Baseball Needs More Sidearm Pitchers

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[@EweCantHandletheTruth]

Would be curious to see the history of sidearm pitchers who had to get tommy John surgery. Wonder if the torque is much different on the elbow or shoulder. Looks like they throw with their core much more compared to a traditional pitcher.

[@shamusgallo3937]

@@EweCantHandletheTruth we mostly use more of the scapular back muscles, core(due to horizontal tilt and torque), and legs

[@EweCantHandletheTruth]

@@shamusgallo3937 do you know if there’s a similar ratio of elbow/shoulder issues that sidearm pitchers experience that are consistent with traditional pitchers?

[@gordoeinstein]

@@EweCantHandletheTruth Sidearm offers less shoulder impingement because the shoulder tendons are not forcefully stretched (as severely) as with "traditional" pitching and the associated overhead motion.

[@shamusgallo3937]

@@EweCantHandletheTruth I can't speak for everyone, but based on personal experience ik that when you lower your armslot, you are LESS likely to have arm injuries because you would utilize less arm(specifically shoulder muscles) muscles in comparison to an overhander. I have never pitched overhand in my life before and never had any arm problems. Before when I used to throw sidearm, I had a some shoulder soreness but nothing to serious. I am currently a submarine pitcher and never had any arm soreness(just a little bit of arm and scapular tightness right after I pitch). The only soreness I would get would be my legs and hips. Obviously everyone is different, but a big factor of preventing injuries is how you warm up and how hyperflexible an individual can be.

[@jackoff1826]

As a natural side armer myself, I never understood the pains of shoulder stuff. It was my elbow that might get sore though. Then later as got to my senior year of high school, I decided to teach myself to pitch a more over hand traditional pitch motion, and there came shoulder pains.

[@tjboylan20]

I threw 3/4 as a lefty I never threw hard I topped out upper 80’s, I never got any shoulder or elbow pains, my body was conditioned to throw 95 pitches in game every 3 days, I only got pain in my shoulder junior year because I tore my rotator cuff in the gym because someone hit me while I was doing shoulder press. I was always healthy, I had a great pregame and postgame routine to help. It’s all about getting your body use to throwing large amounts

[@Kermit_T_Frog]

Exactly what I was thinking. Side arm is a much more natural motion. I see no reason to go overhead other than a matter of style. All the cool kids do it, so that's what I'll go with.

[@keaganmorris6380]

I throw submarine/sidearm, only pain i feel near my elbow is my bicep tendon, most is in the shoulder🤷

[@the1truth420]

I was a 3/4 left and got elbow pain no shoulder..

[@aljon5947]

Yeah I find that I tend to like pull my elbown down as I throw sidearm, thats probably where the elbow/bicep pain is coming from.

[@BarnabyBaltimoron]

In high school, I was an adequate pitcher, at best. After my junior year in HS, I went to BYU baseball camp. One of the pitching coaches, Rod Poteete watched me throw and said I had a natural sidearm-like approach with my mechanics. It didn’t come easy, but I eventually learned how to throw a really good slider to go with a fastball and a subpar change up. I never threw harder than 80mph, but my senior season was the most fun I ever had playing baseball. I was able to walk on to a juco (Dixie College) and then transferred to Southern Utah Univ, which was a D1 program. I got absolutely hammered at SUU, but I played :) This never would’ve happened if I hadn’t dropped down.

[@llHllAllRllSllHll]

glad you made it work, good way to look back and tell yourself sacrifice pays off.

[@nofurtherwest3474]

You threw all your pitches sidearm? Or you threw some regular? Is it possible to do both?

[@dadbot8480]

"Bye you baseball camp"

[@ChuckHickl]

great story man and glad you appreciated it for what it was!

[@BarnabyBaltimoron]

@@nofurtherwest3474 I pretty much always dropped down on everything unless it was a pick off, a pitch out or a grounding back to me and turning 2.

[@Yaboishwa]

I remember a coach of mine consistently telling our pitchers that consistent weak contact was more important than strikeouts late game. If people feel like they can’t nuke your pitches or comfortably place their hits it changes up their hitting philosophy and makes them more tentative in the box. Won two championships that way with no pitchers throwing over 80 in high school.

[@rustyshackelford4224]

That's awesome.

[@ChuckHickl]

facts here...

