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[@VisorView]

One thing never mentioned is that if someone buys an ICE car, keeps it 2 years, then trades it in, they would suffer acceptable depreciation, then use the balance to put towards buying a new ICE car. The problem now is that if they bought an EV, suffered massive depreciation, and then have to source a much larger loan or cash contribution to purchase another new one, then it is a law of diminishing returns. The EV buyers will eventually run out of cash, and as they are the only people buying them, there will be no buyers at all. The real cost of owning an EV will be beyond the reach of the vast majority of the driving public. All of the PR being broadcast is nothing more than panic measures in a desperate attempt to deceive the public, who in reality will never buy one as they cannot afford one.

[@michaelgodbold6247]

I might have put it on my CV . Fecking brilliant

[@ridbanner1407]

If EVs are so great why the mandates ? They would simply sell themselves. QED They are not so great.

[@G-ra-ha-m]

Exactly. No one want's them except the fas cist WEFernment.

[@richbrice3299]

Exactly. End of story.

[@MikeJones-mz5ig]

They do sell themselves. Global sales are up 30 percent. Smoother quieter faster cheaper. ​@@richbrice3299

[@g.d2450]

it's a bit like something else they wanted to mandate that was "safe and effective" that a lot knew wasn't either... my advice if the government is trying to push something avoid it at all costs

[@ZA26]

Zero EVs at the local car meet

[@JohnB-2021]

Hi Barrie, no one seems to mention the high insurance costs for EV’s. I got rid of my (mis-sold) e208 after 3 months due to the crap 130 mile range and the group 27 insurance. I could not afford a high end & high range car like the Audi e-tron, Mercedes eq series or Jaguar i-pace. Yesterday, the Tesla was shown to be group 50 on Carwow. Also on Carwow, there was something like over 100 Vauxhall Corsa e’s with over £11’000 discount. I bought a petrol 3008 with group 16 insurance. I cannot afford / justify EV insurance and I’ve been driving for 40 years. I think you should do a video on insurance groups for EV’s.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Insurance costs on my Kia e-Niro were same as for the Niro hybrid and only slightly more than the Toyota Prius (2007) I sold before buying my e-Niro new in 2019. I live in France so can't comment on UK these days but from what my insurance people told me EVs are no more expensive than ICE cars here. BTW 110,000 km on the clock, zero range loss in nearly 6 years with a range a lot more than I can drive in one sitting...meanwhile I've saved at least €10,000 in fuel and servicing compared to an ICE doing 55 mpg.

[@BarrieCrampton]

thats a good idea thanks

[@JohnB-2021]

​@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Well France is not the UK. I looked at many Kia's and like most of them. Just now on Carwow - 2020 Kia Proceed 1.6 CRDi ISG DCT GT-Line group 12E insurance, cheeper than my 2019 petrol Peugeot at group 16. 2021 Kia E-Niro 100kW 39kWh Auto 2, group 20a insurance. Stated range 180 miles, lower than the stated range of my e208 at 218 miles. 2022 Kia Niro EV 150kW 65kWh Auto 2 group 28a insurance which is higher than my e208 at group 27. 2019 Kia 1.6 GDi Hybrid DCT 2 group 11e insurance. I looked at buying all of the above cars and many more. Sadly, I could not afford any vehicle with a battery capacity more than 50 KW/h. Kia's were fetching more than £2000 over the cost of my budget.

[@JohnB-2021]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Well France is not the UK. I looked at many Kia's and like most of them. Just now on Carwow - 2020 Kia Proceed 1.6 CRDi ISG DCT GT-Line group 12E insurance, cheeper than my 2019 petrol Peugeot at group 16. 2021 Kia E-Niro 100kW 39kWh Auto 2, group 20a insurance. Stated range 180 miles, lower than the stated range of my e208 at 218 miles. 2022 Kia Niro EV 150kW 65kWh Auto 2 group 28a insurance which is higher than my e208 at group 27. 2019 Kia 1.6 GDi Hybrid DCT 2 group 11e insurance. I looked at buying all of the above cars and many more. Sadly, I could not afford any vehicle with a battery capacity more than 50 KW/h. Kia's were fetching more than £2000 over the cost of my budget. Yes, I believe servicing EV’s is cheaper than an ICE car and I will not argue that point. However, drive to Austria and back home then tell me the repeated charging stops is not a pain in the arse. I was jealous of all the ICE cars being able to drive at 130+ km/h and I had to sit at 110 km/h to increase the range of my nice looking 2021 e208 with a crap range.

