Banjo-Tooie's Grunty Industries -- Designing For Emergence

[@stevenstice6683]

You could also use fire eggs on Weldar too. The door to the Repair Depot has a "Caution: Flammable" sign on it, and he even says he's full of flammable gas.

[@panampace]

It's good to hear someone appreciate Grunty Industries. I'm a weirdo who loves this level as well as the Water Temple in Ocarina. Complicated navigation is my favorite video game element.

[@NTroper]

@@panampace finally, someone who GETS it! 😁

[@ivanmamede]

The interworld conectivity is one of the things that I like best in this game. That''s what's make Banjo Tooie special compared to others.

[@dougxvale]

Banjo Kazooie is charming but Tooie is beyond.

[@StickTheComic]

@@dougxvale I agree. I played both games and prefer Banjo Tooie.

[@aranryan-9440]

If only kazooie a levels were connected…

[@Mortablunt]

3D metroidvania, on the N64? It’s more likely than you think!

[@looklook876]

Nothing tops the atmosphere in Banjo Tooie for me

[@1077mikev]

This game is a masterpiece. While the original banjo kazooie gave away jiggies for merely navigating the map, jiggies hold much more value here. This game really challenged me and I've learned to concentrate my attention on a single task much more in life because of this. Running around the map without a clear intention will keep you running in circles, focus is the key. Tooie is clearly meant to challenge a more mature audience and even has the darker theme to go along with it.

[@jameslawrenson1208]

Both games have their positives and negatives.

[@alexjames1756]

Holy cow, a Designing For on one of my favorite games, AND being the answer to the question? It is an honor, gentlemen.

[@Kite403]

Grunty Industries theme lives rent free in my head. A lot of Tooie's soundtrack does, now that I think about it

[@jameslawrenson1208]

Most of Kirkhope's soundtracks live rent-free.

[@Eichro]

"Decapitation is funny" For, Designing 2019

[@evail7392]

This level was critical in developing how I viewed systems later on. Every part of it is like a real factory, all placed with intent. Moreso two resources from two different words are brought here. That being Jolly Roger bay water and hail fire peak oil to produce the toxic sludge used later on in cauldron keep. A tiny bit of world building that always inspired me as a kid. Thanks again for the video.

[@1gnore_me.]

finally, somebody recognizes the genius of grunty industries. if the entire game were like that stage, it would have been phenomenal

[@ethanotoroculus1060]

Always a joy to see more from this series.

[@bonedog5130]

Grunty Industries: Best boss fight, best use of the transformation, best use of mumbo, has a great FPS section that tests your skills, has the best use of taxi pack....everyone's least favorite level? I just replayed this game and oh boy was grunty industries fun...it was the last level i cleared so i had all the moves i needed, and it was great. A spiritual successor to rusty bucket bay in my opinion!

[@Joe_Parmesan]

I think it's connected to RBB, in that Grunty uses RBB as a shipping channel for whatever she's moving to and from Grunty Industries. GI is one of my favorite levels in the game as well!

[@Gruntilda-Winkybunion]

@@Joe_Parmesan we are producing alot of Weapons and Machinery for the Kremlings! we even helped them with the big machine in the Frantic Factory and made some parts for the Blast-O-Matic! and yes! we use the Rusty Bucket to ship it! Even Clanker came out of the Factory (it was one of Klungos first Projects and with the help of good old Weldar it was no problem) ah yes and beside that we made plus size underwear!

[@papaG6423]

Banjo-Tooie is a top tier N64 game. Ah, the memories

[@maxwell7509]

If this level were to be remade in the future. It would definitely need a way to separate each floor with a different theme and color pallete. Each floor all use the same textures, bricks, metal, and machinery. Which makes it confusing at times, and maze like.

[@TheXaviZone]

They already have color palettes: Blue, green, yellow and purple. Maybe it’s not that notorious, but it exists

[@FlackNCoke]

Yep, and I actually find that to be the best part about the level. The color schemes for each floor follow them throughout pretty much every room, to the point that I can look at almost any random screen shot and tell you what floor it’s from.

