The Right Rack - Rogue Monster or Monster Lite?

[@BasementBrandon]

Building a monster rack gives you some up front options like height and swapping out upgrades but all this can be done in the RML if you ask.

[@mikesmith1502]

Brandon Campbell Diamond hey Brandon! Real quick...the rogue monster 490c might be a little overkill? 2 much rack? I’m better off buying the 390c or RM3 ..

[@BasementBrandon]

Mike Smith really depends on what you want. Tons of space in there, but the other options would work just as well

[@Dobermann.Kennel]

do you have a review for a rack that is ACTUALLY for sale

[@BasementBrandon]

@@Dobermann.Kennel The current rack I have (which I've reviewed) comes up for sale ever few weeks (RM3)

[@ohmymy9]

You have no idea how perfect of timing this video is for me. Much appreciated 🙏

[@Buran01]

I'll make you another favor: think about the half rack HR-2 instead of the full rack ones. 95% of the time offers the same functionality at much lower price with lower foot print.

[@BasementBrandon]

my my thanks for taking a look!!

[@ohmymy9]

Buran01 Appreciate it bro.

[@mikesmith1502]

my my did you buy a. ROGUE rack ?

[@futbol1972]

Man I been thinking every day for about 3 weeks between the H2R and the wall mount rack. Space is not really a concern but I just like the fact that it folds but don't know if they are as versitile as the half rack as far as attachments and accessories?

[@erwinbarnardii3658]

One advantage I don’t hear people talk about much, in reference to the Westside hole spacing on the Rogue ML racks, is precision safeties for squat. I get more of benefit from that versus benching. You can set your safeties an inch from the bottom of your squat. So, if you fail, you barely have go to further before it catches.

[@BasementBrandon]

Nice!

[@robvas]

Rogue has marketing figured out. I have used smaller bolts than that on hydraulic vehicle lifts.

[@HisDivineShado]

I like Rogue, but they overbuild things to the point of absurdity on some things.

[@bmstylee]

@@HisDivineShado very true. I remember the first time I saw one in person. It was an RM6 setup at the Arnold and it's just huge.

[@stephenramirez4441]

I bought a 1.5" socket at Lowes to make assembly easier. The guy in the tool department said he didn't think he had any of those but he rummaged around in a drawer and found three. He said to come back and get another one if I break it. The register guy wanted to know what I would do with it. He guessed that I was working on a big marine engine. I told him that my use for the socket was so silly that I was embarrassed to say. A socket that large makes one heck of a paperweight.

[@BasementBrandon]

I think they also go the extra step to over build. You'd also be surprised at how shitty some people (or facilities) treat equipment.

[@BrendanCBreen]

@@BasementBrandon True, but that rack would fall apart around those bolts if someone treated the equipment poorly enough to have an effect on those bolts...

[@1986mumbles]

I think having 1 inch holes like the Monster Rack would be more useful when it came to adding accessories. Why does it cost almost $400 more though? Is it because it's a pain in the ass to drill the bigger holes? If it's the same steel, I don't understand the significant different in price. Going from $755 for an RML-3 to $1145 for the RM-3. Then again, there are other areas in life where people are willing to pay a lot more for their preferred hole.

[@BasementBrandon]

Hardware is more expensive, attachments like J cups are beefier and have more UHMW

[@claycon]

Nice. I’m just now learning the difference after having my RML rack for 1 year. It would have been nice to have the option of using accessories from other manufacturers, but had I known that last year I still would made the same decision because my budget is fairly limited.

[@BasementBrandon]

You still can, lots of 3x3 with 5/8" or similar!

[@Terminator_T-X3]

I’m looking at prime, ironmaster, and rogue half racks. The good thing about rogue it's customizable, prime is uniquely designed / premium, and ironmaster is budget-friendly in a small form factor.

[@BasementBrandon]

Some solid choices!

[@Pler1978]

Monster over rml... The uhmw, numbers and extra accessories are worth it. Some of the attachments are only monster not just later. Utility seat, rotating chin bar have been out for a very long time... Several years so i doubt they will come out for rml at all. Have the rml now but wish i had gotten the monster.. The one inch hole spacing not a big deal to me since i have the westside bench. 1 inch holes do make a difference on bench for sure but isnt a deal killer.

[@dbsasuke]

Do you like the Westside Bench? I've been eyeing it hard. I think have a fixed bench that is the same every time you bench is really nice. Money is not a concern, I only care about the function. And if I have a westside Bench does that mean I shouldn't get an rml?

[@Pler1978]

@@dbsasuke i love it... Was on the fence at first before i got it... Takes up no space.. Nice to not have to set up the power rack and have a consistent setup. I haven't seen the monster westside but must be a total beast as the Westside can handle more than anyone can bench esp raw. The one inch spacing really only for bench so if getting westside id just get a monster rack. Considering a monster bench is like 265 with fat pad i think the Westside with fat pad and spotter stand for around 800 is definitely worth it.

[@BasementBrandon]

Right on!

[@sloppyjonuts9162]

martyjanderson wonder how much the monster weighs vs.monster lite..doesn’t say on the website

[@BacktotheOutdoors]

The rotating pull-up bar is the most overpriced attachment Rogue sells, by a factor of 10. There's a reason they haven't released it for the monster lite, and it's probably because they aren't selling it in high volume. $445? You can buy a pair of rotating, hook-style grips that hang from a pull-up bar for less than $70 that essentially accomplish the same thing. I have a pair made by a company called Stamina and I've been using them for at least 5 years. Do they give you the exact same functionality? No, but it's close enough considering the massive price gap. I have the Crown pull-up bar from Rogue which is far more versatile, and it was $225.

[@fiftyshadesofurban]

The reason I came here is because I was searching for the Monster Lite Half Rack review and saw you have one and also saw this. Figured I'd watch this first. I don't really have a preference vs. monster vs. monster lite.. But I have a limited space and Monster Lite Half Rack makes sense to me to have ability to store the plates and also still have it around that 4-4.5 foot depth... The only thing I see from the Monster Line that has an extra space for the weight plate holders is one where it's like a crazy 6 foot deep which is waaay too big for my space.