[@1x3dil]

Hi Barrie. My background is in the electrical industry but now retired , I remember the phase out of filament lamps and the push for compact florescent lamps and halogen . Quickly following by LED , in the early days we would be buying in high bay lights for factories at in excess of £300 pounds apiece which is getting on now for about 15 years ago . With in months even at that price we would get two or three failures out of say 20/30 units , fast forward to day and the price will be nothing like the figure . The life span will be long , because the technology has moved on even regarding LEDs , but the point is it took at least two changes at least to get were are now in that sector . So how can we possible try to square the circle with the pursuit of electric vehicles . Kind regards

[@stephensalt6787]

StacheD Training is a KZbin channel run by an American firefighter who has done a lot on the dangers of EVs and battery fires. Well worth a look Barry.

[@joytotheworld9109]

Excellent point with the leaf blower. Electric is much handier for small jobs. Same with grinders, saws, and chsinsaws. But when the big jobs need doing and they're far from mains you end up with a generator running and plug in tools or petrol/diesel tools for the serious work. I'd say it's similar for cars, vans, and trucks used for work - anything involving long distance, rapid response, serious climbs, or running equipment (e.g. welders or other power hungry onsite equipment) can't be covered by a battery only vehicle.

[@G-ra-ha-m]

The medium sized lithium packs took out a golf club the other day...

[@matthewgodwin3050]

EVs might not be ideal for short trips though. Let me explain. I have a 2003 Nissan Micra as our household runabout in Oxfordshire. It's the only car I have access to at this precise moment, because the other one is at the garage for repairs. It currently has no petrol in it, because the fuel light came on during my journey home and I couldn't be arsed stopping for petrol. Now, lets say I get a call in 5 minutes time, informing me a loved one has been rushed into hospital in Scotland, and isn't expected to live beyond tomorrow morning. I can immediately jump in my Micra, drive to the petrol station less than a mile from home, fill up and pay inside 5 minutes, and be on my way with 500 miles range. With just one more 5 minute fill up, I can be in Scotland in 8 hours this time of night, and get to spend a couple of hours with said loved one before they pass away. What would I do however, if all I had was a Tesla with 6 miles range left, and I'd forgotten to plug it in? I'd have to twiddle my thumbs for 4 hours whilst it charged enough to get me 22 miles to the nearest EV fast charger. Then spend another hour charging to 80%. Then it would take me 12 hours to get to Scotland with further charging stops, meanwhile my loved one has died. Think I'm being silly? That this would never happen? It did happen. But because my short-journey household runabout runs on petrol, I was able to be with my best friend and hold her hand before she slipped away. Still think an EV would be ideal? What about emergencies? We all have them.

[@markburton8303]

Interesting. I've just put that trip into my cars sat nav starting with a 10% battery (I think that's fair as It's more convenient to plug in at home than go to a fuel station, as you attested to. funnily enough, If I return home with the car fairly low, I'll top it up straight way for reasons as you've suggested). Total trip time including charging is 8hrs and 15minutes. 2 x 22 minute charge stops. I dont' think that's too bad. It's worked that out on the basis it's currently -1c. I don't think that's too bad, tbh,

[@rbnhd1144]

Well Said, I'm with you. Good for you Matthew.

[@matthewgodwin3050]

@@markburton8303 My point is Mark, people aren't all orderly and organised. I'm certainly not. I have a busy life, and I'm quite forgetful. I simply don't have time, inclination, or head space to think about the car all the time. Emergencies happen out of the blue. A car with an empty petrol tank can be refilled in 3 to 5 minutes. A flat battery in an EV can't.

[@markburton8303]

@@matthewgodwin3050 I too have a busy life and nor have the inclination to think about a car all of the time or find the time to go to a petrol station (i live in rural devon), that's why when I get home I plug it in and it's full in the morning, no need to think about anything. So far, it's dealt with every emergency we've had. And, i've shown I could deal with your emergency quite well, even with the hypothetical low battery. I do have a good EV though.

[@oldgit15]

Is the moral or your tale to have 2 ICE cars so you have a spare for when one breaks down? A remarkably precise set of circumstances, suspiciously similar to those used by a certain motoring journalist turned farmer to support his anti-ev stance too. Want another example that works the other way? Just over a year ago some scallywags came along to a local car park and spent a few lucrative moments relieving cars of their catalytic converters, leaving people stranded and with insurance and recovery issues to sort out. Let's hope no one wanted to be anywhere in a hurry.

