BANDS THAT CHANGED THEIR SOUND & FELL OFF (or didn't)!

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

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[@southendbusker7534]

that things a meme by now

[@Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence]

Man, the quick 18 Visions quip is the truest thing to be said here. Their last album is probably buttrock but I love it. Self titled SS album is a good album. Just not fully in line with "Suicide Silence Cannon"..... that's two pin point perfect assesments in one video!

[@Grimeyhoob]

Load was a good fucking album whatchu in about?

[@modest_mind2526]

Hey Finn I know you've mentioned this before but what do you do for a living?

[@robbyolinski1450]

When bands drastically change their sound like like rinsing your fans

[@El_Bartto]

"Some artists hate their fans at some extend" Imagine being in a k-pop band...

[@handel1111]

El_Bartto most toxic and cancerous fans ever

[@TheRealityofFake]

Yeah that's gotta be tough. They have to interact with their fans A LOT from in-person fan meets to regularly streaming online. But they're expected to be nice like all the time. And even when they're addressing stalkers they can't be too critical

[@AssortedBits]

The K-pop and J-pop industries show how far managers can go without delving into actual slavery. But the fans will screech if you tell them that. Horrible music industries.

[@laserbeamlightning]

AssortedBits it’s so over glorified too and it terrifies me. That and as an Asian dude the girls that are into that with made fetishes creep me the f out

[@alejandroramirez4470]

Yeah, more and more you hear some artists killing themselves

[@closinginonclosure]

Thrice is a great example of a band who's changed drastically over the years, but remained successful. AFI is also an example of changing and becoming more successful.

[@jburdsinfuse]

I love all versions of AFI...great guitar work

[@boxofnicecrayons]

Definitely agree about Thrice. I was a huge fan early on and then wanned, but the last few released have brought me back as a fan. Great example of a band growing with their audience.

[@Soldano999]

AFI are good they manage to change drastically their sound but also they're unmistakably AFI. Still some albums are better than others (sing the sorrow and burials)

[@damnthebran]

That's why I love Thrice. Plus they oddly seem to grow and change with my taste ever since I started listening to them 20 years ago. Been my favorite band since.

[@jseaux]

I got into AFI back in the late 90’s and was a huge fan of there’s for the longest time. Their last couple of albums I felt like they quit taking the chances that they used to. Thrice is just as nostalgic for me, I loved , then didn’t care, then really dug them again.

[@kodyepidemic]

I think you need to make a “We need to talk about Danny Worsnop” video

[@edward6749]

Lifestyle wise he’s changing for the better. Career wise, his music is up in the air at this point. We are Harlot seems dead (idc if they get back together and make new music - it’s dead). Asking Alexandria’s latest LP was the weakest record they put in their discography and a label change or line up change seems inevitable. His solo stuff? It’s alright. Shades of blue was just there

[@justinking3127]

I’m 100% here for it

[@dev_with_me]

I think something that makes BMTH successful is that they are constantly changing their sound. They did after their first album. So when it keeps happening, it’s not such a surprise to fans like it is with other bands. It’s kinda expected at this point.

[@anthonyfigueroa4453]

Yep true wonder what's next their comment section for each song is funny

[@yeoldboy8793]

They’re true secret is oli Sykes with him as your lead singer you can do anything

[@DrClocktopus1]

Scene kids who changed their sound and became insanely successful EDM acts? There has to be *Moore* examples...

[@flmattj]

I see what you did there

[@lastnameawesome8982]

Its too dark to research that rn, guess ill wait till its *sonny* out

[@BelieMyBurial]

@Charlie Kelly jesus, there's a name i haven't heard in an eternity

[@kylebible]

@Charlie Kelly BOOM SNAP CLAP

[@Graydonmf]

bass-nectar (kind of)

[@ScottMosier12345]

Three words: Faith No More. Granted, they never settle on a sound, but they are awesome at playing swing, funk, metal, rock, and blues (then play Spanish guitar songs).

[@artiegohome]

Came here to say what you did. No band spit in the eye of commercial success like FNM did in '92. They released an album that literally nobody who bought The Real Thing asked for, and for my money Angel Dust stands as the greatest realized vision of the alternative movement. I've come to think of it as the Sgt. Pepper's of our generation and like The Beatles, FNM continued to take musical left turns with every subsequent release.

[@ПетърПетров-д9т]

Oh yeah. FNM do what they want and it's always of high class. The "King For A Day..." album is just a little example - it's got a ton of musical genres in it and I can bet some nu metal bands drew inspiration from it.

[@loganrunjack]

@@artiegohome mr bungle

[@debbyclowner]

+1 FNM was palatable Mr. Bungle (love both btw)

[@vant2497]

Love Faith No More but Angel Dust will always be my fav just something about that album

[@cafdo]

"Brock Lesnar Audience" is the most descriptive term ever.

[@shortty7618]

Lmao

[@tweeztweet287]

Brrrrrrrrrrawk.....LESNAR

[@SairajRKamath]

If only we could be built like Brock lesnar. That dude is a BEAST in the metaphorical and literal sense

[@robmoney]

But most people hate that part timer.

[@deepvoicedude4749]

By that Finn means that we only listen 4 times a year.

[@lebowskiachiever7685]

Surprised no mention of the great transition Pantera pulled off, maybe the most successful example of a good sound upgrade without having to change the band name.

[@google_was_my_idea_first]

My first thought as well. Although their fan base was basically non-existent in the Power Metal years. They had to do *something* or they would have been just another metal band that never made it. Maybe the Dimebag and Vinnie would have finally gone off and joined Megadeth. Who knows...

[@russian3736]

Yeah this is just kinda centered around bands whose members were born after 9/11.

[@google_was_my_idea_first]

@@russian3736 Yeah. It only starts off with those Gen-Zers Metallica.

[@russian3736]

@@google_was_my_idea_first metallica doesn't count. They're like slipknot everyone's beginner metal head band.

[@royalcat10]

@@russian3736 Most of the members of bands in this video were born in the mid or late 80s to mid 90s for the youngest, like every single one of them are almost 30+ or some even approaching 40. Most all of the bands mentioned here have been making waves in the punk and metal scene for like 15 or more years. I think it's time for you to crawl out from under that rock if you think any of these bands are particularly new or young lol.

[@UhOh_ItzJDX]

Avenged Sevenfold... they slightly alter their sound with literally every album and improve greatly while still keeping their heavy metal roots, they've always experimented with their sound, and in 2016 they released their BEST album to date, The Stage, which is definitely progressive metal with traditional heavy metal at heart that still manages to keep a sense of mainstream accessibility, hence why they're still one of the biggest metal bands of this century... in 7 albums A7X went from metalcore, to heavy metal, to a mix of metal, hard rock, country, and some cinematic Tim Burton-esque song, all on their self-titled, to a classic metal sound most reminiscent of black album-era Metallica, to progressive metal... they may not have entirely changed genres and all but they are definitely extremely versatile and obviously talented as hell and I'm honestly anxious to hear what they put out next

[@johnnymorningstar2855]

I was into a lot of other metalcore bands when A7X City of Evil was rising in hype but I didn't really get into them until years after Rev died. But listening to their old stuff is like listening to classics. Can't remember ever looking up the lyrics to any of their songs yet I know the lyrics to a lot of their songs. They've stayed solid thru and thru

[@GeorgeZimmermen]

Nah, all my good friends were huge a7x fans in the 2001-2003 era. Once city of evil came out, they all dipped and hate that band now. I wasn’t even a big fan but I would agree. They are a butt rock metal band now. Waking the fallen better than the garbage they put out now but I was more of a trivium, killswitch and lamb of god guy for that era and genre

[@UhOh_ItzJDX]

@@GeorgeZimmermen have you listened to The Stage?? or are you just basing that off of Hail To The King? or maybe you just don't like their music, that's fine, they're far from a butt rock band tho, if post-1993 Metallica is good, then Avenged is great... they don't have to make the heaviest shit out there, they're a mainstream metal band at the end of the day, but they're not just metal musicians, they're great songwriters, they're all talented at what they do, and i wouldn't call a band with no bad albums a butt rock/metal band

[@GeorgeZimmermen]

@@UhOh_ItzJDX to me and my group of metalhead friends, they aren’t takin seriously anymore. Sure, jammin some old a7x is still ok, but I guess what I’m getting at is a7x changed and for some of us, the change was for the worst. They are a radio metal band now and that’s fine, but there is a reason they have a bigger audience when they went softer or more basic in the songwriting. It’s metal for casuals now which is ok, but people who truly love metal music are gonna toss them to the side as less than. I know I do

[@dpark551]

@@UhOh_ItzJDX The production of The Stage is not good at all imo, I can barley listen to it for that reason alone.

