How to farm like a 9.5k player

[@OldeManMinguiz]

The fact that BSJ puts this content up for free is mind blowing to me, this man is single-handedly improving the player base of an entire game

[@hudsonlazzarin7062]

True

[@GamingDualities]

nice bot profile. free? he gets mad money from it

[@salejuniorr]

@@GamingDualities is it not free on youtube dummy?

[@kh4lytran567]

@@GamingDualities bruh you don't have to pay a single dollar to watch his content

[@uwuLegacy]

@@GamingDualitieswhether he gets paid for it is irrelevant to whether it’s free

[@AMassiveHeadache]

"if you don't have the information, don't" is really engrained for me after today, not usually a carry but i made the mistake of farming without seeing the enemy and fed quite a few times. also, the starting a minute farming the medium camps on dire side, is probably what got me to understand the concept of how to plan to start each minute. thank you BSJ

[@Bartmnzn]

I learned a lot and also changed my perspective being a pos 1 player when I started watching BSJ's content. Because of that, I won 12 consecutive wins as a carry. Even tried the Sven carry and it shreds! Keep it up man you're really helping us scrubs getting better. 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿

[@yeehaw9321]

Sven feels so good with the Level 15 talent

[@michaeljansz4346]

Thanks BSJ for another informative video! Can tell you've been really working on keeping your presentation of ideas concise, which is making your content doubly impactful and digestible. One thing about the idea of passing creeps for more aggressive map positioning (5:42) - you say that "Note that it's not generally worth starting the minute farther forward if you're passing creeps." at 5:50. At that time in the game, you saw heroes bottom and so were looking to get even farther up on the map at the start of the minute, however you said to prioritise clearing creeps around you (while still looking to position farther up). Wouldn't it be better at that point to stack the safer camp, and then still start your minute at the medium camp further up? That way, given the additional time you bought yourself at 5:05, you effectively gain yourself 2-3 additional camps IF the opponent responds to your aggressive positioning, which is what it seems like you're looking for. Almost like a "hope for the best, prepare for the worst" situation that still allows you get the top wave and thus get tower pressure, while still securing efficient farm. Sorry if my question / idea wasn't clear! Cheers.

[@AbhishekBarari]

As a Herald, this video helped me gain 500 MMR and reach crusader rank so esily. Its so important to know this as a lower rank player. In fact this should be made part of the tutorials I feel. Now the most difficult part of the game for me is to find ranked games where I can play Safe Lane carry. Waiting for like 11 mins now for a game where I can play carey

[@gorebello]

After 4 years of Dota playing support and trying to learn carry I have finally realized that "farming patterns" actually means this and not actual patterns thar you should follow to optimize time.

[@truegodmadara9489]

Majority of the players think in the way "I've got N heroes on my lane and my carry didn't hit 11 mins 6 items wtf", and also calculating impact as kills, not some minor moves in the game like pushing waves and checking objectives. I was literally blamed last week for not having my bfury as PA in 15 mins while i was 1st: in a bad match-up, 2nd: wasn't able to see where enemy team is on the map. I won that game after muting the guy who was blaming, but it says a lot about dota players.

[@ItsPhilH]

Perhaps worth considering what vision you needed to farm your way back into the game and then aiding your supports in establishing that vision for you so you can more aggressively farm without risk of overextending, spending more time farming creep waves with knowledge of what’s coming your way so you can either farm away or tp and reset if needed. If your timings are late, that’s down to you missing last hits or farming inefficiencies and it’s up to you to fix that (or enabling your supports to fix that for you). If other players are complaining about having a lot of heroes in their lane and you’re not farming your lane creeps as a result, you’re throwing.

[@klauserji]

i play mainly as pos 3-4, and i wonder how the fuck i was the one carrying the game while my pos 1 got 3-11 with all the space i created

[@esmee6308]

This video gave me flashbacks to the time, this morning, I got the joy of witnessing a p4 doing almost exactly what happened at 12:45, but there was a smoke-gank and the p4 died for his carry. The carry started flaming him for dying. The second hand embarassment was strong. ☠

[@brankbrankbrank]

BSJ, you should make an update to the deadlane concept. It seems to have changed a bit, as they've changed triangle to two camps etc. Or I guess deadlane means to just dodge them as much as possible in the early game, unless you have a ult ready or something similar.

[@jerryevarts]

deadlane is a 2k concept. You go to lane and die. Avoid it.

[@Komintepanatbra]

Great content! Are you able to make a video about this kind of mindset when playing mid or offlane?