[@NeoRambler]

Brilliant video Barrie! This kind of questioning of "facts" is a dying art. I really hope people stay informed and use their common sense to decide if an E.V. is good for them, and not because they're told they are. Keep up the great work Barrie! 😊👍

[@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i]

Car fires! Let's limit to vehicles up to five years old!

[@matthewgodwin3050]

......and discount the 65% of car fires caused by arson.

[@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i]

@ Oh I'm sure GeoffBuysCars, MGuy, Auto?Expert, PistonPundit and many others have reported far more than that.

[@G-ra-ha-m]

@@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i China Observer too.

[@kerbsidemotors9249]

An EV would be a financial disaster for me. A monthly I can't afford and off drive costs. Shit boxes that are a vanity project. My 74k diesel cost £1600 and £80 month in fuel, £250 to maintain a year.

[@waynekerrr9027]

But is that as money efficient as a £50k EV, ? Don't forget you will save about a tenner per month on fuel also 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@kerbsidemotors9249]

@@waynekerrr9027 £300+ a month or 67% depreciation on an EV in first year eg EQE fire hazard, there is no way an EV can save any money. In fact most deposits more than my car cost. 2 MOT later it's still a better financial choice. 4 alloy wheels and tyres cost me £60 and the alloy will weigh in £40 when I buy another set.

[@joytotheworld9109]

Something could go badly wrong, leaving you with a bill much bigger than the value of the vehicle. Such is the gamble in bangernomics. Besides that you are winning massively in terms of money and if you do lose, you can just get another - while stocks last!

[@G-ra-ha-m]

@@joytotheworld9109 Badly wrong, like needing a new battery? £50 at halfords.

[@ColinMill1]

Bangernomcs is great. We are only on our 3rd car since 1982 - all bought used. Saved a fortune over buying new and changing them every 4 or 5 years.

[@vacation_generation]

Brill video and discussion as always. You’re right about the electrical components going wrong. My Disco 4 has had multiple electrical things go wrong, rotary solenoid automatic gear shifter, oxygen sensor, and a few of the electric door locks. As said, dear stuff to get fixed at a garage. And just remembered my Range Rover sport has a fault with the adaptive cruise control, and this one is quoted at a couple of grand to fix😂

[@G-ra-ha-m]

I recommend buying a scan tool!

[@desobrien3827]

I have older cars due to the reliability & easy maintenance Barry...1999 to 2004 models. Rust is not a big issue in Australia! I am just plain happy with them. My estate wagons can accommodate a 1200 mm square pallet between the wheel arches.

[@robertkimber822]

I'd like to see a comparison on car fires with the age of the vehicle taken into account. If an ICE car catches fire it's because the car is older and maintenance has been spotty. EVs are fire risks from new!

[@markburton8303]

so were Zafiras

[@simonstewart872]

Outstanding driving experience, until you put on the heater, seat warmers, radio etc and watch the range plumit!

[@ianchalklen1047]

Sunbeam Rapier 😊My dad had 2 and I have fond memories of them.

[@JeffPower-dv3zl]

❤🎉😊

[@daveb2wright]

Let's face it, if EVs were any good they would be flying out the doors. Unfortunately they are a poor replacement and people are waking up to that fact.

[@G-ra-ha-m]

For anyone without a driveway they are unusable.

[@JohnB-2021]

@@G-ra-ha-m That would be one of the reasons I sold my e208 after 3 months.

[@neilduran3586]

Today I noticed that my local bus company were using more diesel buses than usual! I wonder why? Yes, the very cold weather. There were some electric buses in use but on my route there was a noticeable use of diesel buses that I've not seen for ages! If the UK was to have prolonged periods of very cold weather, what would we do if there was only electric buses in the bus depo and no diesels to get them out of the sh*t?

[@brutter602]

Save you money if you charge from home……………for now. The time will come when they will install a separate EV charging meter so they can charge a higher tariffs which will include vat . They will want to replace the lost tax revenues from fuel duty.

[@stuartdavison4014]

I seem to remember a certain New Zealander claiming to be a ‘single source of truth’. That didn’t end well either!

[@G-ra-ha-m]

Yes, I remember him. Looked like a horse.

[@ColinMill1]

@@G-ra-ha-m Yes, gave a whole new meaning to getting it from the horse's mouth.

[@pdglisa9087]

You do make me laugh Barry. I really enjoy your regular rake through Auto Trader 😂 You’re 100% right in what you say, keep doing what you do, it’s interesting truths 👍

[@mpersad]

Outstanding work. How these bodies have the nerve to associate themselves with these "facts" is staggering. Top video, great research.

