"Bargaining, Part 1" (6x1) | Buffy the Vampire Slayer *Reaction*

[@reyr6868]

The one thing to remember too is that the slayer line goes through faith now, when buffy died the first time kendra was awakened, and then when Kendra died faith was chosen

[@charmingjinx9379]

That's right. No new slayers because, technically, Buffy isn't "The" Slayer anymore. Faith is.

[@atheobald79]

How is Buffy going to brought back into the show?….Bambi 😭

[@MrDWinter]

This, 100000%. I know she’s done some really bad stuff, and she’s in prison for it, but Faith is not just *a* Slayer, but *the* Slayer.

[@badmannnnnn]

Hey Cass, remember the Nightmare episode in season 1? Remember that it was Buffy's biggest fear to be buried alive and having to climb out of her grave 🙃?

[@bugsby4663]

This is also a genuine fear of SMG.

[@Paul-ql3qw]

Dawn lying next to Buffybot always breaks my heart.

[@BrightNeonBrilliancy]

saaaaame. Like, this must have been so horrible for her, to pretend to her friends and everyone outside of the scoobies like she's literally not mourning the death of her sister, right on the heels of her mother. And having to see someone parade around pretending to be Buffy all day too, it would have been difficult.

[@alanmackie6180]

Earlier on, it looked like she was unhappy about having to see her sister's face all the time, reminding her that Buffy was dead but it turns out Buffybot was a comforting presence. Probably not that healthy in the long run.

[@LeeCarlson]

Spike promised Buffy he would protect Dawn, and he is a man of his word.

[@vannthybun2546]

Loved the small detail of Willow wearing white when sacrificing the baby deer and then red afterwards, it stained her

[@RecoveringChristian]

18:11 and that's buffy's soul flying back into her body. Sfx did a good job.

[@faithdrouillard3958]

"Aww its bambi!" not me bracing myself for murder LMAO

[@disneytoysr4fun975]

The way her face went😳 Cracked me tf up lmao

[@itsreeeshaaa7560]

My favorite part of the episode is Spike keeping his promise to Buffy to protect Dawn. His reaction to Buffybot fawning over him and his uncomfortable reaction is so heartbreaking to watch.

[@Nicamon]

This is 1 of the things I *don't* like. Spike is souless. Keeping this kind of promise even after he can't gain anything from it it's 100% a human behavior.

[@eduardofilippi7698]

Cass is right. The chip mixes things with Spike. There's a new thing pulling strings inside this guy.

[@Nicamon]

@@eduardofilippi7698 The chip is like a muzzle. If you put a muzzle on a rabid dog,you'll prevent him from biting,not from being aggressive.Spike is not behaving like a muzzled vampire:he's behaving like a human.

[@eduardofilippi7698]

@Nicamon So the chip isn't like a muzzle. Spike is Spike. Like many great characters, nobody will 100% figure out what really pulled his strings.

[@Nicamon]

@@eduardofilippi7698 I know what pulls Spike's strings:fanboys and plot armor.😓

[@MsKimifer]

Vampires can absolutely feel love. That was confirmed in season 2 when Spike and Dru brought The Judge to life. First words out of the Judge's mouth was to say he was put off by the love he could feel between them. "These two reek of humanity".

[@mylvem7270]

Yes, vampires can have humanity if they were highly empathetic in human life. Which means Spike was an empath while he was alive so after death he retained a bit of that humanity as opposed to Angel who had no empathy as human so as a vampire he had no humanity. That is what made Angelus so evil.

[@Nicamon]

One thing is having some humanity,another is being _indistinguishable_ from a human except for the fangs.

[@vlad5042]

i think the show gives some really mixed messages about "vampire humanity" in the first couple of seasons that make it sort of confusing. they have buffy say those lines about how when a human becomes a vampire they die and a demon pilots around their body basically but that doesn't seem to actually be true. its possible buffy is just wrong or has learned propaganda from the watcher council, which is actually a really interesting idea but it doesnt get explored in detail so a lot of viewers just take buffy's word that that's the vampire lore for this series and then get confused by the really emotional vampires who still have a lot of ties to their human past.

[@Nicamon]

@@vlad5042 Exactly. The problem is the show doesn't _explore_ that aspect. They just keep changing the way vampires behave and expect you to accept them all without questions,even when they contradict each other. That's what I call"a plot hole".

[@arc7375]

All vampires retain echoes of their humanity. Which is why The Judge was able to sense it in Spike, Dru and the Scholar. The vampire persona is largely based on the human it originally was - a template. Angelus is unique amount vampires in that he has no humanity whatsoever. He is the vampire equivalent of a genuine psychopath. Even The Master called him the most vicious creature he’d ever met. With regards to love, vampire cannot truly love. They can only approximate it. For example, Spike isn’t capable of loving Dru or Buffy because he has no soul. He can only approximate love, through his desire to possess, f*ck and general obsession. Angel confirms that vampires are unable to love, as humans would understand.

