Barely 18 and Sentenced to Death | Law & Order

[@tiggynv214]

“At 18, nothing is certain” Wrong. Some things are certain, and one of those things is knowing for sure murder is ilegal

[@glass4600]

Maybe not fully understanding the ramifications of murder or even just the act of taking a life, but once you hit 10+ you should know some of the laws. Even if this is a show there are a lot of real world applications.

[@SY-ok2dq]

​@@glass4600 When I was a kid I read a lot of books, and all the newspapers that my father bought. So from before the age of 10, I was reading about crime, about murders and people going to prison. I think at 10, most children can definitely understand that killing someone is a crime and that you will be punished by the courts and go to prison. What children wouldn't know are all the intricate details, like the various charges - manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter etc. VS murder, accessory to a crime (both before and after the fact), aiding and abetting a crime etc. Obviously by nearly 18, teens would have a general understanding of a fairly wide range of crimes and illegal activities. And they know enough to try to conceal or cover up crimes. And the teens in this case knew they were committing a serious crime - and that's why the guy on trial insisted on killing the man because if he lived he could identify them. So he understood what the consequences would be. That said, people at 17, 18 are still in a malleable phase of their life. And he could change and become a law abiding person in 10, 15, 20 years' time.

[@michaelegan6037]

I started work 15 I was a man then I new right from wrong then

[@maxsch8454]

Every single sane person in the world knows murder is wrong wrong long before 18.

[@jordanwardle11]

Even a 5 year old knows that hurting people is wrong. So at 18, you should be knowing that murder is wrong also

[@schulteq]

The argument that he’s barely 18 is so stupid. When I was 18 I never once considered robbing then brutally murdering someone.

[@Aggression-hc3yp]

For some people, eighteen is the age where you’re no longer a child. For others, childhood ends the moment you know you’re going to die.

[@vladimirrashkovsky6274]

@@Aggression-hc3yp not really. I mean if you’re not white and 18 then you’re still a kid. Look at those four who kidnapped a mentally disabled white kid and beat him for days. They all got off and even if they killed him they wouldn’t have gotten the death penalty. Why? Because the reality is being non-Jewish white means to half the country that you don’t deserve racial equality. CRT literally outlines that specifically whiteness is the route of racism and that racism cannot exist without it. That’s the real problem. This story is absolute rubbish written by someone who openly advocated for the expelling of all Palestinians from Gaza. I’d take the writing with a grain of salt.

[@singhsingh99]

exactly!

[@bunkertons]

You might night have been that way, but that is probably down to circumstances.

[@yondabigman4668]

Fr, there is literally anything else to think of other than this at any age

[@cecejamesable]

Let's be honest if you can kill someone who never wronged you as they are vomiting from pain, begging and pleading for their life only to cruelly silence them. You don't deserve to be among the public.

[@foolslayer9416]

Life is too good for monsters like him.

[@avocadoaficiando]

You may not deserve to be among the public but being behind bars would solve that

[@DANTE-kg4zg]

that's the whole point of a life sentence

[@Alpharius-or-am-I-Omegon]

@@avocadoaficiandoExcept then everyone including the victims family is paying for the incarceration through taxes. Playing devils advocate, but also where are the rights of the victim

[@Deborahtunes]

​​@@Alpharius-or-am-I-Omegon ~ I agree. I am so tired of murderers being able to live, and take advantage of the system, while the victim's family suffer for the rest of their life. Not to mention, they could be released years/decades later. Look at the Manson murders. Leslie Van Houten, who helped kill Sharon Tate, convicted of 2 murders, was released in July of 2023. It's sickening...

[@gordonfurness6253]

The mother pleading for her son's life at the end is ironic. Her own son took a man's life; a man that had probably pleaded to be left alone and for his life.

[@foolslayer9416]

What about the store owner's family and friends?

[@DANTE-kg4zg]

Wouldn't you plead too, had it been your son on that stand, regardless of what he did?

[@Picassostrash]

I think parents who have murderous kids just feel bad for themselves and others. They’re pleading might be weird but (some) parents do feel bad about the murders, they’re love is just not being said correctly.

[@nothingruler14All]

Yeah I'm sure that was the point of that scene.

[@DANTE-kg4zg]

@@Picassostrash ofc they feel bad, but still, it’s normal for them to also feeling bad over ther child being put to death

[@MERLINnecrofan]

"Noooo please don't kill him!!" Was probably exactly what the parents of the deceased would've said given the opportunity.

[@arb9010]

how does that justify killing him?

[@mobulis]

@@arb9010He deprived the victim of his life so quid pro quo.