[@ifernclownerellayt3522]

Buy time. Always buy time so you got options. Thanks for this, BSJ. Even as a support main, I always tend to shove waves whenever my carries does not feel safe showing in map. If i'm playing 5, i will happily tank the smoke gank so my cores can hit their timings as humanly possible.

[@Mentaltoughness23]

Exactly. Thats how i realized while watching pro games. Pos 5 players doesnt get their items like 25 mins onwards. Majority of the supports around 20 mins only have boots wand and wards. Coz their focused on protecting their cores

[@ifernclownerellayt3522]

@@Mentaltoughness23 by 25 you should at least get a shard if your shard upgrade helps u waveclear or save. I always prioritize shard on warlock. If game gets easy i somehow farm the aghs on venge then rush the shard later on as aghs on venge is free aegis everytime

[@Mentaltoughness23]

@@ifernclownerellayt3522 yep it depends also on the hero choice and depends on the situation of the game if your leading by much or note

[@ifernclownerellayt3522]

@@Mentaltoughness23 always hold on to your gold even if that shiny mana boots tempts you. haha shard is game changer in lots of supports. Even enigma

[@JapeCity]

As a new player, this makes me realize why some people are so good at this game. Meanwhile, I’m just running around aimlessly like a goober

[@casualgameenjoyer4126]

😂 this offends me simply because of how accurately this describes me

[@EGO.BReAKERR]

Or to make it more simplified, they think about the game more Once you start thinking critically, you can find why certain things work and certain things don't It's not like BSJ read these from a book, it's all his own experience/analysis put into simpler words Meaning, almost anyone can come to the same conclusions or even develop the ideas more

[@Romppaane]

Jake Goober 😁👌

[@redman754]

Please don’t play ranked 😥

[@ifernclownerellayt3522]

This violently describes my gameplay years ago when I transition from playing support to carry roles on mid, off or safe. Wayback then, I was ancient7star support spamming grimstroke and disruptor warlock. But when the recalibration happened i got into legend then archon to crusader. 2k mmr carries seldom know how to survive and farm their bkbs way too late when even the pos4 nuker of the enemy can solo kill them. That's why I had to play and learn carry like FV and PA.

[@adamfink8958]

BSJ I like this video. I try to implement this a lot in my games, but often, my teammates are taking my "backwards path" towards the start of the minute (such as triangle when I am top like you are). Not sure how to address this :/ So, not only am I having to pay a lot of attention to the enemy, I have to equally watch my teammates because they're constantly taking farm in what, to me, is an obvious path I am going to be taking. Any tips on this in a future video would be appreciated. This happens too often to be smoking every time.

[@Joel2Million]

It rarely works but I try asking them to leave that farming spot for me

[@oakoat9302]

Just keep pinging where you want to farm

[@fisherman533]

@@oakoat9302 big brain strategy

[@stoneocean4760]

ping the clock, and tell them youre going to farm that.

[@T3hTal0n]

very cool concept -- I'm excited to try it out if I ever get to play a hero with some farming priority :P keep up the good work.

[@chickncz]

12:00 regarding the survivability... So if you would have played against a heavy stunner, would you go for a BKB at this timing as a void, or would you rather build more DPS items so you have some chrono-impact?

[@penliu3826]

Thanks a lot BSJ. This is the EXACT video that we needed.

[@jasonevans2178]

Great video! Going to share this far and wide.

[@DonnyDeleto]

Great Video, is there a key to get the Camera fast onto Your illusions Then rightclicking minimap?

[@alamecommentator1750]

As a support, a request to my carries: 1. Keep your GPM in your mind and farm. 2. If you see your support near enemy and have confidence(based on your item and skills) to kill, Kill and get back to farm. Don’t stand and wait for opportunities. 3. Also, try to farm near your team / tower. So that rest 4 can help you if they want.

[@igotnomilk]

Great in depth content man.

[@faildozer6288]

This video is nice but implies your team respects your farming patterns and are not trying to snag those jungle camps for themselves

[@ItsPhilH]

Your comment is nice but implies you misunderstood the entire point of the video. If you think every creep camp on the map is yours unquestionably all the time, you’re doing it wrong and probably in the completely wrong part of the map for that moment in time. If you actually watch the video, you’ll see there are multiple times where BSJ runs into a teammate around the minute mark and they simply farm away from each other (and back towards different lanes) that next minute as both will have a creep wave to then farm (which provides more gold than every camp except ancients). If you’re letting enemy creep waves push uncontested all the way back to tier 2s and 3s while the enemy are showing all their kill threats on the other side of the map, you’re actively throwing.

