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[@JmdMagic]

"Please, my children need a doctor." "Which doctor?" "Yeah, that one."

[@theivoryguy2476]

I *really* thought that was going to be a hint at first, but then they just spelled it out. Humph.

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

@@theivoryguy2476 to be fair, Mumbo doesn't come off as a doctor. I'd guess they had the idea but realized during playtesting that people were really struggling to figure out what to do.

[@CrypticNazo]

Ha! He thinks N64 era games had play testing. Also that interaction, while obviously a witch doctor joke, also made me thing of "My child needs a doctor" "Doctor who?" "Exactly."

[@shadowdemon1375]

So, to fully explain the styracosaurus that went to WitchyWorld (her name being Scrut), now that you’re up to this point (and it’s not fully explained if you don’t get the flavor text): She wanted to go to WitchyWorld, but her mom forbade her from going, as it was dangerous. So, Scrut stole her Mom’s purse, took the train and went. When she got there, the staff thought she was a monster, so they captured her and locked her in the Cave of Horrors, which is where you found her.

[@gigastrike2]

And spent all of her mom's money.

[@MisterJackTheAttack]

Yeah, you really do spend a lot of time being a better parent than the parents in this game.

[@stephenmahilum4770]

Banjo and Kazooie are the real parents lol

[@SamTheMarioMan]

12:15 Lmao I love the idea of Mumbo going on an important mission and then just stopping for a bit so he can screw with Wumba. Given their relationship, it wouldn't be out of character for him XD

[@JJ_R]

Baby T-Rex can’t do much, Just one Jiggy? Thanks and such... Parentage is not so grand, Here in Terrydactyland. Mumbo to the rescue twice, Healing children is so nice. Maybe folks will like him too, Don’t forget that you can poo.

[@leviathan1173]

6:02 Jon destroys Lucah's entire world with one question.

[@theivoryguy2476]

Honestly, for as much flak as Grunty Industries gets... The music slaps.

[@LucasThePhantomThief]

The Dinosaur Family Quest is one of the more clever uses of the Interconnected Worlds to complete an objective

[@thesnowyzorua378]

Yeah this definitely a point that works

[@lukerbom12]

I have to say, and y'all can kill me for this: To me, having to collect every single note and Jinjo again because you died with 90+ in Kazooie is far worse and more tedious than any of the backtracking in Tooie. Yes, I know they changed that in the Xbox version, but I still have to say that (sorry Jon! love you guys though). Also, Tooie is a lot less strict about how much it requires for completion in both notes and jiggies. Ah, good old Grunty Industries. I think I just really like factory and industrial levels in games and even though it can be confusing/tedious at times, it keeps enough variety with just how dang much there is in this world that I enjoy it. Actually, now that I think about it, I do like Rusty Bucket Bay in the original as well (despite what I said above, I think the world itself is pretty cool)

[@Diceyed]

as someone who never grew up with these two games, I have to say I agree, I rather take Tooie's backtracking over Kazooie's 1 shots (especially since most of Kazooies were just large pits of danger.)

[@edfreak9001]

yeah, in the re-releases sure kazooie might clinch it but as someone who's only ever played the N64 versions, Tooie's design just feels a lot better. Also tbh I just think tooie benig more grandiose in scale is more fun.

[@MrOmegatronic]

Notes in _BK_ were essentially just _SM64_ coins with a slight twist, Rare was trying to make them more important. They _definitely_ learned that if you make them necessary instead of optional, they should actually stay collected after you collect them, for sure. As good as it was, _B-K_ was at heart still just an extremely good _SM64_ clone, and it shows if you poke at it enough. (This definitely isn't a bad thing, though, copying one of the best games of all time still means you're probably going to end up with a pretty good game. ;P)

[@rmsgrey]

Tooie also does a lot of things like not making you revisit the Styracosaur Cave to actually collect that jiggy. You still have to visit it at least twice in order to get everything (once as Mumbo; once as Banjo and Kazooie) and figuring it all out could take more trips, but they could so easily have made it worse. Imagine having to go carry the dino from Witchyworld to the train, or not having the swap cloud in the Terrydactyland station.

[@OnlineVideoSurfer]

This is an important point. Banjo-Tooie is very labyrinthian, but if you're *just* trying to beat the game, it is nowhere near as strict in terms of its totals. You can skip a lot (maybe all?) of the world swapping, and approach the game like Mario Odyssey. Collect everything you can, but don't worry too much if you miss something if you're not having fun collecting it all. Especially since there are quality of life improvements like not losing all your notes if you die. Now. of course, I think people want to see everything, so that does add a little pressure to Team Lucahjon, but for your average person you don't need to worry about getting everything. Also, Grunty's Industry is gigantic - and very dickish at times - but unlike the last world it's not just big to fit the scale of the world. It's big in a very purposeful, puzzly way. If the previous world is like Hyrule Field - almost big for the sake of big - then the next world is more like the Water Temple. Matter of taste if you like it or not (I think it's wonderful), but its size serves a different purpose.

