Baltic Fortress Artillery: Finland’s Fixed Guns Refusing Russian Advances

[@juupajuu-s9g]

They will be decommissioned next year. While they have been used for training purposes, their primary role has been historical and symbolic. Finland’s maritime defense is built on far more advanced and effective systems including the MLRS, Gabriel V and Spike missiles as well as our naval mine system recognized as the best in Europe. These assets combined with a highly trained and versatile defense force make Finland a formidable presence in maritime security.

[@herptek]

MLRS is not meant to be a maritime weapon system in Finland. The army operates them and has more use for them. Naval mines and anti-ship missiles are the best methods of today. The coastal jaegers have their own, portable shorter ranged weapons in addition of course. Finland is looking into buying truck mounted artillery pieces supposedly for more mobile coastal artillery use. In addition to the fixed emplacements and fortress islands there used to be a mobile coastal artillery component to the coastal forces during the cold war years that used towed artillery for the job.

[@johndough1356]

Never underestimate brute armor with a gun in it. Though your armor is thin and so are the walls. Syria was mobile too mobile.

[@herptek]

@@johndough1356 Nothing immobile survives a serious attempt to take it down on the modern battlefield unless you are willing to shoot down each and every incoming munition precise enough to land a direct hit on it. Perhaps we could do that for a while, but the precious interceptors capable of doing that are not infinite and there are many more crucial and expensive assets they need to defend as well.

[@liamo8932]

Can't believe they will Finnish using these guns

[@juupajuu-s9g]

@@herptek You are absolutely correct that the MLRS is not primarily a maritime weapon system and is designed to engage land based targets. However, it could also be used in coastal defense scenarios, particularly when rapid and high volume firepower is needed against slow moving or stationary maritime targets near the coast. In Finland, collaboration between different branches of the defense forces is a key element and they work closely together, especially in situations where equipment or expertise needs to be shared across branches. This flexibility means that assets like the MLRS could potentially support broader defense efforts if the situation demands it.

[@tsaranen]

Was FO for coastal artillery back in '02 during my conscription. During a firing exercise I was acting as FO, calling in fire and adjusting fire. The target was a pontoon being towed by a ship. Now when a fire command is given a deviation is added so that while from the FO perspective the shot falls on the target it is actually falling behind or in front of the target by a some distance. Contrary to what you might think we don't want to actually strike the target and sink it. Well someone at the battery "forgot" to add this deviation and I have the rare distinction of having a shell go through the "target net" on the barge. The observing officer called ceasefire and chewed me out thinking I was at fault until battery 'fessed up.

[@jeesjees2]

"korjaus 0 piirua, lautta pohjaan" 🫡

[@matteusvirtanen392]

They are mostly obsolete these days. Finland is slowly buying more and more anti-ship missiles and eventually all of these will be dismantled. It is pretty much accepted that Russia knows most locations so the only real thing they would achieve is absorb some ammunition and slow down the enemy.

[@foleymaj]

They are not obsolete. The fact that Russia knows where they are is not helping at all, if you are not actively lasing the target for precission ammunition. GPS based missiles might have a hit radius of 10m or over, that's not good enough. You basically have to hit this gun with zero deviation to make an effect, which means direct lasing targeting. Which means that there needs to be a russian SOF soldier somewhere doing it, and a russian plane dropping said bomb/missile. Drones are obviously another possibility, but susceptible to AA fire.

[@matteusvirtanen392]

@@foleymaj If hypothetically Russia did go for it I assume that they would hit every known position with the bigger glide bombs in the 500kg+ range. It's not like an approach would be uncontested even then due to stuff like naval mines, anti-ship missiles and to a lesser extent even ATGM's like TOW's placed near important coastal positions.

[@EggwardEgghands]

​@@matteusvirtanen392 There needs to be grey period weaponry also. You don't fire warning shots with anti-ship missiles.