[@DemonKingBadger]

Heh, I got by being a lefty groundball pitcher in high school.

[@gordoeinstein]

Great video! I began sidearm as a result of issues with my shoulder; turned out to be slower but much more accurate.., insanely accurate, and better endurance. Feels more natural overall.

[@shamusgallo3937]

we may not throw gas but we sure confuse tf out of hitters lol

[@baseballer5574]

Amen brother 😂

[@whoishec7615]

I would pull your shit 450ft deep 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@Magucci13]

I never faced a sub pitcher in real life, but on the Show I'm pretty sure I have less than .100 batting average against them

[@shamusgallo3937]

@@Magucci13 lol

[@Alex-tm4th]

@@Magucci13 I fuck people up with my sidearm guys. You just can’t read them for shit.

[@groundzero270]

My son throws sidearm in HS and it's a real advantage for him. It takes a special coach to understand and align which is always a challenge.

[@kanyeiscool]

Get him a pitching coach! Might be the best investment you'll ever make.

[@27DJMA]

I remember playing MVP Baseball 2004 as a kid and trading for Bradford, Kim, and Wakefield... because I didn't want to have to hit against them EVER again. The angle messed with me so badly.

[@CB-vt3mx]

side note; Quiz was a "visiting coach" for my college team. He would come during our fall "season". For such a small college (maybe 300 students) to have him volunteer to help us was crazy cool. This was in the early 80s while he was in the Royals system. What he taught us about hitting from a pitcher's perspective helped me graduate from small ball to a larger U team...When he blew up later on, we all could not believe a guy at that talent level was volunteering to help coach small school teams. I've always wondered how many big leaguers do that sort of thing.

[@kyokkyuu]

Best sidewinder I've seen at the collegiate level was Nolan Hoffman. Low 90s, absolutely insane arm-side run on the fastball. Also had a Frisbee slider. Last I heard he's stuck deep in the minors somewhere. It's a shame.

[@TheSolidSnakeOil]

Sidearm is good, there are still a few of those, but I want to see more submariners. Some literal knuckle draggers. I saw a japanese player 5-6 years ago, Nakita or Makita, who hands would scrap the mound on his delivery.

[@Drogon7102]

Yeah makita was mentioned in the video

[@OakTreeSports65]

Yeah he’s in the intro

[@TheSolidSnakeOil]

@@Drogon7102 I didn't even notice it

[@dalethelander3781]

​@@TheSolidSnakeOil See how you are? 😁

[@yuritesticoff1141]

Dan Quisinberry

[@seang4]

Honorable mention of Scott Effross. Loved watching him throw gnarly two seamers with the Cubs. Hoping he makes it back from TJ.

[@castlevaniaking5]

Pat Neshek, Peter Moylan, Brad clontz were a few that I could think of could be added. Moylan got the grounders like these other guys but he also threw in the mid 90’s as well.

[@madethecut]

All great pitchers! Wish we could’ve added them all. Maybe in a part 2 down the line?

[@charleswallace2142]

Stan Belinda

[@whalesequence]

I was gonna say Neshek too, was one of my favorite guys on the A's for years. Him and Liam Hendricks were very late bloomers in that bullpen

[@nickhughes8179]

Alex Wood, Tim Hill, Sergio Romo, and Steve Cishek too.

[@sheltdog8463]

When I was a young ball player and was given the chance to pitch during a practice I automatically went to the mound and third base. I could throw sidearm and regular overhand. When I started throwing sidearm the next practice coach was like Hell No and my Dad stepped in and told him O Hell Yes, He’ll pitch any way he wants. I remember pitching against these other teams throwing sidearm and the batters stepping out of the box while the pitch was well on its way and their coach yelling at them to stay in the damn box! Lol,,,, those were the good ole days!

[@nofurtherwest3474]

Did you throw both sidearm and overhand in the same at-bat?

