Banned from Atlas Earth for Too Many Epic/Legendary Parcels.. Is There a Better Way? (11/14/23)

[@suzibikerbabe8073]

If he didn't violate any rule, he shouldn't have been banned. Change the rules or ability to do it.

[@connorgillispie7128]

Yeah he probably has a winnable lawsuit but it wouldn’t be worth the money to spend

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

DISCLAIMER TO ANYONE WHO SHOULD BE READING THIS: I also should mention that this conversation between me and Zupfrogg happened the day he got banned.. it only took this long to make a video on it because I was doing my own research. If you're wondering why I blocked the convo with a blue screen, that was a last minute decision to block all but what was substantive. Enjoy the vid.

[@kevinbrink8062]

I was driving through a small town I live near and noticed something strange. About every five to ten blocks there would be one lot bought and magically they were always legendary. Is something funky going on?

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

@@kevinbrink8062 Weird.. then again just came back from my haul in the ballpark and all my epics/legendaries from it ended up looking like common parcels too so that makes me wonder if it holds up for lone parcels..

[@Disneymagic24]

I think that they ban this account because they don’t want the game to be played like that. Cause you could get all your family to sign up and while they don’t play, you could gain all their tiles.

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

Yeah, but permabanning? Thus why the re-roll idea.

[@Disneymagic24]

@@BeerMoneyEngine it's better to permaban to set the expectations of not wanting to do that. Getting a warning gives people the sense that they can find a way to work around it

[@zupdogg1760]

Bro I think they should have made a rule and reimbursed me if they had such an issue. Can't wait to see what happens when trading goes global btw.

[@LottoAdventures]

The bans that I have heard of thus far, give me anxiety, lol. Makes me scared to even play the game with different strategies sometimes. In fear of getting banned. Lol. Instead of FOMO it’s FOGB, or FOGF (fear of getting frogged). Lmao.

[@LottoAdventures]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@zupdogg1760omg, this is very true! If you get banned, they should refund you, if not all of the money invested in the game, which we know, will never happen, at least a percentage. Because fuck. Even at 150 parcels, that’s a decent investment. No matter how you slice it, to purchase 150 parcels you HAVE to spend at least $624.. of course you could play totally free but, that two would take a huge investment, just an investment in time which can be converted to money. It’s crazy no matter how you look at it. Everything comes back/down to money. Crazy world.

[@luciferjth6047]

They should have just rerolled all of the owned parcels and should do so in the future if they dont wanr thag happening not to mention adding it to their rules

[@MrGates]

Every time we have x50 pay , I have a really hard time logging in 😢

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

Yeah, had that issue in tonight's minigame. Too bad next video is non-AE related or I might be tempted to complain about it lol.

[@Wazzaraptor]

Rip I can’t log in atm -.-

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

@@Wazzaraptor When I'm stuck rn it usually takes me around 15 min to get back on. Once you're on, don't leave until you done everything you wanna do.

[@TilerBlevens]

I just wanted to make a few cents and bro started yapping harder than my math teacher ☠️

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

Can't help myself lol.

[@tastywallet7992]

Great video! I just don't see the mathematical advantage between both parties if one were to sell to the other. At the end of the day, rent at 150 parcels per account is fixed based on your collective pool of parcels at the 30X boost level and you lose AB to the 20% fee, which hampers progress for badges/higher tier levels.

[@zupdogg1760]

My plan was to hang at 150 legendary parcels until I made enough to for a huge jump.

[@Artorias2718]

As someone who knows what it's like to lose everything in AE, I personally feel bad for anyone who gets banned, but especially for those who put money into this. I guess I realize now why selling off commons and only keeping some combination of rares, epics and legendaries is bad. It's still dumb though because if alt accounts were still allowed, it would have been better to just keep whatever parcels you get in all of your accounts. I sold a few parcels to myself before because I had realized they were in the wrong accounts, but I never thought to abuse parcel selling like this. Some people...

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

Oh was that why you lost your first account? O_O I personally liked the re-roll parcel idea as a compromise when the Z-score gets too high but... eh.