[@ernesthakey3396]

S5E22: on the scaffolding, the demon with the long tongue asks Spike why he is doing what he's doing, and Spike's answer was "I made a promise to a lady" - yep, he's still doing his best to keep that promise, as strange as that may be. Spike is definitely an anomaly.

[@bryanstaebell6397]

Giles girlfriend left him after Hush. They have a conversation about how scary his life is when she experiences it…and there’s a subtle moment where he knows it’s over. Then he dreams about her in Restless crying over a tipped over baby carriage to symbolize a life he couldn’t have because of his mission. Symbolization he doesn’t put together because he’s too consumed by his mission in the dream.

[@Mrs.Watcher]

I submit that all the dreams the Scoobies had as a result of the spell were, at least in part, "prophetic", as they are Slayer dreams. *Spoiler* as an example. The baby carriage could very well be literal. Giles may have a child he never finds out about. Or his ex had a miscarriage he never learns about.

[@natbatlightwood5288]

​@@Mrs.Watcher honestly i never even thought about the dreams being Prophetic because of the Slayer. Like i obviously know the dreams predicted the future of the show. But never thought to connect them to Slayer Prophetic dreams...which given the First Slayer is heavily involved in that episode probably makes me a bit dumb. 😅😅😅 But i agree the dreams could be taken literally. I remember reading once that apparently they were planning for Jenny to appear in the dreams but obviously Robia didn't want to return due to her religious beliefs. Which is very sad to be honest, like i'm happy her beliefs brought her peace, but it's sad that it prevented her from potentially returning again because Jenny was so important in the first two Seasons and after Season 3 she's basically forgotten.

[@emme2141]

I think she stays with him a bit longer, cos when Buffy is in Faith’s body in the body swap episode, when she tries to prove who she is to Giles she says something like “You have a long-distance girlfriend named Olivia”. I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure that’s what she says.

[@kojiromusashi13]

Welcome back, Buffy! This series just gets better with every episode. And now the stage is set (pun intended) for two of my favourite episodes in the entire series!

[@nedzed3663]

I remember when the show was airing, being hesitant to watch season 6 after the finale of the previous season. I had played a Playstation game sequel at that time where in the previous a beloved character was killed off and then miraculously resurrected in this sequel and it was just "well hey look they're alive again" with no real explanation or a weak explanation. I knew a resurrection from the dead would have to happen to restore the show back to the status quo, so to speak, but I will say this season became one of my all-time favorites for a reason BECAUSE of how Buffy's return was handled. It turned out to be a pleasant, if a bit depressing surprise

[@AnatoleVGC]

Most shows treat ressurection soooo badly. The consequences here are SO good

[@The-Underbaker]

"Oh cute, it's Bambi... urgh, what the fuck, Willow?!" lol

[@derekkannemeyer2375]

About Amber Benson not being in the opening credits-which we all kept waiting for. Amber has said that it was her choice not to be (yet); she didn't want to commit to that kind of all-in contract, which as I understand it she had been offered. Just saying, b/c the showrunners get too much shade for it.

[@charmedoriginal5923]

And SE6 begins !!! Merry Christmas Season, Cass.

[@argentokaos2629]

Hot take: This is actually the *best season.*

[@natbatlightwood5288]

Agreed. Probably a personal bias on my part as it was 'that' episode that convinced me to watch the show back in 2012. (I'm trying to be vague about which episode to avoid spoiling it for Cas, but hopefully you know which episode i mean.) This Season also helped me realise i had Depression too, so while it is a dark Season and some elements of it are really hard to watch, this Season also kind of helped me in real life too. So very personal bias for me on this Season. Honestly i alternate between Season 6 and 5 being my favourite, but Season 6 has that one episode that always helps inch it ahead.

[@argentokaos2629]

@@natbatlightwood5288 I have a feeling I do know which episode you mean. :) They're all great (seasons and episodes), but yes, I think S6 hits the hardest, cuts the deepest, and takes the biggest chances. In order for all that to be accomplished, well yeah, it's a lot to take at times, but it's necessary for the arc of the characters and the whole arc of the story. (On the more personal side--- I already knew I had some depression to deal with. This season of this series helped me learn more about having an addictive personality, where it comes from, and what kind of mistakes I was making in working to get past it...)

[@BlueZeroZeroOne]

My favorite detail is that at 18:11 when the red disappears from Willow's spell, you can see Buffy's soul (a blue swish) pass by just afterwards.

[@SpontaneousAndStructured]

Some people don’t care for season 6. It’s my favorite.

[@MG-bf1zi]

I love how Spike goes from wanting the buffybot to not even being able to look at it.