[@nathansmith7153]

Global warming is a fact. Helped by you burning up finite fossil fuels. Thousands die from the pollution from your ICE car

[@SWLW436]

If you have 2 hands, statistically you have a higher than average number of hands.

[@JeffPower-dv3zl]

😂❤🎉😊

[@peterhowson-pf5vo]

God that’s good. Can I shake your hand?

[@benhamilton5692]

Electric Car Charger on house - House Insurance invalid - charging lead Car charged has to be in excess of 15 metres from house.

[@foppo100]

That is rubbish and you know it.

[@benhamilton5692]

@@foppo100Individual Insurance Policies wording changes sometimes you only really find out when you make a claim. A similar thing is happening with banning storage of batteries in loft pertaining to solar panels.

[@G-ra-ha-m]

@@foppo100 It's not rubbish, actually, as it's in the small print in the car operating instructions. You really think an insurance company will ignore that easy win?

[@G-ra-ha-m]

@@benhamilton5692 Charging near the house is outside the EV's recommended use: No payout. QED.

[@NAYF76]

So if you live in a tower block does that mean you have to dangle an extension lead out of the window to charge an EV?😂

[@JeffPower-dv3zl]

❤😂🎉😊

[@g.d2450]

maybe that's why the government are pushing EVs as the charging cables would make for good zip-lines if there's another Grenfell... see the government do love us and only want us kept safe 😂

[@TESTA-CC]

Speaking of Ice, i Bet those EV owners have filled up the hot water bottle for there long journey just incase they dont make it, and cant have heating on to save battery 😁😁

[@charlesflouvat1829]

When was the law passed that you can refuse money with the kings head on it

[@sushiginger444]

Spot on as usual. Sound level much better too!

[@nc1234-v6z]

more concerned about the coining nuclear winter than a few degrees possible climate change, but still waiting for the mini ice we were told about by the experts

[@ghunt9146]

Spot on Barrie. The EV fad is fading & will only ever be a small % of the car mix.

[@adrianward7888]

If you want to quash mistruths start with the government :)

[@G-ra-ha-m]

Wow, the shadowbanning on this section is EPIC!

[@williamfitzpatrick7248]

Brilliant Barry, dropping FACTS about EVs, like you said there’s nothing better than the sound of a thumping ice engine, the smell the sound, you can’t beat it, but the sheeple just don’t want to listen, baa baa baa 🐑 top video mate 👍

[@waynekerrr9027]

I hate EVs, but I also hate booming noisy ice cars..only people I see who enjoy thumping engines with the radios blasting are spotty 17 year olds .

[@karlp8484]

You know who really, really knows about cars? Rental companies. They buy hundreds with their own money are responsible for getting them serviced and repaired and know down to the last penny how much they cost to run. After 2 years they have to sell them. A huge set of real-life data. Rental companies are getting out of EVs faster than The Flash.

[@st200ol]

I was speaking to a guy at work. A car rental company handed over an EV with only 20% charge at 6:15pm in the evening when he needed it for a trip the next day. A guy that had zero experience of EVs, of course it went wrong. If that's the best rental companies can do, FFS at least fully charge the car before handover, if they'd done that the guy at work could have done the whole 150 mile trip without even worrying about charging it. No wonder they are getting out of EVs, for now anyway. When more people have first hand experience of EVs, they will prefer to rent an EV and will be better placed to deal with a stupid rental company that hands over a car with only 40 miles of range in it. For those reasons your rental argument is irrelevant, sorry.

[@karlp8484]

@@st200ol Sorry your comment is the irrelevant one. A single datapoint does not describe a whole industry. Classic low doc thinking.

[@st200ol]

@@karlp8484I didn’t say you were wrong I just explained why you are correct. Yes I know of only one case but if I knew nothing about EVs and a car rental company offered me one I’d most likely not want the bother of it unless it was at a big discount. As more people have experience of EVs more will have no issue renting one. Rental companies started offering EVs too soon, unless you can think of another reason why they are getting rid of EVs?

[@charlesflouvat1829]

Should there be a cash slot on electric chargers if the Internet doesn't work?

[@philiplindley7384]

All that these 'government' directives demonstrate is the increasing desperation from them in getting us to do as they say not what they themselves do. I wouldn't buy an EV because I just don't have the luxury of losing a significant amount of money just to show how virtuous I am.