[@parham1023]

@@ItsPhilH your reply is nice but it implies that you did not understand what the oc said: what he ment was that there are times that people are assholes and will just run into triangle, and kill the ancients while clearly that was your next camp to farm after shoving the top and farming the medium camp.

[@mc.wildchild]

Imagine playing Dota with everyone on your team knowing exactly what they should do for the greater good and success of team.

[@ItsPhilH]

@@parham1023 if you’re clearing a creep wave and then farming a hard camp before an ancient camp, you’re throwing and honestly deserve to have the farm taken off you as punishment for being so braindead. This gives massive “buying shadow blade as a defensive item instead of as a ganking/initiation tool” vibes. Bounty values are as follows: ancient camp, creep wave, hard camp, medium camp, small camp. Your farming rotations should always prioritise creep waves and ancient camps first as at any moment an enemy rotation could force you from that area before you’ve fully cleared it. In a creep wave or camp, you should always prioritise killing the highest bounty creep(s) first as you may be forced out before you can even fully clear it due to needing to flee or advance to an advantageous team fight. Every second matters, stop wasting them.

[@parham1023]

@@ItsPhilH lol what idiot farm ancient first,?

[@heraldtoimmortal1985]

Thanks for posting!

[@pavelrezac1784]

very nice explain, hope people will follow this advice us carry, that's why I don't like to play carry, you have to just farm a make space, meanwhile your team have fun

[@Eric-le8on]

Need SAP to track this in TI this year. When do fights start/end based on the seconds on the game clock.

[@duis001]

Really informative thank you!

[@ML-if1gf]

Since this is a dated video, I'm not expecting a reply but at lower MMRs should these concepts be applied for supports? During times where it is necessary to shove the opponents safelane as a support i.e. when our team's carry isn't fulfilling that role, or is afraid to do so - should supports also aggressively take enemy farm or disregard and play with the team to make space for the carry?

[@leonnardocr]

Awesome analysys! Would you mind to take a mid replay and make the same analysys? I'm a mid player and as a playmaker sometimes I think like position 1 and tend to farm more than make plays

[@johannes2642]

Thank you BSJ. I always like your content. Greetings from Germany.

[@Saserino]

Amazing video bsj, very informative. This video leaves me with one and only one question. How the hell are you 9.5k mmr?

[@hiwiugilong]

BSJ's contents are really helpful. Kudos!

[@laxmanrathod7225]

Same my thought to improve myself but i dont have pc i hardly manage to play

[@lordwinvillanueva9942]

Thanks man you helped me a lot :>

[@whyimustusemyrealname3801]

so we need to start the minutes at the most aggresif start?

[@vladislavkim954]

Thank you very much BSJ

[@Joedex1625]

what if you pick void safe lane and your pos 5 lane partner is an antimage that also wants to last hit? how do you play the lane then?

[@flangwang]

Could you do a simmilar vid but from a support perspective?

[@Azhi3r]

2:06 I got really confused for a second over there

[@Horchata4lyfe]

Does anyone have the carry formula video BSJ says that he's made another video about? I remember watching it when it came out but I feel like I need a refresher on that stuff cause boy have I been fucking losing.

[@reali-iustlelife2026]

I coulda sworn the title for this vid was "How to farm like me"

[@souvikmitra9627]

From this video, i realised that being a carry my first job is not dying, damage comes after survival.

[@gnar5452]

My games: lose all lanes, everyone in the jungle. Dota supposedly:

[@Fohnzii]

13:40 every time something like this happens to me in the 4k bracket, I get flamed relentlessly lol. Gotta love dota community.

[@vincent78433]

mute!

[@SoraNeku]

This is intuitive but I am glad that BSJ put it into words.

[@js90348]

The only problem with starting to farm far forward for me (at my shit rank), is that my pos 3 4 and 5 assume if there is a camp I'm not at right away, they decide to take it XD

[@keifferkenreyestuazon2625]

what to do if my whole team is AFK farming / stealing my farm.

[@scottbeale1825]

Anyone have a recommendation for someone who covers pos 3 decision making in similar levels of understandable detail?

[@SassyTHC]

This guy explains it so well, and for free is baffling, way better than the gameleap subsciption rubbish, def leave you a sub.

[@nooyess]

I'd like to see a video like this except farming pos 4 or 5!

[@ysaleem7820]

Why have i dropped from crusader to herald? Im 10k behaviour score but i just keep losing regardless if im owning or playing average. It cant be im that trash at the game otherwise i wod stay herald. But im going up and down over n over. Am i missing something???

[@Mordewolt]

these are all valid points, however, my axe is farming my triangle, mid is pushed to enemy t2 unattended and there is no point to tping bot, cause my pudge 5 afk farms there while my mid farms easy lane jungle

[@bardandewan9297]

Thank you sir.