[@vera.visceral]

(sorry for my english, not my first language) in season 4 there is a class where Walsh talks about empathy (i don’t remember the exact words), there are three concepts written on the board. first one is the normal empathy which is when you literally can feel what other person is feeling, THAT is what Spike does not have. The next concept is cognitive empathy which is doing the rational reasoning behind why someone would feel something, THAT is what Spike learns with the chip, he was always very good at reading people, with the chip he learned to use that ability not just to understand people’s feelings (in a rational way) but to empathize (at least with buffy). third concept is compassion, the mix of both types of empathy. I believe soulless creatures don’t ever experience normal empathy just like people with various mental disorders, like antisocial or narcissistic. Tho just like those people soulless creatures are able to learn cognitive empathy. and overall I think this growth of his is motivated by his obsession and love for buffy. It is selfish anyways, he is acting because of his guilt, to feel better about himself, that is the main reason for his actions, he is not doing it to be good 🤷🏻‍♀️ just like Tara said once about Quasimodo

[@123animit]

Banger of a season premiere, but I do think 3x1 Anne is probably the best season opener of the 7, Bargaining being second. I personally put Anne among top 10 best Buffy episodes

[@Sforschondetta]

@2:56 Season 6 in a nutshell Also, if pause or frame skip at the right time when Willow falls over from the spell you can see Buffys spirit dive into the grave.

[@alexie5201]

I love that you're so excited for this season, Cass! It's one of my favorites. I think you're gonna like it a lot, if you're into dark and depressing stuff😂

[@krank23]

This is probably my favorite season - lots of extremely strong episodes, great season arc, fantastic symbolism etc. Looking forward to your reactions to it!

[@rydbthatsme]

I’m so sorry to hear about your grandmother BUT OMFG IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS EPISODE!

[@clussylove]

Kendra was the slayer called when Buffy died the first time, and when Kendra died Faith was called so if Faith dies then the next slayer will be called. Meaning Buffy's second death doesn't call a new slayer because her first death already passed it on to Kendra.

[@NanaAphesis]

Glad you're back 😊 The journey isn't over😉💜 18:12 Buffy's soul descending😊

[@omega-ed5eo]

This season’s gonna be a journey 😢

[@darp0z5]

Love your reactions! Welcome to my favorite season of 'Buffy'! I look forward to watching it with you!

[@ShieldVids]

The chip is the anomaly. It won't let Spike be the vampire so it defaults past behaviors with woman when he was William. The point being is it change if you can't do what you actually want to do? If I am a thief and someone tapes my hands together and I start being nice so I can have people feed me and cloth me is it really me changing or was I forced to change to survive. What happens if they remove the tape?

[@McCrispyTaco]

I watched season 1 and 2, then saw this at Walmart on dvd and bought it and watched it, without seeing 3-5. It felt like a completely different tv show

[@xzonia1]

I'm sorry for your loss, but I'm glad you're back now. This season is wonderful! Looking forward to your reactions. Loved every moment of this video!! And arguably my favorite episode of the series is coming up soon; can't wait! :)

[@lumwatch]

the horrified stare when you saw what happened to Bambi. I'm crying.

[@countingtls]

I have a theory about how Spike's chip works that would explain his behavior. Remember the Initiative was all about creating better soldiers and weapons, where Spike was one of their experiment. And the number one priority to turn a supernatural creature into a soldier is to make sure they can follow order - a mechanism that allow the Initiative to have direct vorbal control of their assets. Think about Spike's behaviors, they changed significantly after he had interaction with Buffy (like Buffy specifically told him to behave in a certain way). As if Spike imprint on Buffy and follow her lead. And I also suspect they put some protect the friendly commands in the chips beside not to harm, since what would be the use of a "supernatural soldier" if they can just sit on the side and do nothing. (you can see Spike rush to protect others many times, very early on, even if he showed reluctant to do so)

[@stevencolatrella3257]

Faith is the linear Slayer now, not Buffy who already died once before.

[@LeeCarlson]

"What is grief but love persisting." -- Vision to Wanda Maximoff.

[@darkwyve]

*persevering Yes, they are similar, but persevering usually means to become better or greater through struggle, rather than just surviving it, like persisting generally means.

[@LeeCarlson]

@@darkwyve, persevering actually means continuing in a course of action, even in the face of difficulty or with little or no prospect of success.

[@darkwyve]

@@LeeCarlson I meant, in context of what it was referring to, but yes, in the literal sense of definition you are correct. I however am correct about the initial correction. Vision stated, "What is grief, but love persevering". which I believe he used intentionally over persistence, because anyone can be persistent, even to be annoying, but when you think of one persevering, there is meaning and value behind it.

[@LeeCarlson]

@@darkwyve, I would disagree because the key to grief is that it must be endured. Nothing more than that.