[@SonsOfLorgar]

​@@matteusvirtanen392 I don't know the design criteria for your Finnish costal artillery forts but the most modern Swedish ones were designed to survive tactical nukes and keep firing. They were, unfortunately, completely defenseless against political incompetence and willful ignorance in the early '00s and got disbanded and dismantled in 2003...😢

[@tapio_m6861]

@@foleymaj I have a hard time believing that Russia would be using GPS for anything. Glonass on the other hand...

[@Machines.In.Action]

Seeing these bunkers embedded in the rocks highlights just how well-thought-out Finland’s coastal defense system is! 💪

[@petter5721]

It is obsolete now!

[@Thezftw]

@@petter5721 Yea the cannons are, they have missiles and other things now. But they look cool and classic

[@kennethvenezia4400]

What's the sense of having these stationary guns in a military precision world, and you can find them on Google maps 😮

[@ramikallio1849]

​@@kennethvenezia4400 They are Made in 1980's and before that. Things were different back then. They are still workin, but will be replaced with moving artillery

Switzerland had a similar fixed and bunkered system in the Alps and along the Jura, but there are now out of service because modern warfare makes them vulnerable.

[@ArnoldLarsen90]

The defense is multi layered with tons of troops, mobile anti air, air force, navy etc. It will not be easy for the enemy. Ukraine has shown artillery is still king.This is not similar to Switzerland because they are located on islands where you can't move around the artillery anyway so the base last protection is a bunker system.

[@WioWio-sf5pc]

lol you bring swiss in this topic?....lool

[@tehokotkat]

Yes, but also not.

[@tommir2624]

that archer is sick

[@nobertstanel9428]

Facts.

[@vernongoodey5096]

It’s fine

[@ChevyBM]

The Archer is a wonderful new mobile addition compared the the old stationary guns.

[@2155elmaco]

Näillä uppoaa kaapelin katkojatkin jos eivät muuten ymmärrä pitää ankkuria ylhäällä.

[@tehokotkat]

idän miinat miinoittaa kiellettyjä kaupunkejaan. Stubbi, LADUILLA HEREILLÄ! Muuten hyvä.

[@WeightlessBallast]

Artillery can be used for firing warning shots unlike missiles. Actually, there should be shells that, instead of an explosive charge, contain a sticky pink foam that stinks like surströmming. For marking the culprits. Would that count as a chemical weapon?

[@Abiodun92]

​@@WeightlessBallast If not chemical, it'll surely be regarded as a psychological weapon and a rather cruel one at that. 😂

[@xYarbx]

The replacement will 100% be archers because they are nordic made system so you know they work in cold and also you only need 3 crew instead of the 6 with caesar.

[@hevosenleukajoe]

Patria is developing 155K98 mounted on Sisu E13TP

[@xYarbx]

@hevosenleukajoe I know but to avoid counter battery you really need to move as fast as possible especially on coast where there is not much cover. 155K98 APU & Sisu varients will go to field artillery I would suspect. Costal artillery will develop its own solution. Greetings from Parola.

[@EggwardEgghands]

Finland uses K9 Thunder.

[@SavolaxMitsu]

It will not be archers or any another howitzer gun, it will be more anti ship missiles and MLRS.

[@xYarbx]

@@SavolaxMitsu no point shooting landing craft with anti-ship missile the unit economics don't make any sense. Or once you have hit ship with missile no point double tapping it with missile worth 2 milj € when you can shoot small volley of 155 shells that cost about 1000€ a piece. There is a place for coastal artillery still in this age.

[@BFVsnypEz]

"decommissioned". . . But if war breaks out they will be recommissioned pretty quickly. Plus, even with the sites being known, it will require some pretty heavy ordinance to actually destroy the positions, meaning probably missiles, of which many could probably be shot down.

[@zoolkhan]

i am not sure we are willing to bet the lives of our soldiers on keeping these symbolic guns operating during a hot war. Unlike russia, we are not willing to "waste" our soldiers life in suicide commands.

[@squidcaps4308]

What it really means is that no new troops are trained to use them and they are not maintained anywhere near as often. If they are needed, we will see if they it still possible to make operational. 5 years out of commission and they can be made to work in a day.