[@Artorias2718]

@@BeerMoneyEngine no, I was concerned that I had too many things against me since I spoofed for a few parcels and most of my badges when they banned that Mike Trask guy, so I took matters into my own hands and deleted my first account myself before they could get to me; I figured if I was screwed, I may as well start over sooner than later.

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

@@Artorias2718 Ah, gotcha.

[@zupdogg1760]

Abuse? Bro what's gonna happen if trading ever goes global? I paid 400 per legendary...

[@stoney-nm1xg]

​@@Artorias2718and yet your still spending money on this trash app

[@scottmoody7052]

How do you even sale them? I've got one random one in Indianapolis I'd like to sale so I can replace it for one where I live in Tennessee

[@zupdogg1760]

I just wanted to say that i never cashed out... My plan was to grow as fast as possible.

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

True. Your case is a little weird, but it seems you are making a comeback with your new account. I think I was trying to show a solution to just a straight up permaban.

[@zupdogg1760]

@@BeerMoneyEngine thanks I've really been back into it lately. Tbh, I've put in like 400 dollars on my new account. What I would really like is the ab I had in my old account as it was over 10000 and that could really help me XD. But honestly I'm just happy that I can play again.

[@HayleyHickmanGamer-rh5dt]

I got banned too. They said I used a auto clicker but I never did.

[@zupdogg1760]

I'm sorry to hear that hayley. Seems that's the case with many people...

[@zupdogg1760]

Did you ever even get a warn? Or was it just a random ban?

[@J.P.Rothchild]

He did not have the right to ban him he followed the rules the real estate you're not allowed to have more than one account if you are caught with more than one account on you that you have then you will be banned or punished he didn't have any accounts his dad bought me some of his because he wanted them who cares

[@zupdogg1760]

Thankyou

[@therockman6482]

Hey child. Have you ever heard of periods and comma's? Better known as 1st grade writing skills and punctuation. Why don't you try it sometime??? Thanks!

[@99b0f5qiz]

so we arent supposed to sell land in a game that allows us to sell land? ive gotten 12 gold pieces so far. am i just supposed to quit?

[@zupdogg1760]

Stop fast bro... I was at it for 7months

[@99b0f5qiz]

@@zupdogg1760 damn😔 I was really trying to build this up to pay for gas I got hella excited whenever I was looking at how much I could earn if I were to only have gold pieces of land. It was like $13+ per week and in my brain $13 a week for doing practically nothing at that point was a steal. I guess atlas earth also sees it that way

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

I assume that they don't want players to all double account and trade with each other, and they have little way to verify they are 2 real people. The re-roll parcel thing is a compromise.

[@99b0f5qiz]

@@BeerMoneyEngine yeah i guess re rolling the parcel would be a compromise, but at the same time, if i have the chance to purchase a gold plot of land from someone, i should be allowed to. all to increase the maximum amounts of earnings since going past 150 makes almost no sense

[@zupdogg1760]

​@@99b0f5qizthat's what I ran with and I paid 400ab per legendary. Also I had over 10000 AB.

[@LottoAdventures]

One last question. I have 150 parcels. If I go over this, then my income goes down for having 151 Vs the 150. I can sell a parcel though after doing this to get back down to 150, making my income go back up. Is this true statement? Basically, I can gamble and buy a parcel in hopes of it being a rare for example, then just go and sell a parcel, and since who knows what rarity of parcel I am even selling is, I would say, sell a parcel in hopes of selling a common. Ultimately replacing a common for a rare. Of course this is a huge gamble as who knows the rarity of the parcel you’re buying, and who knows if someone will even buy the parcel you’re trying to sell, especially at the minimum price parcels can be sold, which is 150 versus 100. I guess you would have to ensure the one you’re selling is in a prime location. I know for me, early on one tactic I tried, was purchasing a parcel around another person’s huge lot of parcels. And then put that parcel up for sale, so that they would buy it. Because basically all of the land was theirs, except for this odd parcel that some rando purchased, and everyone knows, at least for me it’s true, that I want to own all of the land in certain areas. So if I owned all of the land, say 99 out of 100 on a certain area, I would certainly want to purchase that 100th parcel if it wasn’t mine, and the other user was trying to sell it. I would snag it from them immediately.