[@darkwyve]

@@LeeCarlson You are more than welcome to disagree. We all come from different walks of life and see things differently. Grief, like any other emotion can be ignored, pushed down, ect... so, I disagree that it must be endured. But it seems we have a fundamentally different way of looking at things, so I doubt that's going to change anything for either of us.

[@charmedoriginal5923]

Cass, technically Buffy isn't the "official" Slayer. Buffy died. Kendra was called. Buffy was resurrected. Kendra died. Faith was called. Buffy died. Faith is still alive.

[@migmit]

Exactly. It wasn't clarified in the show itself, but I think I've seen this in the comments here.

[@zemoxian]

It’s a valid hypothesis but a potential spoiler. Stating it with certainty means we’re telling her that another slayer won’t show up. An alternative hypothesis is that another slayer was called and just didn’t have a justification for crossing paths with Buffy. Just because we haven’t seen another slayer, it doesn’t necessarily mean that another wasn’t called.

[@vlad5042]

@@zemoxiani don't think it's really a massive spoiler. if i was watching this with a friend and they were like "omg, so theres gonna be a new slayer right" id probably be like "actually no, not this season" and i wouldnt personally consider that a "spoiler". as a viewer of the reaction id rather not watch her slowly get confused about why the new slayer still hasnt been introduced.

[@zemoxian]

@@vlad5042 Not a major spoiler, besides with all the comments it’s a done deal. I generally don’t want to expose any information about future episodes. I’d prefer a clean room approach as far as possible because it results in the best reactions and the best experience for the reactors. It’s a dicy process of reacting to a show and interacting with an excited audience. Often they share things that totally blows surprises. Sometimes reactors see hundreds of seemingly unrelated innocuous comments that completely reveal future events. In some cases it’s brought reactors to tears or forced them to wall themselves off from the community to avoid spoilers. This particular type of comment in itself isn’t that bad but I just think in general it’s better not to bring up future events.

[@plothole181]

I've been seeing this theory stated as fact for years, but I have never once seen it confirmed. In fact, I think I've see evidence (not proof) that it is less than true. I'm not going to talk about the details of that evidence here because...*River Song voice* but...

[@Anonymous-mw5en]

Out of all the seasons, six took me the longest to watch. It’s dark and experimental and it doesn’t always land perfectly but overall it’s a beautiful character study and an absolute work of art. So stick with it and appreciate the most mature season of Buffy there is.

[@Jedi_Jeff]

Btw, I love that new people are finding and enjoying the show. Buffy will live on.

[@Phoenixdark1]

Buffy already died in season 1. Kendra came, and after Kendra it was Faith. Faith would have to die for a new slayer to be called.

[@LadyGreensleeves33]

Spike is my favorite morally grey mess 🖤

[@ronfehr7899]

The subject of a possible new Slayer after season 5 has long been a topic of debate. With Faith still alive, who knows if anything happens as a result of Buffy's death. There's the possibility that the Council somehow found a way to negate the possibility of multiple Slayers ever again. There's also the possibility that a new Slayer was called, but we haven't heard of it yet.

[@plothole181]

Finally someone who doesn't immediately go "Yeah, Buffy deaths don't count anymore" about the whole Slayer line.

[@HorrorMovieSyllabus]

"It's Bambi!" 😂 More like Bambi's mom...

[@mikechappell4156]

Lots of discussions over whether Buffy's death creates a new slayer or not. Faith is still a slayer.

[@steventagawa6959]

So I'm pretty sure the way this works is that Buffy is no longer "the" Slayer, as in the one who gets replaced. When she died the first time, Kendra became the new Slayer, and when Kendra died, Faith replaced her. Since Faith is still alive, there shouldn't be another new Slayer until Faith dies.

[@arc7375]

With her continually reddening hair colour and proclivity for telepathy, Willow is very much in her Jean Grey era!

[@terrystickland219]

That'll end well, then.

[@arc7375]

@@terrystickland219 If you know, you know. 👀

[@Dylan_Platt]

Fantastic reaction, as usual. Your comments on Spike's growth are 100% spot on, especially in terms of the way he interacts with the Buffybot and what that means about his inner thoughts. Anybody who dismisses him as "just a soulless vamp" isn't watching the same show I am.

[@morganwilliams5541]

There is no right way to bring someone back. It's a life for a life, sacrifice and blood.

[@GreenWolfDen]

Buffy died (temporarily) in season 1 finale. Kendra was called and is now the official Slayer. Kendra died, then Faith was called. No new slayer was awoken when Buffy died in the season 5 finale.

[@plothole181]

Never officially confirmed that this is the rule. There is even some contradictory evidence (not proof).

[@AnatoleVGC]

Thank god you found the non spoiler dvd cover. The other art is sooooo full of spoilers

[@officialcassreacts]

i have a great buffy friend who sends me the posters for me to use!!