[@baconlabs]

I'm one of the weirdos that likes Grunty Industries! Not gonna lie, big part of that is because of the music, I love all the variations. I wish it was easier to navigate - maybe some colored wires/pipes to guide you from room to room, or something - but otherwise I treat it like a humongous puzzle box and I like taking my time to finish it piece by piece.

[@cuthbertwensleydale9]

Yeah, not being able to finish a world in one go is one of the common complaints I hear about Tooie. But for me that's one of the reasons I think Tooie is better than Kazooie, honestly. I prefer having to go back to old worlds and do things with new abilities instead of just going in a world, finishing it, and never going back.

[@EuroMIX2]

I've definitely seen people who like or dislike either style. I've watched people play collectathons who _loathe_ not being able to 100% an area in their first visit; definitely a YMMV kind of thing.

[@Blackbeltj17]

Hey Lucahjin and Jon, just to emphasize how much bigger Tooie is, on episode 24 of Kazooie you COMPLETED the game, and with this episode you just entered the 6th world. In terms of levels, that is like just starting Mad Monster Mansion, I.E. you still got 3 levels to go, starting with Grunty Industries. I'm enjoying the series, but Tooie is much bigger!

[@jabaash]

6:05 There actually IS 1 poop attack the player can perform. You can cast Feculent Flood as a blue mage.

[@rmsgrey]

Before you get too far into the new level, it might be a good time to revisit Honey-B's bosom (and maybe knock off the last thing in Glitter Gulch Mine while you're there). Also, fun fact: in morse code, the letter 'i' is two dits, 't' is one dah, 'e' is one dit, and 'm' is two dahs, so "item" would be "short short (pause) long (pause) short (pause) long long".

[@collinarter2470]

20:40 "Canadians are weird!" -Ed

[@d3structi]

Interacting with Mumbo from downstairs is a thing from the N64 release. Didn't think it was removed from the Xbox port.

[@Mighteyes]

What you're describing as your gripe with the game is my favourite thing about it haha I love how well it does backtracking and how connected all the worlds are and how you unlock abilities to come back and do stuff that you've discovered you are unable to the first time

[@calzoneyed]

Yeah it's pretty cool 😁

[@BeanSparrow]

same i love to see worlds being used more then once

[@Jeikobu]

Agreed. It actually really bugged me how in BK1, there were only two worlds which each needed a move from the opposite. I know at first glance to some it could be pretty annoying, but I like having reasons to go and revisit older portions of the map in a game.

[@TheBeserkerLord]

"Some people are gonna say that's not a bad thing." Yeah, that's pretty much what it comes down to. People who like Tooie more than Kazooie are people who consider the added complexity to be a positive, not a negative.

[@Nintendrone42]

The glitch where you talk to Mumbo from the ground floor requires you to stand directly below where you normally talk to him, which is somewhere around the rim of the green light thing near the entrance, and I think you might have to be facing Mumbo as well. Maybe it was fixed in the Xbox version. Speaking of which, it _is_ weird that Mumbo won't use his healing spell in Terrydactyland even though that's where it's needed, as if the Mumbo pads themselves determine what spell Mumbo will use. Oh man, the episode ended before Lucah found out the first of many things Grunty Industries does that annoys people. I expect a lot of "Seriously?" and "We have to do _all this_ shit?" going forward.

[@johnnymind4151]

0:30 Good to hear you feel better Jon! As I said before I really like both Banjo-Kazooie and Tooie for different reasons so yes, the latter being less linear because you have to revisit previous worlds with new abilities to complete them is definitely a plus to me for the most part! 7:58 Ah, I see what they did here, "Which doctor?" indeed. 13:07 It's kind of weird there's an extra step to this but yeah, I always did it the intended way i.e. walking on that ledge, didn't know you could fall like this to reach it, cool! 15:58 I've never heard of that dish before so I looked it up, it looks tasty! 23:47 Yet another thing I've never heard of before, but in this case I can see why they didn't sell those in my country. 25:21 Honestly, this "cheat" could be pretty useful in every remaining world. 29:17 In the sense of the "most difficult/annoying world in the game" yes, this is arguably this game's Rusty Bucket Bay, but for completely different reasons... 30:27 ... starting with how you get inside Grunty Industries as we'll see in the next episode. I found it cool as a kid and still do, but it's undeniably confusing and that's going to be a recurrent theme with this world (as we've also got a glimpse of here with the batteries).

[@dylanfrancis5996]

Glad you’re feeling better Jon. And Tooie as a Metroidvania? It did feel a bit familiar now that you mention it…

[@wumpus976]

I think the reason everyone hates Mumbo might be because he’s Grunty’s teacher. She’s the one who cursed him with the skull head, which might explain why people hate him. He’s the teacher of one of the biggest threats in that world, and he’s been turned into a freak.

[@RockStoneLee19]

You guys have awesome voices for characters. Would definitely watch animated shorts based off ya voices.

