Nutrition Lecture Pt 2: Protein, Carbohydrates, and Fat

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Time Stamps
0:00-2:00 PDCAAS
2:00-9:00 Muscle Protein Synthesis
9:00-11:00 BCAAs
11:00-13:00 Protein Refractory Period
13:00-19:45 Protein dosing
19:45- 23:00 Protein Supplementation
23:00-27:00 Meal Frequency and Human Growth Hormone
28:00- 32:30 Anabolic Resistance
32:30-35:00 Glycemic Index and Load
35:00-37:00 Fiber
37:00-50:00 High Carb, Low Carb, and Ketogenic Diets
50:00-End Fats (I’m tired. Sorry)

[@saidhaschemi2796]

at 0:48 I was like GAT DAM that dude's delt is unreal but then it hit me haha carry on.

[@horny4violence]

Thought he wasn't natty for a second there.

[@gustjohnson2727]

N U A N C E D U A N C E D

[@nicks5466]

This is NUANCED, you guys with me so far?

[@mugflub]

Nick S I only eat nuanced protein from nuanced cows.

[@tehanureaver4299]

You need to titrate that for me.

[@rodrigospagnol]

Great content, Jordan. This channel deserves way more views. Congrats from Brazil.

[@ApeSlayer]

*Nuanced crew checking in!*

[@kenk1406]

Chris W I'll titrate to that

[@allanlaubeau2462]

Excellent content ! Hard to find that good stuff on youtube! Thanks !

[@drewbizub4730]

Love coming back to this every now and then!! Awesome information when assessing diet for first time

[@anastasisgeorgopoulos3754]

Once again good and informative content! Thank you, your valuable material is much appreciated!!!

[@TheHaiku2]

Thank you for this. Great info!

[@craw405]

Great lecture, i liked the part about leucine and protein and the threshold to illicit a MPS response. Good stuff and I just ordered some whey protein.

[@jacobhollidge59]

I love that you actually spent time talking about the keto diet and didn't try and obliterate it.

[@m00py1]

Wow so N U A N C E D

[@wilkesbooth6487]

more interestingly though..

[@kiril1]

Though.

[@waltersobchak6546]

Thank you Sir! This made me change a lot of what I have been doing.

[@jamesmontigny]

Awesome information Jordan, thanks again.

[@rwharrington87]

Amazing lecture. Learned a lot.

[@saltbjorn2223]

Nice, this was interesting and helpfull! I know much more now about how I should organise my meals.

[@_That_Dude]

Thank you Doc. Appreciate this lecture

[@Timmeh2Buck]

Thanks for the great content, Dr. GainzZz!

[@humungus3]

Good stuff Doc, ty.

[@HaroldDanielMorenoUrbina]

Great video. Thanks a lot!

[@colintranter5162]

Wish I had even a small amount of this information 40years ago. Thanks.

[@joegoldbronn3575]

Fantastic lecture.

[@looolcom]

Freakin amazing lecture, great intellectual source ... 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@DeVescoPierre]

Great content. For your viewers it would be great is you remember to repeat the questions being asked to you.

[@BarbellMedicine]

I think I did....

[@DeVescoPierre]

There were a few instances where the audience asked/commented and you gave an answer with no context to what was said. All in all I'm waiting for you all to come to Colorado that way I'm not left out

[@SnakeC666]

great information, thank you :)

[@shakeeljessa9619]

Thank you for this!

[@clintwalker7095]

Thanks for Sharing!

[@maxwellwitherspoon5469]

Thank you so much for the great information. In regard to the refractory period, how does a pre workout meal effect things? If my pre and post workout meals are less than 3 hours apart, am I not getting the benefits from my post meal? An example would be a paleo breakfast at 8AM, training from 9-10 and a post workout meal at 1030.

[@daviddenicola8247]

Great lecture. Couple of questions on the timing/frequency of meals. I consume ~35 grams whey protein and ~50 grams dextrose (gummy bears) post workout. What is your opinion on waiting 3 hours after this "meal" or consuming another meal within 1 hour like most bodybuilding nutrition advice proclaims due to the post workout meal being "easily absorbed." Also, what is your opinion on how long to wait to train after eating your last meal given your body wants to utilize energy on your digestive system over your skeletal muscle system after you eat. Than you.