[@AnatoleVGC]

@officialcassreacts Ooooh, thank god. I was sooo anxious for this season afraid you would be spoiled by the awful box cover they put for season six. When you finish the season search the season six dvd cover, you will be shocked lol

[@ryanhill-u3z]

hey can you please wear gloves and do a reaction to Buffy the vampire

[@ronfehr7899]

Another possibility for Spike sticking around crossed my mind. He said once that he always had a soft spot for the Summers women. With Dawn still around, Spike feels the need to fill Buffy's role somewhat. While he doesn't feel the same about Dawn, he still cares for her. And in this case, it also means staying on good terms with the Scoobies.

[@Ndjdj-xr9dx]

that and buffy asked him to protect dawn in the finals of season five. even tho buffys dead he still feels he has to honor that probably out of care and respect for buffy but also because he feels guilty

[@Nicamon]

@@Ndjdj-xr9dx Yes,but my question is...where is the line between this and a human behavior?The fact you can find _reasons_ for Spike doing what he does doesn't change the fact that they are 100% *human* reasons! They shouldn't apply to a souless being!A souless being _shouldn't care_ this much for people!

[@plothole181]

@@Nicamon I think this is where the soul vs humanity dichotomy comes in. Way back in season two they establish that a few vampires (Spike among them) have humanity without having souls and some vampires (Angelus being the only confirmed case) do not have humanity without their souls. I think the soul might be a certain level of the instinct to "good" whereas the humanity is the emotional/social spectrum to some degree. Drusilla has never been a "good" character, but she clearly felt emotional and social connections to Spike, Angelus and Darla and she was another one of the characters that was identified as having humanity. Angelus on the other hand seemed to less feel an emotional or social connection to his "social" circle and more a sense of ownership that he would assert if he felt like any of them were acting to uppity.

[@Nicamon]

@@plothole181 My point is that vampires _can_ be complex and not all the same,but they can't go beyond a certain level of goodness and selflessness,otherwise they become _indistinguishable_ from humans. From ep 5x18 on,Spike is a human.Before that,he was _still_ emotional and romantic,but he made perfectly sense as a souless being. Now he doesn't.

[@plothole181]

@@Nicamon Which is probably why my mother had a theory first run that Spike had somehow grown a new soul and I didn't immediately go "well that isn't right."

[@myladynoir00]

Osiris is the Egyptian god of the underworld. I don't know a lot about actual myth there, but I think of it like a very neutral keeper of balance of life and death, in charge of the souls who cross over/keeper of the gate ("let her cross over!") ...neutral in the way that a lot of depictions of death are neutral (not good or evil because death is a natural and necessary part of life). But like Tara said, the only reason this COULD work is because Buffy didn't die a natural death. So there's a chance Osiris could actually let her soul reenter her body, by way of this ritual, and by appealing to Osiris's "senses" of this fact, that it's not the natural order, and because they're essentially understanding that there's no other way to bring back the real Buffy by any power of their own because reanimation is just zombies and the like. It's obviously still very dangerous, they're essentially at the mercy of a god, obviously the "trials" themselves are extremely taxing, and they still have to bank on Willow's physical endurance and magical power and everything in the ritual going exactly right. Clearly this isn't something one just does, and you are right in thinking it is very dark, anything to do with death usually is. But I think Tara being on board is pretty telling with the fact that while they are messing with very unnatural forces, they are not necessarily "undoing the natural order" - at least Osiris seems to be on board with them as well lol. And it of course makes sense to need a sacrifice, a life for a life kind of thing. Thank goodness it was an animal, that's pretty common for gods, if it was a demon ritual, it would have probably been a human.

[@myladynoir00]

(essentially, Osiris isn't going to let anyone cross over who died a natural death, and any other spell that attempts to bring back the dead doesn't actually bring back the person themselves, so, this is the only thing they can try, and there's a chance it could actually work the way it should - that's why Willow says "this isn't like Dawn trying to bring back Mrs Summers or anything else we've dealt with")

[@Onestamente]

Seen this episode when i was 10, i grew up with this show and always loved willow. When she kiled bambi my 10 year old self was shocked i cried all day😭

[@TheTripIePlays]

rip to ur grandma 💔

[@mylvem7270]

Great reaction, can't wait for you to experience season 6! If I remember correctly, in season 1 Nightmares episode, Buffy's nightmare was to die young. This will be interesting to see.

[@davintarr]

And specifically, her nightmare was being buried alive. Whoops.

[@Nyctm91]

Yay you’re back and we love you!

[@mking1982098]

"Another slayer does need to be stepping into that role". Another slayer has already been called due to Buffy's death. Her name is Faith and she is in prison.

[@plothole181]

I keep seeing people saying the whole "the line only runs through Faith now" thing and yet I have yet to ever see that confirmed anywhere.

[@Pey1013]

@@plothole181if there was another slayer called, don’t you think the show would’ve showed her or even mentioned another one? I think that’s the confirmation..