[@reer3192]

Some great sub pitchers out there Byung hyun Kim (aka bak hyu Kim for his reputation for handing out the bird) pitched a routine out to ichiro using hideo nomo’s windup after ichiro talked trash about Korea. Misunderstood in America. Rei takahashi: a sub pitcher that throws low 90s Shunsuke Watanabe: lowest release point scraping his knee on the ground, the most influential at inspiring other sub pitchers especially in Korea, held a record for rock skipping. A former mariner pitcher now coaching for his former team Park jong hun: a sub pitcher that received an award for being the most friendly to fans, also probably the best rock skipper in all of kbo league. One of a kind windup that not everyone can do, notably he also doesn’t look at the batter when throwing. Insane. As a submarine pitcher myself I mimic his exact form and noticed small things he does, quite possible the most specific and difficult windup. His dream is to come to mlb and become with one of the many great Korean names known to mlb fans. Sadly he had tommy John (possibly due to him playing around with his windup) and his older age changed his form so now he pitches a bit higher than Tyler rogers, when it used to be just centimeters off the ground when sk wyverns were still a thing Sub fan favorite: makita Similar form to shunsuke where they both scrape their knee on the ground using a Sid arm angle (shunsuke and makita’s form relies on being low on their legs rather than their torso arm angle) helped pitch a no hitter against mlb in samurai japan Some of the facts shared were some what false or arguable, such as Tyler rogers isn’t the only one that has a “rising” pitch.

[@crazymarkiplierfan]

When O'Day throws, the ball is right there in front of the bat one second, then next second it's in the catchers mit, it's actually incredible to see.

[@MarloSoBalJr]

Those were the best you I could remember rooting for the O's. Besides Zach Britton, O'Day was the go-to outta the bullpen. Those two, singlehandedly, steer the Orioles to the postseason between 2012-16

[@jackdeth2004]

As an A's fan I loved the early 2000's at one point there were 2 submariner pitchers on the roster at the same time. Love watching those guys.

[@Quoise_]

real, some of the coolest pitching to watch

[@rustyshackelford4224]

Yes!

[@notvalidcharacters]

Where's Pat Neshek? Sidearm pitcher AND a switch hitter.

[@73honda350]

I remember watching Abernathy pitch felief for the Cubs in the late 60's. He was a dependable, consistent effective middle reliever on what was a better than average pitching staff.

[@rotomwash0355]

100 saves and 100 complete games. Man Eckersley was so overpowered that had to nerf him.

[@mrfabuloso91]

Tim Hill? I know he doesn't go super low, but I love that leg kick at the end of his delivery

[@theharrygamer649]

It's such a cool throwing motion

[@RRaquello]

Of course the greatest side arm pitcher of all is the greatest pitcher of all-Walter Johnson. Johnson threw sidearm, but with speed. There is a film on KZbin of Johnson, post-playing career, as manager of the Senators, putting his pitchers through their paces, and you get to see his own delivery as well as that of Ad Liska, who was a pure submariner. The film is from around 1930.

[@TheDsyr4MyDmyz]

I love watching side/sub pitchers, but I just don’t know if there will be more of them in the future. It seems their biggest strength is their unfamiliarity. If the side/sub pitchers become more common, wouldn’t teams put more resources into studying the ball spin and movement, and practice hitting those pitches? Then, hitters will slam those pitches as they’re ultimately slower than what overhand pitching can accomplish. I could be wrong; maybe side/sub delivery is just THAT weird, but I have my doubts there will be more of them in the MLB.

[@nofurtherwest3474]

What if a pitcher could throw both ways? Then intermittently he could throw sidearm.

[@samuelmoulds1016]

yeah, my father, A BIG BASEBALL FAN, used to love watching 'submariners' pitch. but I used to think, "If a 'submariner' is so deceptive, is so effective, why don't others do it!!?!" but there have been some good ones!

[@rmp5s]

That batter watching that 50-something mph ball go by like "what...tf...is this...???" had me rollin'. lol

[@NZ4848]

As a teenager I pitched sidearm but then coach made me throw overhand because it would be less demanding on the arm. Since a year I’m combining both and I notice that I’m so much more accurate with the sidearm, both pitching and in the infield. Never tried the real submarine delivery though

[@austint7675]

I made my college pitching debut yesterday after finally switching to side arm junior year. I’m glad this weird throwing style is getting the attention it deserves.

[@nofurtherwest3474]

Can you pitch both overhand and side arm in the same at-bat/inning? why or why not?

[@austint7675]

@@nofurtherwest3474 I used to switch back and forth during an at bat. However, I started to have some serious arm problems while pitching overhand, so I went full sidearm. I also have more control, movement and surprisingly velocity from the side.

[@nofurtherwest3474]

@@austint7675 Interesting thanks. But from a batter's perspective would that be harder to hit if a pitcher did both?