[@dripshameless5605]

Really appreciate Jordan's practical advice for vegans (or "veJans" as uncle Rip would say xD). Great point about the rice protein, vegan protein powders as of right now are more expensive (although My Protein has made strides). Best to go straight to the source. I was surprised to see a meal of just beans or lentils alone jacks the leucine content to 4g.

[@rustyblade9366]

Very Nuanced video.

[@kfourten4673]

I'm so happy I found you and Austin! I was curious if you are aware of Dr. Terry Wahls research and if you have an opinion on the protocol. With many types of autoimmune disorder in my family it is a diet that looks very appealing. Although I'm not concerned with weight loss I do want to keep progressing my weight training and health is my primary goal. If it helps clarify the question, I'm a 43 yr old female at about 130lb with a 26.5" waist & 5'6" I started to lift due to arthritis (not RA) and back injury.

[@BarbellMedicine]

It sounds like placebo (her diet) and a good way to make money. I wouldn't recommend that diet to you, but I would recommend you keep training.

[@NopeNope78]

Hi jordan, thanks for the great content! Question here: if I breakfast at 7 AM 20g protein and my 3g leucine. Then I eat a snack at 9 AM like peanut butter jelly sandwich just for the calories (I know I wont trigger MPS) Do I have to wait until noon to eat and get my MPS since I ate a snack at 9 AM or I can eat my lunch at 10 AM (3 hours from my breakfast) Thanks and keep up the great work. Real and honest information is hard to find

[@BarbellMedicine]

You could eat somewhere around 10-11, but hard to know exactly for sure down to the minute.

[@haydentharp4104]

Barbell Docs please chime in. I am curious where you stand on the peripheral vs central fatigue debate? I have never heard a compelling argument for either a mix of the two or one or the other as the component of fatigue experienced from exercise. would love to hear your thoughts!

[@Rensoku611]

PBCAA, bioavailability, most important aminoacid leucine, google difference between fiber on fruit and whole grain

[@seanhagaman4496]

Fantastic video. Thank you. Is there significant benefit to spreading out calories across the day? As long as you get 40 grams (or whatever) of protein 4 times (or however many) a day, can you get most of your calories in one of those meals without significant muscle building cost?

[@BarbellMedicine]

Muscle building, fat accumulation, and recovery probably all suffer this way.

[@seanhagaman4496]

That makes sense. I know you've touched on intermittent fasting a bit in this video and maybe others. Do you think it's ever worth it for the insulin sensitivity or any other added bonus, or is the reduced recovery etc too significant? How about carbohydrate backloading? Thanks for the reply and the great content!

[@grizzlymanverneteil4443]

Currently i workout at 0430 and work (tree trimmer) at 0630. I slam a shake (whey, milk, pb, oats) upon waking and when i arrive on my worksite i wont be able to eat again until 1200. My post workout food options are to eat again before work( 2 hours from previous leucine spike) or during lunch break ( 8 hours from last spike, 7 hours post workout) should i skip post workout shake or just do both? Would whey pre and casein post make a difference? I did watch the video lol.

[@hyungjoonpark83]

time Stamps 0:00-2:00 PDCAAS 2:00-9:00 Muscle Protein Synthesis 9:00-11:00 BCAAs 11:00-13:00 Protein Refractory Period 13:00-19:45 Protein dosing 19:45- 23:00 Protein Supplementation 23:00-27:00 Meal Frequency and Human Growth Hormone 28:00- 32:30 Anabolic Resistance 32:30-35:00 Glycemic Index and Load 35:00-37:00 Fiber 37:00-50:00 High Carb, Low Carb, and Ketogenic Diets 50:00-End Fats (I’m tired. Sorry)

[@kenk1406]

Any resource recommendation to read in regards to this? I know Dr. Baraki is compiling a list of such info, is it completed?

[@timsiskey5880]

For more anabolic resistant folks like older or less trained people is there any studies that show a faster drop off rate of mps? Just wondering if recommending those type of clients closer to the 3hr 3g leucine rate

[@nicomcconnell9772]

I got a question and I hope I can find some help here. I cut down some fat, from 20% (112 kg)to 17%(102 kg) while getting my strength in the basic lifts up on 3x3. I just finally hit a 180 kg Squat for 3x3. But lately I am extremely hungry. And this is dangerous because when I am always hungry I will binge. My question is if I should stop being in a deficit now and eat more or keep on. Because I always thought when you lose weight you'll get less hungry cause you need less calories. However it doesn't feel like it. Thanks for your time.