[@plothole181]

@@Pey1013 Absence of confirmation is not confirmation of absence. Which sounds like I'm agreeing, but your "confirmation" assumes the confirmation of absence of a new slayer. By this I mean that Kendra didn't show up for almost half a season after Buffy died and no one in Sunnydale knew about her until after she showed up. Faith showed up a little quicker, but still no one in Sunnydale had heard of her until she showed up of her own accord (and the Watchers had lost track of her for a little while). They didn't even know Buffy might be a slayer until she actually had started manifesting. In season six the Sunnydale crew are kind of on even worse terms with the Watcher's Council than earlier seasons and the Council has been screwing up on tracking slayers for years at this point. Then they are distracted by things that we will not speak of. I'm not saying 100% that the line *does* still go through Buffy, but precedent *has* been set for the Sunnydale crew to not be kept fully abreast of the coming of slayers and nothing ever *explicitly* states that the line doesn't still go through Buffy or that another slayer has not been called (maybe to Cleveland). I'm not sure how I feel about how I started this response, but the argument in general is what I intended.

[@JusticeGamingChannel]

@@plothole181 Your just spinning in circles here, let's go with the facts as seen on screen, fact = no new slayer after Buffy died the 2nd time, don't read more into it.

[@ToySouljah.]

My condolences.

[@JusticeGamingChannel]

Everyone forgets that Faith exists, about this time in the show, heh, I think even the writers forgot.

[@jennarobinson4136]

I love how excited you were to start season 6! It's really a great one and I'm looking forward to seeing what you think :)

[@arc7375]

No new slayer will be called, because _Faith_ is still alive. Faith is the true, official Slayer. And the line runs through her. Buffy is an anomaly. She is _a_ slayer and not _The_ Slayer, something Giles stated in season two when Kendra appeared in Sunnydale.

[@plothole181]

He however never said that the line exclusively runs through Kendra/Faith, just that Buffy being alive again was an anomaly. Since it IS an anomaly there is no way he would have said that because there is no way to know. (Also, there are some future lines that kind of contradict this...not conclusively but enough.)

[@AdzPower]

@@plothole181 He never said it exclusively because he is guessing. Its an unprecedented situation that has never happened before. But its been proven that since Buffy was revived in season one that she is in fact, *not* the active slayer anymore despite still retaining her powers. We know she isn't the "chosen one" anymore because when Kendra dies a new slayer is activated, and when Buffy dies a second time, another one isn't. This alone proves that the line now runs through Faith, or at least that's how it worked between seasons 2-6 anyway until Buffy is resurrected. I can't really say anymore because spoilers.

[@plothole181]

@@AdzPower Ok. We don't know another slayer wasn't called. We didn't know that the first other slayer was called for a season and we only found out because she showed up. We didn't know that the next other slayer was called for a while and again we only found out when she showed up. Even if the Watcher's Council knew there was a new slayer they have proven that there is no guarantee that they would have shared that information (especially after how the last two slayers treated them) and there is no guarantee that the joke that the Watcher's Council was slowly becoming over the course of the show would have even have found the theoretical slayer before they got heavily distracted, *euphemism*, and then there was a point where no one would have really noticed.

[@AdzPower]

@plothole181 I mean sure that might have happened. There is nothing to contradict it. But everything you just said is made up. Whereas in my previous comment I put what the show actually shows us. I could invent a vampire with a soul that lived before Angel, nothing contradicts it, but that doesn't mean it happened. We have no choice but to accept the facts the show presents us with.

[@plothole181]

@@AdzPower Yes, you stated things that happened, but none of them definitively prove that the slayer line only passes through Kendra/Faith. My whole point is that everyone is stating as fact something that is never confirmed and you respond to my putting forward something that would contradict that unconfirmed fact by saying "nothing contradicts it" and yet continue to argue that the thing that would contradict it (if true) is fact.

[@paulieluppino1856]

13:43 ..."It's Bambiiiiii"... Well, Bambi's jerk ain't gonna cut itself...

[@mikechappell4156]

Spike has always been emotional.

[@thomashavard-morgan8181]

As others have pointed out Buffy technically died in series 1 and Kendra was called, starting the new slayer line, which continues with Faith, so no new slayer. I'm so excited for you to watch this series, it's so much darker and deeper and arguably more human than what has come before.

[@mikechappell4156]

Faith is protecting the world from prison.

[@itsjoelui]

Love this episode but the following one it’s to die for. Please watch it soon!

[@ronfehr7899]

The look on Willow's face after she performed the sacrifice was real emotin from Alyson Hannigan herself. Although the fawn she stabbed was just a dummy, the actor itself still affected her on an emotional level.