[@OrangeIsBorange]

3:32 I have nothing else to say but thank you.

[@MegaZzZeux]

I've always loved this level (and Glitter Gulch) most... plus the music track is a banger.

[@knellycornnan5132]

It makes me feel sad that the reception to the second game isn't as good because to date I feel as great as I always did about the second game. It is and always will be a masterpiece in my eyes. Any downsides are merely charming imperfections of a nearly perfect game.

[@prizm9515]

Waldar is probably the hardest boss battle in the entire game. Especially if you take into account that most players will have honeyback by the time they get to Hag 1.

[@prizm9515]

@@orangeslash1667 Yeah, that's a pretty difficult challenge.

[@1gnore_me.]

I think grunty industries is analogous to the water temple in OoT -- everybody hated it as a kid, but as our tastes matured, it became a standout example of how to build an interesting environment.

[@lpnp9477]

Who hated BK as a kid? I still hate the water temple

[@1gnore_me.]

@@lpnp9477 lmao I meant grunty industries, my bad.

[@JonatanEA]

It's my favourite level as well. It feels like slowly untying a knot, gradually figuring out how everything is connected and then acting on that knowledge.

[@GabrielChiari]

Did you feel dumb? As a kid I played the whole game, beat grunty before entering the industries cause I didn't know you can drive Chuffy.

[@TheCrankyTechnician]

Best video about Grunty Industries I've seen! Perfection! You summed up everything I adore about this superb level, and which I hated as I child for all the same reasons. No other level gives you that feeling of truly conquering every room, floor and aspect like Grunty Industries. When you finally unlock the flying pads it feels utterly deserved for all the work and hours one has put in to achieving this feat. As a kid, I hated playing this level because it dragged on forever and I didn't know what to do half of the time but nowadays, I don't want it to end. Perfect level design

[@organicketchup5171]

I’m so grateful to B-T for being a huge source of inspiration, atmosphere and fun when I was a kid.

[@joey5745]

I like this world ever since I watched the movie trailer preview they sent me in the mail and I heard the inside song for 3 seconds. I was hooked and ready to explore it but like you I ended up going to Hailfire peaks first,

[@tannereustace]

I've gotta say I appreciate Grunty Industries more now that you've explained all that, nice video!

[@aranryan-9440]

This is my favorite banjo level by far. I don’t know why backtracking is only NOW becoming a problem even after completing 5 other worlds.

[@the.bloodless.one1312]

Finally someone who’s not just shitting on Grunty Industries. It’s my favourite world in the game!!! Killer vid!

[@Mynestrone]

I found the train but i didnt discover the old king coal boss fight until very late in to the game. This level took me a long time to access back in the day. And i never found weldar

[@RifeXD]

This world... for years, I only got one Jiggy because I didn't understand that you could carry the batteries to the slots next to certain doors. I wonder if there was a hint for that somewhere.

[@Gruntilda-Winkybunion]

Hey, yes there is There is a sign to the right, next to the entrance of the world. That says the locations of all the batteries and what to do with them

[@Koolaidheart11]

I love getting in grunties back entrance.

[@guy4036]

Was way better than Kazooie. Replayed both and it’s no question. But yeah I always liked this level especially the music

[@LuigiGreenFire]

Grunty Industy is my favorite level in all Banjo serie. Weldar as well is my favorite Boss theme. I love this level as a kid, and i still love it now. (Also i enjoy factorys level like Kirby 64 or DK country returns)

[@TheXaviZone]

Factory Levels are always my favorites!

[@barrelrolldog]

i think you were on to something with the zelda comparison. this really did feel like a zelda dungeon. it's a shame this was the nail in the coffin for rares collect em up platformers cus tooie had some great things about it!

[@spoonflaps12]

excellent credits!