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

In a nutshell, yes, as far as I know, this is a valid strategy albeit not a very profitable one.. because of the 20% cut for selling, a lack of people wanting to buy parcels from someone for 150 AB minimum when they can mint for 100 AB, and because if you don't keep track of what rarity a parcel is you could be prone to making mistakes.

[@miman5082]

I have a BUNCH of money in this game. If I get banned for this I will definitely be going to court. They will be paying me all my money plus interest.

[@darylfetters3855]

Why even have a sell feature if they don’t want you to upgrade that’s probably the real reason they’ve never released auctions I think maybe a sell back option would work for maybe 30percent back to help get rid of commons but then again they don’t want anyone having 150 plots with no commons or mayb reduce the boost drop for plot 151 to 25 percent instead of 20

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

I'm just thinking in the sense of the company there. Whether or not what they're doing is right or wrong, or how wrong it is, is up to the person IMO.

[@latinogamer1012]

This just further dissuades anyone from selling parcels, however I do think atlas reality does have a right to ban accounts they deem suspicious.

[@Jman_Sleek]

Wait you can sell your parc3ls? I thought that was for a future version... idont even see the option to sell parcelsto someone

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

You can sell them but auctioning is still in the long-term future.

[@J.P.Rothchild]

Frog needs to sue them until their ears fall off for all the money that he put invested in it + 30% return

[@himgan.v1]

i was banned for the same reason as zup a little over a year ago around june 2023 and i had messaged support asking why my account was banned and they said i violated TOS. so i spent an hour looking for what i had violated and couldn't find anything that i was guilty of, so when i asked them specifically what i did to get perma banned they said "your atlas earth account has been banned for violating our TOS by either using an emulator or having multiple accounts." I however did not use any emulators nor did i own any other accounts I was just buying parcels my brother would get since he did not play the game that often and they had a sell feature in the game so i thought it would be perfectly fine if i were to buy it from him. it left me with a bad taste about atlas for the last year especially considering i never got any warning or a temporary ban i was just straight banned a week after it had happened. Ive since then gotten back into it recently and have wanted to create a new account and restart but i havent out of fear that ill put in a lot of time into it and ill be banned for creating a new account

[@LottoAdventures]

First time listener, first time commenter. I have a question. Early on, I tried selling a parcel. The game doesn’t allow you to choose what parcel is sold, as far as rarity, at least as far as I can tell. When you choose a parcel and click sell, you price it and that’s that. How did frogg even do this? Lol. Or am I missing something?

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

They probably managed to keep track of which parcels were epic/legendary when they bought it manually.

[@adreamtmonochrome]

With how many ads they expect F2P players to watch, this kind of thing should be allowed. I'm calling it bullshit that this guy got banned for doing this. And speaking realistically, I doubt enough people would bother to do something like this to the point that it would even make a dent in Atlas Reality's profits.

[@suzibikerbabe8073]

How do you sell parcels?

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

Same way you buy them except you click on one of your own parcels.

[@jdreynolds29]

How is this even possible because you're not allowed to sell properties yet

[@Irishdiamond112]

So you cant buy legendary parcels from anyone or you risk being banned ??

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

Don't think that was the case back then. It was a bunch of parcels to one person.

[@PMT433]

How are you so good at math

[@sirsluginston]

Pay attention in school, none of this is above middle or high school level equations. Edit: EV might be college level

[@PMT433]

@@sirsluginstonI’m pretty sure this is college level. I’ve taken precalculus and I have never seen those symbols he’s using

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

EV and Z-score are college level statistics. Especially with multiple experiments. Also ya'll think this is fun wait til you see T-Test and ANOVA stuff. That's stuff I need a textbook in order to refresh on lol.

[@lukesaxtaxman867]

Hey bro; you still holding those I bonds? How about Landa arrived homes Fundrise and other crowdfunding real estate platforms?

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

I am not. I'm focusing on a mortgage, but the upcoming take 3 of the experiment might have some go into it.