[@maryyram5039]

19:48 - well I was not expecting that blast of nostalgia today. Many thanks for the earworm, Jon and Lucah! EDIT: holy hell Ashtar! I found that PSA so scary when I was little.

[@redtwo006]

"Hi, I'm badly damaged but I'm here to help" That's my mantra at work, honestly.

[@FinderX]

8:24 I think that Banjo is the few (or the only) good one fellow, because he is like Forest Gump and Kazooie is like Lt. Dan, harsh but good inside.

[@akiva6887]

My big issue with the back tracking is that isnt not like a metroidvania where you you come back to explore a whole new area. You backtrack to use a new move for one quick thing to get a Jiggie and that's it. Its tediously going down a checklist instead of the feeling of exploring. I still like Tooie but its criticisms are pretty deserved.

[@KlaviceGavin]

I don't doubt that but to be fair the first game has issues too. I think the problem is people need to see this as a flawed masterpiece or Contested Sequel like Final Fantasy 8 or Castlevania 2 Simon's Quest though with a lot less issues than the latter.

[@akiva6887]

I should mention for context that I replayed both a few months ago. All games have their issues, anyone who says this game is nothing but bad probably didnt like the first game much in the first place.

[@Leopoldshark]

I want to guess that some of the ways the worlds are connected are to incentivize backtracking at a certain point where you've learned a few new moves and thus can do a few things while you are there. But maybe I'm giving the game too much credit. The other thing with the new moves you get in Tooie is that many of them don't increase your movement options at all. So when you are backtracking in Tooie, you are mainly running through the worlds using the same Talon Trot/jumping that you navigated the world through the first time. A general rule of backtracking is that when you have to move through an area that you've been through before, you should have a new move that either allows you to traverse it in a different way or at least go through faster. Tooie doesn't really do this, partially because the moveset carried over from Kazooie already covers many of the available movement options. I will also criticize Tooie to no end, but it's still one of my favorite games based on the worldbuilding. I don't come back to replay it as much as Kazooie, but each time you do you appreciate it.

[@EuroMIX2]

@@Leopoldshark The game would probably have to have been built or be modified with this in mind, but I feel like a lot of Tooie's issues could be solved if the game gave you some kind of permanent Turbo Talon Trot activation, but just heavily reduce your traction so it's only really useful for covering large, flat areas safely. I admire what they were trying to do with Tooie's scale, but it ends up being a slog to traverse through.

[@SamTheMarioMan]

I think my problem with the backtracking to previous worlds to complete them is that pretty much all of the Jiggies you need to do that for are extremely simple, like using the Springy Shoes in Glitter Gulch to make one big jump, or doing a short glide to get that cavern Jiggy in Jolly Roger Lagoon. It kinda takes away any satisfaction of going back and getting a Jiggy you couldn't get before. Anyway, I'm sad that Grunty Industries is right after Terrydactyland, cause this is gonna sour Lucah's and Jon's opinions of the game even more. At least the world after that one is pretty well-liked!

[@calzoneyed]

The world after Grunty Industries is pretty much everyone's favorite. I love it so much. And then the one after that is pretty great too

[@shadowdemon1375]

I never really thought about it that way before, and that is true that many of the jiggies are pretty simple to get after getting the move. That being said, there are good later jiggies where you just get the jiggy for completing the quest and not have to go back for it, like the pigs in Jolly’s or Drippy’s quest. Idk, still my favorite game, but that’s a good way of thinking about that.

[@KitCloud1]

This is absolutely the main issue. Most of the discoveries you're going back to earlier places in tooie for are to use extremely context sensitive abilities to just check that activity of a list, what makes it particularly annoying in my opinion is that Tooie doesn't offer any skills that make movement more fun or dynamic: unless you are completely efficient with your routing significant portions of a playthrough involve holding forward on the joystick as you walk past content you've seen half a dozen times.

[@EuroMIX2]

@@KitCloud1 I said this in response to someone else, so forgive the copy/paste: The game would probably have to have been built or be modified with this in mind, but I feel like a lot of Tooie's issues could be solved if the game gave you some kind of permanent Turbo Talon Trot activation, but just heavily reduce your traction so it's only really useful for covering large, flat areas safely. I admire what they were trying to do with Tooie's scale, but it ends up being a slog to traverse through.

[@KitCloud1]

@@EuroMIX2 certainly wouldn't hurt, it reminds me of the idea I've toyed with in my musings about the ultimate collectathon game being powerup collectables that aren't on a timer but a resource limit like wonder wing. Unfortunately you really would have to redesign the game from the ground up, not necessarily because it would break the game as is but because you're still just going forward only faster.

[@GamerCrusaderPlays]

I love how interconnected the worlds are however I've always wanted a game that did this idea much better.

[@AdmiralKomodo]

Dinosaur: I feel like shit Kazooie: Well you are what you eat!