[@NvardQueen]

Spike is a unique vampire, his human personality was very sensitive and romantic, so it left a mark on his vampire personality. BUT he's not human and has no soul, which means he's essentially evil and has no moral compass. His feelings are not same as human feelings, they are obsessions. He does love Buffy as much as a vampire can, so he projects it on Dawn, because he sees her as someone important to Buffy. Again, he's quite unique, NO other soulless vampire is like that, but he's still not on a human level

[@Buffy8Fan]

Welcome to S6!!!

[@whatlee8671]

I always say my 25-30 ages were season 6 of Buffy.

[@DegrassiInstantStar]

LOVE this premiere SO much!!!!!!!

[@Sephiroth766]

Buffy dying wouldn’t activate a new slayer. Her dying the first time activated Kendra. When Kendra died, that activated Faith. To get a new slayer, Faith has to die.

[@plothole181]

It is still so weird to me that everyone takes this as gospel when it is never confirmed.

[@JusticeGamingChannel]

@@plothole181 The confirmation is that there was no new slayer after Buffy died the 2nd time, that's your confirmation!

[@beautye5909]

lol, the Vampire bragging about revealing buffy bot, had a hanson shirt on.

[@sebastianwittmeier1274]

The 16:9 has a less frightening bambi scene than the original episode.

[@paulieluppino1856]

8:44 ...Same thing happened to me in GTA...

[@Jedi_Jeff]

I'll post here rather than the season 5 end. I worked on Buffy crating the make-up applieences. WB (or Joss) didn't want to continue, so Joss wrote a series end. After filming, FOX wanted to continue, so Joss wrote the next two seasons for FOX. In the Buffy verse, anything can happen.

[@LeeCarlson]

In the Whedonverse, all magic has a component of Darkness, and if you don't provide a sacrifice, you will not get anything back.

[@danielm4436]

Buffy's successor was Kendra and hers was Faith. Buffy has already handed the torch over so the next Slayer will be after Faith, but we aren't following her story.

[@Cliohna]

17:32 Play that at 0,25x speed 🤌

[@tetamale4280]

the rawest season of Buffy begins!!!!

[@RG-ef8ie]

You are not lying!

[@jonny_mazerati9410]

Faith is still alive 🧛‍♀️ and drusilla tells buffy vampires can love in season 5 everyone forgets

[@officialcassreacts]

i’ve never forgotten! but it just depends on if you wanna choose to believe dru (and i do)

[@evildeadron]

We're back...Once more. /wink

[@itsreeeshaaa7560]

I see what you did there!

[@tomatoberry]

Oh god, I can't wait for that episode!!!

[@DennisMaticic-h6z]

I’ve got a feeling…

[@G3rain1]

Buffy already died in season 1 and passed the torch. Faith would need to die for a new slayer to be chosen.

[@plothole181]

I'm just going to say it at this point...that is fanon.

[@ryan131rm]

@@plothole181no it’s canon, you just somehow didn’t pay attention lmao

[@plothole181]

@@ryan131rm Oh, I paid attention. I paid attention almost 30 years ago when the show started and I've paid attention the many times I've watched the show since then. They have never confirmed that the line ran solely through Kendra/Faith during the course of the series. I know three things that people often cite as irrefutable proof that it IS canon. Two of them I can't cite right here because one of them is still kind of a spoiler and the other one is definitely a spoiler, but I can say that one of them simply isn't proof and the other one doesn't say what people say it says. The one I can refute without spoiling right now is Giles' line when they first introduced Kendra and he says that Buffy is an anomaly, which just means that she is not the standard or expected (which is perfectly true as a slayer who was dead long enough to trigger A next slayer, but isn't dead) it doesn't (necessarily) mean that she is no longer capable of triggering a new slayer with her death. In fact it means that they have no way of knowing WHAT is going to happen with the situation.

[@ryan131rm]

@ it is clarified that there is a chosen one, faith became that one, she carries the line. A lot of other stuff that adds to that is explained by the monks whom created the slayer line. But let’s pretend for a second you’re correct, then you’d have to believe that from the end of season five and beyond there is a slayer running around that somehow no one knew about or found out about which just makes less sense than reading between the lines when the slayer line is explained over and over again.

[@ryan131rm]

@@plothole181 idk why my comment above didn’t tag you, but yeah^^^

[@zd4797]

I always kind of looked at buffy as an anomaly. She's already died and passed the line of slayer already. It's Faith that would have to die for a new slayer to be called.

[@plothole181]

The fact that she is an anomaly means that there is no definitive way to know that the line only runs through Faith now. Anomaly literally just means that she deviates from what is standard or expected. In this case it means that it hasn't (to our knowledge) happened before and if it hasn't happened there is no way to predict the outcome.

[@Pixelologist]

I could be mistaken but I believe that Season 5 was to be the last on The WB Network with no assurance at the time that the series would be picked up by another network. So, the finale of season 5 could very well have been the SERIES finale...which is why it was ended the way it was. Anyone more in the know will correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that's how it went down.