[@BasementBrandon]

You could add storage pegs to any rack, just a matter if they get in the way or not :)

[@jayc8442]

Spot on breakdown on both racks. I went back and forth for months on these racks. You really got to look at what’s important and what will you use the most.

[@BasementBrandon]

What'd you end up with?

[@jayc8442]

Brandon Campbell Diamond monster lite. I wanted some accessories but not a lot( which is why I went with rogue over elitefts in the 1st place) but I don’t need to have them 1st I can wait until they make it for the lite. Biggest thing from the monster to me was the numbered holes. But your right when you train at home once you know where the hole setting are for your j cups and safeties it’s really not a big deal.

[@BrimstoneTactics]

We’re going to be building out a garage gym soon and this is super helpful! Great video! The humor is also much appreciated😂

[@BasementBrandon]

Good luck!

[@WhoFlungDung]

I know im 4 years late but great review! I've been trying to decide on the monster lite half rack and the monster collegiate rack but 90" is as high as i can go because of my 95" ceiling and with the monster collegiate rack the back uprights are 90" and the fronts are angled up to 100". I think it was one of your videos where you said Rogue said they'd raise one of them to be even at 100". Wondering if it would be possible for them to cut the 100" front down even to the 90" in the back so it would be the same height at 90"s each. Basically, i want it just like the monster light half rack, but with the same 1 inch bolt sizes instead of 5/8ths and especially for the lasered numbers cut out. Without the numbers, I'd probably just go with the monster light, thats the biggest selling point for me. Thanks!

[@BasementBrandon]

So I was looking at the monster half rack for a bit when I was renting and was forced to train in the garage. I ended up just getting a RM3 and adding front half rack feet to it. Was an awesome rack. Have a few videos about it!

[@WhoFlungDung]

​@BasementBrandon Thanks for the feedback, man. At the time, I didn't realize the monster lite half rack had numbers on them, but they do! I ended up going with the 24 inch version that's has some accessories with it for $1,450. Love your channel btw!

[@Rocket_Man.]

I found a Monster Lite cage for $500 on a moving sale! With some cheap bar and bench a few months ago‼️

[@BasementBrandon]

awesome!

[@irailmygirlfriendeverynigh1416]

U lucky bastard

[@vicsophios5892]

Hi Brandon thanks for the review. I have my heart set on the HR-2 Half Rack as space is a bit of an issue. It adds nicely to my Bulgarian Bags, Maces, Clubs and heavy Deadballs. Probably get a bench and a swiss bar as well.

[@BasementBrandon]

that's a nice set up still, used one during a meet to warm up!

[@devonpeters9458]

Vic Sophios I’m looking at a used one - any thoughts on being able to heavy squat/bench solo with the spotter arms?

[@Hahahahe]

Devon Peters I have an hr 2 half rack and benching and squatting is no problem unless your trying to step out too far on the squat. the west side spacing is perfect for setting the arms for benching and squatting. However, if your squatting and lose your balance and end up falling back u might miss the arms entirely. Other than that its really solid and if u get plate storage posts it has hardly any sway.

[@WadeJones]

Great Video to go along with your series on choosing this one. I keep debating which one to get and this sort of comparison vid is really helpful. Question: One of the big accessory differences seems to be the Strap Safety connection. Do you prefer the easily removed RML ones or the "always on" RM ones?

[@BasementBrandon]

Ah that's a good question, the RML ones are better IMO. Although I don't need to take them off that often, it also makes adjusting easier. On the RM ones you can only move them a few holes at a time before you have to do the other side to catch up. Maybe I'll do a video on it.

[@rodrigovalle6941]

Great video as always! Just got my Rm6, really excited!

[@BasementBrandon]

Awesome, what finish/color!

[@rodrigovalle6941]

@@BasementBrandon I got it in black with a red curl pull up bar, 2 inch sandwich j cups,safety straps and a bunch of other attachments. It has not arrived yet but I am super excited!

[@BasementBrandon]

@@rodrigovalle6941 sounds bad ass

[@davidlrogers]

you bald, beautiful man. i've been hemming and hawing between the two seemingly forever, even pricing them out and the price difference doesn't make a huge difference because i'm not adding a ton of accessories. i think in the end it feels like the FOMO if/when a new accessory comes out that i might really want and having to wait a good while for the Lite version seems more painful than the $50-100 premium. thanks for the video to put my mind at ease :)

[@BasementBrandon]

Can't go wrong either way!

[@GarageGym411]

If I went with the Monster series, I'd want it in 7 gauge metal thickness (I saw the 7 gauge Monster set-up at the WWE Performance Center in Orlando, FL during CPPS Level 1 cert with Joe Defranco/Jim Smith) Unfortunately, I do not think Rogue offers the Monster series in a 7 gauge option anymore. I currently have a MonsterLite RML-490c and while it is MORE than adequate for my garage gym, with its 11 gauge thickness (like the current Monster 2.0 series) you can easily warp the uprights when tightening the bolts during the assembly process - you do not need to be super strong either to make this mistake. No way that will happen with a 7 gauge. (and yes, I know I don't need a 7 gauge... but this is 'Murica, right? RIGHT?!!!)

[@extrasmack]

This!! ^^ What first made me notice Rogue was their original Monster line in 7ga. That was the whole point of naming it monster. At 3x3 7 ga. it really was a monster. They later offered the Monster Lite in the current 3x3 11ga. That was the key difference other than 1 inch vs 5/8. Monster was 7 Lite was 11. When they changed the "Monster" line to 11 same as the Monster Lite they in escence kept it monster in name only imo, other than the 1 inch hardware of course. It's just not really worth the price difference any more since it's essentially a monster lite with a hardware upgrade. Man I really wish I'd had the chance to get a real Monster rack back when they were still available. Nobody in a home setting NEEDS 7ga. but if you can why the hell not do it?

[@BasementBrandon]

Haha time to hunt one down!