[@arb9010]

@@mobulis that's not what quid pro quo means. do you mean an eye for an eye? Which you would still misinterpret

[@RedtheCat2014]

​@@arb9010 I'm a bleeding heart-and proud of it! Only difference is that my heart bleeds for the innocent victim, not the killer who is only sorry he got caught. If this 18 year old white boy who looks like the boy next door,had killed a black man, I bet you would think differently

[@cameronmartin3616]

@@RedtheCat2014 might your heart bleed for the innocent mother and father of the perpetrator? Would the family of the victim really gain true comfort from another killing and the grief in another family? I don’t think the state cold bloodedly killing people is a good idea no matter the ethnicity of the victim.

[@PoisonedTongue]

I’m a very different person from who I was at 18 but something that’s remained the same is I know beating someone to death for funsies is fucking wrong

[@judaihyuga]

The fact that he assaulted this guy for no reason then killed him while he begged for his life is also a deeply concerning sign of the kind of adult he might become. A lot terrible people got away with hurting or murdering a lot of innocent people just trying to go about their lives because the people around them ignored the warning signs when they were young.

[@jldog134]

Im entirely different from when I was 18/19 years old as well but I knew as well not to kill someone for fun, I am 28 going to be 29 in a month I have a full time job 2 roommates and 4 dogs I don't have time for myself half the time.

[@danielsherriff390]

Although Nora did not want to pursue the death penalty against the kid, Jack and Angie told her that this was not an isolated incident. The kid was a psychopath, he had previously assaulted a classmate two months before his 16th birthday and left him blind in one eye and also killed the neighbor's cat. When Jack interrogated him at the trial, he called him out on saying he never meant for this to happen and essentially forced him to admit he always intended to kill the man.

[@colin8696908]

Still a pretty low bar to convinced the district attorney to go for the death penalty.

[@EvilLoynis]

​@@colin8696908 Honestly it's because this was literally a killing without any reason other than to get kicks or because he was bored. The only reason why they were hesitating is because of his age. That's it, no other reason.

[@walkinmyshoes1254]

@@EvilLoynis I guarantee they wouldn’t have cared so much about his age if he was a black gang banger.

[@queenesther09]

I feel for the mother, I really do, but I couldn't help thinking "What about the innocent man he ruthlessly murdered who pleaded for his own life?"

[@scillavanilla5356]

I want people to pay attention to this young man’s reaction. The mom is crying and n begging for his life and he’s just …standing there, pissed, not scared or sorry.

[@queenesther09]

@@scillavanilla5356 Not to mention he seems almost annoyed by his mother.

[@misterwhipple2870]

His mother never loved him. The Bible says that a parent that loves their child disciplines that child. No discipline, no love. She despised her own son.

[@foolslayer9416]

​@@misterwhipple2870 She enabled her son into becoming a monster.

[@wind1574]

@@misterwhipple2870 Who cares what some book says?

[@kayfabe8111]

Far too much compassion for the perp than the victim who was killed for literally no reason

[@NH-tb2sm]

They literally ordered food just so they can kill a guy.

[@NekoMMDGTS]

As human beings we are supposed to show everyone compassion. We're supposed to be better than these people, not stoop to their level.

[@MMuraseofSandvich]

Ensuring that the defendant's rights are protected from the abuses of the state is hardly "far too much compassion".

[@foolslayer9416]

Our compassion isn't immune to consequence. If a human can act like a monster and beat an innocent man to death, then its a life for a life.​@@NekoMMDGTS

[@NekoMMDGTS]

@@foolslayer9416 I just think that killing people to show that killing people is wrong is self-defeating. It's based on a need for revenge. I don't think anyone should have the power to remove people that are 'bad'.

[@nickpage4333]

Hes not a boy but a young man he knew what he was doing

[@detmstr341]

I agree. He just didn't care about the hurt he has caused everyone. Especially his own mother. Now, he has to answer for it.

[@christimanley13]

You're not a kid at 17 and then magically an adult because of a day on the calendar. Maturity is a spectrum; so is evil. But what is certain is that a civilized society cannot seek a permanent solution for a problem that time and experience might solve

[@Aggression-hc3yp]

If you kill because someone makes you kill, you’re not really a killer, just a manipulated pawn in a sick game. If you kill someone of your own volition, then you’re nothing more than a murderer and you’re bound for one of three fates: Jail, Hell, or a fate far worse.

[@tcdan-c2m]

How come you’re not allowed to rent a car until you’re 25 or drink until you’re 21? I’m not making any excuses, but worth thinking about.

[@actaemazantor9558]

The mom: "He'S a GoOd KiD!" Me: *"Boys, we have our killer."*

[@RJSAMCRO]

This is why the resignation of McKoy is sad, he has been the best D.A. in the L&O series.

[@WarGrowlmon18]

I know, but I think I read that it was Sam Waterson who decided that it was time to go. He's the longest-running character on the show and he's OLD now!!! I mean, McCoy literally has white hair!!! McCoy left the DA's office at some point, but he came back before Barba's murder trial.

[@ccvv1119]

Also the writing sucks I can see why he left

[@cards0486]

Sam’s last episode when Jack McCoy argued the case in court I wanted to punch Nolan Price, sitting in the spectators, in the shoulder. “Hey! Watch and learn.” Compared to McCoy he is so weak.