[@ChaosMaelstrom]

You know it's going to be a long day when it's a chore just figuring out how to get into the level. Remaining collectible requirements and locations (for sake of helping Lucah and Jon) **Spiral Mountain/Isle O' Hags** *Jinjos: 1* Cliff Top (Claw Clamber Recommended) **Mayahem Temple** Complete! **Glitter Gulch Mine** *Jiggies: 1* Behind the Waterfall (Springy-step required) **Witchyworld** Complete! **Jolly Roger's Lagoon** *Jiggies: 2* 1. Tiptup's Egg (Requires Hatch) 2. Piglets' Pool (Requires World 7 and 8 trigger) **Terrydactyland** *Jiggies: 1* Dippy's Pool (Requires World 8 Trigger) *Other* Cross Stomping Plains with Banjo (Nap Pack Required) **Grunty Industries** *Estimated episodes until hint reveal: 5* (I know from experience how long it takes to get anything done in this level even knowing what you're doing, so I can only imagine it's going quite a bit while you're also fumbling through it blind, hence the longer wait time)

[@tofudemaru]

Tooie is my favorite game of all time and I love all of the backtracking. Granted, because of how many times I've played it, there's less confusion and it's more fun to go through each world knowing exactly what to do. On a similar note, I'm one of the weirdos whose favorite world is Grunty Industries. Despite that, I am very eager to see how long Lucah's positive mindset will last, because it's one of those worlds that takes a while to get used to. I'll be shocked if you end up liking it after your first playthrough of it, because I didn't at the time. The reason it's my favorite though is because I think it utilizes most of the games' mechanics better than any other world, especially Split Up. So try to appreciate that at least. Otherwise the only hint I'll give is that much like the rest of the game, if you get stuck, move on and try again later. There are a lot of separate areas in this world and trying to do everything in one area at once won't get you far.

[@Putuk22]

Just to shock Jon again, Grunty Industries is my favorite world in this game. There's just something appealing to me about infiltrating the bad guys factory and messing with the goingons in it. Infiltrate is also quite literal, since you gotta be tricksy to actually get inside the factory. Terrydactyland meanwhile is my least favorite. The Styracosaurus Jiggy is just a bit too much and the world itself is just a bunch of brown rocks, it's easy to get lost in. One of the most appealing things to me about Tooie is how imaginative and out there the level tropes are, but Terrydactyland feels like a bit of a stinker among them.

[@spootato]

From my perspective as someone who grew up with his older siblings N64, Banjo Tooie has always had this extremely grand and expansive feeling to me, no less due to the fact that all the worlds are somewhat connected, and especially the large and complex levels such as Grunty Industries have always left childhood me with sense of wonder for exploring the map, and reward for solving puzzles like no other game previously had or for the next years will have had. So while I understand the people saying how it is tedious and too reliant on backtracking, I just really wish to remind people to look back on this game through the eyes of a child who has never previously seen videogame worlds of such dimensions and where it still felt like you could explore every corner and find new secrets.

[@Hawlo]

I used to love this game, but not Grunty Industries. After my most recent playthrough... it's fine, really. There is one REALLY difficult Jiggy, but everything else is just remembering where everything is, and trying to make sense of the world layout when you see something behind a wall that you can't get yet. I think you've said it a few times, but this really isn't a good Blind LP game, you might have had a different experience if not under the pressure of having to consistently make progress during the videos (or maybe it'd be even worse, who knows). Even as someone who likes the game, though, there's definitey a lot of inexcusable decisions that you just know were made to sell strategy guides for the game.

[@KlaviceGavin]

Oh yeah, even I can't deny it gets labyrinth like at times. But then again, so do the later worlds of DK64. I think I've spent more time aimlessly wandering around in DK64 or Castlevania 2 than Tooie where it at least has landmarks. I couldn't even finish Frantic Factory in DK64. I at least got to Grunty Industries before consulting a guide in Tooie. What is with Rare and factory/industrial levels?

[@Kraigenerus]

Dunno, i 100% this as a kid with no need of a guide but i really liked the backtracking and the connected worlds so i really got into the game. I do think you need different playstyles for Tooie and Kazooie, the first game you can 100% in a day with the brain turn off and is a great time, the sequel is one you 100% in different sessions while making mental notes of shit that you see and if you are into that you are going to have fun.

[@Rexaura888]

One difficult Jiggy? I count two: Quality Control and Clinkers.

[@Hawlo]

@@Rexaura888 I had the Clinkers in mind, since I remembered everything else being more annoying than difficult because of how you open the mini-games.

[@Quacking-Goose]

While she might dislike the level I think she will enjoy one thing about it. If you know you know.

[@kuramacon]

Played this before Kazooie as a kid. This one of my fav N64 games. Played Kazooie years later and was like "this is so simplified and gutted from what I know".

[@deathofalltrades282]

Grunty Industries…oh god.

[@juke986]

Okay okay! I'll say this as you guys are going in Grunty Industries. Terrydactyland was complicated because of the size of the level. Everything was spread out and a lot of it looked really similar and it was harder to determine what went where. Grunty Industries, while it is a large level, is like a giant puzzle. In one area you'll trigger something that only is usable in a different area. Or, you'll get the transformation in one spot but you need to discover all of its uses in other places. It absolutely can be done without a guide but I would recommend taking notes on the different things you see, just so you can keep it all together. It is a really clever level but it can be frustrating, some moments are a little ragey. I hope you enjoy it though!