[@rohitram1824]

Hey I decided to return my last rack, since it had to be bolted down. I am looking at two racks at this moment which are the RML-390F FLAT FOOT MONSTER LITE RACK and the ROGUE RM-390F FLAT FOOT MONSTER RACK. The price difference is $570, but I was thinking to maybe to go with the monster rack instead of the light because I was looking to buy the straps attachment anyways and that already comes with the monster rack. So in reality the Price difference is more so around 200-300$. I live in canada so the prices here are a lot more. Wanted to get your opinion on what I should do or if you have any other suggestions. I am also going to get the dip attachment to from rogue Thanks!

[@BasementBrandon]

The RM-390f comes with pins/pipes per the product page. Both would serve the same purpose, main difference is the attachements!

[@rohitram1824]

Brandon Campbell Diamond which one do you suggest to buy?

[@BasementBrandon]

@@rohitram1824 You prob won't like my answer, but it depends. Do you want higher end attachments that are heavier duty? If so go with the Monster. Do you want still high quality attachments that will save you money in the short and long term? Go Monster Lite.

[@rohitram1824]

Brandon Campbell Diamond thank you so much for sure going to save my money I think. Also how do you feel about the strongman sport calibrated plates are they worth it buying over a set of bumper plates which will cost around 1000-1500 in Canada or the strongman which is around 1000 Canada

[@BasementBrandon]

Rohit Ram depends on application. Calibrated plates are nice but overkill for a lot of people.

[@johnsotelo3125]

I hope rogue will do more versatility with the rogue sml 1 squat stand in the future.

[@BasementBrandon]

Agreed!

[@bmstylee]

The Fortis rack seems like the hidden value in the Rogue offerings. It's about the same price as the RML490. And if you can deal with a black rack it's seems like a good deal. I will be getting the RM4 version for myself as a birthday gift for me. I have been saving for about a year or a bit more and it's about time to pull the trigger on it. The accessories part isn't a huge thing but they do some make some really cool stuff and having a chance to get it first is nice.

[@BasementBrandon]

Agreed, very good value. You lose some stuff like color/finish choice, no nameplate (who cares), etc. The biggest potential issue for some might be getting the welded panels down stairs or inside their space if they don't have a lot of room.

[@Pler1978]

@@BasementBrandon also if want to later convert to 6 post rack youre out pf luck.

[@bmstylee]

@@Pler1978 a 6 post would be cool but it would take up to much in the small space I call a 1 car garage.

[@watchman9198]

Brandon’s brain: don’t say it don’t say it don’t say... Brandon: I like to spend money

[@BasementBrandon]

*invest :)

[@richardpena4423]

Found you through Gluck's Gym. I think it's awesome you are repping Obtain Strength. I followed Michael Kory from way back and I miss him.

[@BasementBrandon]

He's been doing the recipe thing again on IG and TikTok!

[@scottavante]

I think you had me with the Monster Rack when I saw those huge bolts!!

[@BasementBrandon]

😂

[@In_dependent]

@BasementBrandon do you need to bolt these down? Starting my own gym in a living room! god bless the missus. Can't decide between mr-3 and rml-390f. I def don't want to bolt these down as will be getting a big shed next year where all the gear will move.

[@BasementBrandon]

The flat foot design is made so you don't have to bolt, but if going RM3 I would suggest stabilizing feet

[@andrewrew1423]

Great comparison!. So I have 10'x 12' spare room on my rental 2nd floor apartment. How heavy is RM-4? I know rml4 weighs 340lbs. I still can't decide which one to get, rml 390c, 490c or rm3 or rm4. I'm thinking if rm4 weighs 400lbs, that it might be too heavy for my apartment room. I'm planning to move to a house in couple of years.

[@BasementBrandon]

They don't share the weight on these anymore for some reason (prob b/c a lot depends on the accessories) but it's comparable to the RML version.

[@elienehme_]

I need your advice: I’m struggling between RML-390F and RML-390C (both 30” depth). I’m not planning on bolting it so the flat foot makes sense, but I’m wondering if I’m losing any future upgradability and compatibility with other brand attachments, because of the base. If only Rogue made mini feet for the RML, this would solve my dilemma.

[@elienehme_]

Nevermind, I just realized that the RML-390F is a bit too tall for my basement. I just have to figure out how to stabilize the 390C.

[@BasementBrandon]

dang sorry to hear.

[@stevenrobare6668]

I was all about the Westside spacing but as soon as I started benching I realized either my arms are to long or my bench is a little higher because I need the j-cups in the first hole after that spacing... So the only use for the 1" spacing is fine tuning my spotter arms...

[@BasementBrandon]

Damn it!

[@theprofitableperson]

🔥 REVIEW...For me... an inch higher or lower for Bench safety is life and death decision. Especially if you want to actually get gains on bench. Love the Lite and PR4000 options for this.

[@BasementBrandon]

Right on

[@johndim11]

Great video Brandon. Do you miss the option of having the plate storage on the rack as in your previous setup?

[@BasementBrandon]

It's a nice convenience for sure. I have some plate storage on the bottom currently, just don't use it. If I had the space I think I would go six post again.

[@Pler1978]

@@BasementBrandon i converted an rml into half rack so that can have plate storage. Plate storage is very important!!

[@jay.rhoden]

I was worried about getting the skinner rack, as I was worried it'd feel too small inside, but ultimately I shouldn't have worried, the smaller footprint works for me, I am not that tall and can even OHP inside the lite rack.

[@BasementBrandon]

Right on!

[@maximuskingryan4661]

Any thoughts on RM6/RML6 for two people working on at the same time not bolted down. Have you heard of Rogue letting you upgrade your 24” section to 43” on the RM6 /RML6?

[@BasementBrandon]

You can def request it, would just come at an up charge. If you want to have both people being able to train inside the cage, that's prob the best option. If you can have someone on the outside, you can just grab some spotter arms. You could also consider getting the dual half rack.

[@FreedomWolfGaming]

Hey Brandon! Short time viewer here, first time caller..... I really dig this video, since in the search for the half rack series I wondered, why is he wanting that hardware? So. Here's my question, and thus a continuation of this whole shebang. What are the Pros / Cons to the different types of safeties you see commonly offered - pin/pipe, strap, flip down? Then, what REALLY is the difference between the J-cups. maybe I just haven't seen the different ones in person, but they all seem greek to me. Cheers.