[@abdulrana4092]

Love the shirt

[@carlknepfler8976]

A few questions... 1. You talked about Bioavailability vs leucine content, are they really independent or is leucine really what’s driving bio availability? 2. You talked about glycogen depletion triggering Hgh. I’ve read that those people with more endomorphic body types that they don’t as readily use glycogen stores. Which I believe is due to the insulin resistance. I may be a little off in my understanding but could you just speak to how body types may influence hgh and if it is worth consideration for anything that can be done nutritionally? 3. Double dose of protein for older people from 20 to 40, but you also said 3 grams is leucine would cover the old person. So isn’t it 40 or 3 whichever comes first depending on source?

[@ccota23]

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6213454/

[@immanuelkuhrt8508]

Lots of good stuff here, though nuts and seeds are great for a chunk of the polyunsaturated fats.

[@bwaargh]

I need to resupply on my protein isolate and i was thinking about buying micellar casein or milk protein. I understood it that you were going to talk about it in the third part, but if you could simply say if i should or shouldn't do it now, that would be helpful, since i don't know when the third part is coming.

[@BarbellMedicine]

Nah, I wouldn't get anything else besides whey.

[@mircead3126]

Hey, i hope you can answear my curiosity. What is your point of view about the increasing concerns that meat and proteins are actually causing illness and people should go vegan? Not sure but i think there are medical studies on that side as well. Isn't over eating cause problems from other perspectives too?

[@SentientVoyager]

Dr. feigenbaum, what are your thoughts on the current practice of round the clock TPN infusion in hospitals? Obviously these patients aren't going for performance but it sounds like it could possibly have negative longer term effects on their health.

[@BarbellMedicine]

Robert Schuman it's not very good and should be modified as we did in our hospital

[@eXpergefacio0]

So, having a PWO containing BCAA's before two hours of training, would make it so that whey protein after workout has no use? So then the logical thing in the 2 hour scenario would be to have a meal one good hour before training to initiate MPS, then have BCAA's to prevent muscle breakdown during training (or is that just bs?), then have the whey protein directly after training? (Or is the whole "eat within half an hour of training" just nonsense?)

[@shayannvaezzadeh6869]

Hey Jordan because of protein refactory period whats your thought on lean gains and one meal a day considering macros are met

[@shayannvaezzadeh6869]

@kzbin.info/door/McGFPjX2aQy31KYdEvT2-Q

[@motion.nature]

It seems that there has to be a 3rd part? Because Jordan ends it with PUFA/MUFA, without covering supplements etc. Would appreciate a link or something

[@JonSchipp]

Great info Jordan. For the fasting periods, is it complete fasting or just for protein consumption? What I really want to know is if I can eat snacks (Cheetos, fruits, etc.) and have a cola between meals while still having MPS maximized or 80%.

[@BarbellMedicine]

You should not snack between meals from an insulin sensitivity standpoint and as a secondary concern, MPS.

[@JonSchipp]

Cheetos and soda for desert then.

[@JonSchipp]

Don't let me fool you. I've been maintaining and getting stronger for a while now. I just like to enjoy Cheetos and Sprecher Orange Dream. Or maybe I just like orange things.

[@AK-ic1yj]

The beauty of Starting Strength is the simplicity for novices. So, how to make things as simple as humanly possible for novices concerning these macro-nutritional parameters? Could you just advise to eat a 80% whole food/20% 'junk' food diet? If you're eating at least 80% whole foods, meaning meat, vegetables, fruits, whole grains, nuts, etc. Would this cover all your macro-nutritional needs for performance and health for a novice? The other 20% of non-whole foods would be so that this would remain actually sustainable and there would be no restrictions of any foods, just restrictions on the total amounts of non-whole foods. Excellent and informative video. Thank you Dr. Feigenbaum for all your hard work and help.

[@BarbellMedicine]

No, I don't think that's good advice for the stated goals. SS isn't simple at all at it's core IMO.

[@AK-ic1yj]

What we need is a way to allow the (non-obese) general public/novices to have a realistic and sustainable form of self regulation when it comes to diet and nutrition. Counting macros and calories will not work, people won't follow that and who can blame them? How can we come up with a way to make eating healthy flexible, enjoyable, and actually sustainable for the long term? What is the minimum amount of tracking? My thoughts are that if you eat 80% whole foods (lots of meat, whole grains, and vegetables) while allowing for a small amount of non-whole foods in the diet (20%). And then track body weight (maybe waistline too), and strength numbers on the main lifts. Thats all. Many people could follow that I would hope. What you ever advise a (non-obese) novice to count macros or calories?

