productivity, 2 you said you made more hay than before. If you used 50 gal more of fuel, well that is less than $100 more per day. Isn't that like 1 bale? If you can bale 50 more bales per day than the 8120 that tractor boosted productivity by thousands of dollars per day.

[@martenbreeuwer]

yes, wes should take into account his own labour cost (also when not paying out his own labour). And set out the increase in fuel consumption against the less in labour. Shorter baling days also mean less fatigue.

[@idoutdoors]

JCLawn51 your logic is all wrong, the size of the tractor don't dictate how fast you can bale the density of the hay in the windrows do.. You can only bale so fast, when baling you adjust your speed based on the flake count your aiming for within the bale. if you bale to fast your flake count is low causing the bales density it change and what really makes a low flake count bale no good is they don't handle with a loader well, your spikes won't hold well in them....so you see your speed is based on the hay not the tractor. the 50 extra bales has nothing to do with tractor production only growing

[@JCLawn51]

idoutdoors you forget the fact that he mentioned more than once that he could not get 100% production with his 8120 because the krone would out run the tractor. If I remember right could only bale 80% of max capacity on a good day because the 8120 barely met the HP requirements.

[@davidrowley8251]

idoutdoors How much forage is coming in thru the pickup per second, is determined by the density of the windrow per linear foot, AND by the travel speed of the tractor and baler thru the field. Wes Pandy has a Krone Big Pack HDP II 4x4 baler. It can be set for extreme compression of each flake, and can make 3 inch flakes, every second, that weigh 50 pounds each, dependng on the forage going into it. It takes a lot of tractor to move this baler over a field, and up and down hills and/or over soft ground, at speeds up to 9 MPH or better. In addition it also takes a lot of PTO horsepower to run the plungerhead at roughly a cycle/flake per second, making a 96 inch long bale every 32 seconds. It is feeding, compressing and cutting the edges of a LOT of hay. And running the pickup, the auger, the Active Filling System, the air compressor for keeping the knotters clean and running the machinery for the knotting system, while providing a lot of electrical power and cab air conditioning. There is not much tractor hydraulic demand while going down the windrows, the bale chamber squeeze is controlled by PTO powered hydraulics, but does not have to adjust much, once stabilized in a field. Our Krone BP890 (3x3) baler gave a JD7830 a good workout today, 300 bales in an afternoon, 6 to 9 MPH.

[@idoutdoors]

David Rowley well your wrong, he doesn't have a hdp 2 4x4... he has a hdp 3x4... trust me i know how balers work son its what i do for a living... spare me all the technical data, if the 8120 isn't enough tractor that's cause Wes bales high moisture junk and is just cramming material through a baler,

[@Northern_Farmer]

Nice...love the first day of baling hay....Another couple weeks and Ill be doing the same

[@chrisbreidenbaugh3697]

OLF, I know you're in Jersey. But you seem to spend a lot of time in Lancaster Co. Is there a dearth of implement dealers across the river? Do you have other connections here??? Ever been to a Shady Maple on one of your trips?

[@MessicksEquip]

Chris Breidenbaugh Lancaster County is a Mecca of tractor and implement dealers. because of the amount of business that's in our area, and the level of service that it takes to survive here, we draw people from hundreds of miles away.

[@chrisbreidenbaugh3697]

Messick Farm Equipment yes sir, I'm well aware of the number of dealers in these parts (I live outside New Holland). It just struck me as odd that a Jersey farmer would have to come this far for equipment. I'm happy you all are able to get and keep his business.

[@Inspirationalai1]

will the extra fuel consumption hurt your profit margin? Do you have a tractor that will pull the bailer using less fuel?

[@lawnfarmer9939]

Love it when machinery heals itself!

[@doOf3r]

If the onboard computer is working off UK Gallons then they are smaller than US Gallons. 1 UK Gallon = 1.20095 US Gallon which might explain the fuel concerns?

[@Danr-ds6uk]

Hi olf we put tennis balls in the 3 point linkage to stop hyd pipes getting court in them give it a try stops pipes being ripped out

[@richtdronz6507]

very nice, you've made that krone look very intimidating the past year!!, I think I'm gonna finally break the piggy bank open and buy one myself..ive enjoyed you videos

[@photosbychristensen]

First time running after she getting repaired Hell ya sexy piece of equipment coming the the drive way

[@Derek_00Mustang83]

What about a company like cc diesel performance and tuning to re-write your computer Wes???

[@brandoncaldwell95]

Finally, someome says the fuel consumption oer hour. I know it ranges oer equipment, but i been curious to the max its at.

[@garethsmith8525]

Great video Wes

[@sycamorevalleyshops2841]

How much more productive was it? Gallons per bale wise, I run a whole tree grinder, we just went from a 765HP c18 to a 950HP c27 fuel burn is the same, but we are doing way more work with it.