[@BasementBrandon]

I have a dedicated video on why I prefer safety straps, but in the long run, the answer is it depends on what you want. Pipes/pins offer you a cheap easy option, but can be tough to adjust due to weight, and they can also bend over time (or bend your bar with drops). Straps offer less of a chance of damaging the bar and will never bend themselves. You can also offset them to control where the bar goes when you fail (forward/backward/center). Flip down offer the benefits of pins, but almost always have UHMW padding on them to protect your bar some. Might be a good topic for a video.

[@mamatthe1]

rm-4 or 6 is the only rack to get since you can get the flip down safeties, the only safeties rogue offers that will not void your bar's warranty.

[@BasementBrandon]

Is that written on the site?

[@mamatthe1]

@@BasementBrandon implicitly, yes. the warranty info for the bars states that drops on straps and pins void the warranty. the exercise descriptions that go along for each do not suggest repeated and intentional dropping are recommended. the flip downs, on the other hand, they full on invite you to do rack pulls without any damage to your bar. this combined with the fact the flip downs are not listed as a warranty exclusion unlike all other safety systems explicitly are.

[@BasementBrandon]

@@mamatthe1 Well to be fair, you're not dropping the bar on rack pulls either (or shouldn't be) right?

[@mamatthe1]

​@@BasementBrandon Granted. Bent bars probably aren't common but it was a big reason for my purchase. All that money on a nice bar and I can't get a warranty claim on it because I dropped it on straps or a pin instead of the flip downs.

[@bellzg9045]

Great videos! I’m having a difficult time deciding between the RML-490C and RM-4! What made you change to the RM-4? I’m too tall to overhead press in the RML-490C but the extra few inches in the RM-4 would allow it. However, the higher price on the RM-4, the higher accessory prices, the less steel due to more holes (does this remove from the RM-4’s durability?), and lack of facelift for the RM-4 2.0 which last occurred in 2017 compared to the RML-490C 3.0 which occurred in 2019 are making me hesitant :s Any extra points to help me make the decision?

[@BasementBrandon]

It's really personal preference. The RML line is a lot closer to the RM line than in the past. Biggest difference is just the finish quality on some of the attachments.

[@bellzg9045]

Brandon Campbell Diamond thanks! Was there a reason why you changed to Monster from Monster Lite?

[@BasementBrandon]

@@bellzg9045 I did a bunch of videos on it, but for me I wanted the better customization options (which the new RML actually offers) and the beefier attachments.

[@dasdos002]

This was an excellent question. I should of definitely considered the 490c 3.0 over the 390F. I just didn’t want to pay the extra money for the 490. But the extra depth and numbers would of been worth the upgrade. Maybe I’ll flip the 390 one day and go for the gun metal 490. To me that is the best rack they have to offer! I’m coming from a PR 1100 that had 1 inch hardware. I do miss the one inch hardware for sure but it’s not worth the extra couple hundred bucks when you’re spending already so much

[@mannyaponte]

I have an RML fold up rack because I thought I would fold it up to bring a car in. That did not happen and I am thinking about the two racks that you mentioned. Is your thinking (comparison) still the same since it's been a few years since you posted and price due to Inflation has gone up. There is another rack now the RM-43 which seems like overkill to me.

[@BasementBrandon]

Yes same thought as previously. They're similar racks but I prefer the beefier attachments. The 4x3 is overkill and doesn't have many accessories available for it.

[@ChrisOram]

built a garage gym because of you fam

[@BasementBrandon]

Haha awesome. Does this mean I get free membership?!

[@HiddenSoulsMusic]

Great video my dude. I'll check both racks. Respect

[@BasementBrandon]

Thanks boss!

[@78shibum]

Do you notice a difference in the stability or sturdiness of the attachments going from 5/8 in bolts vs 1 in bolts? For example, with the j-cups, do you find that the 1 inch bolts make a difference when you rack the barbell on the monster rack vs the 5/8 inch bolts in the monster lite?

[@BasementBrandon]

I find the monster ones to be more stable but more b/c the inside has UHMW which makes for a tighter fit.

[@abnercarrera]

Going to order the RM4. I think being able to order other accessories from other companies is a big advantage. One holes does that for you. Buy once, cry once!

[@BasementBrandon]

True that.

[@futbol1972]

So I can use titan 1" hardware on rogue? I have lots of titan 5/8 attachments so I guess I could buy the adapters to make them 1"???

[@futbol1972]

What other companies accesories fit the rm3 monster 2.0???

[@zacharybenzio2968]

Which rack do you think is the safest and most sturdy. Looking to do bench, squat, cleans etc? Thanks!

[@BasementBrandon]

Hard to answer that as there are so many.

[@zacharybenzio2968]

I was debating between the RM-4 monster or the RML 490. The RML has the stabilization bar but the monster has thicker pins for attachments. Since I'll mostly be working out alone I was thinking of safety (since both can have similar attachments)

[@rickviramontes2317]

Brandon, since u have owned both the Monster Lite Safety Straps and now the Monster Safety Straps, do you notice the Monster series are allot more taut? I own the ML Safety Straps and the amount of slack is ridiculously excessive. To the point I feel it's an engineering flaw since your absolutely forced to offset them front to back and often times with the bar coming back towards your face on bench press, (since the J-Cups prevent from going higher on those uprights.) I truly do feel they invest more time/effort into the Monster series.

[@BasementBrandon]

To be honest, I'm not sure if it's a Monster vs Monster Lite thing, or just some straps are sewn a big shorter. That being said, I do like the current ones I have as my old ones did have a lot more slack, but moving these up and down is more of a pain b/c I can only move them 3-4 holes before having to go and move the other post side to catch up.

[@derekw9405]

I didnt realize that monster jcups have plastic lining on both sides. I realize this will reduce wear on the rack but more importantly do you think it reduces noise in the gym? I ask because I like to train when my family is still asleep and I want to keep clanging and banging to a minimum. If its enough of a difference that may be a deciding factor for me.