[@cards0486]

@@WarGrowlmon18420 episodes. Yes, I saw his TODAY SHOW interview. He said,”When I came back I knew I’d be leaving. I just had to decide when.” I’m thankful I have 4 cable channels that carry LAW & ORDER in different seasons. I liked Michael Moriarty’s Ben Stone too. But we only have 4 seasons of him. Sam was ADA Seasons 5-17. That’s a lot of court time.

[@sonrouge]

No one can do a job forever.

[@BigFella117]

One of my professors had a phrase for young killers like the kid in this episode, “if they’re old enough to commit the crime, they’re old enough to receive the punishment.”

[@carmelopappalardo8477]

If you can't do the time don't do the crime. Some Wise Sage probably.

[@Vmtdj6848]

@@carmelopappalardo8477that sounds very wrong

[@robertlevine2827]

Thank you. His attorney called him a "boy"; before the law, an 18-year-old is a man.

[@BigFella117]

@@robertlevine2827 absolutely. There’s a big difference between a “boy” and a “man”

[@carmelopappalardo8477]

@@Vmtdj6848 LOL I just realized I had it reversed.

[@thatonkgau5221]

Youth is not an excuse for crime being 18 isn't the same as being 12. He's not some naive child who doesn't no better he's a young man who's old enough to know the difference right and wrong. He knew what was he was doing he knew killing that homeless man was wrong and he did it.

[@jayt9608]

I knew what murder was and the consequences at 12, and even before that. There is an age where that argument is an excuse, but it passes by the time a child is approximately 7.

[@michalsoukup1021]

True, US system is kinda crazy, if you recall SVU had a case when they were forced into trying 7 yo kid for murder, but this case is reasonable.

[@OcarinaSapphr-]

He wasn't a better person 2 years after his first violent crime...

[@ultramariogod]

Judge him for who he is, forget about what he looks like, and remember what he did Actions have consequences, if you're able to commit murder, under these circumstances, you deserve to be punished

[@BIGBACK-1028]

Law & Order is so addicting

[@wendyhardin5259]

It is.

[@christopherkent8188]

They need to post more and longer videos!! I feel like we deserve that as loyal fans 😅

[@BIGBACK-1028]

@@christopherkent8188 I agree 👍

[@MisterHoodrich89]

addictive "addicting" is not a word

[@that.ll_do_pig]

​@@MisterHoodrich89language evolves. Whether some like it or not, it's in the dictionary now because it's a commonly used adjective.

[@lyndalamb3221]

After 25 years in jail, he would likely be an even worse person.

[@foolslayer9416]

Better to not even give him the chance. Mercy for the wicked is a gamble.

[@YinkoWuji]

Man, McCoy's scarier when he doesn't raise his voice.

[@detmstr341]

He could probably prosecute Friday the 13th for his murders, and get him on death row.

[@JustCallMeDija]

"Forget what he looks like and remember what he did," Powerful...

[@turtleboy991]

Loved that line

[@NH-tb2sm]

We need that in every courtroom.

[@CatzlovichCatnipAndCabbages]

"Nooo, that's racist!"- modern day liberals

[@andrewbrendan1579]

I think of the kids who dumped on mistreated me when I was that age and even older and of the total lack of regard for another human being. Did they change as they got older as the defense attorney suggested? Or did they just learn better how to conceal it?

[@shadowscall7758]

Some do change and some just conceal it better, its both. However, 18 is definitely old enough to know that murdering someone else is wrong.

[@ijustwantedtocommentbutnow526]

I find that many may regret it but choose not to apologize and live like nothing happened. They will never make an effort to help the victim heal and cannot replace the time they lost. They also will never sacrifice anything they believe is "theirs" and make excuses.

[@MiamiGameHunter]

His sentence would have been changed to life after NYC abolished the death penalty in 2004. And then he would have been put back in gen pop In July 2008, when Governor David Paterson issued an executive order requiring the disestablishment of death row and the closure of the state's execution chamber at Green Haven Correctional Facility.

[@draco84oz]

The episode was in season 11, which was 2000-2001. But also, didn't NY's last execution happen in 1963? I think it was temporarily reinstated in 1995, but no executions actually took place during that period - although a somewhat different episode of L&O surrounds an execution in season 6 (1996).

[@alarrim29574]

And then prolly released for no good reason in like 2020

[@underarmbowlingincidentof1981]

@@alarrim29574 yeah ha! they always release those who they know will come back. that's how the US prison system works. Keeps the prisons fuller than in the 90s even when the crime rate is not even a third of what it was back then. I guess that's what happens when a nation sees prisons as an industry instead of a sad necessity. and with the huge police budget any attempts to reform the prison system would lead to them losing budget which means it will never ever happen.

[@michaelhogg324]

@@draco84oz Thanks and I'm trying to remember was that execution supposed to take place on SVU which didn't go through cause Stabler attacked the inmate?