[@Nyahahameha]

You just unearthed such a deep-seated dormant memory talking about that amputation PSA with the robot. Oh my god. I remember just being, like, disturbed on a fundamental level by that thing the first time I saw it. I wonder what other treasures my mind has stashed away within its recesses?

[@TPrower]

And so ends the vacation in Terrydactyland, rounded off by helping a mother with a runaway child, an undersized child, and a child who got sick from eating pterodactyl poo. Next stop, what might be considered the Rusty Bucket Bay of Banjo-Tooie: Grunty Industries.

[@tgvelvet4985]

Mumbo's a Geomancer that's why his spells are determined by where he is

[@GetThatGlitchBandit]

I like the backtracking in this game from how much the worlds are connected. This is mainly due to each world isn’t totally isolated from one another and they all connect to a much bigger world, however, I do not like that the only reason to backtrack is to get one jiggy and that about it, but I do think the jiggys that involves going to another world much earlier than what you’re expected to is a neat idea as it foreshadows on where you will be going to eventually even if its a small room or two. Bonus note: I always had few theories why everyone hates Mumbo and its either by how he looks or maybe the fact that he taught Gruntilda once and since I guess everyone hates her, take their anger on him but that could be a stretch. Last theory is probably its all a gag throughout the game which is honestly the most likely scenario.

[@Leopoldshark]

You don't have to like Tooie more than Kazooie. Just appreciate that world design, while less elegant than Kazooie, delivers incredible world building. In Kazooie, each level seems to just exist in a magic space isolated from each other. In Super Mario 64 style, they feel like video game levels and not actual places in the world. In Tooie, the Isle of Hags is home to the Jinjos and Moles who have a fierce kickball rivalry. The lagoon supplies water to both the mine and factory. You have a Mayan priest that steals relics from nearby cavemen to add to his wealth. You have a theme park that was closed down due to its horrendous safety record, but somehow bear and dinosaur children from different parts of the map want to go visit. It would have been nice to have more elegant gameplay in Tooie as well, but having this world building is neat. One of the problems with the backtracking is that Tooie does not add very many moves that increase movement options. There are three different moves that are just egg aiming and 4 moves that are just new types of eggs. Stuff like the Taxi Pack are mostly for solving puzzles. The powerups are also mainly isolated to small areas. 90% of the time, you will still be traversing the worlds using the same Talon Trot/jump. One of the big rules of backtracking is that if a game is going to make you go through an area a second time, it should allow you to do it in a different way. Metroid has the Spider Ball and Grapple Beam to make moving through previous areas both faster as well as different. Tooie had a problem because a majority of the movement options were already covered by Banjo-Kazooie's moveset. You could already run fast, fly, and double jump. It's very difficult to add movement options that both add variety to the gameplay without just replacing old moves. There are fun movement options later, but they come a bit late and are generally for specific purposes and kind of overlap with already existing moves.

[@KitCloud1]

Overall agree but I think there were plenty of upgrades that could have been added to BKs movement options. For starters talon trot is not "fast", when I think fast in a large game with movement upgrades I think of the ability to cross anywhere from a quarter to the whole map in a matter of seconds like Wolf charge or speed boost in SoN and Super metroid. And until you can fly infinitely and at will, there will always be upgrades worth adding to that mechanic (no I don't care how much such an upgrade would break the game doing everything when, where and *how* the devs tell me to IS the problem).

[@reaperzone85]

Grunty Industries reminds me of a family guy quote from the Halloween episode "Pink Panther: Hey first time in Grunty Industries?, Brian: Yeah?, Pink Panther: Welcome to Hell....."

[@MrMcJazzhands]

Ah, good ol' Grunty Industries. This level's incredibly complicated, but you've already met my favorite character in yellow: Guv'nor. It's the overly dramatic death sound he makes that sells me, and apparently it was previously used in an old Disney short called Get Rich Quick! I still have no idea where that sound originally came from or who made it in the first place, but its use here is what makes me come back to Grunty Industries time and again.

[@shadowdemon1375]

14:30 I just always assumed it was because of the Glowbo from each specific world that made the magic happen, like Wumba only allowing for one transformation each world and the Mega Glowbo allowing for the Kazooie transformation.

[@lukerbom12]

Oddly, Glowbos other than the Mega one count as just regular collectibles. You could theoretically use any Glowbo from any world at any Mumbo or Wumba hut

[@shadowdemon1375]

@@lukerbom12 I know, and I know ultimately it’s just a game gimmick and nothing more, but it’s what I tend to think of instead of it just being Humba and Mumbo being lazy.

[@rmsgrey]

@@lukerbom12 Yeah, in my recent playthrough, I didn't activate Cliff Top Mumbo in the overwold for several worlds after getting the glowbo so I could activate Mumbo or Humba and then find their glowbo.