[@austint7675]

@@nofurtherwest3474 sidearm would induce a lot of ground balls if I would switch to it mid ab. It’s a good idea to have in your repertoire if you want to mess with the batter.

[@nofurtherwest3474]

@@austint7675 thanks. i'm just wondering if it's something to have my kid learn.

[@dontwannaname]

There seems to be a trend that sidearmers make their debuts when they are in their late 20's. I wonder if the extra development time also puts teams off.

[@sn0ipe333]

Often, these guys sit in the minors for ages and a lot of them were traditional pitchers who switched to side arm in an effort to have another shot at the bigs. Eichorn was a sub-par pitcher before switching during his career, and so often these guys already seem like lost causes to scouts. It doesn’t help that none of them throw heat, and so scouts are basically banking on their control to get it by batters.

[@EdVed206]

I’d like to know why this is too. Great thoughts

[@tusharjawane9056]

I think teams not taking sidearm and submarines is because they are harder to develop and maintain while fast overhead hurlers can be maintained by better physical conditioning and reducing pitches and mostly get higher speeds naturally while sidearmers need to develop their game with more deception which takes a lot of simulation and is hard to be expected out of a fresh draft pick

[@paulsansonetti7410]

Pretty sure the deception is built in Read MVP machine by Sawchik It's why pros can't hit underhand softball,all their practice is useless for underhand pitches,they can't predict where the pitch will end up any better than plebs off the street Speaking of , I wonder where whiz kid " Ariel Antigua " that could make contact on 120 mph( simulated ) at age 8-9 ended up

[@paulsansonetti7410]

I think a big issue is that pitching coaches don't like people that they have little understanding of their mechanics or how to help them Seemingly many of them need very little help though You should imo make an overview video for pitchers,a meta video so to speak ,of tricks to stay in the league Improve spin rate Doc Wolforth teaching velocity seemingly " Effective velocity " Knuckleballs Screwballs Pitch sidearm/submarine Sure I'm missing several MVP machine by Sawchik is a great resource, Bauer is a butthead if a human ,but he was so unathletic as a young man him making MLB at all ,much less dominating it is an incredible feat , just a crazy longshot Thanks again for the great content as of late

[@dangerousfreedom4965]

I agree we need more of them

[@steveho7366]

I'll name a sidearm pitcher mlb mets fan here me: bullpen pitcher Chad Bradford the submarine pitcher in year 2006 played a role in the mlb mets bullpen.

[@shinra05]

i wish there was baseball in my country, it looks so cool

[@madethecut]

Hopefully you guys get some organized baseball soon! Where do you live?

[@shinra05]

@@madethecut UK! (scotland specifically) we did just do decent in the world baseball classic so who knows!

[@madethecut]

@@shinra05 Definitely! I hate to think there's places in the world that don't have access to baseball at the moment, so here's to hoping it makes its way to you soon. Have a great day!

[@Van5195]

Shunsuke Watanabe pitched from an angle so low he would drag his right knee on the ground during his delivery. He would keep a pad on his knee under his uniform to prevent it from bleeding.

[@studgerbil9081]

Don't forget that guy who pitched with the Senators way back when. What was his name again? Oh yeah, Walter Johnson. His sidearm fastball was unhittable.

[@scottthomas3672]

@3:25 I played with the Thames Base Ball club seen here. The man pitching was loved and respected and he played for us until he passed.

[@joshuapatrick682]

To be fair to Joe Smith his postseason ERA would be below 1.0 if not for one appearance where he got lit up. The other 13 games he was pretty much lights out.

[@vintvarner16]

Teke.....The Rubber Band Man, I was 12 in 1985 when he got traded to the Phillies (my team) and he fascinated me and I loved him. He wasn't a closer any more but in 86-87 as the set up guy to Steve Bedrosian he wss outstanding pitching in 70 and 90 games, in fact 87 at 41 he pitched and ld national league high 90 games

[@markdaniels7174]

I love watching sidearm pitchers, some more than others. I think the delivery is so cool-looking.

[@toms7114]

Tyler Rogers has a problem as a reliever, he is great for 2 outs and then struggles mightily to get the third out. That is because it takes 2 batters to adjust to his pitches and then there is a lot of contact with his pitches.