[@draco84oz]

@@michaelhogg324No, it was a main series episode of L&O - s6e23. A somewhat different episode, and also the final appearance of ADA Claire Kincaid (she was killed at the end of the episode)

[@Igarappappa]

I do feel bad for his mom. It's clear she loved her son and tried to raise him right but her son was still a monster. It's hard to process he's not just a murderer but he's gonna be executed. No pity for him of course.

[@NH-tb2sm]

The sad, sick thing is that this really did happen in NY.

[@mikhalaa746]

The AGE is irrelevant when you commit a heinous crime. I seriously hate when they use that as an excuse.🙄

[@CarrionCrow993]

I think its natural that it makes one hesitate, but that they were ultimately right for following the sanctions imposed by law. (I'm english and anti-death penalty, but that's a different argument).

[@ChristinasCure]

It should be irrelevant. The predator who SA’d me was 17. I was 20. I was told I couldn’t press charges because he was a minor, and I “should’ve been able to protect myself” despite him being twice my size in height and weight.

[@brutustantheiii8477]

@@ChristinasCure I’m sorry that happened. If I may ask, What was the jurisdiction that this travesty was allowed to be excused with such a ridiculous reason?

[@ChristinasCure]

@@brutustantheiii8477 It was at a community college where I had been attending for my undergraduate.

[@matthewvoss7365]

He's 18 and when you're 18 you get lots of legal adult rights. They can seek the DP at 18, 18 is the age that kills the juvenile later and forever destroys parental authority.

[@Deborahtunes]

Jack McCoy and Abby Carmichael were my favorite DA duo in the original L&O series. This episode is one of my favorites. An extremely sad one. I felt sorry for the Asian man's family. Having to sit through the gruesome details of his murder. If someone is already killing at such a young age, its almost impossible for them change later on. The more you let them get away with now, the more serious crimes they'll commit down the line...

[@ZaakelJackson-xr5nv]

Noo Claire Kincaid and Jack McCoy was the best duo or maybe Jamie Ross

[@Deborahtunes]

@@ZaakelJackson-xr5nv ~ Not to me. I didn't like Jamie Ross much. Claire Kincaid was ok. But I felt they didn't use her skills enough. She seemed more like a "pretty prop", then an attorney...

[@Deborahtunes]

@@ZaakelJackson-xr5nv ~ Not to me. I didn't like Jamie Ross much. Claire Kincaid was ok. But I felt they didn't use her skills enough. She seemed more like a "pretty prop", then an attorney...

[@mikebasil4832]

One of the most thought-compelling Law & Order episodes of all time. 💔

[@aaric1703]

I am astonished at any compassion for the character Mitch Reagan. Reagan was an amoral, heinous, predator devoid of humanity.

[@walkinmyshoes1254]

It’s because he’s white. They wouldn’t care about his age if it was a black boy.

[@FortunateJuice]

I would be immediately biased as a juror as soon as I saw the bolo tie defense counsel was wearing.

[@mikekling7144]

I knew the death penalty was abolished in New York from watching this show.

[@kabirsardana1282]

well nowadays, you dont even get arrested for criminal activities. people are professional shop lifters and get arrested and then let go. thats New York for you. just a few days ago, a bodega clerk was assaulted by a dude and he stabbed the guy in self defence. the DA charged him with second degree murder. just blew my mind.

[@LyonHall1]

@@kabirsardana1282that seems to be the judicial system in alot of places.

[@jaxcoss5790]

​@@kabirsardana1282It's not just NY.

[@CookedOnions]

@@kabirsardana1282Canadas justice system is the same way. Defend yourself? You are the criminal.

[@saiyanscaris6530]

@@kabirsardana1282 welcome to the us where if you have money you can do anything

[@michaelbell8834]

He made his bed. Now he gets to lay in it.

[@geoffwilliams4478]

6 feet under.

[@theprofessional155]

That was the calmest oh my god I ever heard

[@omnielectron9616]

The only person i feel deeply sorry for is the mother. As we say in Greece, that boy made his bed, now he can sleep on it.

[@charlespatrickwade3340]

That's not just a saying in Greece, we have it here in England to. I think every country and language has something like it. It's a shame that the world seems to be forgetting that actions have consequences.

[@ALevine1234]

Yeah, but I feel more sorry for the mother and family of the dead guy.

[@queenesther09]

Agreed. He was given a second chance the first time he broke the law and he threw it away to commit a far more heinous crime.

[@thomashninan6708]

He is not a boy

[@omnielectron9616]

@@ALevine1234I should've mentioned also the poor guy and his grieving family!

[@ExplorerDS6789]

I feel sorry for that homeless guy toward the beginning. Anyone know who plays him? I don't see him in the cast list on IMDb.

[@NoahM.Angell-sd4ez]

This video is a masterpiece. It should be in an art gallery!