[@human_brian]

I never laugh so hard when watching an LP as I do when it's a Jon and Lucah LP. They are just so great together and I never miss an upload.

[@royross6411]

I like tooies metroidvania style in concept, since one of my favourite things in metroidvanias is when the different areas in the game are actually connected rather than separate, but honestly the thing i have issues with tooie for is that it doesn't really do the concept that well, like the actual connections rarely matter more than "bring an item from one place to another" or "press a switch to unlock a jiggy in another world", honestly the dino family quest despite being one of the more annoying ones to complete on a first playthrough feels like one of the best, using multiple worlds and even using the fact that mumbos magic is world specific in a cool way,( the only other time I can remember this happening only happens in the final world too), honestly I feel like I would like tooie a whole lot more if it just fully committed to the multiworld metroidvainia feel, instead of, letting you get like 8 jiggys per world and then having you move on.

[@foreverFlummoxed]

Isle O' Hags wooded hollow - destroy-able slab in egg shed (not sure if it's useful depending on how the 3 S n' S 2 eggs are done) Isle O' Hags plateau - Honey B honeycomb health trade Glitter Gulch Mine - waterfall near the crushing shed. Jolly Roger's Lagoon - Tiptup's unborn child. Unobtainables: JRL - warm the piggies' pool. Cliff Top - Bird tracks near Jamjars' shortcut silo. TDL - Banjo crosses the stomping plains, Dippy seeks a beverage. Basement waste disposal - Jiggy Secret Codes - [received from Madame Grunty in Witchyworld] and "An egg container followed by Jingaling?" I will also start taking some notes of certain signs in Grunty Industries, so to begin: Need a battery? try looking here: above the world entry/exit, floor 2 guarded by Tintops, floor 2 near the electromagnet chamber door, floor 3 near Mumbo's skull. someone else explained talking with Mumbo on the bottom floor better, but it is the side of the polygonal circle closest to the bottom of the ramp rather than near the entrance. of course i still don't know if it is intentional or a glitch possibly removed in XBLA, i just happened to frequently get it with little trial and error throughout the years so i had always presumed it to be intentional.

[@Nonjola]

I still think the game is good because the puzzles are a bit more complex, but I get the complaints some folks have with it, for completing the game 100% you really have to backtrack a lot. If Microsoft or Rare make another Banjo-Kazooie game (or if Playtonic wants to make another 3D-Yooka-Lalyee), they should make it like this: 1. Sizes of the world should be on the level of the ones from Banjo-Kazooie or Mayahem Temple from Tooie: not too small, not too big. 2. Puzzles should be as complex as the ones from Banjo-Tooie. 3. No backtracking! 4. Mini-Games should be included. I think the ones from Banjo-Tooie aren't that bad and overused. 5. The game should have a simple story, but like in DK64 you should have cutscenes showing up from time to time, so that you can see, that there is still a story going on. 6. The tone has to be light-hearted and juvenile. 7. A lot of funny and silly character interactions.

[@NoNo-bg8oc]

I feel like people hate on the next world far too much. And if you're avoiding spoilers lucah, stop reading now. . . . . . . . . . . It feels completely different from every world in both games, its going for an idea and I really like the way it was executed. From the second you start the world with the opening puzzle it is immediately conveyed that you are not allowed here. Instead of picking up random jiggies that are just laying on the floor in goofy sandboxes, grunty and her sisters have actually taken steps to protect the jiggies and you have to infiltrate and EARN your goofy sandbox by disassembling the level from the inside. It feels like this is THE world that all the crazy new mechanics introduced in Tooie are meant for.

[@bt480]

Started watching this series last week. Am all caught up now :) Enjoy GI.

[@torg3481]

5:38 I hated Grunty Industries when I was a kid due to getting lost and hating the electric sentries, but now it's my favorite level (except Weldar). I think of it as one massive level of breaking and entering.

[@thepicausno5561]

I'm the kind of person that loves this game more than Banjo Kazooie. I kove the shift away from fixed camera angles and platforming in favor of puzzle solving and exploration. I LOOOVE going back to other worlds with new abilities, It feels like i'm given a second opportunity to look through this level, and it gives me a really strong feeling of progression. I respect that this game isn't for you, that's totally understandable. But I do hope when we get to the final world you love it almost as much as I do.

[@GlassJoe1337]

Thank you for the upload

[@saidbassime3922]

hey gooooood video thank you for your lets plays

[@shazelgames5923]

I just finished Grunty Industries myself, and I did really enjoy the aesthetic and the music! This is one of those worlds where what the game expects you to do (and in what order) is super obtuse in some places.

[@amberdevenney1928]

Baza immediately made me smile and think of the mario party minigame. BAZABAZA!

[@fernando98322]

Grunty Industries is very convoluted... until you stop and start thinking very hard about it and that's why it's my favorite. The nature of it being divided in floors actually help a lot.