[@deanainsworth1757]

I use to throw upper 80's normally and did an arm injury. A coach recommended submarine and gave it a crack and had alot of success with it 10 years ago and it was fun!! My arm injury is now gone and have gone back to throwing conventional, I am old now so no longer throw hard and I get lit up like a Christmas tree. I am convinced to go back to submarine.

[@fluoriteheals]

I'm a 3/4 - side arm pitcher. It's fun to watch people struggle with the change up! Make the righties golf and make the lefties swing high. It's an awesome strategy! My favorite to watch growing up in the 80's and 90's was my hometown team's Bob Tewksbury! He made batters look silly at the plate!

[@gibson4624]

Sad to see no Neshek. He is the one as a cardinals fan that really made me love that motion.

[@Blake-cb8gu]

He throws it pretty damn hard too compared to other guys who throw it from that angle. Even now in his mid 30s he averages about 90 mph on his sinker/4 seam. He slings that mf literally

[@joshuapatrick682]

Also, Joe Smith is at the age where Huntington’s Corea (the most terrifying disease of all time, legit nightmare fuel) starts to manifest symptoms and since his mom passed away from it there’s a 50/50 chance he will have it. Say a prayer for Smith, one of the good guys.

[@SenorTortas]

I literally woke up one of these past days just thinking about this. Good job MTC!

[@dougim]

I loved watching Kent Tekulve. And as an athlete who was stupendously average-sized (5’9”) & had to use my brains more than my physique, pitchers who use guile have always been attractive to me.

[@wemakeasiansurveys4U]

Tekulve was 6'4".

[@dougim]

*I* am 5’9”. I wasn’t talking about *his* height.

[@ChairmanMeow1]

I love how Takulve is wearing aviators while pitching

[@stevengraham3138]

Sidearm and also submarine pitchers I remember very effective and also knuckle ball pitchers makes the game more fun

[@danmathis1696]

I wonder if there is a way to develope a side-arm knuckler

[@TheSolidSnakeOil]

An upside down knuckleball would be made illegal immediately. It's already confusing enough from a normal arm slot.

[@madethecut]

I hope so! That would be next level

[@sovvsuh]

Im a lefty submarine pitcher in high school and im working on one Not much progress so far tho but it would be fun to see how it will move if i succeed in developing a good knuckler

[@lucasxavier3564]

I do it with my nails on the back of the ball instead of on top of it. 1:13

[@njdevs1987]

20 years ago I tried to convince my baseball coach to put me into a game as a submarine pitcher in a blow out. I was gonna if we didn't get mercy ruled... we got mercy ruled

[@thorinhanson1181]

O'Day should be a hall of famer. He dominated for a decade plus

[@pathutchison7688]

We need a Tim Wakefield. A guy whose knuckle ball mad his delivery look like he was playing a game of catch.

[@buddyyoda7007]

I’ve always loved submariners just something about seeing different guys throw, think I started liking them when I was a kid playin wii sports baseball and when I threw submarine vs friends they couldn’t hit it at all

[@MichaelMiller-tm2os]

As someone who still plays baseball, one problem with sidearmers is the ball is super easy to pick up. With an overhand pitcher, the ball kind of disappears behind their body and you pick it up again around the pitcher's hat. With side armers, you can follow the ball longer. Side armers have to overcome this increased visibility.

[@jasonbaird1645]

I threw sidearm RHP as a kid. Sinker/changeup was my bread and butter. It was really effective in my league of 95% right-handed hitters, but one day I missed high and inside with a sinker and accidentally beaned a kid who looked like he was terrified to be in the batter's box against me. That was the last time I ever played organized baseball. In hindsight, I wish I hadn't quit over beaning a kid who probably never should've been there in the first place, but life is full of mistakes. That was one of mine. I always rooted for sidearm pitchers in MLB. It's really interesting how their arm angle changes the dynamic of the AB.

[@jonnybalz]

I threw side arm as a youth and did well (70's), Later coaches told me not to because it's terrible on a young arm. Probably why you don't see it nowadays

[@RETARDOMONTALBAN]

Going from memory, the only submarine knuckleball I've ever seen was from Quiz. I dont think he threw it much but seems like he used it to K Leon Durham in the 83 All Star game. More lefties should try submarine delivery. Only one I can think of is Mike Myers

[@DemonKingBadger]

I remember a Kelly Wunsch who was a lefty who did that but he only lasted a couple years around 2000.