[@paveyshreds705]

Super intrigued what a Suicide Silence ska album would sound like now

[@ConcreteDream]

word up did not know about that

[@WilliamMaranciMashups]

You didn't bring up Lulu, the best Metallica album

[@chancebattenberg8400]

Bruh you gotta use a lulu song sometime lol

[@gregcalvert1604]

😳

[@ConvincingPeople]

William Maranci This but with zero irony.

[@El_Guapo74]

Even the most ardent metallica supporters don't even know it exists too. I always remind them when I can

[@bobrivera7711]

I AM THE TABLE!

[@jesselucero4581]

I feel like Thrice is a perfect example of a band that continually changes their style and have remained successful.

[@emmanuelgoldstein8233]

Man, Thrice is great.

[@Sebasdecline]

Damn right!

[@paulathienides1376]

thrice! great band and great call dude!

[@fredriksvard2603]

Sepultura

[@emmanuelgoldstein8233]

@@fredriksvard2603 Only good Sepultura is Schizophrenia and Arise. The rest is shit.

[@isaiahperrry]

I think Opeth is a fertile target for this topic. I like they later rock stuff, but daaaaaaamn do some fans hate it.

[@TheRealXenosapien]

They've been my absolute favorite band for about 20 years, I love every single record but I know I'm in the minority when it comes to that.

[@Shredxcam22]

I was obsessed with the Blackwater park era. But the new stuff I'm meh on. In always into a bands older stuff. Older TDWP. Old BMTH

[@apoplexiamusic]

i really love older Opeth, and listened to each of their albums up until Ghost Reveries and loved everything. I understand why they might want to play prog rock and the transition to a more prog rock sound was definitely there since the late 90's... I just wonder what it would be like to have Opeth songs that are are tight and heavy as those on Ghost Reveries but with only melodic singing... that would be like... better than Dream Theater (which i mostly like until they get into the cheesy ballads, awful keyboard sounds and mostly grating vocals)

[@dannorris642]

A ton more people dig recent Opeth than you might realize. It's especially true of us older Opeth fans. Plus, they have a whole host of new fans that didn't pay them any mind back when Mikael screamed.

[@hashbro298]

Rock Opeth is really good, but metal Opeth is GOAT tier.

[@alexmonro1711]

Breaking news: Code Orange has revealed their new project - Code Orange and The Lesnar. It's an acoustic folk project featuring Brock on tambourine.

[@GonzoCiosain]

Unironically I'd give that a listen. They'd better make an extremely durable tambourine though so it doesn't get destroyed immediately.

[@ConcreteDream]

crazy sic

[@NapoleonBlownapartMMA]

i got recommended a Code Orange song called "Dreams in inertia" on spotify a while ago. I had never heard them before and thought the song was fucking amazing. Then i listened to the rest of their output which was absolutely abysmal and couldnt believe it was the same band :( Lesnarock is about right.

[@anthonyfigueroa4453]

And then the end of the album has the fiend doing the screams

[@ladev91]

Lol

[@DavidDantePhoenix]

“I told you I go by William now” literally Billy Corgan

[@xisumavoid]

It would be interesting to see a study on bands who diversify their sound versus ones that don't and how that correlates to popularity. I would agree with your hunch that it probably doesn't work most the time.

[@blaythessteuer]

my worlds are colliding let’s go

[@izzyman4618]

Bruh xisuma!!!!!

[@matthewgodding777]

Plus side: I'll buy your album Downside : ONLY I'll buy your album...

[@SuperM3L0]

Didn't expect to see you here, X. I'm all for it though.

[@decanusseverus8773]

It’s pretty touchy because I could use slipknot it as an example to both disprove and prove your point, slipknot through time was never one thing and continues that it is it’s own sound constantly evolving, but for continuities sake let’s just say it’s metal... metal in general or rock is not mainstream anymore and it doesn’t really do well, however slipknot now fits a niche

[@johanericsson7309]

Part 2 pls. A couple of bands I would like to see covered: Parkway Drive: After 4 albums of metalcore, they went in a different direction, with lead vocalist Winston McCall stating that they've "outgrown metalcore". While most of their core fanbase can't stand their last two albums (I think they're decent but not as good as their early material), their new songs are WAY more popular (8 out of their top 10 on Spotify are from the past 2 albums). Avenged Sevenfold: Altho you've done a video on them already, would be interesting to hear abt how their fans reacted to all their changes (personally, I think Nightmare is their best album, with City of Evil being a close 2nd). Paramore: While I don't like anything they've done after Brand New Eyes, their newer songs seem to do rly well. My theory is that they gained more of a mainstream following with their self-titled album which more than makes up for the ppl they might have alienated.

[@bce5150]

Parkway really broke my heart with those last two albums.

[@johanericsson7309]

bce5150 Some of their new song like Wishing Wells and Chronos are actually rly good imo (I also enjoyed A Deathless Song ft. Jenna McDougall, mainly for the vocals), but they’ll never top Horizons or KwAS.

[@Commandercolt44]

I’d like to see a part two! Maybe throw in Linkin Park and Thirty Seconds to Mars in the next one

[@Jarlaxle_Baenre]

30 seconds to Mars disappoints me so much. For all the talent Leto has, he’s an absolute dumbass sometimes.

[@majikmooses]

In Flames would be an obvious choice for a part 2.

[@mattrichardson5825]

For some reason in flames is the one band that I've liked every album through all their stylistic changes. No idea why though. To me it seems that in flames changed a little bit on each album, not a huge change all at once like some of the bands that Finn mentions here

[@kotanovakota]

Sepultura too

[@jaygage1555]

I still love In Flames but this is so true lol

[@Makron220]

Opeth too.

[@maciejnowak666]

Absolutely. I'm one of those people that was not very happy with reroute to remain. I did see In Flames support Iced Earth in 2002 before the musical change in directions

[@lolmee2696]

one thing why it works for BMTH is because theyre genuine. its clearly the music they want to write and you can tell. for example MMF just seems to be a bad attempt to sell out. also BMTH always have this BMTH twist to things, their imagery, the lyrics, the videos, the overall themes are always BMTH. it all makes sense and I think thats because oli sykes is such a great creative director.

[@bengreenbank]

Even then almost no one who was into bmth in the reflections/count your blessings days still likes their new stuff. They are definitely an example of a band who got an entirely new fan base. At bmth gigs these days half the crowd weren’t even alive in 2004 when they were playing deathcore

[@nicolasa.3192]

Yeah, at this point it seems like they're genuinely doing their own thing now. They're starting to innovate with their music and I can't wait see what they do next, and if it'll take off

[@kuranhelix278]

@@bengreenbank Let's be honest most of the "haters" now are just "It isn't heavy so it's bad". I personally love every "era" of bmth, I love that new "experimental-pop/Alt rock/whatever it is-rock/metal songs recently (Ludens and Parasite Eve). I belive that if they were to write something as a fucking full on orchestra with choir singing, there'd be a reason. That said I really think they can go in any direction and you won't really go wrong. I dunno

[@roxycocksey]

Yes totally agree! That’s why they’ve been my favorite band for well over a decade.