[@hotdawgsgood]

this is a great video ngl

[@razelm]

BSJ Turns british at 3:04

[@federicofernandezlafi252]

this is literally gold

[@chossmedia]

Loving the herald review series, keep it up

[@WhitefoxSpace]

Me trying this in Legend: "Boy that's a rich pos 4"

[@Asian_J3sus]

Quick question: Let’s say I’m farming camps/waves and a teammate comes over to farm the same camp or a wave nearby (affecting both our farm), even though the was more (unsafe/no vision) farm on the other side of the map. What’s a better approach than me telling him to bring a ward with him when he farms in an unsafe location?

[@ItsPhilH]

Instead of burdening a fellow core, ask your supports if you can help them establish vision so you can farm more safely. Ask them to pick up as many sentries and observers as you need and then explain where you’d like vision checked/countered/set up and how to do it if they’re not already aware (E.g. sentry on the low ground to check multiple spots and use a skill to check high ground if they or you have the means). Once you’ve helped them set it up, farm the nearest creep wave and then set your farming patterns around the established vision.

[@mc.wildchild]

That's why there're are farm priorities. Whoever has priority stays, the other one, looks somewhere else. Even though it might be safer for a HC to farm dead lane at times, if you stay with him in the same area you are actively crippling yourself and the other one. Sometimes, offlaner/mid pick carries and they farm as such. You need to have an early recognition of when this might happen, and adjust your farming expectancies accordingly. BSJ did a Jug video explaining how to shift your farming depending on your team's picks.

[@Asian_J3sus]

@@mc.wildchild I can recognise it happen and the other person knows he is doing it too but is blaming it on the fact that he isn't farming well and ignores everything.

[@mc.wildchild]

@@Asian_J3sus indeed so. It's easier that way.

[@LoaWorn]

Learned alot from this Thank you!

[@ishallneverdie2445]

TLDR: *Always farm as aggressively as you can. (regardless of the minute thing) ( and radiant's 12:47 smoke was because: All 3 lanes were pushed out&they were 5 man grouped with all ults ready. *It wasn't because of not seeing anyone. The smoke was good even if they would've seen everyone )

[@random-sr7dk]

After watching this video my height grew by 10 inches and now every time I right click I get a rampage. Thank you

[@kmastermaster]

Very informative

[@Jebu911]

Makes sense too bad i dont play carry but at least this might make me know where the enemy carry is hanging around. But i guess this video was mostly about map and time awareness.

[@alfonsosierra406]

I have 2.2k drunk mmr I wonder what it would be if I became sober

[@4lastime223]

Well played sir banana

[@aksent769]

Does anyone knows, good tutorials like this, just for pos 4 and 5 :)

[@lalrinawmatlau972]

Bsj, how do i know when RS is spawning?

[@lukadoncic6034]

for example roshan killed 18:00, AEGIS will expire at 23:00 and add another 2 +3 (6) mins for early and late respawn, ROSH will be up at 26:00 to 29:00 mins.

[@TheBBoySwing]

@@lukadoncic6034 Its between 8 and 11 min. Not 7 and 10.

[@Segundo_Grande]

That's all nice and fine in higher tier brackets, but when you're stuck in

After watching this - knowing what to do as a carry - but playing a support and see what carries actually do... awwww...

[@mrkaidir7797]

Thank bsj

[@fardin3371]

Hi bsj, went from 650 mmr to 5k because of your videos and coaching replays. Thank you for everything. It's been a fun journey.

[@Kabiriii]

When are you quitting dotes mah goats?

[@RJ---]

Is the fv arcana going to be marketable eventually?

[@ultimatedean1]

No

[@RJ---]

@@ultimatedean1 :( thank you

[@ICE-ph7cv]

W BSJ video

[@MannnisEi]

Hi bsj how do I win as support

[@sensai1983]

Hey BSJ, this is such a good content! I appreciate your coaching sessions, but analyzing yourself gives us the opportunity to understand by example when you're talking about different situations and how to transition between early - mid - late game. Please make this a regular thing. Cheers!

[@Arbfor]

6:52 autotune?

[@pantsuslayer8631]

Damn that sounds like a great strategy, ill practice it, also it's easy to understand for me, thanks

[@HamyHaxxor]

You're the fucking Sun Tzu of Dota.