[@CupidRuben]

0:14 that “oh my god” took me ooout 😭

[@MisatoBestWoman]

5:12 the mom in Edward Scissorhands!

[@HYDEinallcaps]

I had to remind myself that Edward Watermelonhands was a parody of Edward Scissorshands, and that your comment wasn't a reference.

[@jaxcoss5790]

​@@HYDEinallcaps😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@angryoldman9140]

God I knew I knew her face somewhere! The soft spoken Avon lady !

[@oneleafaday348]

Dianne Weist. Also the mom in Footloose and many other movies/shows

[@ReelSchool]

Academy Award winner Diane Wiest…

[@garthrogers2269]

"He's young, he has whole life ahead of him. It would be such a waste of his potential." - Words uttered by every single judge around the world who has allowed a brutal criminal to either walk free, or sentence so light as to be a joke. The fact that they destroyed the lives of their victims is not considered by these judges.

[@andyh4518]

Isn't the alternative to the death penalty (i.e. life in prison without the possibility of parole) even worse?

[@crazyunclecrispy6140]

their basically the same. it generally takes DECADES to execute someone on death row. many dont even get executed because they die in prison.

[@WarGrowlmon18]

@@crazyunclecrispy6140At the end of the episode the DAs said that even with appeals, he would probably be executed before he turned 21.

[@eangelful]

That’s debatable to a lot of different people.

[@crazyunclecrispy6140]

@@WarGrowlmon18 thats not how it works in reality except in very rare cases.

[@Deborahtunes]

​@@WarGrowlmon18~ Murderers get numerous appeals, which take years, even decades in some cases. And some are even released. Florida finally executed a serial killer in 2019 (Bobby Joe Long), who committed his crimes in 1984. It's ridiculous...

[@Fooggs]

The series "Law & Order" is set in New York, where no murderer has been executed since 1963.

[@imfreeze95]

this mother gets to feel the same pain of losing a loved one as that family does. Justice is balance.

[@anthonyiuculano6002]

That's but one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it is that yet another mother had to lose her child through no fault of her own.

[@dianagoenaga7263]

​@@anthonyiuculano6002 If you watched the episode, it kind of is her fault. She absolutely refused to discipline him, not to mention she constantly enabled him.

[@CandiceGoddard]

Is it the same pain though? The victim was apparently innocent. In comparison the mother of this boy raised a killer and seems quite selfish and insane. If her son is a good kid, what is a bad kid? Her grief would be based on narcissism. Not that the boy is dead but that her son was killed. There's a difference.

[@CandiceGoddard]

​@@dianagoenaga7263It's not kind of any parents fault. It absolutely is their fault. People are too willing to let parents get away with bad parenting. Even these people who blames games or the television. The only thing that isn't a parent's fault is when an outsider abuses the child and the parent had no way to know or suspect.

[@MrUndersolo]

Age does not matter. We all make choices, and that kid will turn into something worse.

[@adamprater6216]

To bad nyc doesn’t have good DA and prosecutors like this.

[@wanderer3004]

Life in prison without the possibility of parol is fair. It's a life for a life in an environment surrounded by lifelong predators and sadists. The death penalty is state sponsored murder. And if you believe that life just ends, then you just took out however many years for the person to actually suffer for it. It's curious how many people believe that two wrongs make a right and often time sited by a 2,000 year old book or money.

[@wanderer3004]

That is just tragic.

[@kabirsardana1282]

and eye for an eye. dude killed a guy for nothing. why is the mother crying about his murderer son getting the needle.

[@bennywark3103]

Because he's her son. Every parent would cry for their kid, even if they are getting what they deserve. Going "What did I do wrong!!!"

[@brookelynnwu8016]

Bc he’s a young white kid w so much potential! Literally had a white teen m-rd3r another kid in cold blood, and he was given probation in Illinois. Guess what colour the victim was? Not white.

[@aspenrebel]

Wait .... we have a statement from his mother...... "He's a good boy, a very good boy".

[@jackb3quick]

Um... you do realize the full saying is "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" right? Like the whole point of the saying is to NOT take an eye for an eye.

[@OneWeirdDude]

@@jackb3quickTrue, but the idea behind the death penalty is not revenge.

[@CausticCassie]

You take a life you forfeit your own

[@partyguy101ify]

Good one. Remember that when the state accuses you of a murder you didn't commit. I'm sure the jury will believe you when you say you're innocent despite the evidence.

[@PinkGhosty3236]

​@@partyguy101ifyYeah the thing is we're talking about the murder where the convicted actually did it. I think you're more so pointing out the flaws of the justice system then whatever point you wanted about the death penalty

[@trevsla7852]

Homeboy looks 30 😂

[@lucyhardman2267]

Every time they talk about how young he is I can't take it seriously. 🤣🤣🤣

[@thomashninan6708]

@@lucyhardman2267 Or a kid that too

[@amitkenan3878]

They cannot take minors for full-time work

[@peachbunnys01]

The old homeless man in the beginning just made me sad :( man’s already struggling and kids bullying him

[@aspenrebel]

Also, what they don't tell you is the guy was probably locked up in jail without bail for 1 1/2 - 2 years before the trial even began. So then he was like 20 years old.