[@BarbellMedicine]

Andrew Warfield why would you say counting calories and macros would not work? You count and track the weight on the bar for each exercise don't you?

[@AK-ic1yj]

Firstly, tracking strength numbers for the lifts and your weekly body weight is extremely more easy and less fraught with major social issues than tracking macros/calories for each meal. Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with calories in/out for weight gain/loss. What I am saying is that counting macros or calories for every meal is too much for the general public/novices. For an advanced/competitor yes, for the rest, no. Why? It's not needed for the general public/novices and people may be able to do it for the short term but for the long term the vast majority of people will give it up. It will end in failure for 99% of novices. We need to think of a better way. Eating is a social activity. Most of us eat with our family. Pulling out the scale and the myfitnesspal app with every meal is lets face it, just plain weird, it's socially unacceptable and a giant pain in the ass that is not necessary anyways for 99% of people. It's a terrible way to live, that scale around your neck like a dead albatross. No one should have to live counting macros or calories. Eric Helms has some good ideas about this topic though. He advises that it is ok to count macros or calories for a short time period, maybe 3-6 months. So that one can get an idea of what macros look like to the eye and how they actually feel in the body. Once you have some experience doing this and can do it without the scales and apps, never count again. To be more in tune with one's true nutrient intake is key. I could get on board with that. What are your thoughts on that idea?

[@BarbellMedicine]

If you do not consistently track your intake you will fail with major lifestyle change pertaining to diet most likely. If you do this for a period of time and then, after this, can maintain similar levels of intake or otherwise control it- then go ahead. However, I do not agree with your assessment of what is weird, possible, or altering of a social experience. That's a projection. I never said someone had to bring a scale to the dinner table all the time, but that doesn't mean dinner shouldn't be accounted for. Also, I've literally worked with 1000's of people and what you're suggesting has not been my experience, but it is somewhat dangerous (if you're telling that to other people to discourage them).

[@ownagemunky]

Have y'all considered doing a follow up on this? Especially with regard to some of the new research surrounding the conventional model vs carbohydrate-insulin model of obesity? It's all very difficult for me to parse and get a feeling for whether or not the rough consensus still lies in the same place as it did when this episode was posted :)

[@RohannvanRensburg]

The most robust study found about a 100cal difference in BMR between a low fat and low carb diet. I've studied the research quite a bit and calories are *mechanistically* still an important component but not one I think most people should pay attention to primarily. Dietary adherence, inflammation, stress, etc are more important considerations. Of course most people interested in obesity are also interested in longevity and health, and the data is more clear on that IMO. Peter Attia has a good interview with Paul Grewal on this.

[@RohannvanRensburg]

I should say 100cal difference in BMR at the higher end. That ketoish or low carb diets are highly effective turn out to be so more for hormonal and paychological reasons, I think. Testosterone is superior on higher fat, for instance, and insulin more stable.

[@Ksunderlin007]

I think you're missing the most important parts of the cellular processes including respiration. enzymes do all the work including building amino acids from existing tissue and from proteins.

[@BarbellMedicine]

Please explain your point. This is not a cellular metabolism lecture, so knowing that the activation energy of a reaction is decreased with a certain enzyme doesn't matter here. We want to know how to optimally drive the relevant reactions to get the best outcomes. So I ask again, what is your point?

[@wizzelhoart]

what about adding bcaas to meals with like, 1 egg or a cup of milk? I have a hard time eating 5 eggs a meal to get in my leucine (vegetarian)

[@SpeedfreakUK]

Literally just have a 30g scoop of decent whey protein

[@backfru]

awesome video here. Whn you talk about high fat diets being 'healthy' what is the timeframe here? Are you referring to chronic consumption over weeks/months, or total amounts per day, or week? For instance, doing a few days per week of "ketogenic" dieting, mixed with low fat, higher carbohydrates on other days? If the same total fat calories are consumed each week by someone on a high fat diet every day?

[@BarbellMedicine]

Nobody "knows" the answer to that question, as that specific iteration has not been studied. In general however, higher fat diets do worse overall.

[@backfru]

One more quick question. High fat.. does that differentiate between sat/MUFA/PUFA content? Would I diet high in MUFA have beneficial health effects? The olive oil, avocado, fish, nuts and other types come to mind?