[@nicholasheggins6160]

So basically if you wanted to get alot of legendaries and paid strangers alot for theirs you get punished or am I missing something

[@ZeroDeg]

A parcel costs money say I buy n sale n now have all epic, it not cheating. Say I spent alot to get all epic, n got banned, I would sue the game for ripping me off.

[@PockitBoxProductions]

Wait when did they implement selling plots

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

A few months ago. You sell the same way as you buy. Click a parcel you own and choose how much you wanna sell it for.

[@ZeroDeg]

I look at the game made money from the 2 player, they probably spent $1200

[@99b0f5qiz]

Another question i've thought of, at what point would an account look suspicious? like lets say I had 40% common 30% rare 20% epic 10% legendary Really just taking away 10% of the common and distributing it to the epic and legendary. Any thoughts on this?

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

The average parcel value you'd get would be: (1 x 0.4) + (1.5 x 0.3) + (2 x 0.2) + (4 x 0.1) = 1.65 Or about 0.2 above the average. Which is fine if you only have a few parcels but it might get suspicious if the law of averages continues to trend that way. The Z-score at 150 parcels I calculated it to be 3.563, which is in the top 99.98% of accounts or 1 in 500 accounts. And only goes up if that trend continues. At 220 parcels, Z-score is 4.315.

[@99b0f5qiz]

@@BeerMoneyEngine yessir, thank you for your breakdown, I greatly appreciate it

[@stoney-nm1xg]

Did he get banned for cashing out

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

No.

[@jeffdiller3336]

I got banned once I deciding to cash out 50 bucks.. this company is a fraud

[@stoney-nm1xg]

@@jeffdiller3336 dude fr how did you get banned was it because you had legendaryies only

[@waddup177]

5:48 Link?

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

KC_Fan has it implemented on his AE Calculator, you can try it out anytime at atlasearthcalculator.com/reverse.html

[@SubaStar24]

i cant sell my plots yet....

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

How many plots are you at?

[@SubaStar24]

@@BeerMoneyEngine ohh that must be why lol I have 11

[@ZeroDeg]

How's is it cheating

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

I'll bring this up in a future video as to what I mean by "cheating" and "gray area" stuff.

[@user-nq3gu8tb9g]

You are obviously on the team. Why don't you disclose your role? Super Shady.

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

I'm part of the Beer Money Network. That's the only team I'm on. That and my fiancee. I criticize AE so much on these videos that I think they would've fired me by now if I was on their team lol. I only talk about it on almost half my videos because it's what people want. That's prolly going to change in 2024 though. Also, pretty sure I wouldn't have knocked AE off my top 3 in Beer Money Reports if I was working for them buddy.

[@johninphx9360]

I quit playing because I bought a legendary from another player and atlas reset it to common. So what's the point of the game? Why sell or buy?it's a pointless game. I just quit and call it a scam.

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

I found out today that the parcels don't seem to match the rarities sometimes.

[@zupdogg1760]

​ I think besides the glitch that makes everything look common I've seen that happen.

[@nicholasromano8699]

The game is designed to encourage spending and unless you do its pointless to even try 😂 then if you find a loophole u get banned 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

Or watch ads endlessly...

[@zupdogg1760]

Cant wait for trading to go global... 👀

[@ChristianGutierrez]

Very sneaky!!!

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

I dunno if it was sneaky, company gotta make money and I get why they did it. I think anyone else would do the same in their situation.

[@edrozenrozen9600]

Not fair at all. It's your money.

[@SubaStar24]

if you delete your account and want to restratr, you cant use the same phone number and get that 150 free AB....just a heads up..

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

Yes, I forgot to mention that. I'll make a mental note for the 4th edition of the guide.

[@SubaStar24]

@@BeerMoneyEngine I was sooo upset when I didn’t get the AB and customer support told me it’s impossible for them to give players AB unless it’s from an event or something… idn

[@SubaStar24]

@@BeerMoneyEngine “We are unfortunately unable to credit players in-game items (i.e. diamonds, spins, AB, etc.). In any case that the team elects to provide compensation for resources, in-game rewards will come in the form of a future event. “

[@J.P.Rothchild]

No he was maximizing his account there's nothing wrong to maximize your account