[@Bobbybabybobbybubbie]

Wish we'd seen what Shunsuke Watanabe could do in the majors. Extremely low angle PLUS an underhand wrist snap. From the center field camera in the WBC I saw, his hand actually disappeared behind the mound.

[@lucasxavier3564]

Legend has it that in Australia, there are but a few overhand pitchers.

[@seankessel3867]

Stan Belinda was my favorite pitcher when I was 12...and I don't care what happened in the NLCS

[@braxtonlombardi7185]

In high school I was a complete submarine pitcher. It was crazy how much guys were thrown off seeing Nestor Cortez moves with a weird angle

[@pullt]

Sidearm guys face similar hurdles to knuckleballers. If you promote or sign a guy with "normal" good stuff and he doesn't pan out, no big deal, can't win them all. If you do the same with an oddity you expose yourself to higher scrutiny if he doesn't pan out. Is the same bias than many in football are trying to overcome with things like going for two or going for it on 4th down. Most of the time, the "correct" decision is merely a marginal increase in odds of winning. If a coach does the "correct" thing, often you still lose.

[@mrmeme-jq6qr]

Nice Video Even though sidearmers and submariners seem like a gimmick or fad you can say the same for knuckleballers or guys with a weird wind-up, they are an attraction until they are exposed and then become pigeon holed either for the good like any other player trying to make it or for the bad making them even more open for failure, this is why they are rare and cool

[@jamesroncali7262]

Brad Ziegler graduated from the same high school I graduated from! He was a good sidearm submarine style pitcher

[@bmac4]

As a Giants fan, I love me some Tyler Rogers. Just a strange pitcher but we all can get behind a guy who plays like almost nobody else being effective.

[@rsn2012]

I modeled my delivery off of Walter Johnson after seeing him on HBO's "when it was a game." My left foot stepped out and my right foot came forward and carried the rest of my body with it in sequential motion, compounding the force. Was throwing 75 at 13 with pinpoint control. Never even had a sore arm. In HS my coaches made me throw overhand. I was below average, got benched, and quit baseball. I could have used a sidearm mentor back then.

[@bremms1]

My 14yr old son faced a sidearm pitcher (HS Sr D1 commit) 85-87mph and that stuff was NASTY. It is a very good 16U team and we got no hit. My son almost got a bloop single to right and we had two hard contacts. His ball moved all over the place.

[@uranusjr]

Most of the pitchers mentioned are relievers since deception wears off and sidearming puts limits to what you can throw. Sidearmers are fun to watch and perform well, but I’m not sure I want baseball to have more of them since it likely means every one of them would beome less effective as a result.

[@MLBMISFIT_34]

Love your channel

[@Dangic23]

I used to be able to pitch normal, sidearm, left handed and right handed. Lots of fun doing during my little league years up to 15 years.

[@billmalec]

A few years I started, did long relief, and short relief. If I started I threw more overhand. If I short relieved I threw more side arm.

[@PlayerJay425]

I’ve always thought this should be the default way to throw a pitch. Not only does it appear to rise before breaking but any break is gonna appear near when it naturally starts dropping

[@scottlees267]

Nic Sandlin-southern miss alum now with CLE-is a current sidearm guy who isn’t lighting it up but usually gets the job done. Another southern miss pitcher who was: Chad Bradford.

[@henryself3712]

It was a great video but you gotta mention Jimmy Herget! He’s been a great closer for the Angels and he’s doing great as a sidearmer

[@TylerJohnstonGuitar]

Tried sidearm pitching once in little league. Beamed the first batter in the head. That was the closest I got to the strike zone that inning.

[@odinsson204]

I played in the day when Tekulvi and the Quiz were throwing. I can say it’s the movement and release window that would really mess with you.

[@CadenBB8]

I switched to pitching sidearm and honestly I think it puts less stress on your arm than over the top. Look at Jamie Arnold at FSU baseball. ERA leader so far this year and is going 110 pitches into games

[@CarpetBombComic]

I often wondered why Tim Hill was on the Padres, because he had control issues, but he settled in more this season and he does manage to baffle hitters regularly. While he's not submarine, he does a great side arm pitch. Maybe not the best ERA among the sidearmers, but I've come to appreciate what he brings to the table.