[@johnshepherd9020]

Sorry if I missed it but how would the minimum 3 hours between meals fit in with pre and post workout meals? Does this still apply?

[@BarbellMedicine]

You should wait 3-5 hours between meals irrespective of where your workout is.

[@PatrickHeymanZ]

This is great stuff. Do you offer CME for the seminar? Or maybe watch our videos, take these online quizzes, and get CME.

[@BarbellMedicine]

Patrick Heyman we are working on cme's. It's a process for sure

[@grizzlymanverneteil4443]

So let's say I am having a shitty fast and cheap meal of a glass of milk and a big PB&J that does get me to about 30 grams of protein, could I pop a couple leucine pills to get up to 3 g and be okay?

[@BarbellMedicine]

You wouldn't need it in that meal.

[@mufinmakesmusic1210]

Could you go into detail about vegans that wanted to gain strength/muscle

[@DrengrMike]

Veganism is bad for your health and the environment. Too much death required for it to be ethical

[@mikeo.1963]

Should we supplement leucine and if so how and when should we.

[@BarbellMedicine]

Mike O. Nah

[@mikeo.1963]

Jordan Feigenbaum ty for the reply.

[@markdevereaux402]

Am I understanding this right?..... If I eat a few bites of chicken and then come back an hour and a half later and eat 8oz of chicken, only the first few bites from earlier get utilized during the muscle protein synthesis phase, and the 8 oz 1 1-2 hours later are essentially just calories not contributing to muscle restoration, repair, growth?

[@BarbellMedicine]

No, you misunderstand unless you ate half the chicken.

[@TheDuttzz]

Naked Pea protein powder label claims 2.7g of leucine per serving (2 scoops.) If correct lifters don't need to to slam dairy runoff for protein.

[@Creamy6oodness]

How much does it cost per serving?

[@dripshameless5605]

Honestly just a little bit of lentils or beans alone take my leucine content to 5g. I'm guessing the pea protein is expensive, it's best to just get it from the source (if price is the deciding factor)

[@karlosterlund9209]

Great lecture as always Jordan! As far as plant-based protein sources go; pea protein isolate seems to be the king, right? PDCAAS close to 0.9 and 8.4 grams of leucine per 100 grams. That means that a 35 gram serving of pea protein isolate gives almost 3 grams of leucine. Not bad eh? What's the caveat here?

[@karlosterlund9209]

Depends on where you get it I guess. Pea protein isolate is actually usually the same price (or even cheaper) than whey.

[@BarbellMedicine]

The Essential Amino Acid load is much lower and costs more. It's not healthier and not more sustainable either soooo, not sure there's a point

[@karlosterlund9209]

@phisher453 I just checked Myprotein but I think it's roughly the same everywhere.

[@BarbellMedicine]

I would use an egg or beef protein long before pea protein. If it's a lactose allergy, then it's a non issue.

[@karlosterlund9209]

@Jordan Feigenbaum Okay, thanks for the reply! Beef and egg proteins are very expensive tho (and most likely not very sustainable). Would you recommend pea over rice protein? I really don't see a big issue with pea protein considering the high PDCAAS and leucine content.

[@tr3quart1sta]

23:16 dat 3D delt

[@talhaoktem]

laughed so hard

[@CootersTowing1]

35:40 knowledge bomb here

[@dripshameless5605]

Lol I don't doubt Jordan because thankfully he's knowledgeable and actually supports evidence-based science which limits his bias (something extremely rare and especially in this field). But there's 5 different studies of groups of people with extremely high fiber intakes (I think one was of some Ethiopian people) who ate around 100g total of fiber, and had one of the lowest records of heart disease or diabetes. The study what's titled for fiber, I believe it was more about macros, but it was all written in there. It'd be cool to hear his thoughts on those.

[@Mary-hh8xj]

I understand that rice protein is less valuable, but what you you combine rice with pea for example? And what about soy?

[@BarbellMedicine]

Mary 888 why? It's just not any better than whey, is more expensive, etc

[@ExumTV]

Yeah, but what about lactose intolerant people? And the fact that the IGF-1 hormones that dairy has are linked to increased reproduction of hormone sensitive cancerous cells. nutritionfacts.org/topics/dairy/

[@BarbellMedicine]

There isn't lactose (or enough of it) in Whey to cause issues and people who consume more dairy have lower rates of cancer so.....