[@BradfortBottlenose]

As someone who appreciates difficult video game levels more after modern day video games have become too easy, Grunty Industries and Rusty Bucket Bay have become some of my most favourite video game levels. Also, gotta give props to the level designers. Not only is this level ridiculously interconnected and dense, but the fact they managed to make it so and make it work is impressive! Oh, and speaking of Rusty Bucket Bay, if I may brag for a bit... Recently I managed to beat the entire level in one single attempt. No lives lost. Including only a single attempt at the jiggy that requires those two switches to be hit in the engine room. I hope to get better at Banjo-Tooie so I can do impressive things with that game one day. Recently started replaying it and fell in love all over again. Today's haters just have no patience.

[@FlackNCoke]

Grunty Industries was basically the designers looking at all the cool little interior parts of Rusty Bucket Bay and saying “What if we made these the whole level?”

[@BradfortBottlenose]

@@FlackNCoke Oh, yeah, definitely. And it's even put together in a mostly logical fashion!

[@johnstanton7118]

Man this level was so frustrating as a kid, can’t wait to get back to it on my play through this time

[@BynineStudio]

this video is fantastic

[@Gruntilda-Winkybunion]

wow awesome video!

[@SuperGoomba10]

Those closing credits, tho.

[@frogface861]

I dunno. I used to love Banjo Kazooie but as I started to replay it I just didn't enjoy it like I did as a kid. Not sure if it's because I grew out of the genre. I always loved Banjo Tooie much more thanks to the hub world, level and their connectativity and the bosses. Also loved the music more in Tooie. Granted I haven't touched Banjo Tooie since I was a kid and at this point I'm kind of afraid I'd hate it and ruin it for me. I don't remember much of this world honestly. Don't think I spend a lot of time in this world at all tbh. Anyhow interesting episode.

[@heartlessmushroom]

Finally, someone else who also liked Grunty Industries. If you loved getting lost here and slowly but surely piecing together a big level-sized puzzle box, please check out La-Mulana and La-Mulana 2. They are underrated and deserve more love.

[@PTp1ranha]

I remember Veegie had a similar analysis on Grunty Industries, but you obviously went into much more detail on it, and I think you've hit the nail on the head. I played this world for the first time only 7 years ago (wait, seven?!) and it was by far the most interesting world. And yeah, sadly I think Tooie has started to fall out of favor for a lot of people. But like you, I can see why.

[@Gruntilda-Winkybunion]

i just finished this Level and had such a good time!

[@Whiffly001]

Weldar is a fantastic boss. Banjo-Tooie my jam.

[@seanmurry6903]

I feel like Siri's like this are helping keep that old school 3D platformer Spirit alive because so much of it has been lost over the last 20 years it's good to see that people can still appreciate it without just being like oh yeah Mario 64 blah blah blah or donkey Kong man that was a game etc

[@jugggy3rd]

Really cool video, thank you

[@triggeredcat120]

After 24 years I got lost in this stage from the last time I played the game.

[@brunobuono4056]

Grunty Industries is my second favorite world in Banjo-Tooie.

[@piaka56]

My fav game🥺❤

[@IanRulzU]

Why is the anamorphic widescreen enabled? The output wasn't even stretched for it.

[@moonstoneuniverse8516]

People complain about Banjo Tooie… grow up buckle down and have fun. This isn’t your newer games that hold your hand like a baby. Collect, learn and have fun.

[@gadwaboy21]

I remember I killed a swamp monster before. Or maybe it was a glitch. Not sure how I did it. But I was only able to do it once in Grunty industry’s.

[@zachwise476]

Tootie should have been here, playable. Or at least chillin in the house or ANYTHING!

[@jameslawrenson1208]

Actually, Old King Coal isn't dead, otherwise how would he be able to talk to you when you're choosing a destination for the train?

[@Dark_Jaguar]

I just wanna say that I enjoy Tooie too... ie.... and that "Flawed" does not mean "bad". Heck while I enjoy Kazooie more than it's sequel, I still think that Tooie is a good game! Frankly, I think the bosses are by and large better than the original as well. I LIKE that every world has a boss. We spend enough time in each one for it to be worth it after all. They also got rid of the quiz show... mmmmostly. She still pops out some "real time" quizzes in the final battle. As much as people praise the variety that quiz show adds, frankly, I don't play platformers for the story or to memorize dull factoids. I'd rather get on with the adventure! It's fortunate there's exploits to let me skip that part of Kazooie.