[@juupajuu-s9g]

@@squidcaps4308 Yeah, this is exactly what I think will happen too.

[@topiuusi-seppa5277]

If I recall correctly, the naval missiles Finnish navy missile boats have would be range-wise able to defend the entire Finnish coastline while moored at Turku Harbor. But as many have already pointed out the naval artillery, especially the stationary batteries, are more for tradition and worst case scenario back up than the main naval defense. But of course then again Russia has a tendency to go for attrition warfare so Finnish Defense doctrine is kinda designed against it, which means there's a very realistic change of backup of backup of backup getting fielded 😅

[@もりかわにごう]

ここに砲があるというだけでも、制圧のために戦力を割かせる意味はあるから、敵からしたら厄介な存在。

[@potato-masher24]

確かに高価な精密誘導弾とそのプラットフォーム使わせるだけで十分な価値はあるな 戦力としては最低限だけど、放置は出来ない厄介さ

[@ボルオプト大型汎用機]

動画冒頭に出てきたような砲塔むき出しの固定砲は今じゃ精密誘導弾よりはるかに安い RPG７の対戦車弾頭を取り付けたドローンで対処されたしまいそうなのが・・・ ロマンがあるのは認める

[@spaacup-xj6kh]

@@ボルオプト大型汎用機 さすがにドローンはそんなに射程ないよ

[@potato-masher24]

@@ボルオプト大型汎用機 多分だが君が思ってるようなドローンは、弾頭付けると数㎞程度しか飛ばないぞ、シャヘドみたいな専用機じゃないと無理 まあこれも大型・低速で簡単に捕捉されてるけど

[@EF-rg8fk]

時代は違いますがドイツ海軍の重巡洋艦「Blücher（ブリュッヒャー）」はノルウェーのフィヨルドにある要塞に設置されていたクルップ製旧式28cm砲の砲撃で被弾し損傷（その後雷撃による被害で横転沈没）している辺り、要塞砲はある程度脅威であるのは確かです。

[@aspopulvera9130]

it may be obsolete but look at what happened with old ww2 guns still kicking butts during russo ukraine war

[@robbypolter6689]

The nightmare and horror for every artilleryman is a position that lies on a presentation platter. In addition, the battle tower is also completely unprotected. The German positions in Normandy during the Second World War showed this clearly. Despite bunkers, their fixed gun positions were systematically eliminated by enemy ship artillery. In addition, such systems are well known to a potential enemy and are immediately targeted by targeted fire in the event of a possible attack.

[@matlam3894]

Vive l'Europe et sa future armée intégrée!

[@Chan-Lin-Tao]

L'Europe est une province sous contrôle américain. Il n'y aura jamais de défense européenne, les États-Unis ne le permettront jamais.

[@ComfortsSpecter]

By the by That’s not a fixed gun That’s a stationary turret Big difference

[@pexxajohannes1506]

Even bigger is that they are coastal artillery, not navy units.

[@jonnekallu1627]

The 155mm ramjet ammunition being developed by nammo might be a good fit for mobile coastal artillery.

[@aburakadabura2]

Finland is a proud nation that fought heroically to defend itself alone against the invasion of the Communist Soviet Empire. Finland is an example for all sovereign nations.

[@patricklenormand7721]

P

[@parker468]

kiitos kaunis suomen tykistölle, mut muistetaan myös että joka laatta naisen kaataa mutta musta laatta laadun takaa...

[@ボルオプト大型汎用機]

ここのコメ欄ってこんなに英語多いチャンネルだったかな？ ↓ 最近の日本人ってこんなに英語得意な人多いのか（ちがいます）

[@wolfgangr3924]

There is also an anti-aircraft system so that the cannons cannot be destroyed by rockets. This is (unfortunately) what a defended border should look like.

[@stupidburp]

Swap the guns out for lasers and it could form a complementary air defense system. The lasers would counter drones and low flying cruise missiles. Whatever the other anti air systems are would then focus on large high altitude threats.