[@coleG112]

Truth. You can tell by Parasite Eve’s BTS, they just love writing and doing stuff. I mean they did a “what if? Why not?” and got friggin MICK GORDON to make sounds and pitch in production ideas. They don’t care about being heavy, but if they want to write something heavy they will. If they don’t, they won’t.

[@VolkmasterBlood]

"They transitioned from scene kids to military wife and beer people." Mate, you're from Ohio. You know at least half of those scene kids just evolved into the other type.

[@tylerstanley578]

True I feel like the Asking Alexandria scene kids just all kind of grew up a little bit

[@GVilleAnarcho]

That's the conclusion I expected him to arrive at. But he never did. Those kids grew up and a bunch of them just happened to turn into those types of folks. At least it's far less jarring than watching punk kids grow up and somehow convince themselves into thinking right wing politics are truly punk.

[@matthewgodding777]

@@GVilleAnarcho that last one depresses the shit out of me....

[@jeepmanxj]

It's all the same toolbags just a different age. They pump out what their crowd listens to. A bunch of those bands were signed for gigs at a local shit bar where me and a bunch of my buddies played and hung out. I've never seen a bigger disparity in a crowd in my life. One side of the bar was a group of dudes, mostly overweight from drinking, sweaty from beating someone's ass in a mosh pit, drinking pbr and rotgut. The other side you had enough hairgel and makeup to make ulta beauty jealous, jeans so tight they had to stuff their junk up their asses, hands full of wine coolers, and enough desperation to scare away every chick in 1000 miles. When they left they were glad they were wearing makeup because they got their asses beat the fuck down in the pit. Good times.

[@chazhartwayne6493]

I feel like you can't put Suicide Silence into the same category as other bands because.. of the death of Mitch Lucker. We don't know in what direction they would have gone with him.

[@HeatherHolt]

This is a good point

[@anthonyfigueroa4453]

Deathcore died with Mitch jk

[@AlexGreat321]

They were most likely going to have nu metal stylings with Mitch anyway. The Black Crown had a lot of nu metal influences (riffs and Jonathan Davis on a song) plus they all liked that stuff anyway from interviews

[@Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence]

@@lifestylegaming2377 I dunno.... Become The Hunter is easily their best album and Eddie smokes it. I think they would have progressed in the same fashion. And SS's "Deftones" era wasn't that much of a depature. Gave Alex's lets a rest.

[@666abigailwilliams]

you can say the same about metallica when Cliff died

[@tpags7398]

Sees Hetfield: Clicks: This should be fun...

[@matthewroberts3125]

YEAH-AH

[@7sins979]

Zombie EP is still an epic album, it will be my soundtrack for the apocalypse 🤣

[@zaboknowsbest13]

BMTH grew very naturally into their sound, I would hardly say it was some kind of calculated move to stay relevant.

[@justinh.1290]

The Courtney LaPlante shot is gold! “It’s time for singin’ and then some screamin’ “

[@apoplexiamusic]

that video is pretty impressive

[@noaheast7600]

Spiritbox is so goddamn good

[@Ninjamanhammer]

@@noaheast7600 Saw them live just before quarantine hit. They're awesome!

[@areuouthere2103]

I love Spiritbox

[@kylesnyder9452]

“The funnel cake booth next to the marine recruiter booth” that shit had me rolling! 😂

[@floydsemlow8253]

☝️😂😂😂😂😂🥂🤟💯

[@j3rkcat]

the lack of AFI is weird here. they feel like the booster children of changing your sound

[@sherriffchris]

Agree. Hard agree. They did it the most effective out of any band in punk rock IMHO. Each album progressed from the last.

[@DavidDantePhoenix]

I second, or third, this. Not only do they change it up every release, but they are very explicit about it. I’ve heard their (awesome) guitarist Jade Puget once say in an interview that you have to keep moving forward even if people won’t like it- that doing something new is always better than a return to form. They walk the walk in that regard. As a longtime fan of theirs I respect this outlook, however like many of their fans, I can’t help but think “man, wouldn’t it be great to hear more of their hardcore/post-hardcore sound again?”

[@vanjabulajic1573]

You mean poster children?

[@AlligatorArms]

I’ve always thought of AFI as being most similar to Metallica in that they have a lot of fans of their early era (Black Sails, maybe Art of Drowning and earlier), they have a lot of fans of their modern era (Sing the Sorrow forward), but seemingly very few who like both.

[@FESTIVUSIVDRUMMER]

Im sure everyone can agree TDWP’s Zombie EP is straight fire

[@kylebible]

No.

[@EEKmusic]

@@kylebible yes.

[@kingphilipxiv]

Space EP is also a flame

[@mckinnonwolf7877]

K Tierney idiots shouldn’t be allowed to have opinions or internet connections

[@notstarboard]

I miss the good old days of playing Nazi Zombies while blasting Zombie EP.

[@schrotestthehero]

Definitely a part two. I feel like Wage War just did that with their latest album. They put out two bangers and then BOOM radio butt rock out of nowhere.

[@williamharrington6383]

The contortionist took a HARD left turn. Still phenomenal.

[@notstarboard]

Their new sound suits them so well!

[@brooks9184]

Yeah I saw them a couple years ago on tour with periphery and they were both amazing

[@mattrusso4039]

Still miss the old stuff tho:(

[@captweirdbeard]

The Contortionist are on such a fascinating artistic trajectory. I remember writing their first album off because the core was too strong for me (yea I was that guy, sorry) and then being mind blown by clairvoyant. And then all of a sudden everything they had done previously made total sense and I love all of it. Most hyped band for me right now!

[@mtjm]

I hated that left turn, I miss Last chance to reason.

[@byronbowler]

One of the things that bring me the horizon did was gradually change their style as opposed to just going from count your blessings to amo and I think that made the eventual release of amo way more digestible. Great video fin, I think a band that changed their style and pissed off a few fans but took them to that Headliner status was Parkway Drive.

[@AlexGreat321]

Me and my friend say Parkway's last two albums have been their most consistent compared to previous stuff. There was definitely filler on their previous albums in my opinion

[@bengreenbank]

Even then almost no one who was into bmth in the reflections/count your blessings days still likes their new stuff. They are definitely an example of a band who got an entirely new fan base. At bmth gigs these days half the crowd weren’t even alive in 2004 when they were playing deathcore

[@mikemac1034]

Ben Greenbank been a fan of everything from suicide season on. Don’t really fw count your blessings tho

[@SoapyTaco]

Avenged Sevenfold is another one. When City of Evil came out a lot of their fans didn't like the lack of screaming/metalcore of the first 2 albums but they ended up getting a lot of fans and recognition from the style change and have changed it further with classic metal and prog metal albums

[@woodyhorton8537]

I came on board with city of evil then ended up loving their old stuff too.

[@KeepTheGates]

I was one of those

[@shadowedlvnar1635]

Avenged Sevenfold? Are you talking about that famous Metallica cover band?

[@pauloh.2588]

Linkin Park, 30 Seconds to Mars, Avenged Sevenfold, Atilla, there's a lot of stuff that could be here

[@ConcreteDream]

if you love linkin park check out concrete dream

[@daveisnotamused1600]

but attila dissapoints everyone since they put out their first song tbf

[@luizfilipe4226]

@@daveisnotamused1600 Rage is a really Fun and a solid álbum, outlawed too. Their guitar work was really dope. Fronz vocals used to be more organic. The lyrics never were poetic, but they at least used to be more honest, than Just " yall, lets piss of the haters, im a badass, If you dont like this you are a pussy, SUCK MY FUCK". They start to act like a emmure parody Band just playing chuga chuga.