[@bull705]

Not really. L&O actually had a faster procedure than real life prosecution.

[@MsJubjubbird]

they care about how old you are when they commit the crime.

[@aspenrebel]

@@MsJubjubbird I was talking in regards to the TV show episode. They make it appear as though the trial started 1 week later. That he is 17 years old sitting at the defense table during the trial.

[@MsJubjubbird]

@@aspenrebel yeah court timetables on TV are always very um swift to suit the continuity of the series. This trial would take about three years.

[@yasminmaxmath3731]

They heard someone making retching sounds and the first thought come across his mind is to finish him off and defender went to use 'hes just a kid' and talking about a better person. Kid doesnt kill ppl. Yes kid doesnt know any better but you KNOW to not beat ppl to death bcs you scared to go to jail. That lawyer disgust me.

[@zackq8865]

What I love about those crime shows is that they are much more realistic than movies where a person that is the first one to come across a dead body is automatically guilty by the eyes of movie law. Like "the fugitive" and "the negotiator" for example.

[@samwise0097]

I'd never understand how killing someone without any enmity, and then expecting a free pass is okay.

[@Teddybizz]

They sentenced a 14 year old black kid to death for doing a wrestling move that accidentally killed his friend….. I wonder did they argue that decision as long as they did this one

[@WarGrowlmon18]

The DA was against the death penalty, that's a big part of why she argued it so much and why she didn't run for reelection after this season.

[@MrBmick79]

he got the death penalty for that?

[@officerweeb]

What case was this? Can you link a news article?

[@mastershake7743]

Always about race 🤡

[@Dr_OneWing]

My guy this isn’t a real case. These aren’t real lawyers/judges. Go outside.

[@maryharvey6909]

I always wonder ,the mother, her age is probably 40+. If they give murderers and violent offenders 25 years, that will put her at age 65 when her child gets out. Then I guess she or someone in the family is supposed to take these psycho killers in. It’s better for everybody if they just get the death penalty. Do you want your grand children living next-door to these people when they get out? Do you want to see your brother-in-law at Thanksgiving when he gets out from smashing someone’s head in? Do you want him to play football in the yard with your kids?

[@powerboon2k]

Interesting.

[@HexVisualNovelPlaythroughs]

she says don''t kill him but what bout the dead guys family? should the son not pay for the life he took or rather let him get away with murder

[@susivarga7303]

Never met a mother in your life, huh? Where did she say he should get away with it? What about, what about, yawn.

[@kumpircan]

She didnt kill the Man. Hanging her son will also punish her. He needs to live in a small cell until the end of his life

[@ebayrose]

This would ring more climatic if I didn't know that his death penalty would be years out if it ever actually happened. It's uncommon for death penalty to be enacted quickly even in serial killer cases where they gleefully admitted their guilt and show no remorse. Kid would likely turn 30 before it progressed to proper death row with a marked execution date, if appeals don't overturn it before it gets to that point.

[@dermothoran1814]

Another great clip from an excellent episode. It raises huge ethical issues, about a very real debate. Can the death penalty ever be justified? Some people at 18 are adults, others are still irresponsible, unpredictable teenagers. 🤔✌️

[@t-rexcellentreviews1663]

Like it or not, yes, sometimes, the death penalty is a fully justified punishment, as McCoy himself once said, people are frustrated by the uncertainty of the system, they want to know that people like Charles Manson, Teddy Bundy and even this eighteen year old psychopath will never be walking the streets again and that the people who admire them for their heinous actions will at the very least be forced to think twice before they decide to follow in their footsteps.

[@kialuvsyoo]

He didn't do this because he's an irresponsible, unpredictable teenager. He did this because he's a murderer. Why set the legal age to 18 if we're just going to make excuses not to uphold it? He's an adult, and he made an adult decision to murder someone.

[@OneWeirdDude]

Unpredictable? You mean like, they might do it again?

[@MsJubjubbird]

@@kialuvsyoo biologically you're not an adult until your 18. Until then, reasoning and impulse control is not fully developed. It's not an excuse but it means that such a final punishment is unjustified, when there is chance of rehabilitation. The US is the country that says you can't drink until 21, but we can execute you at 18 because you haven't yet developed impulse control but has such a high violent crime rate.

[@masterlindon6568]

This show was just something else . I keep watching and watching over and over again

[@melanietanner5165]

1:18 That poor man :(

[@hazeleyees]

It would have been cool to be an extra back in the day just to say Ohh My God 😂❤

[@dostagirl9551]

I wish our own judicial system in real life was so thoughtful in applying the law. These days it’s pick and choose as to who or what you want to prosecute and too much substation of personal beliefs versus interpretation of what’s on the books.