[@NothernNate]

You got to be prepared with PuXin now days. 👊🏼

[@真田幸村真田幸村]

最後の方に出てきたトラックの屋根に乗っていた機銃がかっこ良かったよ。😊

[@タモさん-w7d]

固定砲台だから自走砲とは違い移動はできないがそれ以外においては格上の性能を持てそうだな。

[@大善-k9y]

第二次世界大戦当時は世界各地にありましたが、今でもこう言う沿岸砲って効果あるんだな・・・

[@ヤス-l4b]

もちろん効果は当時より大幅に下がってるけど、要塞砲の利点は艦艇と違って大口径でも揺れや反動を気にする必要が無い＝精度がいい点ですね。その気になれば分厚いコンクリ等で防備できるので破壊するのに本格的な兵器を投入する必要がありますし もちろん機動力の無さとか撃てる範囲が限られてるとかの欠点はありますが、それらの点は他の兵器で補えばいいのです。接近や上陸を抑止できれば十分

[@Backwardlooking]

👍🏻🇺🇸✌️🇫🇮✌️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@paulflory3532]

Never forget the role of stupidity and arrogance in "modern" warfare, as well as faulty intelligence. Look up the Battle of Drobak Sound, Norway, April 1940. Brand new German heavy cruiser Blucher was demolished and sunk by two 11" shells fired from 1890 coastal guns and two 1900 torpedoes (then 40-50 year old technology). Germans disregarded the fortress as a training facility and apparently didn't know about the torpedo battery. And lesson #2: don't mess with Norwegians. If in doubt, look up the destroyer Stord and the other Norwegian units that served with distinction in the Allied effort in WW2.

[@-NEH-]

They are being decomishioned and replaced as we speak...

[@Freedom7-x6o]

Right!

[@rapatti007]

Next year

[@tehokotkat]

In Finland, No speak, unless something "important". Otherwise, why speak?

[@WYSEEWIG]

They can replace it with VLS. Co-produce Neptune with Ukraine.

[@oceanmariner]

Fixed fortifications are a thing of the past. Gliding smart bombs and accurate missiles ended it.

[@ネコバス]

オストヴァルトゥルムを彷彿とさせる風貌でかっこいい(遠目から見ると迷彩のせいでT-34 mod1943っぽいけど)｡なんにせよ蘇った東方の壁砲塔は現代でも有効やね。

[@田中清-m1d]

それは足りない。ミサイルをたくさん作る必要がある。

[@FuzzyKedama]

Reminds me of the Turrets from Tiberian Dawn and Red Alert 1

[@WeightlessBallast]

Just a couple of days ago I thought that I heard sounds of coastal artillery fire. I did not check the Text TV for firing practice warnings: it is hardly boating season any longer.

[@17cmmittlererminenwerfer81]

Interesting how they have some wooden practice rounds in the mix as well.

[@FLAKPANZER2000]

以前は古い戦車の砲塔を載せていたりしていたんだがな。 補助装填装置付きとは贅沢だな。

[@ramikallio1849]

100mm was old tank. This 130 mm is Made originally to coast gun

[@ulfpe]

Yes Sweden had lots of this type of fortifications. Towards the end of the cold war they where bering replaced with mobile artillerynand missiles. A curous fact,vwhat is now the Archer startedvas mobile costal artillery

[@77aodama8]

固定砲台がまだあるんだね、今は訓練用かな？ 短い期間にどんどん兵器が進化してい君戦い方が変わっていく。 100年後にはどんな兵器になっているんだろうか…

[@T84_BM_Oplot]

日本にも沿岸砲てっ東京湾にいっぱいあったんだよな……

[@lucashinoue2071]

I never heard about this cannon.

[@henriikonen429]

There's a lot of moving parts which can take you on hold and pressure you to death.

[@slebbeog]

3:11 someone has some very unfortunate place for his sauna..

[@naonagata7561]

ここに配属は嫌だな

[@robertneighbors3520]

Without anti aircraft protection they would be toast

[@sustainablesolutions7976]

Finland is going to stop using the 130 mm ammunition. There are already mobile costal artillery that also can aid marines in their operations.