[@RG-ef8ie]

You’re correct. The promo for The Gift even said it was a series finale.

[@allocat586]

yay more buffy

[@hahaishereman]

I think the people who say that vampires can’t feel love have seen the whole show, which you have not. And that is all ima say on that matter for now 🤐 (not even saying that I agree with them tho, and NO SPOILERS IN THE COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE CMON NOW)

[@seanmcmurphy4744]

A biker gang whose members are actual demons is hilarious

[@TheRealGSmith]

I agree with you. Spike can love even though he has no conscience or moral code. Some humans can love and not be righteous people as well.

[@Nexusofgeek]

Faith is still alive so no new Slayer needed

[@apulrang]

Spike has real emotions, in much the same way as Data and Spock from Star Trek have emotions. It's meant to be an in-universe impossibility, but for us a serious speculation.

[@vlad5042]

yeah i feel like its obvious all the way back in season 2 that spike has emotions, he and dru are probably the most emotional vampires in the series. they literally have the judge character mention it out loud. actually almost all the vampires who get any exploration after the first season seem to have at least some emotions. angelus' sociopathy ends up being kind of an outlier.

[@arc7375]

He has real emotions, but is unable to love or performs any action or feel emotion selflessly. It’s all conditional.

[@CJ77777]

You're on the right track about Spike. Ignore anyone who says he's just a soulless vampire. A dog predisposed to violence can be trained, particularly if they had some kind of behavioural device when exposed to constant exposure to right and wrong.

[@darkenroses]

Osiris is a benevolent deity in Egyptian scripture.

[@Hannah_96]

love season 6

[@MrDWinter]

Spike kind of throws the whole show for a loop, and they never really address it. The fact that even without a soul he can feel love and caring and be kind (as he was with Drusilla, even before the chip) means that vampires *can* be good. They can make moral choices. This not only makes what Spike and Angelus and all the others do SO much worse, it also means that you can make a good case that the Slayer *is* a murderer. Who is she to kill all these beings, even if they’ve killed others? Who is she to decide they can be just executed without any chance to redeem themselves?

[@Dunybrook]

Giles will just come back. Neveremind that he probably gave up his apartment and moved his whole life to another country, Nevermind how expensive those airplane tickets would be. That's the true measure of how Willow has strayed to the dark side in this episode.

[@natbatlightwood5288]

Cas: aww Bambi. Me: Bambi is about to join his mother. (I am aware i am going to hell. 😂😂😂) Edit: you know what's really sad about Dawn's situation. The gang were so worried Hank would call and realise something was up and take Dawn away, that it kind of gets forgotten that he is legit dead beat. He never called or visited while Joyce was poorly, never came for the funeral or to help Buffy and Dawn in the aftermath. They couldn't reach him at all. So odds are even if he did find out Joyce and Buffy were both dead he either wouldn't do anything about it, or he'd just stick Dawn in foster care. If you really think about it, the man doesn't care enough to bother taking Dawn away. And that is really sad.

[@williambowman2326]

Your reactions are always great to watch, enjoy, and listen to your thoughts. Since the first episode I get a kick out of you trying to figure out what will happen and what it means. You are probably quite glad of at the for typical movies and shows just no one can predict Buffy. One major point is who has been omitted from the bring her back group. No Dawn, Spike, or Giles. It’s Tara, Xander , and Anya?.( Why Anya) . They are all followers and not leaders. This is splat from Willow and she dies not want any questioning.

[@Nicamon]

Here it comes,the Depressed Season of"Buffy". 02:30 - 03:02 Not you _literally_ predicting the plot and immediately taking it back!😅 05:31 - 05:35 BuffyBot is love. BuffyBot is life.😁💖 05:40 - 05:42 💞💞💞💞 06:20 - 06:24 And inconsistent,IMO,considering he's souless and he _shouldn't_ stick around now that his selfish reason to be(AKA Buffy)is no longer around!X-[ 07:19 - 07:21 Am I the only one who _liked_ the school's food?🤨(Important note,probably...I'm Italian,not American.🟩⬜🟥) 07:40 - 07:43 😄💙 10:35 - 10:46 🥺❤ 11:10 - 11:22 It's almost like he's _human._ 😒💢 11:44 - 11:50 🥺💔 20:30 - 21:36 The chip is a muzzle,it shouldn't be able to change his _personality._ Spike is behaving like a HUMAN since episode 5x18! 21:53 - 22:13 I absolutely _do_ believe souless vampires can love,but it should be a sick,selfish,abusive,twisted love,not _THIS KIND_ of love!! 22:36 - 23:29 So _what_ does it make him different than a human?!?

[@atheobald79]

How is Buffy going to be brought back into the show? Bambi…😭😭