[@BasementBrandon]

It does slightly, what makes more of a difference is the plates and hole tolerance IMO

[@garydunnjr8176]

It appears that the monster rack has a smaller footprint? True?

[@BasementBrandon]

Gary Dunn Jr same footprint but the monster offers varying height.

[@kindafatkindastrong5683]

Just the thumbnail haha monster pic is closer

[@doseofreality100]

If you're saying this judging from his old rack it's because this rack is a 4 post rack whereas his RML was a 6 post rack. The Monster and Monster Lite racks are the same in pretty much every way except for the obnoxiously large hardware for the Monster line. As for accessories.... I am pretty sure the RML line has all the same accessories as the Monster line - you just have to wait longer for them to release it to the RML line after the release it to the Monster line. My point.... the Monster line just isn't worth the added cost. If you like the aesthetics though... might be for you but that is literally the only true thing that separates the two lines. yes you can get the monster racks in 8.33 and 9 foot high options but who has ceilings that high to accommodate that? my garage has the ability to juuust fit the 100" uprights but if I had them I'd be head butting the ceiling on every pull up. I damn near do that with my RML-490 at 90" high (7.5 feet). That said... pretty sure upon checkout you can just request them to send you 100 or 108" uprights instead of the standard 90" the RML comes with... at an additional cost. And really, while the accessories they offer are pretty cool the only ones I could ever see using/ buying are the dip station and their pullup bar selections. everything else is cool...... but completely unnecessary. You can get their dip station and PU bars on any rack line though. Landmine attachments.... cool.... but do you have a corner in your room? yes. there is your landmine "attachment."

[@BacktotheOutdoors]

@@BasementBrandon - they do not have the same footprint, assuming we are referring to the freestanding models. The Monster 390F has a footprint of 54" x 50", and the Monster Lite 390F has a footprint of 48" by 49".

[@illestdomer2005]

Brandon have you seen/used the Bulldog pad from Sorinex? I would love to buy that pad-I think-but currently only have a SML-2, and obviously it won’t fit the RML line. You mentioned Sorinex attachments in your video, but have you found any 3x3 1” hw products that DIDN’T fit with Rogue?

[@BasementBrandon]

Haven't had my hands on it, the only attachments that might be an issue are ones that use the front and side mounting points (like the jammer arms) as Rogues are offset and Sorinex's are not.

[@katieurban31]

Super helpful video. Any insights about The RML-3WC FOLD BACK WALL MOUNT RACK vs the monster version? You think the weight difference would be significant in terms of ease when folding it up daily? Thanks.

[@BasementBrandon]

Not at all. just more about the attachments at that point

[@BacktotheOutdoors]

For those comparing the freestanding models...After spending considerable time going over the details of the Monster 390F and Monster Lite 390F, the major differences are: 1) Rack Depth. The Monster only gives you 24 inches. You get 30 inches with the Monster Lite. This is a bonus for the Monster Lite, especially considering that the overall footprint on the Monster Lite is smaller, yet you still get more rack depth to walkout for squats. 2) Laser engraved holes on the Monster. This is a bonus for the Monster if you plan on moving pins frequently. Personally, I keep the hooks in the same spot when doing overhead presses and squats, so those only get moved when I do bench. As far as the safety pins, those also stay in the same spot for me. I don't do rack pulls or exercises that require frequent moving of the safety pins. YMMV. In any case, if you move either of those up and down frequently, you can make your own markings on the Monster Lite. Advantage for the Monster, but only in certain scenarios. 3) Appearance. Clearly a win for the Monster. It looks like a nicer rack. 4) Value - this is a clear win for the Monster Lite. The Monster is $416 more, before you add the additional tax. The Monster Lite is a deal at $795. 5) Attachments - based on what I've read online (take that with a grain of salt), Rogue releases attachments for the Monster first, then later on they release them for the Monster Lite. However, at this point virtually every attachment you could want has been released for the Monster Lite. If you're still looking for more attachments, you're probably needlessly spending money. In another comment someone mentioned the rotating pull-up bar isn't available for the Monster Lite. At $445, this is the most overpriced attachment Rogue makes, by a factor of 10. I suspect they haven't released it for the Monster Lite because it isn't selling well. If there were high demand, they'd be making it for the Monster Lite. Most people who pick the Monster probably like the way it looks, and it "feels" like a nicer rack. Aesthetically speaking, it is nicer, but taking into account everything above, the Monster Lite is a better deal for 90% of people building a home gym. If the Monster had the same 30" depth and was only say $200 more, then it would be a harder decision.

[@BasementBrandon]

Good overview. I also think it depends on what you're looking at. You can get into the monster line with some of the Fortis options for very low pricing.

[@BacktotheOutdoors]

Brandon Campbell Diamond - agreed, the bolt-down Monster line looks like a much better value than the freestanding Monster. I’m surprised they priced the RM 390F at $1,211.

[@octaviuscastillo7297]

I thought the rml series was used 2x3 tubing? In any case I've noticed with the monster series, on a squat walkout I tend to hit the sides of the rack but it doesn't happen with a smaller rack or even a squat stand. This might be an issue for competitors or just heavy squatters.

[@BasementBrandon]

The infinity series is 2x3 and the r series is 2x3. Rogues 3x3 stuff is 49” wide and def can take some getting used to!

[@LONGFITNESS]

Going back and forth between the rml 690c or rm 6 2.0 The rml is less expensive and the update has laser cut numbers throughout. Looking at about $500 difference. Would I be missing out that much not going with the rm 6? Rogue makes the same accessories for both, yes?

[@BasementBrandon]

I don't think so. Some actually prefer the RML b/c of westside spacing in bench area, where as others prefer the beefier attachments of the RM

[@LONGFITNESS]

@@BasementBrandon thanks for the reply 👍

[@matthewklugh6119]

I never thought about how much steel is taken out with the howles and numbers with the monster series, Rogue just told me that the 90" rm6 weighs 20 lbs more than the rml are the bolts really that much bigger?