[@JeffPower-dv3zl]

💯 correct thanks 😊

[@gregvanpaassen]

Who in their right mind would buy an eight year old EV? My budget is 10K.

[@robinrdale8318]

Skoda fabia estate

[@greg55678]

I have a 9 year old one and I couldn’t be happier with it

[@williamnaylor8782]

I can put fireman on my cv ... people are impressed .. then they find out fireman on steam locos qualified at two steam railways in the uk

[@keithprice5208]

According to other sources, a new EV needs to achieve considerably more than 32,000 miles before it's carbon neutral. For a true evaluation of the level of pollution, you have to take into account the enormous, severe mining problems, including child slave labour.

[@desobrien3827]

By the way, look after your old ICE car...e.g. my Holden Monaro, refitting new leather seats, new paint...say $10,000...still cheaper! A reconditioned gearbox, engine & diff which are easily rebuilt is still cheaper than a new car!

[@stevecoinitin7521]

You lucky so n so! Would absolutely love to own a Monaro!

[@JeffPower-dv3zl]

​@@stevecoinitin7521😂🎉😊

[@JeffPower-dv3zl]

Nice one Barrie the leaf Blower ❤😂🎉😊

[@vrillon778]

Almost as bad as getting BBC verify involved.

[@sterobloc6645]

I wonder if the push to EV's would be ended if a government minister or family member of government minister perished in a Tesla EV fire as the family in France a few weeks ago when the door locks wouldn't operate due to loss of power.

[@G-ra-ha-m]

To be fair that's unconnected to it being an EV really, although it does increase the need to rapidly exit.

[@sterobloc6645]

Well do you remember when we could do all electrical work in your home. A relation of one of Blair's MP's got electrocuted by a metal plate rack attached to the wall that had a hidden live cable. All electrical work now needs to be carried out by a qualified electrician and signed off. Not a bad thing but if it hadn't been for the connection to government I doubt this legislation would have been bought in.

[@G-ra-ha-m]

@@sterobloc6645 There's always a fake backstory LOL.

[@1gmh]

SMMT represents manufacturers that have to pay fines if they don't sell - not dealers that do the selling

[@DaleSteel]

Hey Barrie. Ive heard you bought shares in Jaguar? LOL

[@BarrieCrampton]

It’s ok I paid for them on my American Excuse card 👍

[@davescottyhen]

also don't forget bud light!

[@DaleSteel]

@@BarrieCrampton LOL

[@Fred-gu6pk]

You could also just use a brush instead of a leaf blower. Or follow Bob Flowerdew's advice and get your petrol driven machinery serviced.

[@marks-0-0]

I like EV's in principle but I'm also a massive realist. Some EV's can make sense but not all. I don't have a second car but i just may buy a new or used when available Dacia Spring EV for local driving. £15k new or less for used if you want to wait 12 months.

[@kevinmoffatt]

Daughters mother in law just bought a new EV with 110 mile range; doesn't need a longer range as they use husbands ICE for that. Poses the question, what if all set for long holiday trip and hubbies car dies, the options suddenly become limited and, if , for health reasons (both are retired) a car had to be sold, would there be a resale market for a used EV with such a very limited range; I don't think it likely when BYD are offering cheap alternatives with 550 mile range.

[@marks-0-0]

@kevinmoffatt if your ICE car dies before a trip you'd just have to hire one same as if you only owned one car i suppose. Buy a used entry level EV which has less value to start with to keep depreciation to a minimum.

[@rbnhd1144]

Mistruth's, I say absolute Lies.

[@maxb5028]

Ha ha, love the leaf blower analogy! I couldn't agree more, and had me grinning as I've just gotten a sore shoulder myself from starting one of the bloody things, but no way would i want an electric one. You are spot on as usual...

[@PhatSimey]

I have a 240v leave blower, and it's mental! Far more powerful than a petrol one, takes some taming. But, yeah agree about petrol things though, nothing better than tinkering with an engine 🙂

[@stephenball3504]

Evs so have a place on the world, but not suite everybodys needs. For example the 40% of people who have no off road parking and would have to rely on expensive public charging. Suppose its a buyers market for evs. Thiusands out there that nobody else wants while petrol and dieael cars will go up in value.

[@vandamonium1731]

the most common factor in ANY car fire is ................... Electricity never seen a petrol or diesel tank spontaneously combust without an ignition source early vehicle fires were never recorded by classification and were only recorded as 'vehicle fire' and now they have to state what type of vehicle was attended and they are seeing a rise in recorded fires of EV fires QBE In surance did resent research and they 'reported a 46% increase in UK EV battery fires in 2023. This alarming trend has caught the attention of safety experts and industry leaders alike.' The UK fire brigades’ data paints a worrying picture. Car battery fires jumped by 33%, while bus battery fires increased by 22%.