[@thorinpeterson6282]

Cool video, you deserve more views. Your voice is totally just nice and normal, very easy to listen to. Also Wumba's Wigwam is def problematic, but she was fine back in the day tho

[@Inutsu]

When I 100% Banjo-Tooie for the first time I thought that Grunty’s Industries went from my least likes level to my favorite. But when I went back to it a couple years later I remembered how much of slog it is at the start. Once you’ve got it figured out and set up the jiggies fall fairly quickly but until then it’s like pulling teeth.

[@TarvouldsQuest]

I know this video was an effort to try and sell me on this game, but that amount of work that goes into a single Jiggy just seems...exhausting. I remember even as a kid getting fatigue'd with this game rather quickly. Ambitious is the perfect word to describe Tooie. Maybe one day I'll go back to revisit it since I loved BK so much and owe it to the devs. By the way, those Patreon Credits were *ahem* unfrigginbelievable! The attention to detail and effort shines brightly, holy crap guys way to go above and beyond. Proud to support y'all.

[@DesigningFor]

Hey, it's two Jiggies. And a Cheato page!

[@youngtoonfish6891]

Banjo Tooie is the best rare has done in my opinion. I liked the interconnecticity and the world design in general. Sure, it’s not as linear as Banjo Kazooie and involves a hell lot of backtracking, but that makes the charme for me, cause by that, the level feel like they really belong to one giant world. I don’t really get why people crap on it so much these days 😄 But than maybe that is just my childhood nostalgia kicking in 😅

[@Joe_Parmesan]

It might be nostalgia, but, I think it's strange how people hop on bandwagons to hate on games that are 15+ years old

[@Rihcterwilker]

It would be loved now that everyone is in the metroidvania mood, as it is basically one. And doing all that "just for 2 jiggies" as some people say, is the wrong mindset. The journey itself, overcoming the challenge, is the reward.

[@Lincolntowncoupe]

How dare you not reference Weldar's jump up and fall down sound Whoa-hey!

[@stormysplaylists]

I just liked it because it felt like a Zelda dungeon.

[@ehhorve857]

LLLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! y, y'kin use fire eggs. dragin' kazie has, 'nlimited fireggs. .......that's it. good lessons, man.

[@polymathmusic5371]

Donkey Kong 64 is better then any of the banjo games to me. that's just my opinion though.

[@Sjono]

I just went through Banjo Tooie again and this is still my most hated level in the entire series

[@toooydoeur]

L

[@ZingerStuff]

Calling Humba Wumba a problematic stereotype is cringe

[@toooydoeur]

When did he say that

[@redlion5038]

I think is a mock on all the annoying people that calls her an offensive stereotype and how that people is actually the problemátic person

[@redlion5038]

​@@toooydoeur7:18 i think

[@TotallySearch]

Bra, you have a level design series but have never covered the zelda series.

[@DesigningFor]

We have, we've done an episode on Link's Awakening before.

[@TotallySearch]

@@DesigningFor A real Zelda game aka the 3D ones not the 2D ones. No ones first thought of the best zelda games are the 2D ones except Boomers.

[@DesigningFor]

@@TotallySearch We might do those eventually. I'm personally not very fond of most of them besides Majora's Mask (which already has a lot of discussion), so they aren't a priority at the moment.

[@doopdacoop4054]

Washing machine is best waifu

[@CoffeeRainWithScones]

It really sucks how lame banjo is in smash bros...

[@stephenobrien6983]

Humba is less stereotypical than your channel. When was the last time you saw an American Indian have a European complexion and wearing eye shadow? Apart from that pedantic bollox, good video.

[@starman9458]

Grunty Industries is the worst level in Banjo Tooie because of its complicated layout and the level is very confusing, I got past the level within 2 hours, 0 minutes, and 16 seconds with all 100% collectibles.

[@frankiesalfi3977]

U sound like tier zoo