[@jeremyblackmouth3323]

This is one of situations where the answer is clear, what the punishment should be for the crime, but it gets muddled needlessly under personal beliefs. Only if the death was the result of an accident would make such questions about the application of the punishment have merit

[@detmstr341]

Mother- NO! PLEASE, DON'T KILL HIM! Me- Betsy, you son h attacked and killed a man who was working and providing for his family. A man who was probably pleading for his life too, and, your monstrous son still showed no mercy.

[@dwjkerr]

She probably knows that but can a mother's love for child be turned off like a room light?

[@detmstr341]

@@dwjkerr I saw an episode of Evil Lives here where a father asked the judge to impose the death penalty for his son. Check out the episode "My Son should Die in Prison."

[@susancampbell4062]

"Hello, Mrs. Reagan. How is your son doing?" "Oh, he's on death row. I'm hoping that he never makes such a silly mistake again."

[@itsyoboyconnor7135]

03:34 it's Dipper Pines

[@alexd4310]

What?

[@jorgeeduardoochoamojica8469]

​@@alexd4310à voice actor of a cartoon character

[@CartoonEric]

​@@alexd4310 Jason Ritter.

[@kimberlybellard6972]

That’s John Ritter’s son

[@LordRumshi]

The overall viewpoint of the death penalty was very evident with this case, the moment Jack mentions submitting motion for the death penalty on the defendant Nora was immediately against it. Given she was clearly against the death penalty and the fact that the defendant just turned 18, which legally made him an adult. Abby had no issue with the motion as “someone who committed an act like that doesn’t deserve to live” whilst Nora delayed her decision as the District Attorney to announce the motion for the death penalty.

[@asahel980]

I remember this episode because its like the other episode where the victim was delivering food and the perps are just kids and the other one is curious how it feels to have killed someone. and The DA is angry at Mccoy for pursuing the death penalty and she turn off the office light while Mccoy was still in the room alone.

[@janetovens756]

Lets also be honest that in the real world this would be a big watch tv trial and they would end up reducing the sentence to life without parole

[@RedtheCat2014]

No way- the kid's white. If they cut him some slack in this day and age,vthey'd end up with peaceful protests

[@louisefarrar6037]

The meeting to decide if they go for death penalty is one of the most powerful scenes in whole franchise for me. Most of the discussion revolves around the sympathy for, as Jack says, ‘boy next door’ - white, middle/working class and male - rather than the actual substance of his crime, which they need to be steered towards. Shows starkly how justice in US (and UK tbf) is decided.

[@walkinmyshoes1254]

Spot on.

[@kimmccabe1422]

Every action has a reaction and every choice has consequences. This is life and, death.

[@darkmask5933]

Realistically speaking they would immediately appeal the decision, and it would be years, maybe decades, before the kid ever saw the inside of an execution chamber. I know its a story but don't think even in-story this meant the kid would be put to death immediately after the trial.

[@NicholeDaysleeper]

If this was real and based in NY, his death penalty would have been overturned into life since New York overturned the death penalty in 2004. And it may not even be life anymore.

[@shadowtheimpure]

No, murder in the 1st commands life without parole as the sentence.

[@spiderslayer3640]

8:21 Wow, the mom sounds SO authentic. XD

[@benjigray8690]

We've all met them, folks with a heart the size of a split pea. Nothing is beyond them, they don't think the same way as most folks do. You don't have to be clairvoyant to know that they are gunna be big trouble.

[@cobaltriser1540]

i don't know about anyone else but in this case I don't feel bad for him because he's just and 18 year old boy I'm scared because he's just an 18 year old boy and he could've been given a chance to change but if he doesn't want to he won't. We only see him want to avoid the consequences and showed no remorse or emotion for the heinous killing he committed so if he's given the chance to change under those circumstances it's reasonable to believe he will only go on to commit more terrible acts and crimes

[@JohnathanHouston-uq6hy]

He seriously beaten and killed innocent man because he just 18 supposedly still too young to understand his action's but being 18 makes him legally responsible his action's he orchestrator robbery and murder of delivery man his mother crying because he has been sentence to death

[@AustinB96]

Solid death penalty case

[@tahnalos3677]

A deleted scene had the victim's niece representing the family saying that they wanted the death penalty on the table. This was supposed to add another layer to the case of the victims commonly demanding justice.

[@Brian-uy2tj]

The jury isn't there to judge who he'll be in 25 years, they are there to judge him based on who he is right now and what he did, now, in the present.

[@Freddie-x4s]

He committed the crime so he suffers the consequences

[@tombo1984]

We have an argument over here in the UK about a young Islamist girl who went out to support ISIS. At the time she was 15, she is now 24 years old. She went out to Syria and allowed herself to become a baby making machine for ISIS members. She is accused of strapping suicide vests to children. She is accused of murder. She also witnessed executions in the most horrendous way. Burnings alive and beheadings. She got off on watching videos featuring these atrocities before she left the UK. Her citizenship has been revoked and she has been condemned entirely.