[@sycamorevalleyshops2841]

Both are right around 35 gallons per hour.

[@ETAD-ne8wr]

What percentage of the grease points does the automatic grease system hit??

[@harrisonfowler4461]

Did you sell the 8200?

[@jaxsoneischeid6249]

what country are you in ?

[@AndersonFarms]

18 g/hr!! we don't have a baler but we did have an 8530 and I can't say that it never drank that much. (unless tillage in severe conditions) now we have an 8360r and I have never seen it go above 12g/hr

[@daleolson3506]

Is the transmission the fuel gobbler?

[@zackstahl7574]

We want too see more videos where you bale!!

[@donald1056]

What other tractor(s) are you using besides the 7530 - 8530

[@ETAD-ne8wr]

That auto hitch would be cool if it worked!

[@micahharman1493]

What planer do you have

[@davidsheets1213]

Our case IH 340 magnum fuel meter per hour has never hit 18 gallons an hour. It only goes up to 17 when shifting gears piling 7300 gallons of hog manure. But it is just a power shift

[@hogcat858]

You said the hay was wet. What was the average bale weight?

[@chersey.3579]

Hey Wes r u still gonna put a 8520 ecm in the 8120 ????

[@brettrasmussen413]

RE, fuel consumption, you are doing more work in less time, QED you must burn more fuel. I think the laws of thermodynamics will back me up in this. Wes, you may well find as time goes by this season that this machine is actually cheaper to run then the 8120, all things considered. Fatigue and time saved may prove this point, it will be interesting to see how it plays out over the coming months.

[@craignicholson505]

dam it's good to see that baller working again thanks for the video wez

[@mataiterapreha]

Those vario transmissions just don't inch like a good old fashioned clutch.

[@mattyMcLovinisbae]

nice field

[@michaelowen1750]

will dry hay bale with less power?

[@runk85]

on the fuel things wes remember that a jd only counts the fuel out the tank not what is going back in the return pipe you might have 4 gallon/hr going back in I have checked our with our tank metering pump roughly the in cab meter is about 30% over what is the actual consumption

[@Blazer02LS]

Looks to be about right when you look at the Nebraska tests done with that beast. They show around 15.5 GPH

[@heyhey1956]

On the TractorData.com site it says the JD 8530 fuel capacity is 180 gal [681.3 L] and it fuel usage is drawbar fuel use (max): 15.2 gal/hour [57.5 l/hour] www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/002/7/3/2732-john-deere-8530-tests.html

[@dirtshower250]

Is it possible to tune the 8530? I know there's a few company's that do that. Basically just like tuning a diesel truck ya know better GPH, Power, response etc.

[@xavierjohnson8520]

dirtshower250 most people won't tune a tractor because tractors aint cheap most deeres have the same pump as a 12 valve cummins

[@amcproW]

Would wrapped bales be worth more money than regular bales or would it be a waste of time?

[@muttgusse]

AlexTheGoat mulch hay

[@jackmraz4037]

He mentioned it in the first baling video of last year. He figured it wouldn't be worth the cost of the wrapper and I think he wasn't sure about how good the market for it would be

[@chucklesx]

To be fair to the 8530 I think you need to judge the fuel comsumption both over a full season (in varying conditions) and as a cost of fuel per bale or per ton of hay rather than per hour. If I remember correctly you mentioned in previous videos that you were down a couple of gears on hilly ground in the 8120. If the 8530 is able to keep the baler pickup full all of the time you could easily be baling an extra couple of bales an hour. Those extra 2 bales over your total bale count would mean a lot less hours baling so you could theoretically even save on fuel. Just my thoughts but will be interested to see your verdict at the end of the year.

[@Exserik]

Nice rig! Too bad this tractor doesn't have the front lift linkage. Otherwise you could have brought some kind of rake with you in the front at all times to spread out the bursted bales as you go, without the need for another tractor nearby.

[@pa.heifergrower67]

Takes fuel to make power haha nice tractor ! !

[@andban92]

This strong beast requires alot of food,what did you expected? Also,btw. this rig of 8530 and krone baller look just mayestic!!

[@richardmead9225]

Later this summer...demonstrate a Vermeer R2800 rake.

[@valleyboy2099]

wes makes hay for mushroom barn !!

[@alexl8550]

not surprised about the amount of fuel it uses. over 530 hp. our Jd track tractors in fall burn $800 of fuel a day. Also you should look into getting the 8530 tuned. It costs about 5k but it gains you hp and lessens fuel comsumption

[@alexl8550]

Central Iowa Farmer yep your right. They changed the meaning of the model numbers on the new ones. For example we just got an 8335 and it has 335hp. Forgot that this is an older tractor

[@yamadoo73]

the reason you are burning more fuel when it's pulling is on account of the ivt transmission it takes more power to run compared to a powershift i know from experience we have 2 8330s one ivt and one power shift both hauling cultivaters 9 inches into the ground the one with the ivt burns consistently about 40 gallon more fuel per day more than the other

[@mattmcnabb2230]

william brander I would've thought just the opposite

[@jbmbanter]

Can't wait to see Theresa baling and you sitting in the Buddy seat. :)

[@dcw1540]

Your a very lucky guy to have that nice heper

[@timmattingly2954]

Your safety chain isn't hooked up right.