[@FlameWarProductions]

Came from League to DOTA in 2019 after only playing it very casually in unrated games with friends since 2016 and got hardstuck at 2.3-2.7k for most of 2020/21. A lot of it was just a ton of small, consitent optimizations like intelligent farming around the minute marks, proper defensive agro, general matchup/counter picks and how to proerly itemize. Currently at 5.9k and having a great time learning and improing every game thanks to you and your content.

[@DorkyDango]

Hey man, are you willing to add each other to bounce ideas and learn from each other on the carry role?

[@DissarayJay]

i love that he thinks our problem is that we run out of creeps to hit xD, no BSJ our problem is that after all that farming we die in the team fight and they win the game in the push, farming is not a problem at all

[@hemanthmreddy8247]

As crusader player i can confidently say we run out of creeps as even the 5 and 4 posi tends to take the posi 1 farm

[@walzdexmarc]

Богоподобная игра. Исчерпывающая и полезная информация как для керри, так и для сапа. Еще и for free

[@JayChanLoveMusic]

This doesn't work when your mid and offline needs to recover and all taking the jungle camps

[@vincent78433]

i wish there was a mid player that made content like bsj

[@heraldtoimmortal1985]

I would like that aswell, although im not a mid player

[@hulahula6182]

Henry? Dahtohleong?

[@mikeriggs3891]

I would appreciate support content as i play all roles and the support vids are usually pretty simple theory and then some plays that they only comment from their ranks perspective.

[@vincent78433]

@@hulahula6182 dahtohleong makes a vid every month or so. it's also completely different type of content, though i very much do enjoy his stuff henry, you mean the american guy? his channel is just full game uploads man is also an absolute clown building manta and skadi on puck and other dumb shit

[@xtranormalCARTOONS88]

@@vincent78433 Henry is the best mid lane content creator on KZbin, skadi on puck is a perfect, item, his shard means you hit all hero's with a auto, so it applies the slow, attack slow, and health degen to every body, same reason why you would go deso, it applies the - armour to everyone, if you think his builds are dumb, it's because you're not far enough into Dota to understand the way he's playing, which is why you think his content is bad

[@jumjumjr.6161]

I saw that. 😁

[@changmao7083]

Was a bad chrono though

[@AliceinEntropy]

"your team carried you" it IS a team game? you won't shine and crush every game anyway.

[@allanc_me763]

I have carpal tunnel syndrome guys. Cant play dota anymore 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@justicereborn8296]

Good analysis. However please make a video of how to farm when all lanes have lost and the enemy team controls 80% of the map.

[@zanido9073]

I do this but i'm 3.4k

[@wardw695]

When he gets tired watching low rank students :) Coach urself

[@tiagow95]

Gold value

[@NimaTareh19]

Need a coach C'mon its full mate

[@JuanSanchez-hq9pn]

Dota is hard

[@ostinvt]

This video is wasted time for 85% of the players! But good job anyway!

[@shaolinhabibi]

lol super improtant to play on the mintue if oyu are high mmr. On low mmr you get whatever you can cvuz your mid is farming , your support is taking safe farm, your offlane is farming and you get whatever you can wherever you can without dying. Fucking bullshit from these "high mmr guru". Let me tell you the secret to going from 2k to 6k just like that if you have the game knowledge, but you don't have time to climb with 55% winrate because of all the smurfs - watch smurfs on meepo and Arc. Copy them, lose 50 games , lose 100 games, learn the hero. Then enjoy your 80% winrate, even with people feeding in your team once you go on a win streak and the mathcmaker sends you bad players. Get to 5k only then you start to play something resembling Dota where this will help you. I mean this helps in 2k too, it's just that it takes a shit ton of time to climb at 55% winrate while enduring the teammates you will get literally the second you go on a big winstreak. Call it bullshit, I call this bullshit. Well if you enjoy playing with people that don't know anything about Dota and can afford to climb for a year watch BSJ here and there for tip a or two that works mostly in environment where people play dota and supports exist.

[@michaelyoon9355]

Yea, i don't understand this video at all.

[@ciupanezubogdanel]

"Hey guys, so this video is going to be analysing my own replay th emphasise a concept that has come up in countless coaching sessions for me..." *Me looks at bottom right corner of the screen in the first 10 seconds*: "That you're the type of dummy who spends too much money on the battlepass?

[@ItsPhilH]

I mean if you can write it off as a business expense why not?

[@ErteiAblaou]

comment!

[@DrKittens]

100% useless this is not the reality of the games today.

[@nikolozvacheishvili7454]

2nd

[@jcnicanor999]

1st

[@diseasesjesus5078]

I need to party up with similar mindset ppl who are continuing to learn every game. I never lose a game without having some sort of takeaway to learn from. Support player steadily rising 4.3k