[@jcfallows]

For example the Zoe GT has a 54.75kw battery usable 52kw. It's g'teed for 100,000 miles or eight years. Mine is 42 months old, only 18,885 miles but it's still 100% battery life. They only advise you to charge to 80% as that is the fastest speed it will charge, after 80% it will take twice as long so using rapid chargers on a long journey makes sense, but at home charging at 7kw or 2kw charging to 100% makes no difference. If I'm going anywhere out off town I'll always go full up. Around town you don't need to max it. After 8 years I would expect Zoe to have only lost 5 to 10 % of its range. If that!

[@philhealey4443]

Has this guidance been prepared by a primary school teacher aimed at seven year old kids?

[@RobertSmith-di5ll]

Dear Barry In january we are hoping to drive t0 cape town with our caravan. Could you recommend a suitable EV Best from me

[@john-in-cornwall]

since following you a while I am so glad to see the truth behind the hype...ii would never get a milkfloat as they are what they are, for the people that want them so be it...

[@philipmear8680]

If EV’s are so good why are they not selling? Price? Range? High depreciation? Insurance costs? Take your pick!

[@JeffPower-dv3zl]

Hi a colleague of mine had a new MG sent it back loosing quarter of charge overnight cold weather 😢

[@AaaaandAction]

Tell the truth about EV experience and there’s not a problem. Take me to court!

[@mikemlock8011]

did you mention the tyre ware...12k for EV or 20k for ICE

[@stephenburton8603]

Has nobody yet looked at our hgv fleets no sign of EV taking over just good old EURO 6 diesel engines delivering the GOODS day and night

[@maxlewis524]

@Barrie Crampton Did you know that there is a you tube channel called 'My Ami Vice' that is using all of your videos.

[@BarrieCrampton]

Thanks that’s mine too, testing thumbnails and titles, and also may move EV content to it

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

'I love EV's but'.. The depreciation myth is easily busted in two ways. 1) EVs are still more expensive new than they need to be given the crash in battery prices, so a bigger percentage fall in value over 2 to 3 years is no surprise. 2) Take an EV and an ICE of the same new price and see how their depreciation compares, in most cases the EV will hold up better than the ICE. Keep going Barrie. 😊

[@BarrieCrampton]

The ICE car holds up far better than an EV, far better, thousands, also the equivelant ICE and EV the EV costs thousands more, and is then worth less than the ICE at the same age and mileage used, you need to pay more attention to my videos

[@jcfallows]

EVs are superior technology and they are just getting into their stride with so many advantages over ice cars. They will be on a totally different level every five years, starting from now! How many anti EV guys still have CRT TV? or still use a Nokia 3210? Anyone? Thought so. I have recently helped a friend out driving a diesel van, getting it on my hand, while filling it up, it was on the ground and got on my shoes! Then I drove it, noisy, vibration through the seat, the floor, the steering wheel! After a day I got back in my Zoe and thought who would buy an ice car by choice!😮

[@jcfallows]

Guys what's this crap about depreciation? All cars depreciate a lot!! You buy a car to use, to get as much value out of it as you can! How can something like a top spec 2 litre vauxhall Astra cost over £42000? If you buy any big french car you will lose a ton of cash, the big German cars shed £10'000's over five years! When you look at the monthly payments in an ice car and think yeah I can afford that you don't figure in the £200 a month in petrol! When in an EV it's a fraction of that! We have had free road tax for 12 years! Insurance cost is personal mine on a Zoe GT was £620 up from £420 in 2023. But from what I hear young drivers pay it's peanuts!

[@oldgit15]

Your opinion - which is all you ever spout - is irrelevant. If you think they're wrong show it using actual evidence.

[@BarrieCrampton]

You ain’t quite with it are you, otherwise you would be able to see the evidence which I use to accompany my opinion that I’m spouting, just do us all a favour and keep quiet in future

[@stevecoinitin7521]

So why are there 34 Million Ice cars on UK roads and it's taken 10 years for EV's to get to 1.3 Million with all the incentives and shilling by 'experts' and even some nutjobs declaring war on non EV owners? It's so easy to rip apart those 'facts', because a lot of it is rubbish. I did it myself by researching with a few simple questions in my post on here!

[@grantwebster8157]

@@BarrieCrampton