[@Mary-hh8xj]

Well, I am not saying that it is better, but I am eating vegan for mostly ethical reasons and am always using a combination protein of soy, pea and rice. It is not expensive. So it would be nice if you could look at it objectively and answer my question. If you combine these protein sources, do you get a good source of protein in regards to muscle building? The amino acid profile is complete after all.

[@BarbellMedicine]

Objectively, I wouldn't recommend any of them - especially from an ethical standpoint (e.g. how they're produced). I would just eat more whole foods.

[@poopie6205]

Was he ranting about luesine or lysine?

[@hungpham4615]

poopie6205 leucine

[@DrAdnan]

So I need to try and get explosive diarrhea every day to cut weight faster 🤔

[@ariyesh]

great content!!! thank you!!! Q: why say 3-5 hours for MPS? what is the meaning of the window ? is it possible that 3 is not enough of a break and 5 would be needed? or does something happen if more than 5 have gone by? or...?

[@oliverallen5324]

@10:20. You can't produce a Muscle Protein Synthesis response(spike)*.Your body needs time for the MPS to take place, downregulate, and then be spiked again which is where that old Broscience of eating every 3 hours unknowingly came from. You become more Insulin(GLUT4) resistant meaning your muscles don't absorb nutrients as well, and the nutrients you do absorb makes your muscle fattier. There's some data which he doesn't cite here, but it's easy to find.

[@skude3]

Sounds like i should consume whey with every meal lol

[@yaangreece]

lines of coconut oil hahahahaha

[@oliverallen5324]

There's no data that says that even in starvation situations that your body burns more muscle than fat or carbs. 3-5 hours doesn't work perfectly. I'm 200 lbs, if I'm eating 200-220g of protein, and each meal is 30g, that's 7 meals. Eating 7 times a day if I waited 3 hours between 30g boluses, that's 21 hours of feeding. That doesn't work. I think Rhonda Patrick cited that keeping your feeding hour about 9 hours gives you the majority of the benefits of fasting, and as you pointed out gives you 3 MPS spikes with the boost in HGH. Concerning High Carb, Low carb, look up Peter Attia's Generation U-Can presentation for endurance athletes. There are products that let you stay fueled without burning out your endocrine system. When you say that their cholesterol numbers are really bad, do you mean their ratios are bad? or their absolute values are bad? So much to unpack here. Greetings from Medical school!

[@iamzebra7025]

Ridiculous how this lecture goes to full stop once the meatheads start the neverending protein/leucine/BCAA ”conversation”…🤣

[@mikkotourunen]

So I can tell my wife that I don't have to eat all those god damn vegetables to lose weight.

[@IsItVeg]

You bring up veganism a lot in passing but never go into detail I want more info

[@mufinmakesmusic1210]

Me too

[@DrengrMike]

It's garbage... There's your info

[@VegetoStevieD]

Why is not cheap. Its price has doubled in the last 12-15 years. It was cheap.

[@BarbellMedicine]

It is a cheap source of protein comparatively. Barbell sports are incredibly cheap to participate in as well.

[@VegetoStevieD]

It's close to the price I pay for Tuna, but it's still double what it used to be, whereas my income is not. You're right that it is RELATIVELY cheap, when compared to other sources, but to me that's still not cheap : /

[@BlakeBernsteinFit]

As intelligent as ya like, the human pubmed

[@destro1989]

This was lacking some nuance.

[@nemanjamilovancevic7311]

Me: Jordan, tell me what is wrong with our society. Jordan: Scientists are cheap and professional athletes are expensive.

[@andrew5077]

Protein the most nuanced eh? Guess I'll be eating a 95% protein diet now. Gotta stay nuanced, right babe?

[@TheBaregel]

guys i will transfer to you 250 bucks if you invite vegan gains dude for live streaming debate.

[@Creamy6oodness]

I'd pay to see that

[@jamesparris4767]

Same

[@ErikvonStrongber]

there are many smart, strong vegans out there. Clarence Kennedy is one of them.

[@dripshameless5605]

Lol as a vegan, PLEASE no. He's literally the type of vegan I hate knowing is what people think of when they think of the community. Dude thinks WAY too highly of himself

[@chuck4096]

F.Bomb you are the man! However, when it comes to nutrition your just rambling on scientific data in which you have studied, which in some one by the eyes of Dr Michael Gregor you know near nothing in comparisons. I'd recommend you read his books and check out his website. Nutritionfacts.org

[@chuck4096]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/baOximqugN56ebM

[@pchuck1439]

Nine vegans thumbs down this video. LOL!