[@donnakayt1]

Oh no, Grunty Industries, good luck. I'm still stuck on that damn level. (and the ones after that, but we're not getting into those right now.)

[@0744401]

Mumbo can cast only one spell per Glowbo - the magical creatures he harnesses his magic from.

[@mewzia2337]

Never would I have thought an episode of Banjo Tooie would make me visualize Alaimbert of the Spiked Butt pole dancing on his lance...

[@hatwearinggamer]

Grunty Industries is my favourite level because of how you unwrap it. I never found it difficult to navigate because of the colours and have always been impressed by the way it fits 10 jiggies into a factory level. Though I’d hardly call it an RBB 2. It doesn’t have nearly as much chaotic difficulty as Rusty does.

[@maddog6620]

Awesome 😎

[@KillaLombax]

Okay, so Jon, the way to talk to mumbo downstairs in the green circle is to press the interact button at the top of the circle. The whole idea is that talking to mumbo doesn't check banjo's verticle location. So standing under mumbo should give you the prompt. It might not work on the xbox version, but i know it does in the 64 version

[@SnooDoodle]

I think Tooie is really interesting because the scope of it is HUGE, the moves are expansive and some things feel right at home as things you can do (ledge grabbing, firing eggs while flying, ect). But at the same time, the worlds are genuinely enormous. You add that to needing to backtrack with future moves to complete the levels and it ends up mostly feeling a bit needlessly complicated and overwhelming to keep track of the progress towards collectibles for various levels. Hope you don't get too lost in Grunty Industries, it's about this point that the enemies respawning and being around make it hard to be in one place for too long while you get your bearings.

[@Whirlwhind1]

Good luck with Grunty Industries. It's a doozy.

[@SatoshimaProductions]

"jinjo has been ejected" "jinjo was a imposter"

[@GenerousPanda]

In the N64 version at Mumbo 's hut you can step in the green aura to interact with him without needing to go upstairs but only after giving him a glowbo the first time. This was removed from the Xbox live version for no known reason, more than likely oversight.

[@JaySaber]

29:37 His scream when he dies XD

[@WhiteFangofWar]

23:01 Hope Rides Alone. Yet no matter how dark this factory gets...even now, there's hope for Lucah.

[@wilji1090]

Good luck in Grunty's Industries! It's gonna test your patience. Though... the transformation is loads of fun :D

[@KlaviceGavin]

Things that Lucah is allergic to: Nagito Komaeda Kokichi Oma The villain of Ace Attorney Investigations 2. Creepy Uncle Ray. That Pianta Chick from Paper Mario. Small children. Banjo Tooie. Am I missing anything?

[@KlaviceGavin]

@@vgbcp3rs0na41 Yes. Her. She made her sound like Lois Griffin.

[@Crystalorbie]

As a side bit of advice for Grunty Industries, if you find yourself in the Toxic Sludge around the level and no safe ground to stand on, head for the walls of the pool, so to speak. Rubbing up against the building, or the world's outer walls, or even the floating barrels that act as platforms should allow you to stand without being repeatedly damaged to eventually die. After this are more proper hints and advice for Grunty Industries. ________________________________ Also, if theres any level in this game Jon should have a floor plan/map on hand for guidance, its this one. There are distinct floors, theoretically, but some feel less like a sparate floor and some feel like 2 or 3 floors. Not that it matters much with how fast enemies respawn, but cameras activate security and count as basic enemies. The security they summon can be destroyed when the core is exposed and eggsploded. The only reason to know this is if you want to breath in security areas without constantly being harrassed for like 5-15 seconds. Lastly, finding the worker's quarters is definitely in the top of your personal to-do list, just be sure to check every room there, even if the door be closed. And yeah, for those wondering, Grunty remembered to put the switches that open the front door behind said door, so we're screwed unless theres another way in. (There is) Granted, as a kid that happened to wall my progress for over 2 weeks and I was normally pretty perceptive of that kind of indirect thinking, so good job Grunty?

[@commanderblackheart5856]

The laugthing was coming from the Dragunda's, you can catch a glimps of them when you get thrown out of the... whatever that fluid was.

[@HeyaItsSoup]

I think it's supposed to be toxic waste. I've heard someone here say that it's supposedly oil, but who knows. Anyhow, I'm frightened by those enemies and just seeing them pop up makes me trigger my flight or flight response for some reason. Might be some kind of phobia :|

[@NinjaKinopio]

While Lucah complains about dinosaurs eating poop, I sit here with three poop eating rabbits and a dog who seemingly thinks he's one of them

[@kirbynat493]

i have heard of the Money Pit from Some More News last week and now this. i guess i gotta watch it lol

[@captaingavtron]

You are in for quite the treat in Grunty Industries. Good luck

[@evilcow666]

I would likento remind everyone how lucahjin thrashed the water temple (excluding dark link).