[@mloyd64]

All that remains

[@danielstarr9037]

I’m surprised LP didn’t make this vid

[@AudraReinsOfficial]

I'm early af and you're probably going to say this, but I'm walking the dog so...I feel like the bands that are successful in changing their sound is because they're truly committed to the change and often are playing with their sound, whereas changing style specifically to be radio friendly...idk, you can hear the difference.

[@caffeinatedinsanity2324]

I'm thinking about Sum 41 and Propagandhi as examples of successful changes of direction

[@bananaman4589]

StageDiveBomb number 0 Sum 41 put out a heavier album last year and it was so refreshing. Most pop punk bands go more pop but they went heavier and it was incredible.

[@HeatherHolt]

Hi puppy 🐶

[@midasvanoene1586]

A really interesting example of this is Opeth I think. They just do whatever they feel is right, even though I don't really dig much of newer stuff - they're generational talents (the dichotomy between Damnation and Deliverance is really telling a story about the kind of artists they are) . Who knows in a couple more years Ill be able to appreciate the newer stuff as well.

[@brisketbbqbob8306]

@Brandon Greenhalgh - don’t forget thrice

[@DanielPecoraro]

Had to come back here just to comment - I think we need to tread lightly on the Metallica discussion. Obviously Finn - you're the GOAT and did a magnificent job with the video. We've all argued endlessly about Metallica's turn when they went to the Black Album, Load, and ReLoad...and I think collectively now - in 2020 - those albums are regarded and received well by metal and Metallica fans...granted although, hated at the initial time of their release. To this amazing music discussion and very loaded conversation...I'll say this: Finn, how was Metallica supposed to survive if they didn't evolve? The Black Album by far catapulted the band to rich millionaire megastars, and did more for them in the mainstream than Kill Em All, Justice for All, Lightning, or Puppets could have ever dreamed. They needed to follow-up in a way that didn't depart too much from the Black Album with Load and ReLoad. More importantly however - think about the timing. The 90's was full-on Grunge with Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Red Hot Chili Peppers, STP, etc. and pop-punk with Green Day, Offspring, and Blink and eventually Nu Metal...where was the long-hair, black leather jacket, tight jeans, and dark boots look and sound of Thrash Metal supposed to go? It would have been very dated for Metallica to continue being Thrash. Look at Anthrax, Megadeth, and Slayer...they all stayed in their era and lane and non evolved to Metallica's level of megastardom and "Godfathers of Metal" status. Also...at that time, I remember Metallica co-headlining or headlining alongside popular acts dominating the airwaves like Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, and Slipknot. So in a way...Metallica had to ditch the outdated sound and look in order to survive. True, they turned their back on their original fanbase and Thrash sound...but nowadays, most look back at Black/Load/ReLoad with a positive outlook. If it weren't for those albums...if the Thrash sound just continued through...would Metallica have survived and been crowned the Gods of Metal and granted untouchable immunity? Everything has to evolve to survive...our favorite bands are no different. Metallica still sells out stadiums around the world within minutes...can other bands say the same? All these years later...

[@ippotsk]

Although you could also say that by staying in their lane, the rest of the Big 4 of Thrash managed to rack up less "hate from their fans" over the past decades than Metallica have gotten in a single given year. Even if Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer aren't really household names like Metallica these days, who's to say that it may not be what they wanted all along? Just a thought.

[@botaniccal]

Metal and rock fans are the absolute worst It's either a Volbeat, Seether, or FFDP thing where the fans are like "yeah, we like it, but its literally the exact same thing as the last 3 albums" or it's a Metallica, Faith No More, Slipknot, Pearl Jam, or Korn thing where it's "wow this isn't like what they used to do, this sucks." I always like to think about it this way: if it came from another artist, would I like it? Because I would love the black album and ReLoad if it came from someone not named Metallica, so I just like those albums instead of bitching and moaning that it isn't Puppets again

[@DanielPecoraro]

@@botaniccal Very much agree with this sentiment. Many times when I hear a striking departure from a favorite band...I ask myself the same thing...If I didn't know who this was, would Iike it?

[@Lenzis]

BMTH made a song specifically to piss off the fans that always complain about their musical changes

[@trimalchio7336]

This ain't heavy metal!

[@Bornagainvillain]

It's just some kid on the gram in a Black Dahlia Tank...

[@bethanyyzxd]

Some kid on the gram says he used to be a fan but this shit ain't heavy metal.

[@Skippyx]

Hahahah, originally I thought it was such a kick on the face, but its grown on me so much.

[@Themetalwookie666]

Well in Job for a Cowboy's defense, you could kinda tell that they were gonna go that death metal route.

[@jakefoster5611]

I think that's what they wanted to do all along, but either made a scene album to get more popular than tech-death would have, or just became better musicians. Or both.

[@benjaminherrera1987]

Yeah i remember back in those days i was in some metal forums and the narrative i saw was more in line of "deathcore is trash but Job for a Cowboy and Carnifex are kinda decent" and they were signed to Metal Blade which of course signed bands in the more metal side of metalcore and deathcore.

[@NsiderCustomrobo13]

I kinda agree, but I think they took some of the criticism to heart that influenced their change. They went from doing pig-squeals every song and being the most well known band in the genre for that vocal style and deliberately did 0 pig squeals on everything after Doom. They clearly thought they were sick when they made Doom, but it was the aspect "real metal" fans hated the most and scene kids liked the most. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHqTqIejptiCg8U

[@tjsdrums4977]

With roots above and Branches Below is a ridiculously great album.. they should’ve stuck with that sound

[@thxmpsxn]

tomspevakdrums cover to cover it was fantastic. One thing I really liked about TDWP during their progression was that their music sounded more cohesive & put together (especially 8:18, Dead Throne, Zombie EP) compared to when you listen to like HTML Rulez D00d which sounds like they’ were focused in the breakdown & will just kinda figure out the rest of the song as they go

[@paulathienides1376]

that album live... oh my... 🔥

[@khalliddo1385]

DEAR LOVE.

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

But.... Zombie, and Dead Throne though..

[@TexasVexes]

I think they switched partly due to Mike’s vocal chords being fried a lil bit.

[@workethicrecords5901]

Why every reviewer likes Code Orange - Underneath: The record has range. Band is drawing influences from Merzbow, Skinny puppy, Converge, All out war, and grunge? Those are like, snobby underground tastemakers favorite things. Code orange definitely brings their take on all of those influences together, and has made something wholly unique, but the sound is still an amalgamation of things that heavy/dark music reviewers hold in very high regard, that the general public might not necessarily be aware of.

[@christianm6052]

that's a lot of big words to defend a shitty band lol

[@GVilleAnarcho]

@@christianm6052 I watched the video, I still don't get why they're a shitty band.

[@OneAndZer0]

@@christianm6052 Thats not a defense of them, it's an explanation of why critics like them. If you don't like them, that's alright man, but no reason to dismiss somebody who does because they know how to use "amalgamation" in a sentence.

[@zachiswayposi1]

@@christianm6052 This isn't even a defense

[@toddb3414]

People that hate on Code Orange are sad they didn't stay a beatdown band. So glad they ditched that genre. They are creating far superior, much more memorable music these days.

[@ashleemons]

Would love a part 2! I hate when bands blindside me with a change in sound and I hate it at first, but then realize I was being close minded and end up loving it.

[@ConcreteDream]

check out concrete dream

[@abyssalspecter93]

I don't know what close mindedness has to do with it, no one is required to enjoy every single type of music that exists.

[@hailmammonmoments7568]

It’s funny that I’ve avoided the ‘still going through puberty’ bands as much as the ‘cookie monster’ bands...but simply by understanding Metallica and Marilyn Manson a bit I can understand this WWE band...that I never heard of till this video. It’s amazing and I appreciate how focused you are on music quality over scene/hipster cred.