[@andrewpaul3130]

Coastal Artillery is a near extinct branch...but you'll never know...

[@TacticalCaveman997]

They'd need both fixed and mobile artillery in an actual altercation.

[@MikMoen]

It's too bad these are obsolete because of cruise missiles. If they paired the gun batteries with anti-air batteries to intercept incoming then these could still be useful.

[@tkyokinken]

これがそうか。日露戦争後、日本は余剰の兵器を海外に売却した。フィンランドは大砲を買って国防にあてた。この海岸砲はソ連の駆逐艦を撃沈したという。

[@コメント研究所-e4q]

設置場所の開示!! 本気だね

[@tombaht]

These will be replaced with mobile artillery and missiles in 2020->

[@rapatti007]

Still in use but next year ends!

[@n00blamer]

VaaRPsto (mobile coastal artillery) was discontinued some years ago, I served there in 93-94. :_(

[@tehokotkat]

But keep for "tradition". It's good.

[@Alex-o4j4t]

我想知道這些岸防砲能不能承受155毫米榴彈砲的直接攻擊？

[@モフリウム]

ロマンってだけで津軽海峡あたりに設置とか……

[@Ken-ho5xx]

陸奥の４１サンチ砲を再利用しよう。

[@ニゴイスキー]

昔は日本各地にあったんですよ。特に海峡や軍港近くにあり、対馬や壱岐は大きな砲台がありました。 有名で見学できる跡地は横須賀市の猿島です。

[@stupidburp]

Bring back static shore defenses, but with lasers instead of guns. They can be remotely operated from a separate bunker connected to a country's integrated air defense network. Focus on the air threats such as drones and missiles.

[@月うさぎ-h6j]

対艦用？今は対艦誘導弾じゃないと非効率だと思う 固定砲台だと狙い撃ちされるし 歴史遺産かな

[@randywatkins3306]

Come on Putten, play stuped games with FINLAND ! OR THE REST OF THE WORLD ! 😊

[@astroinfinland6680]

You good mate?

[@SHINJP-g2q]

誘導砲弾でもない限り動く艦船には命中しないだろう

[@Einwetok]

Would love to find a source showing the old coastal 12" or 14" guns ripping off a few.

[@brentchristopher7363]

How accurate are they. They look formidable though. But easy target for missiles.

[@cliffordmunro3977]

Lol, they would never be able to get past this stationary line of defenses.....said some guy in France 100years ago

[@和田一志-w8f]

大砲には、デッカイマシュマロ必要なんですね。！！

[@kageshadow9122]

"The Guns of Baltic Sea"

[@sly2392]

NEVER FORGET. DECEMBER 7TH 1941. A DATE WHICH WILL LIVE IN INFAMY. thank you to the men and woman of that era for the freedoms we take for granted. GOD BLESS AMERICA. 😔

[@BjarneLinetsky]

Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom.

[@stupidburp]

Replace the guns with air defense lasers in the same turrets.

[@lintu25]

I think this France 155mm is way too slow in modern warfare, unless you got huge number of those.

[@BjarneLinetsky]

Artillery still has a role to play in modern warfare....What is obsolete are fixed emplacements. Modern artillery dogma calls for highly mobile guns that can shoot and scoot, to avoid counterbattery fire. Camoflage is essential.

[@ArnoldLarsen90]

Mobility is not possible on an island. The only way is fortification and then artillery on boats.

[@Taistelukalkkuna]

Word you are looking for in "doctrine."

[@416HK-j6q]

固定砲台だと位置が知られてる訳だし、有事には事前にミサイルとかで潰されるだけだとは思うけど、移動式砲と組み合わせて多少の抑止力にはなる、、のか、、？

[@もりかわにごう]

@@416HK-j6q 台湾も金門の所にある重砲隊と同じく、存在することで相手にプレッシャーを与えたり、潰すのに戦力を割かせる意味もあるんだろうな

[@МаксБарискис]

Так это стационарные позиции, по 2 ракеты по одной цели и всё!