[@rebeccahart9628]

Came for Jurassic Park and stayed for BAZZA

[@KlaviceGavin]

I feel like Tooie was an experiment of sorts. They have a lot of good ideas and there's more versatility with Tooie's moveset than Kazooie's but I think the reason people aren't fond of Tooie is simply because it felt like it was a bit of a dumping ground for ideas that didn't work for Kazooie. I feel like Kazooie is what happens when you stick to the formula whereas Tooie is deriving from it while trying to stay familiar.

[@bowkatiewow]

Okay but Canadian PSA’s are the reason I spent my entire childhood believing in house hippos.

[@BlueBlazeGX]

I'm over here in the kitchen getting food and my bluetooth starts cutting out. Just sounds like normal conversation in between disconnecting, then outta nowhere, 9:12 xD

[@kierengert6177]

I do remember the whole entering Grunty Industries (like I mean actually properly entering the building where most of the level is at) being quite a bit different and less intuitive than just walking in like you've been able to do with every other level. Nothing difficult to figure out but different enough.

[@louismoskovitz9764]

I have hope for the next level - Famous Last Words

[@michaelgunnels9694]

Best of luck with the next world your gonna need it

[@Commodore128]

Playing this game vs. playing Banjo Kazooie really required a change in mindset for me. Rather than completing one level at a time and moving on, I had to learn to just do a quick sweep of every level and get the obvious stuff first, be absolutely sure to find all the new moves, then move on to the next level knowing full-well that there were more collectibles I simply couldn't get at the time anyway. I'm playing Yooka-Laylee right now, and this same system is getting me pretty far!

[@ShayminStation]

We're finally entering Grunty Industries! I remember actually liking this world as a kid, but when I finally played it 100% through as an adult I hated how long and confusing everything in this world was. I still think the aesthetic of the place is cool, and it has probably the best boss track in the game (the whole soundtrack slaps though). Excited to see how the next 8+ episodes go lol

[@Linkforlife199]

On today's episode of Everybody Hates Mumbo, we see our hero attempt to cure 2 sickly triceratops, one who ate Pteradactyl poop and one who got shrunk down by mysterious means, how will our hero fare? Will everyone still hate him? Find out in today's epic episode of Everybody Hates Mumbo.

[@SyrianDudeLV]

It's okay Lucah, I got the "Roar, Writhe, and Rage" reference 🐯

[@sotnosen95]

"All the Canadians will know." And everyone who watched the Nostalgia Critic.

[@collinarter2470]

they do still make moon shoes

[@Schwarzorn]

I'd say to think of it more like an Adventure game. Cuz that's what it is. Meanwhile, B-K is more like a Checklist game. You just go thru each world, one by one, with your checklist in hand, and don't leave till you've completed each checklist. Except for that one Jiggy in that one world.

[@Earthdivine279]

So as someone who knows way to much about FF14, there is infact poop attacks in the game, specifically the Gorillas in Hullbreaker Isle are heavily implied to having a poop attack. As well, the butt-named Dragoon mentioned actually makes comments about how he is attacking the enemies with his butt during the FATE. To add to conversation, I loved the connectiveness of Tooie back when I played this as a Child, but as an adult I can appricate their attempt at it but too many things seem like unfinished ideas or added padding. The Mumbo healing spell I dont know how I figured out as a kid since you don't get a prompt for stuffing her in the bag nor know that mumbo is the healing one outside of his home being on a cliff.

[@stephenmahilum285]

"I guess my summer vacation is finally over..."

[@alexeidarling]

Well, at least SOMEBODY likes Mumbo. And we got our inevitable Simpsons reference in! OK wait, Lucah, I thought you didn't grow up in Canada...how do you know Don't You Put It In Your Mouth? That was our thing! I never saw Astar growing up - the reason I know about it is because Jon mentioned it during the Disc Only segment of Colosseum 2021. My Canadian PSAs were Don't You Put It In Your Mouth, the Drugs song, House Hippo, and that damn uncanny valley TV that still haunts my nightmares. "I'm just a TV! I can show you funny shows, nature shows, shows about people all over the world. But you're much smarter than me! Go play outside." I thought Moon Shoes were made up for that one episode of Arthur! (Also, can we watch old PSAs for a Retro React Friday soon?)

[@drbowser166]

You want to know a dangerous toy more dangerous than Moon Shoes? Gasoline powered Pogo Stick. This was a thing. Big ol' what the fuck kind of toy.

[@InsiderCrash]

We have reached Grunty Industries. Now I cannot stop thinking of the Soulja Boy mix

[@Crystalorbie]

Lucahjin, They ABOSLUTELY make moon shoes still. I know because I work at amazon and the things are clogging up the warehouse. (along with much other crap but thats a different gripe) Now, Moon Shoes for adults might be more difficult to find, but I imagine you could still snap a neck or 3 with some if you search real hard.

[@AO968]

Ah, Grunty Industries, the only level where I needed to consult a guide to figure out how to get in. Love the boss in this level, though. Not so much the fight, but his text is really funny.

[@marjosonic]

"It insists upon itself." Can we have an animation about this reference, but with Banjo Tooie as the subject instead?