[@MichaelKnouff]

What you said about Miley Cyrus reminded me about a metal band I was in back in '09. We covered her song "Start All Over." We did it to get people riled up, but we ended up getting asked to play that song a lot at shows. Sometimes doing the unsafe thing is the best thing.

[@ThroughFallenEyes]

AFI, Silverstein, Billy Talent. They all did this to some extent.

[@jayfantastic9309]

Holy shit AFI for sure!

[@jayfantastic9309]

I'd say every album after Phoenix, was it's own sub-genre.

[@analogsignal]

I think AFI just got a better budget and was able to produce their music in a way they’d wanted. Yeh they were far more Misfits punk rock, but that vibe remained just more polished

[@AS34N]

Damn, AFI would be a good one

[@User-54631]

I enjoy both lower case afi and upper case AFI 😉

[@IsraelAlexander71]

I appreciate bands that change their sound, to me it crates a whole new window into the heart and soul of a band or group and that is what music is about! Connecting on different levels adds more solid connection emotionally and times change bands get older and can not necessarily play or sing as heavy as before so you get the mad/angry and the chill/peaceful or vise versa some bands do get better all in all it is really awesome to see unfold for most bands.

[@emaheiwa8174]

Don't forget about THRICE! They keep getting better with every album and went from skatepunk to hardcore to post hardcore to Radioheadcore

[@ohalistair]

Thrice died after Ambulance.

[@RandallFlores86]

I'd say thrice has been more of a steady evolution than just changing their style every album. They have retained a decent portion of their fan base.

[@No-sr5fb]

@@ohalistair have you heard the alchemy index, or to be everywhere is to be nowhere albums? There really is some serious gold after ambulance homie

[@TheNightdiver]

Their transition from Artist to Vheissu is mindblowing (I actually love both those records). hats off to them

[@Matt-yj1lz]

Image of the invisible was their last good song imo

[@_iostrakon2935]

Man, don’t see Code Orange being anything like Orgy. Either way, CO is one of the few that has successfully meshed several genres together. One of the best bands out there.

[@kylelyons6088]

I dont think they've strayed from their sound either, if anything they've just added new sounds to their sound. Underneath sounds like code orange to me, with heavy NIN and other industrial influences.

[@chrisrobinson1513]

I can see the orgy comparison, and I'm less inclined to listen to any of clean Beth vocals, but then they always come back with something brutal like swallowing the rabbit whole. Kids version is the best version imo tho

[@naterou5]

True. Whenever Finn brings them up he seems to really not get them haha. Not shitting on the guy, love his videos, but I think that Code Orange flipped the script from both a musical and business perspective, and it goes against Finn's experience of what should work, hence his takes on them always amounting essentially to, "yeah I don't get it."

[@crazyahmed7103]

Underneath is just awesome. Hardcore mixed with a continuous Dubstep-Drop.

[@gvictor]

@robert will pixburgh is a big wrasslin town, easy transition for them

[@virtue696]

People forget there was a huge backlash on Master of Puppets, They were being accused of being sellouts back then. Because they were in almost no media back then no one really remembers.

[@israelmunoz4969]

Metallica was accused of selling out when their song Fade to Black, off their 2nd album, was released.

[@nich_okay]

the way Arctic Monkeys changed their sound over the years is interesting. i personally like it a lot, but the majority of their fans rather listen to the old british indie stuff.

[@glitchhhhhhhh]

Man, newer Arctic Monkeys is so boring and there's absolutely no flavor in it

[@antille666]

the new stuff is really boring. it's one thing to change the sound but man, a whole record of suuuper slow, minimalistic indie pop? at least i know what to listen to when i can't fall asleep...

[@JoseNelisParham]

@@antille666 I didn't like their latest album at first, but the album is a masterwork. Slow yes, but the lyrics and music are just so soothing. It's like having your best sci-fi book read to you while you are in a bubble bath.

[@Haraamcore13]

Absolutely hate the new stuff. They’ve lost so much of what made them great. Tight drumming, groovy bass lines and intersecting guitar lines. The new stuff just seem to sound like the exact opposite of what they started out as.

[@JoseNelisParham]

@@Haraamcore13 Change is not bad, maybe just more of their first two albums would have been great, but they didn't go down that route. Some bands change their sound and if it changes to something good than all the better for it. They got slower but they also grew up, from songs about life as a teenager in Sheffield to songs about women to SPACE. You don't have to like it ofcourse but IMO I think their latest album is a masterpiece.

[@robo567]

for a part 2, some suggestions i have are -charli xcx -fall out boy -slayer -machinehead -genesis

[@floridaboy9641]

When i was 12 i was sooo pissed that Fall Out Boy changed their sound

[@HoChiMints2007]

faith no more / mike patton in general. constantly changing music styles to piss off fans but they still like the music despite of that

[@seanmontatsky1866]

A7X?

[@anthonyfigueroa4453]

Worst one is Papa Roach can't stand their new album

[@charlespetitclerc1256]

Great list! Would listen to this in a heartbeat!

[@fredgarcialevrai]

Sepultura and the Roots album would be interesting for a part 2. Very divisive but put them on the "mainstream" metal radar. Also, Host from Paradise Lost would be fun to mention, because it put them in a stylistic rut for the next records.

[@HAL-vm3wn]

A bit different genre, but i think 30 Seconds to Mars are the worst example for this

[@timkirsten6184]

Agreed, first 2 albums are great

[@TheMooseCaboose]

Like Finn said in his video, I think his point of "the fans were just not ready for it" point with SS is comparable with 30STM and I agree with you. I actually really like some of their newer songs, particularly off of their This Is War album when they departed the sound. But America was kind of a slap to the face for me when I heard about it because it just brought these deep associations when Linkin Park tried to release One More Light. It was just too much change and a departure from their original sound, combined with the musical criticisms I have for it as well, that made me have a bad taste in my mouth.

[@KMFDM781]

Shall we not forget Sugar Ray?

[@HeatherHolt]

Yeah their new stuff is so goddamn bad but I love their old stuff like bury me is a masterpiece in my eyes but whatever this album that says doggie style on it or whatever like what was that about. Every song was so bad.

[@HeatherHolt]

KMFDM781 plz let’s forget sugar ray lol ✌️

[@randyeppyt]

14:25 - We gonna get some Spiritbox content? They are doing such a cool job on their music videos, aesthetics, and merch.

[@noaheast7600]

Spirtbox needs way more attention. Best most fresh metal act i've heard in YEARS. Courtney is an insane vocalist

[@Kelis98]

Load and Reload and great albums with great songs. Metallica makes good songs, it doesn’t matter if is different. It doesn’t have to be trash to be good. Hard Rock and Rock are just as good.

[@goner.9989]

You forgot a letter m8

[@smeqwack7337]

I think the problem is that they are a band named *Metal*lica and not play any metal

[@rudyc79]

Those albums sucked. Quit lying to yourself

[@atvena]

Load: King nothing and until it sleeps Reload: Fuel and the memory remains

[@wolfhawk1999]

The first band I thought of when I read the title was Avenged Sevenfold. At least it was a slow progression. They went more Dad rock with each album

[@ConcreteDream]

wow so right lol

[@abelsanchez2070]

The Stage kinda did a U-turn on that dad rock progression tho

[@kurtw6922]

@@abelsanchez2070 I guess you could say The Stage was their 'Death Magnetic'. I would have been thrilled if both Metiallica and A7X stayed in the realm of their first 2-3 albums, but it's ok to mellow out and 'mature' - it gave us some interesting stuff still very worth listening to - but I can't listen to their newer albums on repeat the same way you can with their early offerings.