[@オペレーションズリサーチ運用解析]

Twitterの界隈で話題になったばっかりでタイムリーだな

[@tanagamo]

最近まで反ロシアへの象徴的意味合いの方が高かったんだろうけどウクライナ戦争で戦略性が増した結果ようやくお役御免ってかんじなんだろうね

[@erikwigelandiestad2270]

Norway abandoned most of our costal artillery decades ago 🤮

[@Headloser]

Why are you showing the location of these guns?? I would keep these guns for BACK-UP.

[@billwhoever2830]

these guns are not big enough to cause a threat to a moving warship with the same caliber guns, since the ship is moving it is harder to hit and at the same time the ship can engage with it's own guns or even missiles the land based guns should have either been mobile and camouflaged or armored to survive bigger hits even if you armor up the gun it will be gone with a single gravity glide-bomb or if you want to keep the aircraft safer a cruise missile

[@pauligrisan4865]

HAKKAA PÄÄLLE POJKA LEIKKAA VENÄJÄ

[@ThePearsson]

Looks like the Swedish kustartelleriet

[@ptahoteff]

저게 130mm 강선포입니까?

[@mathew5745]

固定砲台より自走砲の時代やな。

[@김바른생활]

요즘 전쟁은 고정포를 사용하면 않됨 드론 밥됨 군집 드론 좌표 찍어 보내면 살아 날 수 없음

[@Andrew-Locksley691]

At 5:49, did that auto loader just grab that guys ass?

[@zoolkhan]

these guns are a relic from a bygone era. These days fixed guns are toast as soon their positions are known, which they are sinde the day they were installed. russkies have sattelites after all. When they come for a landing, these guns will be put out of their misery first thing after breakfast. Finns know that of course, so you can bet theyre not all we have for coastal defence :)

[@karihamalainen9622]

Training site

[@mitsuyamaeda-sub]

魚雷に切り替えた方が良いのでは…。

[@樺太千島]

後継は装輪自走榴弾砲になる

[@kazuhide_ishikawa]

幼女戦記のオースフィヨルドの攻略戦を思い出した。

[@aksuahkera4052]

Not navy! Coastal artillery.

[@rapatti007]

Part of the Navy since 1998.

[@guerillagorilla4423]

...

[@flashnewlight1075]

対馬に必要だ。

[@pancraziodellozoo]

SI vabbè, i primi a saltare per aria in caso di invasione.

[@もりかわにごう]

金門島の重砲部隊みたい、まあ台湾もフィンランドも進行された経験あるから仕方ないね。

[@UnderTheBanner]

obecnie jedno niecelne trafienie załatwia sprawę

[@alahovi66]

Advaced stuff. Radar fire control and remotely operable.

[@donlucchese7280]

This is a Soviet M-46 towed field gun, modified as a stationary turreted coastal gun. That gun was for many years one of the longest range artillery guns in the world.

[@kawasemi8717]

固定砲台は漢のロマン　日本にも津軽海峡や対馬に置くべき

[@phozon1000]

この手の固定砲台はバンカーバスターのような兵器で真っ先に狙われそうなんだけど場所を晒して大丈夫なんだろうか。

[@astroinfinland6680]

In a wartime situation, they wouldn't be used. They are stationary and therefore easy targets for drones, glide bombs and such. Instead we'd use mines and anti-ship missiles.

[@andikriswanto1022]

Cara seperti itu zaman skrg uda gk bgitu brguna

[@Ijaba42nodalasvetieraksti.]

🇩🇪🇺🇸🇺🇦🇸🇪🇬🇧🇺🇲🇳🇴🇨🇵❤️🇱🇻🇸🇯🇨🇰🇪🇺

[@ТМАМирбек]

Интересно почему 130 мм? Это же советский калибр?

[@TheRegularSmoothy]

One 500 dollar drone…

[@danielcaballito4992]

fab

[@normanlosabia9174]

For me, atmos2000, even if its automatic system is closed, it can still be fired because it can be operated manually,

[@이용정-f8x]

고정포대면 고정 표적이란 뜻

[@tm-y3p]

🇫🇮😊