[@BasementBrandon]

Yes, I'd say 2-3x more in weight.

[@cavechav]

Hi Brendon, can you tell us what you think about the satin clear and stainless still versions of Rogue racks? Do they require less maintenance, are they worth it?

[@BasementBrandon]

They're aesthetically pleasing but that's it. NO benefit otherwise for 99% of people.

[@ytano5782]

From construction stability point of view, the 1“ hardware doesn‘t really matter. But I really like the more solid accessories. But I own only the ML, because the M ist extreme expensive in EU.

[@BasementBrandon]

Makes sense.

[@branden9]

From your experience with RML and RM racks, how much of a difference have you noticed that the UHMW lining on the back of the RM accessories make in protecting the rack? I am looking at buying a “forever” rack and was trying to see how much of a factor it was. I know the rack will get banged up regardless but if I’m spending all that $$$ I want to try to keep it in as decent shape as I can.

[@BasementBrandon]

Still going to get dinged regardless. I just like the beefiness of the RM line and accessories.

[@ZerkReaper]

Sees a brandon campbell video gives a like

[@BasementBrandon]

you da real mvp

[@875daily]

What is the difference between the 490 and 490 C Monster Lite? .. and is the squat area 43" depth? They both are 5/8 hardware with 1" spacing. The 490C is the new version maybe?

[@BasementBrandon]

the C denotes you can get different colors.

[@monserohit]

Hey you mentioned the monster line with holes on all sides of the post. What do I need to know in terms of comparability between one companies accessories and another's? And are the size of the holes standard?

[@BasementBrandon]

No not always

[@stefinatrix3426]

I wish the RML used the same safety strap design as the Monster rack.

[@BasementBrandon]

Really? I wish it were the other way around!

[@stefinatrix3426]

@@BasementBrandon Rogue isn't happy unless everyone is unhappy! :)

[@1neomonkey]

What's the main difference between the Rogue R3 vs the Rogue RM3? The RM3 is twice as much, but I don't get why?

[@BasementBrandon]

size of the rack and attachments.

[@broodfusion]

so if you want the versatility of attachments from other manufacturers, consider RM? I'm debating on getting RM3 vs RM390C so thanks for the video!

[@BasementBrandon]

You can still adapt RML to other brands assuming 5/8” hardware. Just won’t find as many in my experience.

[@danielkimball3037]

Was doing some research on the monster rack and now see on the we site that they have a RM43 rack which has 4x3 steel...as well as 7 gauge steel? Talk about overkill....will this one be compatible with all the monster accessories or is this going to be a totally different animal?

[@BasementBrandon]

Totally different.

[@tracker4854]

I’ve never been near a rogue brand rack. I’m planning on buying the R-3 power rack. I don’t lift heavy, just medium. I usually use the rack at my gym for dips, pull ups, push ups on the bar, squats, and bench press. I’m 180lbs and like I said I don’t lift more than 50 lbs on each side of the bar. Think this rack will be sturdy enough? Any input is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

[@BasementBrandon]

Yes but you'll need to bolt it down.

[@tracker4854]

@@BasementBrandon got it. Are there bases or platforms made specifically for these kind of things? I don’t want to bolt it into my actual garage floor. Sorry bro I’m a newbie at this. Thank you so much

[@BasementBrandon]

@@tracker4854 You can bolt to a platform but these racks are made to be bolted into concrete floors.

[@devonpeters9458]

Thanks for the great video. I’m looking at a used Monster Lite HR-2 half rack. Any thoughts on being able to heavy squat/bench solo with the squatter arms? I would prefer a full power rack, but they’re selling that with a rogue bar, 260lb of bumper plates and a bench for 1k. Seems like a decent deal...mostly looking for something to lift heavy/solo at home

[@BasementBrandon]

You can do a lot with that rack... including flip it down the road for most of what you paid for it if you ever want to upgrade.

[@devonpeters9458]

Brandon Campbell Diamond thanks so much for the quick response! I’ll take that as it’ll be ok to do some heavy lifts solo with it...looking forward to watching some more videos of yours

[@dustinmcd91]

West side spacing for life

[@BasementBrandon]

Don't even miss it TBH

[@dcarterc]

Hey Brandon, in your opinion are the sandwich J-Cups worth the price over the regular J-cups that come with the RML rack? Not sure if this is a good upgrade or not? Thanks man love the videos!

[@BasementBrandon]

I've enjoyed using the sandwich ones, but I feel they take up more space than the tried and true regular cups. I don't think you'll find too much difference if you had both side by side though, so it just depends on if you want better protection for your bar/cups

[@dcarterc]

@@BasementBrandon very helpful thanks Brandon!

[@futbol1972]

How u doing bro. Hey do u know if the titan attachments 5/8 will fit rogue RML-3 rack, i think they do but but 100% sure. Iam thinkimg about buying a RML-3 rack to drop in my standalone rhino. I already have lots of titan x3, 5/8" attachments.

[@BasementBrandon]

Most will fit, where you get issues is if you're mounting things that require multiple uprights, or holes (like the titan roller cups)

[@futbol1972]

​@@BasementBrandonhey brandon i do have the titan 5/8" titan roller j u cups, if decide to get the monstwr 2.0 i can get the 5/5 to1" adapters to use them. Ima dropping rhino in racknbut stillndeciding between the lite and the one with 1" holes.

[@alvarocalle777]

Do you think the RML 390F would be compatible with a monster lite slinger? If not is there any way to convert the flat foot to bolt down?

[@BasementBrandon]

It would be a pain in the ass, would have to get a new crossmember up top to allow for the cable to pass through. You also need to anchor it to the bottom feet, which prob wouldn't be as big of a deal.

[@xeej8186]

Hi Brandon, do you have any knowledge on shipping difference between 5/8" vs 1" hardware? The Monster Line doesn't ship to my location while the Lite does.

[@BasementBrandon]

Are you outside of the US by chance? It could just be the local distributor doesn't carry the item you're looking for.