[@gvictor]

with them i chalk it up to just age and mellowing out a bit

[@caseypeck1501]

Are you me

[@tucansam999]

I feel like for a band to succeed in changing their sound it has to actually be something they want to do because they actually want to change their sound and not because they feel like it will reach a wider audience but I don’t have much knowledge on the music industry so I might be 100% wrong but it’s just how I believe it works

[@TheMooseCaboose]

Not entirely wrong. People are pretty intuitive about sniffing out "money-chasing" and it even (most of the time) comes through in the music.

[@bengreenbank]

I think Linkin Park is a good example of a band just playing whatever is currently commercially popular and always being successful doing it. They’re definitely an example of money chasing working out for them. Maroon 5 is another example

[@TheCivildecay]

Radiohead is a prime example of a band that actually pulled it off

[@nicolasa.3192]

That's why people loved The Story So Far's last album so much. They had grown up and weren't mad about everything anymore. Their music reflected who they were as people and it was so genuine that people took it with open arms

[@robnyenhuis3845]

Eh when it comes to Metallica I feel like Load/Reload had some decent songs that seem to have gained a bit more respect since time has passed, and even St. Anger had some cool enough ideas that were at least listenable. Their S&M album doesn't seem to be talked about a lot, but I feel like it was pretty fantastic and an interesting take on some of their best songs.

[@EclecticoIconoclasta]

Tallica has become a legacy classic rock act while also staying a classic metal band with a huge global audience. It is clearly mainly because of their 80s output but some of the songs that you talk about also are popular with people from the 90s and 2000s and the new metalheads just focus on their more recent neothrash albums and their classic 80s stuff. In the early 90s they became so huge that it guaranteed a huge global audience no matter what they would do. The other big 4 bands did not achieve that much success and so it seems to me they have decided to stay mostly within thrash while dabbling in other experiments not too far from that (Anthrax and Megadeth) while Slayer more or less just decided to stay with their 80s sound but with better updated production in a way not too different from what AcDc or the Stones did.

[@Brosef83]

Another solid video. Would love to see something about AFI. Long career with a history of not only switching their sound but being trend setters. Would be a really cool video.

[@JordinoLive]

I'd say with Code Orange, as a fan, they have evolved as musicians. Once they changed to just Code Orange the industrial/edm chopping of their music really set them off. I think they were very influential and not very many bands sound like them, and due to the hip hop influence of their music they stand out from the hardcore scene more than most bands. Plus they're great at promoting the band. They had the deal with WWE, they done the first live stream concert to an empty venue. In my eyes they are pioneers, and will only continue to get bigger at this point.

[@newthrash1221]

Jordan Higgs Exactly, i feel like their transition was very organic and not at all surprising .

[@kanyecheedar9170]

Code Orange is dope af. Every song on the new album was fairly unique

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

Lol no

[@Matteger23]

@@jasonlovesmusicreacting882 yes

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

@@Matteger23 nope

[@shadowedlvnar1635]

​@@jasonlovesmusicreacting882 Yes

[@LordMegatherium]

It's so awesome going on 40 and being totally out of touch with any scene: neither do I know what's cool nor do I care. It's probably one of my favourite things about getting old.

[@gladtravis]

Amen! The democracy of the Internet has made new "good" music harder to find. But also, nearly all the bands mentioned in this video (minus old Metallica) sound downright awful to me.

[@hrotha]

99% of the time when a band "returns to their roots" you know it's going to be awfully forced and bad and actually pretty sad

[@Szczauqa]

I had it with The Hunting Party from Linkin Park. It's just so devoid of life

[@TheCivildecay]

Yes this! Bands only go back to their roots when they are rock bottom and creatively bankrupt.

[@thisisfyne]

Yep. Most of these albums sound like low effort parodies or just totally miss the mark. Like Marilyn Mason coming out with an album saying "oh yeah this one definitely sounds like Antichrist" since 2009 and it never was the case lmao.

[@Eichro]

"Remember Who You Are" by Korn much? Turns out they couldn't really nail their roots without Head.

[@iletthedevilin828]

Funny enough that's exactly I how I felt about the last suicide silence album. Not self titled, become the hunter when they went back to deathcore it just felt forced and the album straight up put me to sleep. I have a feeling kinda like how finn was talking about st anger did more for metallica in the long run than death magnetic its going to be the same with suicide silences self titled.

[@WILLKent8]

Green Day? Honestly St. Anger wasn’t Metallica’s best album, but I don’t think it deserves all the hate it gets.

[@Custer_X]

I know I love Frantic and Some Kind Of Monster off that album. Some Kind Of Monster is on my top 5 favorite Metallica songs of all time.

[@bradleyhahn4508]

I love how Finn will say "im not a fan of so and so's music" but can still give credit where credit is deserved. I really wish more people were like this.

[@torbenwnielsen11]

Hundredth did a massive shift. Admittedly I’d never heard of them before their change. But if you haven’t heard of them search them up for the contrast between FREE (2015) and RARE (2017)

[@xXHardCorrXx]

Torben Nielsen dude that pissed me off. Because first they went too far away from the original sound, just like completely different band. And also because they just hopped on the trend of the title fight style bands

[@newthrash1221]

Hayden Corr Seriously. Weren’t they a christian band also? They literally just hopped on the whole “shoegaze” style that was seeing another resurgence in bands that were moving in that direction organically or started with that sound.

[@samreads19]

Honestly I prefer new Hundredth much more than old Hundredth. Before they were just a generic melodic hardcore band, now they actually are somewhat unique

[@alextaylor417]

They also seem like whenever anyone asks about their old sound they refuse to elaborate on it. i dont understand why either. Its not that the new music is bad either. Kinda reminds me of ceremony. And yes, i thought turnover and hundredth ripped off Hyperview a little bit haha

[@kevinxbell]

These are all legit observations and I want answers too! I saw them 2017 warped tour as RARE was coming out and they got on stage, said they're playing all new songs off RARE, and no old ones... More than half of us walked away from the stage.

[@saulgoodman1390]

Definitely do a part 2 and definitely include Opeth. After many albums of very much their own unique sound, they made a drastic change for their album Heritage. They explained why they did it and basically said: We're not going to do the old stuff anymore. We're not turning out backs on it, we'll play it live but any new album is not going to sound like that old style anymore. Like it or don't, whatever.

[@Paul_Dexter]

The Beastie Boys def fit this category, they completely changed their sound & style with each of their first 4 albums.

[@patrickquinnsucks]

I was gonna mention them

[@ConcreteDream]

if you love the beastie boys check concrete dream out

[@areuouthere2103]

Beasties also changed as people. They were party boys doing heavy punk and rap, booze and drugs. Then they became Buddhist and more creative/artsy, synth, pop rock, electronic

[@CodyDecay]

Don't leave out their Pollywog Stew E.P.

[@anthonyfigueroa4453]

Miss the beastie boys

[@IsraelMartinez-jz1wc]

Miley Cyrus was one of the best plot twist I have ever seen. And yes, I want a second part, please.

[@GothGirlfriends]

You gotta do a video on Just Surrender, arguably one of the catchiest and most underrated pop punk bands of all time and they barely got ANY commercial success and are almost never talked about today

[@monster20404]

I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't see why everyone hated the black album so much. It's not as thrashy as their previous stuff but there's still some great songs with bangin riffs on it. However load and reload do suck with the exception of a few songs

[@Regent192]

I think its because people blame that album for why the band went to a worse direction

[@spiderfan1974]

Or they were pushing 40 and matured as people and musicians. Playing the middle aged "teenagers" most likely would have ended their career and quick.

[@RyderHaas]

spiderfan1974 they weren’t even in their 30s...

[@Highrollinhunter]

The outlaw torn and fuel are my favorite songs on load and reload

[@atheistanarchist]

Code Orange is just good, man. Their music consistently gets better, heavier, and more diverse. They never get boring.