[@ajvanmarle]

Bunch of whiners. New York never executes anyone. The kid basically got life in jail.

[@prescott0913]

Alex Feldman, the guy that played Mitch, was an acting instructor of mine 😊. It’s always so cool running into him on my cop drama binges. This is like my third time. 😅

[@rosepitt]

Mama's screaming however, she should have done a better job of raising that demon instead of making excuses for his prior criminal behavior!

[@christopherdean1326]

Maybe it's different in the US from what it is in the UK, but how does the jury decide the sentence? Over here, the jury only decides guilt or innocence, the sentence is for the judge to decide.

[@Jack_Ss]

The prosecutors decide which crimes they are charging him with and their sentences. The defense then defends against those charges. It then goes to the jury who decide which charges and sentences are appropriate. The jury decides and the Judge confirms it and hands down the sentence. I think if there are variables the Judge makes the decision. Say the charge is guilty of Murder 1 which is 25 to life. The Judge then decides how long his sentence is. Here’s a quick example. A man is breaking into a warehouse late at night. He scares the security guard who has a heart attack and dies. The prosecution charges him with 1 count of breaking and entering and Manslaughter. This goes to the Jury who decides that he is not guilty of manslaughter, but he is guilty of breaking and entering. Then he’s sentenced to whatever the punishment for breaking and entering is. There are very rare cases where a Judge can overturn the Jury’s decision. But that doesn’t happen much. It’s hard for that to stick when it gets appealed and scrutinized to see if the judges overturn should stay

[@academision]

I love how all of the lawyers seem to be struggling with this obviously correct decision. 😂

[@susivarga7303]

That's why they are lawyers and not yt commenters.

[@sarcasticguy4311]

@@susivarga7303 They're actors.

[@Hatecrewdethrol]

"We all make mistakes at 18" yea but for most of us it's getting too stoned and burning a pizza in the oven because you forgot about it

[@octo20]

1:51 I love Briscoe, he always finds a clue in the most minute detail.

[@markrobinson9394]

“Mitch, I know you weren’t the one who got Penny in trouble. When I’m wrong, I say I’m wrong.” Sorry, couldn’t help myself. 😂

[@RavynArcadia]

"Barely 18" So what? He's old enough to know better.

[@irondragonmaiden]

Sir, being uncertain and changing your opinion about what your future job might be like as a teen is normal. Killing someone for funsies? Is not.

[@RogerKnull-d8n]

Just a little over 100 years ago, 'children' guilty of heinous crimes were executed at the same rate as 'adults'.

[@kevdoom2]

I remember seeing the last few moments of this episode when I was a kid vividly. I walked into my grandmother's living room while she was doing her magazine shopping she always did, and just as I walked in, they gave him the sentence. I remember that moment was the exact second I decided I was against the death penalty and have spent a chunk of my career arguing against it. Funny what a tv show can make you realize about your intuitions.

[@MADHAUSMARKALLAN]

being 18 30 years ago is is very different than being 18 years old today

[@KaiserFaust]

“He’s 18, he’s got so much potential!” Yeah…so did the person he brutally murdered. Short drop and a sudden stop it is.

[@ReviewForReel]

Fun fact, between 1995 when Governor Pataki reinstated the death penalty in New York, and 2004 when the Court of Appeals struck it down in the case of People v. LaValle, not a single person was executed

[@mattryan7124]

The mom at the end is one thing. And then you just picture the family member of the victim saying the exact. same. thing.

[@chriskirk-o4h]

The irony is that while good boys and girls eat their vegetables, Briscoe finding a snow pea in the car is far more damning to her son than him finding any drugs.

[@SakuraGurl808]

There’s a lot that comes with the age of 18. At 18, you can have a full license, a job, you can vote, own property, marry, and at one point be old enough to smoke. We were told that these privileges were accessible to us at 18 by law, but there also comes great responsibility and restraint when becoming an “adult.” I was taught about legal misdeeds, violence, and the consequences when I was in middle school, and while my state has never exercised capital punishment in its history as a state of the United States, it doesn’t mean the consequences and punishments for violence and murder are any more lenient than a state that does exercise it. The bottom line is, while we aren’t taught about the law text for text, we’re still taught what is right from wrong and how we’re expected to act as citizens by the time we’re legal adults, and that we have to face the consequences of our actions with out lives. So I cannot blame a state’s legal system if they ruled the death sentence on an 18 year old, esp. if that 18 year old showed no remorse for his actions.

[@SakuraGurl808]

My final words of solace, may the Lord have mercy upon their souls.

[@captain_hat6247]

8:22 I know she’s supposed to be upset, but her performance is very goofy. It’s like she’s secretly happy and doing a bad job at hiding it.

[@cashewnuttel9054]

I actually laughed at her performance.