[@xeej8186]

@@BasementBrandon Yes, I'm located overseas (should have opened with that, sorry)

[@andrewlipnick8131]

What are your thoughts on the infinity series? I know you've never owned one but I'm curious about your opinion if you have one.

[@grahamsmith3986]

I have the r-3 and really don’t have any complaints. I have been able to get all the accessories I need as well

[@BasementBrandon]

Have used the R-3 and it's a great rack! They are all more than enough for most people!

[@andrewlipnick8131]

@@BasementBrandon so then when would you recommend a monster or rml over that if it's more than enough?

[@BasementBrandon]

@@andrewlipnick8131 If you want top of the line or are going into a more commercial type setting. Where as the Monster>RML for accessories, the Echo and Infinity lines offer even less options in that regard.

[@doseofreality100]

Commercial gyms rock 2x2 tubing racks and they stand the test of time. I think the infinity line is actually 2x3 tubing so... yeah. you'll more than likely be happy with it. But.... if you're looking at rogue, look how they price their infinity and RML line. A Rogue R-4 (infinity) rack Is listed at $960. An RML-490 is listed at $983... and if you're like me who waited until black Friday you can snag it for $900 (and even more savings with shipping during that time especially if you buy everything you need.... want). R-6 rack.... $1495 RML-690.... $1568 If cost is your hangup you might as well go for the RML line. The RML racks are less than $100 more than their R- series (infinity) counterparts. Hell the 4 post racks are separated by 23 measly dollars.

[@andyaranda2460]

By any chance do you know if you can add the Rep Lat attachment to the Rogue monster since they both use the 1 inch bolts? I’m looking at the Rep PR-5000 v2 just because it has that budget lat attachment but would rather get the rogue monster rack. Was just wondering if you’d think they’d be compatible

[@BasementBrandon]

You cannot. Different widths and heights.

[@MH-yp6wg]

Are there any racks in the Monster-Series-Uprights-Config (3x3", 11 gauge steel) that use 1" hardware AND have the westside hole spacing?

[@BasementBrandon]

No. I would assume the size of the holes and their proximity might compromise the integrity of the steel.

[@MH-yp6wg]

@@BasementBrandon well I thought so as well. Thx for the reply. So, is there a problem with 5/8" hardware, stability-wise? Sturdy enough even for commercial use, or is 1" the way to go? Does 1" have a real advantage?

[@BasementBrandon]

@@MH-yp6wg 5/8 is more than enough!

[@MH-yp6wg]

@@BasementBrandon Well... if you really wanted to have that westside hole spacing, you could use the lowered J-cups from rep fitness, right? www.repfitness.com/strength-equipment/power-racks/pr-5000-lowered-j-cups-pair-v2 Then the only question is, can the safety straps be arranged in a way to also simulate that 1" hole spacing. Then, the only disadvantage of the monster-Line vs monster lite would be gone.

[@3DAerobatix]

Hi Brandon, thanks for all the info and education. Are there any accessories that actually require a keyhole that the Monster series offers on the side of the vertical members? Also, what would you really need a 6 post rack for besides installing a belt squat and for plate storage?

[@BasementBrandon]

Not from what I've seen I bought some monster rack plate storage pins that you get the option to choose key holes or not, I opted for them but wish I didn't as now I can only mount them on the sides.

[@AaronKnudson1974]

So I committed to the monster light and now I have pangs of regret. I suppose nothings holding me back from changing it up after five or so years. Not to mention this is probably a great time to sell :-)

[@BasementBrandon]

Why the regret?

[@AaronKnudson1974]

Brandon Campbell Diamond A little hyperbole on my part. It’s just I noticed for an additional $300 I could’ve gotten laser engraved numbers which would’ve been really nice including the ability to upgrade to the monster components. I still love my monster light regardless :-)

[@Ziggy21142]

Looking to get my first home gym, I squat, box squats, ohp, bench and deadlift. Is the rogue rml -490 power rack a good choice you think?

[@BasementBrandon]

Def can do all that and more in there.

[@adamsteinberg9271]

Great videos... I picked a bad time to start building my first home garage gym (limited supply across the board)... but with my low ceiling height i have to go with a squat stand. Is the Monster SM-1 2.0 worth the difference compared to the the lite version? Can you still add attachments (and will it hold...im 6’1 175) to the SM 1 2.0 Monster Squat Stand?

[@BasementBrandon]

I think most people might actually prefer the RML version for the westside spacing. The squat stands are all nice, but they don't suggest using most of the attachments on them, so kind of defeats the benefit of the monster line.

[@mikeh1687]

What size are the actual holes on the monster lite series? Do they run a hair over 5/8” diameter for a tighter fit or closer to 11/16”?

[@BasementBrandon]

right at 5/8

[@mikeh1687]

Brandon Campbell Diamond Thanks for the quick response! What are the 1” diameter holes on the topside & bottom-side of the lower crossmember on the monster lite meant to be used for? Also about how high does that crossmember sit off the ground when it’s mounted? After watching all of your videos on the monster/monster lite series I’m leaning toward getting the monster lite, just trying to get a few more details.

[@BasementBrandon]

@@mikeh1687 Those are for the Monster Lite Slinger.

[@robertbaltierra4415]

Is it possible/necessary to get extra supports for plate storage? Or do you just keep plates attached at the bottom?

[@BasementBrandon]

You can get more if you want.

[@johnslover8079]

Great video! I’m going to order the same rack what height did you get? I’m not sure if I should get the 90’ or the 100’ Thank you!

[@BasementBrandon]

I got the 90", I think in my space 100" wouldn't give me an ideal clearance.

[@hines88]

What is the function of the keyholes as opposed to regular ones?

[@BasementBrandon]

Some use it as a way to stop things from rotating without over tightening, cut you could also use some smaller hardware items.

[@CaptainCookie18]

I ordered the R-3 and I noticed it says “choose rig” “infinity or monster lite” why is that?

[@BasementBrandon]

Not sure. The standard r3 is considered infinity (2x3). Monster lite is 3x3.

[@newhorizonathletics6478]

In a free standing rig setting, could you tie in monster light uprights to the monster uprights?