[@thavionhawkmkii4509]

The St. Louis Cardinals drafted Cooper Hjerpe out of Oregon State University in the first round last year. He's not a Submariner, but his side arm slot notched him up the most K's in the nation in 2022. He was touted as the most MLB ready pitcher out of College and ready enough that had they needed him for a post season run they could have fast tracked him. He's not on the fast track it seems, but when a team uses their first round pick on a pitcher you know they want him sooner than later.

[@CheeseMasterSports]

My dad threw like Kent Tekulve…closed in college, he still holds the ERA record for a closer in the Gulf South Conference.

[@Admiral_Potato41]

Itd be cool and also terrifying to see a sidearmer/submarine pitcher that throws heat. Imagine trying to time up 98 from that release point lol

[@Hosstache]

Great video About unicorns!!

[@cteal2018]

Not sure if teams pass on side armers because they don't value them... Some teams probably think they have no way of coaching a submariner. The mechanics are so specific and unique that there aren't many people comfortable I imagine. As you noted in the vid, there aren't many that make it to the top levels, so how many do you think become pitching coaches.

[@nofurtherwest3474]

Is there a book on how to throw sidearm/submarine?

[@JoeKyser]

Kent was pitching when I was a kid and we wanted to mimic him. Our coaches said we cant practice that pitching at our age because we could get hurt so it was a no go trying to be like Kent

[@eljerc5894]

That's why I love David Cone and Bret saberhagen because they would change their arm angles and where unhittable at times

[@theRealUmpZY]

a release angle at the knee or below is a submarine pitcher

[@graikonungr7502]

I was a natural sidearm pitcher but my little league coaches told me it was wrong and I was forced to switch to overhand. Upsets me to this day.

[@DemonKingBadger]

Dan Quisenberry was my childhood favorite player in the 80s

[@nh19x07]

when do we classify it as sidearm or submarine at what angle

[@yuritesticoff1141]

Dan Quisinberry: Johnny Bench's baseball bunch taught me and my brothers how to submarine a wiffle ball & Ozzie taught us wall ball, our brick house was perfecto. However we didn't play baseball in skin tight flare leg jeans no belt

[@bensehon8253]

My mom married a baseball scout when I was 4 was built like a fire hydrant me more like a bean stock. I'm sure he must have taught me how to throw. What I do remember was at one point I found throwing side arm was easier and more accurate. He decided that he wouldn't play catch unless I throw overhand. Things went down hill from there

[@jordanpatience9249]

Fun fact over hand or as we call it now traditional pitching was actually banned until 1890 in baseball so until then everyone pitched like this

[@MarloSoBalJr]

From an Orioles fan's perspective, Darren O'Day was a weapon outta the bullpen during our little run under Buck Showalter.

[@texas10519]

When I was younger I was a solid hitter (cleanup) I would rarely strike out and make great contact and hit for power. My one kryptonite was submarine pitchers for the life of me. I could not hit them I’ve maybe gotten 5 hits out of the 25 appearances against submarine. It’s so different it threw me off my game and since then I believed in submarine lol

[@gorkskoal9315]

Also a shout out to The Unit: Randy Johnson.Side arm pitcher. He had control issues over hand, went under hand in the minors and eventually had just shy of 5,000 strike outs lifetime.

[@lo1bo2]

This reminds me of the sidearm closer on my childhood team: Mike Henneman of the Detroit Tigers.

[@josephmatthews7698]

I never really understood why we lock ourselves to a single delivery. I know its to mask what pitch is coming but most people are only throwing 3-4 kinds of pitches anyway. Mix it up. I did pretty well pitching alternating my angles and i was never any kind of special athlete. If a true athlete with gas did that theyd be unstoppable and Id bet theyd injure their arms less. Worst i ever got in my arms was soreness, (knees a totally different issue.) 3/4: pitch cutter/slider/sinker/change (when shoulder gets heavy switch) Side: pitch 4 seamer, circle change, slider, curve (elbow starts getting heavy go to 3/4. If elbow AND shoulder are sore go to Sub) Sub: pitch airbender/screwball, sinker, rising 4 seamer, curve and slurve, circle change.

[@twostepz4982]

Sidearms are great. Get a few to mix the speeds and versatile pitchers with fastball, change, curve.

[@DutchVanDerLinde-sx1ox]

I loved Darren O'Day on the Rangers