[@doriyehieli4774]

I think they’re great and unique. They’re general demeanor and attitude during interviews just exudes narcissism

[@ass2mouthallday]

Their music is about as overrated as you can get.

[@94gonzange]

This dude is so respectful with his views and opinions I always enjoy watching these

[@andreienache9978]

part 2 please, you can talk about Parkway Drive, All Time Low, In Flames, Bullet for my valentine

[@Szczauqa]

I vote for bullet. They are good musicians but put out such disappointments

[@famous12121]

A few bands/artists that come to mind right away for me: Pantera, Taylor Swift, All That Remains, In Flames, Hollywood Undead, Machine Head.

[@apoplexiamusic]

"One of these things is not like the others"

[@wenxingwang7867]

@@apoplexiamusic Ikr. Pantera is long gone.

[@majesticpbjcat7707]

I'm only into old Taylor Swift. Ya know, before she sold out.

[@danielnelson4881]

I thought All That Remains were going to knock off the SUCKING when they recruited Jason Richardson. They...... Did not unfortunately.

[@MidnightBootySnatchr]

Taylor Swift?

[@TheDarkLordOfBass]

Your description of Asking Alexandria’s new fan base is the stuff of nightmares

[@bobbybarrett7475]

Unfortunately their staying power in the USA was not as strong as in their home country, but Silverchair are easily one of the most fascinating examples of an artist changing their style. They have 5 albums and literally none of them sound the same, stylistically. There's a very interesting evolution there that those who pay attention find highly rewarding.

[@TheBeardedProfessor]

Neon Ballroom is still one of my favorite nineties albums front to back, and I didn’t care for their first two really at all.

[@bobbybarrett7475]

@@TheBeardedProfessor it holds up remarkably well! Don't know if you ever checked out Diorama, that one is a total masterpiece as far as I'm concerned.

[@robwalsh9843]

It's a shame that what I think was Silverchair's weakest album, Frogstomp, was the one that brought them fame in the US. It was popular one minute thanks to Tomorrow and Pure Massacre, but I think people were less enthusiastic after listening to the album. But years later I checked out Neon Ballroom and Freak Show and was blown away about how much they progressed.

[@bobbybarrett7475]

@@robwalsh9843 heck yeah, man! They never repeated themselves, which was a turnoff for a lot of folks. But a lot of that stuff was groundbreaking and still holds up. If you ever get the chance, DIORAMA is their most perfect album, IMO.

[@bobodamonk]

TDWP- The Act is honestly my favorite album though.

[@RobImagines]

I keep coming back to it and it's honestly perfect.

[@jer1992]

I remember really liking Transit Blues, imma need to check it out

[@TheNightdiver]

really great record. My favourite is the Space EP (and South of the city, the song they did prior to releasing the EP)

[@ScottX68000]

The big one for me is In Flames. They have so far changed their style three times. From 1994 - 2000 they were a pioneering Melodic Death Metal band, then from 2001 - 2010 they played more mainstream alternative metal/metalcore with a mix of screams and clean singing, and finally from 2012 - present they've moved to a more rockier sound with even more clean singing & less harsh screams. There's barely any metal left to their sound outside of a few songs and they're music is a far cry from what it was when they original started playing. I still enjoy all their albums but their 1994 - 2000 output was head and shoulders above anything they've released since.

[@TrueMithrandir]

St Anger snare is Slam AF!

[@nwspoon86]

“I cAnT bElIEvE yOu DiDnT TaLk AbOuT....” Another great video my dude, keep it up!

[@sherriffchris]

He literally said to comment about what bands should be in part 2.

[@lastnameawesome8982]

Nah this video suuuuucked, he said bmth’s album sempiternal was butt rock lmao thats like calling paramores riot album death metal

[@m_js5709]

@@lastnameawesome8982 are you telling me that you didn't think the double bass madness on crushcrushcrush wasn't Fn BRUTAL?

[@Grav3s07]

I love BMTH old and new. I never understood how people talk shit while the band is making money and they sit at home poor and mad.😭🤷‍♂️

[@danielfulford6135]

'member when music wasn't just about making money? No you probably don't because you wouldn't have written that if you did. I pity you.

[@darklighter587]

I'd love a part 2. Bands I think would be interesting: Beastie Boys: Started as hardcore punk, made famous by their shift to hip-hop, followed by long lasting success as a very eclectic act. Bathory: Pioneers of black metal. Then abandoning it to create viking metal then abandoning that for thrash (before returning to viking metal). Interesting because they seem high respected for the black and viking metal material (I imagine those fanbases cross over a lot). While the reaction to the thrash stuff seems more mixed. Also interest that there seemed to be no attempt to cash in on the phenomenon of 90s black metal. Darkthrone: Techdeath to black metal to general 80s worship. Techdeath era seems largely forgotten. Black metal era is loved by black metal fans. Black metal fans seem mixed on their more recent output but critics seem to like it. Pantera: Obvious reasons Dissection: Controversial third album Rebel MC/Congo Natty: From pop rap to underground jungle. I feel like hip-hop in general is harder to really put on a list like this. Reason being the way a rap album can easily have a mix of violent, grimy songs and radio-friendly songs. Somehow I feel rap artists can straddle the mainstream/ underground line a bit easier than a rock band can. Maybe due to the tendency to work with many producers on one album, as well as the culture of collaboration.

[@TheCHECK97]

True, I was thinking about his video on why rap became more popular than rock and I think its because theres a much larger range artists can have as a rapper. Examples would be xxxtentacion's "?" Album. Theres a lot of different sounds in just one place as opposed to what a band can do when they have to have all members and instruments present for each song. One good example of a band giving a wide range of varying sounds is Gojira on practically every album, but they're the exception

[@QueLoKevin]

Incubus too. They started off as a cool hippie scene funk metal band, and turned into a pop rock heart throb band

[@trowa9960]

I used to love Incubus. Science is still a fantastic album. You are right about how they evolved. It made me sad when the band came out and said they were embarrassed by their older songs.

[@Aymungoos]

The thrash metal band incubus is much better

[@QueLoKevin]

@@trowa9960 did they really say that? Ouch

[@anthonyfigueroa4453]

I like Incubus until after the album with dig forgot the name of it due to how many albums I listen roo

[@Themetalwookie666]

Yeah their early albums were fucking great.

[@GaminRobot]

i would actually say that the Black Album is just a straight up Heavy Metal record. Now Load and Reload thats more Hard Rock tbh. But the video was great👌

[@bythewaybrian3894]

Part 2 recommendation, AFI

[@TheFlameBladeWielder]

was waiting for them the whole video tbh

[@zappadadooi90]

No doubt. First 3 albums great. Then they became Misfits wannabes, then later, Cure wannabees

[@gus2n]

Linkin Park and In Flames changed their sound pretty drastically to reasonable success. Although In Flames actually barely changed their formula (hearing newer and older songs live seem like they could be from the same era) But old fans complain because the production is less intense, except they don't even realise that's the thing that changed

[@abyssalspecter93]

In Flames' passion changed. Having no original members and with Anders as the oldest, hearing him talk about making music is depressing.

[@noaheast7600]

RIP Chester

[@nickintexas]

David Bowie would be my personal favorite.

[@gus2n]

@@abyssalspecter93 not sure its fair to make that assumption just because you don't like the music lol

[@danielnelson4881]

Dude.. In Flames is the worst band that I love, I've ever seen live. I went to the show just to see Veil of Maya, thank God. My buddy went FOR In Flames though.. Had no idea who Veil was. His drunk ass would NOT stop saying "In Flames SUCKED BALLS! Veil of Maya was really good though..." the whole hour car ride back lmao. The band was just going through the motions... It's so weird because they sounded flawless.. Sang beautifully, played perfectly... It just... Sucked though. Was absolutely awful. Every song sounded the same... I didn't understand it at all because I love a lot of their stuff, haven't paid so much attention to their newer stuff but all the old goodies are awesome.. But they still... Sucked. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! I don't think the singer said a single word to the audience... They came out and literally just played their set.. Back to back to back to back songs. Nothing in between, at least nothing that was memorable anyway... Then they left. Man it was so awful seriously. Kind of like how I remember Children of Bodom being unfortunately...