[@AndersonFarms]

Timothy Mattingly the manufacturer don't make them long enough

[@timmattingly2954]

Anderson Farms maybe on the krone baler but I know John Deere does

[@gib815]

That was the very first thing I also seen in vid, safety improperly hooked to tractor. Right off the bat he screwed up. Here is a link for correct way to do it from John Deere : manuals.deere.com/omview/OMN300488_19/OUO6050_0000499_19_02MAY06_2.htm

[@davidrowley8251]

JGM Thanks for that link to the JD Operator's manual, which shows their recommended way to run a chain thru the drawbar SUPPORT (crossways support bar underneath the true drawbar). On our tractors with this style drawbar arrangement, it can be difficult to get the Safety Grab hook and chain threaded thru this opening, and then fastened back on the chain, so we permanently install either a Long properly rated screw shacke (with loctite on the threads) or a clevis with a high grade bolt and loctited nut, in this position. Then we can just run the chain thru the clevis/shackle and back on itself and make the appropriate amount of slack in the chain. We do also thread the chain thru the opening that is part of or attached to the drawbar (as Wes did), this keeps the chain from hanging down too much and catching hay.

[@Skitzo2294]

up and down, back and forth

[@TommyMillerVlogs]

Love it..

[@09ThomasEF]

0:30 "What the fuck!" LOL

[@John-The-Farmer]

Sounds like the tractor needs a remap to bring the fuel efficiency and power up. All the emissions bollocks will be costing you fuel and power at present.

[@rokadamlje5365]

Maybe figuring out how much more this tractor gobbles diesel would be better done comparing fuel used for say 100 bales...

[@silvershark2843]

wow 1 heavy bailor

[@TheZwerfer14]

That hitch seems so annoying lol next time get the ones with a ball on the tractor and the trailer has one of those cap things

[@ruthannwilliams6890]

THANKS FOR THE VIEDO VERY INTERSTING

[@nathantaylor1625]

Compare the 7530 on the krone bailer to the 85 lol

[@cianosullivan7404]

Just an idea...would it be possible to mount say a 50-100 gallon tank on the baler with a hose reel? Could carry your extra diesel and could be high enough for gravity feed.

[@janvandenbos7085]

Cian OSullivan That makes the bailer more heavy, 8530 must pull even more weight.....

[@autocat9371]

Every john deere salesman tells me the ivt doesn't use anymore fuel than the powershift. Gee it would be great if you could borrow a 8530 powershift to compare them in the real world!

[@Huntmaster1313]

So Wess, have you chimed in on the farmers right to repair his own equipment yet? Does JD own you/your equipment?

[@donmann8400]

Got to feed them ponies. :-)

[@canyonhenning5708]

love your video

[@filipjohansson7286]

Dont stare to much on that gal/hour meter. It wount do justice. You probably have an average meter aswell, and its much more important with fuel/bale or fuel per acre depending on what you do then anything else. See after a few days if it differs much from the other tractor.

[@pfacontractor1573]

What you do with muddy wet hay.

[@darrenslatta]

pfà contractor all his hay is used for compost to grow mushrooms

[@pfacontractor1573]

Darren Bohan : Was thinking that.

[@travishuberts6418]

Ekotune it. More power less fuel

[@cmusic52]

sounds like u may wanna get it tuned some place, but then again it's natural, more powerful= using more fuel

[@HaydenIngram]

problem with having a lot of horses is ya gotta feed em

[@festus51]

John Deere has never been known for good fuel economy!

[@piippeeter]

You should consider chip-tuning your 8530, not because you need power, it gives you better fuel economy. I could even save you like a gallon per hour. And costs about 1000-1500 where I live.

[@deerezilla7013]

Lol when I switched from my 8100 to my 8335r I saw the same thing. With the 8100 4 days the 8335r 2 days but I have a 200 gal tank on it compared to 110. Yep she's a pig. As what my dad said you want power or fuel economy. Wait till you do tillage with it I was pulling a 9 shank ripper got up to 22 gal per hr

[@bobocaterpillar3697]

you can thank EMISSIONS for sucking your fuel away

[@_njegos-1389_._.]

I love john deere

[@mattwilkinson8502]

thumbs up on every video go for the medal!!

[@bikeboyyt932]

the wet hay will clog your machine depending on what model it is