[@BasementBrandon]

Bolts/holes are different. You could do it with some ingenuity/drilling, but don't see why you'd want to.

[@mariasa9401]

Hi Brandon, nice video. Can you please help me finding the right rack where I can add lever arms and utility seat for leg press? Sorinex has a utility seat that attaches between the lever arms to use as a leg press. Now, I was wondering if I could have the same thing with a Rogue power rack (like the RM3), lever arms, and utility seat. Also, if I end up getting the Sorinex lever arms, which Rogue power rack should I get?

[@BasementBrandon]

I think Titan has one too.

[@mariasa9401]

@@BasementBrandon Thank you for your prompt reply! Yes, I just found that out. But would either the Titan or Sorinex utility seats fit on the the Rogue (Monster lever arms) to use for leg press? I was told that the Rogue utility seat is not recommended for such use purpose. Do you agree?

[@BasementBrandon]

@@mariasa9401 Prob not as they're different width racks.

[@mariasa9401]

@@BasementBrandon Thank you very much for your help

[@aqgoodman]

anyone know if the Monster Lite Adjustable Monolift would fit a Monster Rig, even with the smaller 5/8 hardware?

[@BasementBrandon]

It would shift all over the place.

[@kieranwhitton-booth5354]

Hey Brandon, I'm opening a small fitness facility and aiming to be the premium training facility around my area with proper equipment (Ohio Power Bars, Rogue machined plates, high-quality power racks etc.) I'm looking to put about 5 racks in the facility, which would you recommend?

[@BasementBrandon]

Are you looking for standalone racks or would a rig be more in line?

[@kieranwhitton-booth5354]

Brandon Campbell Diamond Stabdalone racks, most likely with plate storage unless I just got plate trees instead but I think that would be more annoying for the members

[@BasementBrandon]

@@kieranwhitton-booth5354 The easy answer if you want people attending to think it's high quality would be Rogue, as it's prob the most popular/well known brand right now. You wouldn't have to go top of the line and could go infinity racks (2x3) and still have commercial grade quality.

[@Pler1978]

@@BasementBrandon doesn't really commercial grade if want to impress people and have a good budget a row of monster racks perhaps a row of monster half racks or double sided half racks if space is tight. R3 is a good home gym rack.

[@orlandogarcia5568]

Do you feel the rack needs to be bolted to the floor? For the RM3.

[@BasementBrandon]

No but I think you need something to stabilize it still.

[@mizzo011]

I would not get either of them. Get an infinity rack. The 2x3 tubing is better for clearance and 3x3 is way overkill. You can't go wrong with a Rouge R-3 Power Rack for your home, or even if you're starting a commercial gym.

[@Xplora213]

mizzo011 I hope you're right 😂

[@BasementBrandon]

The R3 is fantastic, but that doesn't mean the RML or RM isn't the right fit for a person. Really depends on what they want.

[@nelsonsoares1144]

Hey Brandon great video. Do you know if rogue will come out with the monster feet for the lite version?

[@BasementBrandon]

I'm not sure TBH, I think it depends on how they sell.

[@DavidTran-hf3hn]

so whats the diffrence between this and the rogue fortis rack ?

[@BasementBrandon]

Fortis have welded panels

[@batsy3763]

Love your vids man. Quick question though. Since you can't bolt your rack down do you ever have any issues with it skidding on the ground? Cause you lift monster weight.

[@BasementBrandon]

No issues at all!

[@noahbaker8941]

Hey Brandon, I'm currently working with $70 independent stands, at what point should I upgrade to something like a squat stand with safeties? Or is even that enough? Thanks, I'm new to your channel and I'm really enjoying it.

[@BasementBrandon]

The sooner the better IMO, but that's only my opinion. With stands you're limited in the exercises you can do, but most importantly they're not as safe.

[@noahbaker8941]

@@BasementBrandon thanks

[@MH-yp6wg]

Is the monster series still available in 7 guage steel?

[@BasementBrandon]

They have a 4x3 version that is.

[@edog92374]

What do you prefer this rack or rep fitness half rack

[@BasementBrandon]

It depends on the use and the space

[@Matt34677]

I have a Rogue RM-4 and it's a beast of a rack. As far as quality it really can't be beat. Looking back though I probably would've gone with the R3 and saved a thousand dollars. If money isn't an option though it's great.

[@BasementBrandon]

Right on!

[@reginaldchesterfield8110]

Thanks for this video, i was wondering why your blue RML rack was switched, now I know haha.

[@BasementBrandon]

No problem!

[@anthonyfranklin7137]

Me, watching this video: "Excellent points, you really do get what you pay for. Nothing is too good for your workout success " Also me: "So here is my custom rack made from framing lumber during the 2020 lockdown"

[@BasementBrandon]

Lol

[@mikeferretti4315]

Does the white rack get nicked up or scratched easy?

[@BasementBrandon]

Nope!

[@mikeferretti4315]

@@BasementBrandon thank you. I currently have the RM 4 100” in gun metal. I just sold it and am getting the RM3 90” in white. I moved and need a smaller footprint and shorter rack. I like the look of the white.

[@monserohit]

Hey Brandon how do I choose between a 30" or a 49" depth rack? Thanks

[@BasementBrandon]

Do you mean 43"? really comes down to your space and preference.

[@monserohit]

@@BasementBrandon this is my first rack and I could accomodate either. I don't really have the specific measurements for the rack but it's a 49*49 or

[@monserohit]

Is the 30" good enough though?

[@VV-om8vv]

thanks for this, i was on the fence

[@BasementBrandon]

No problem!

[@cetatlanta]

Are you still happy with white? Would you do it again? I'm looking to upgrade to the RM6 from the R6. I'm deciding between black, white and light gray.

[@BasementBrandon]

I like it, has held up nicely!

[@stephenc9142]

@brandon what diet program did you just finish up?

[@BasementBrandon]

Renaissance Periodization app.

[@stephenc9142]

@@BasementBrandon thanks for the info brother

[@ultimaetsolder]

Wow those nuts/bolts hardware are huge.

[@BasementBrandon]

Heavy hitters