[@moodown]

finally, someone spoke about cash cash's early stuff. can't wait to hear more of it

[@samhaggar9318]

Linkin Park is a good example. Like every album after their first 2 sounds completely different!! I really like the new TDWP album I think it's their best work haha

[@UhOh_ItzJDX]

finally someone points out Linkin Park... the first two albums are legendary, but they became a much more creative and cohesive band and haven't really put out a bad album despite every album being so different

[@TYFLOL]

@@UhOh_ItzJDX disagreed tbh, I think BMtH is a better version of LP in changing styles

[@WallerSon]

Man. I really love The Act. Always kinda-sorta like TDWP growing up and increasingly so with each release, but there was no deeper connection beyond that. Then The Act drops and boom... half a year later I check it out and now it's been a couple months of weekly listenings. It's a great companion when you're feeling like a piece of shit waste of space. I can't really comment on the Linkin Park though... except that Chester went to my highschool. So that's cool.

[@OneAndZer0]

@@TYFLOL Yea I agree with this too, I also think Arctic Monkeys would be a good example, but within a different genre of rock. Their earlier stuff definitely has punk influence, but they're probably not heavy enough for this channel.

[@jac185]

Tom Waits must be one of the best and rare examples of someone pivoting mid-career to make much weirder music and becoming simultaneously more popular and critically acclaimed.

[@briangpgh]

I can't believe you mentioned Eighteen Visions. That's awesome!

[@vivalasam1345]

I haven't commented on a video yet, but this is something that I really would like to discuss. Beginning with Code Orange. I think that part of their current success is part of the pandemic. This album's hype was beyond huge going into the release of Underneath. Two banger singles, never performed live, and a whole album to tear through. The album is littered with these quick industrial cuts mixed with pure beatdown tempos everywhere. The album tour? Jesus Piece, YOTK, Show Me The Body. That is a dangerously fun lineup if you find yourself in the hardcore scene. Following that tour was the tour every 27 year old in the scene wanted. Slipknot finally bringing in bands from the scene era, rather than the typical Trivium, (reformed dadrock hardcore), and DevilDriver. No, Slipknot was finally bringing on Underoath, ADTR, and Code Orange. If you have remained in your local scene, this is the show you were waiting for. Code Orange was going to fucking explode after this tour. Code Orange is huge because they worked hard, and when the system had finally accepted them, it collapsed due to a pandemic. The roller coaster broke down at the top of the lift. Their management of time and art during the pandemic has been extraordinary. They snagged new fans due to their contributions to WWE, but they didn't break the ground they were standing on by allowing Reba to shine on songs that are not typical beatdown hardcore. Soft and creepy metal buildups for the not typical hardcore fan, realness from Jami and the rhythm section for the pit. I think hardcore fans have evolved enough to be proud of successes and not break down a band that wants create something different. But I think the important thing to note is that it never seemed fake. It seems like they allowed collaborations from new members and that really shows.

[@williamharrington6383]

Their success is predicated on a mixture of factors: good groovy, music that crosses genres and brings fans together from different camps, good marketing in the album drop, but for better or worse I definitely think the fact they have Reba is a "selling point" for them. She's a great player and has a following of her own that has brought the band up a notch or two in terms of notoriety.

[@rafaelalamilla5583]

I saw Code Orange back in 2016 when they toured with Gojira. And while I wasn't really into them when I saw them I knew these guys were going places. Fast forward to this year and I am blown away with Underneath. It has a lot of different influences and is culmination of all the work they've put in to achieve success. Not to mention that they do a lot of their merch and business themselves. I tend to overlook the fact they they have Reba as a vocalist/singer.... I don't think any particular member "makes" that band what it is. The group as a collective is what really sets them apart from the rest.

[@lockedowng]

I feel like cave in should have been mentioned. Going from one of the inventors of metalcore to space rock in one album cycle and singing "I keep the scene on the edge".

[@nachshonrorick]

...and then fell off with an overcooked major label debut?

[@Nurgle-u4f]

Totally, one of my all time favorite bands. R. I. P. Caleb.

[@Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence]

Until Your Heart Stops wasnt a proper album it was a collection of singles from about 4 years of work. Steve, Adam, and JR had been working on spacey Jupiter type material when Jay was still on vocals, pre Caleb on bass. Then came Antenna.... natural progression and they kept a huge portion of their fanbase as that scene had been progressing with them incorporating more heady influence. Cave In technically started out as a screamy emo type band in the Andover/Methuen, MA scene that also produced Piebald and bands like the Hugeunots and 7% solution.

[@Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence]

@@Nurgle-u4f I grew up with Caleb... remember when he did vocals in a local NH hardcore band called Strike 3. My husband and I actually got stuck in the traffic in Bedford, NH as a result of his accident. That one was tough to comprehend. He and his family were genuinely decent people.

[@meta9440]

Cave In needs more recognition, listening to Until Your Heart Stops is such a thrill ride. They even have Jacob Bannon on Moral Eclipse, it is the perfect album

[@njsteere]

3:34 DRINK. Another awesome vid Finn, cheers

[@RipzCritical]

Finn, what part of the heavy music industry did you see fade away that you wish would come back?

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

The Tumblr sadboi pop punk scene of 2011-14

[@nicolasa.3192]

@@ThePunkRockMBA I'm _just_ too young to have missed out on that. Pop punk is sort of just treading water right now and it sucks. I hope someone pulls some new crap and brings the genre back to life again before I'm too old to enjoy it as much anymore

[@ZyrusSmith]

@@nicolasa.3192 You're never too old to listen to any genre.

[@mariawesner3992]

“Military wife style” Me a military wife who listened to deathcore, metalcore, hardcore, and goth: “but I don’t like that kind 🥺”

[@alexllamas7634]

You are way in the minority lol. Every time Finn brings them up, I can't help but think of an overweight, incompetent, lazy, white, terminal E6 and their "respect my husband's rank" wife who does nothing but criticize people on facebook.

[@boixgenius]

@@alexllamas7634 you just described my sister in law to a T 💀💀 lol

[@irishjoe2941]

You are Rare breed

[@mariawesner3992]

Alex Llamas I know who he is definitely talking about. You should see the looks I get when I go to events with him. Also I’m childfree by choice which is pretty controversial in the military.

[@theevildrummingsithlord1492]

@@alexllamas7634 E6?

[@isoldmysoulforanime7163]

"With the funnel cake stand next to the Marine Corp recruiter booth" dude 😂.

[@ryanpervola163]

Code Orange today has way more in common with 90s Alternative and Industrial metal than with Orgy who were basically new wave pop meets metal (which I enjoyed growing up) I love Code Orange's most recent two albums, they really dont sound like anything or anyone else out there. When everyone else is going for clean digital they're going full grungy analog a la Rob Zombie, early NIN and Ministry. They are this weird mix of industrial, alternative, hardcore and art metal. Writing them off as a WWE band I feel like is a slap in the face to their actual work.

[@MrStephen182]

As a huge Industrial music fan (both industrial metal and the non metal side of industrial music) the Orgy's album Punk Statik Paranoia is 100 percent an industrial metal album and also so very underrated. Their fist album (the one most people judge the band on as it's all most people have heard) I don't really like.

[@deadhand3332]

I felt like he doesn't really know much about Code Orange other than just the general facts about them.

[@Sempervivi]

"You can't pay the rent in scene cred." How many of y'all needed to hear that??

[@Jaydos1470]

No one: Black Flag: IT's CalLeD jAzz