Basic Teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses

[@tamarakaye4651]

Thank you! As a former (born in) JW and now a born again believer in Jesus. I applaud your teaching efforts!

[@prescillasabalbarino2292]

Tamara Kaye UR IN THE TRUTH AND CONVERT TO A FALSE TEACHING OF TRINITY? WOW, SHOULD I FEEL SORRY FOR U? NAH! LIKE SATAN, ADAM, EVE AND JUDAS ISCARIOT....U REALLY FOLLOW THEIR COURSES, AND ITS TOO BAD

[@renniekufakunesu6254]

Prescilla Sabalbarino what really makes me doubt the witnesses is that their doctrines were there before their bible. so the bible was written to suit doctines. rather than the trinity, the bible was there first before the whole ideology of the trinity

[@tamarakaye4651]

Prescilla Sabalbarino what's false was 1975. Armageddon never came. My sister did not get out of her wheelchair "in a few short months" liked they promised when they wheeled her on stage. I need not be afraid of false prophets.

[@lilcrouton8208]

That is sooo Christ like of you there ......

[@phizzelout]

praise God

[@debrasadler3780]

These teachings are always so full of grace. So well researched. It’s obvious the goal is to offer to anyone who doesn’t know Christ can be given that opportunity. Christians need to do some SERIOUS soul searching AND endless tireless study of scripture. Thank you.

[@karincampbell9289]

Grace is a hard concept for many. Very few things in this life are free, and often come with a " but," so believing in the free gift of Grace seems hard to grasp, as we feel we have to do something in order to really get something for free.

[@animationfan957]

Bless be our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ! Keep exposing the lies and spread the Gospel! ❤️🙏

[@Rick_Alden]

Hi Tim, I've practically been raised as a JW but I want you to know that I appreciate your discourses! You don't take a mocking attitude but keep things down to Earth and logical. I think we can be friends! I'm amazed at how you've studied the Witnesses in depth and have made a theological analysis from what I consider to be an objective standpoint. You even complimented the Witnesses on certain things! I like to consider theological arguments myself but most importantly I want to become a more loving Christian. It breaks my heart, however, that the organization I once considered to be loving has become, what some have called, a 'reformed Jewish movement', where laws and Talmudic traditions have prevailed over mercy and forgiveness ('I want mercy and not sacrifice'). We will have answered in ourselves all theological questions when we die, at the latest, and the 'moment of truth' arrives. In the meantime if we haven't lived a life of love our lives have been in vain. I like your perspective of things and I believe JWs have made a significant contribution to theology to which you have granted a degree of recognition. It is a pleasure to listen to you although I would like to add things from my perspective as a JW (a somewhat 'rebellious' one I might add). Whatever opportunity this life may grant us, however, I wish that we all grow in Christian love and religious tolerance where only perspective is at issue. In the end, only God is the Judge and we appeal to Him for our final judgement. May you have peace and keep up your good work in Christ. I, for one, appreciate it!

[@TimMartin]

Thanks for your kindness.

[@attielukanyo9723]

Dear Tim, I follow your very enlightening video on Trinity. However, I just fell on a few questions that someone called Tooty asked Dr. James and felt that I would struggle to answer them myself.... Please find his questions below and see if you could make some comments that may direct Christians in answering these sort of questions: "Dear Dr.James I can see that the father and Jesus are each "God", but when it comes to "Holy Spirit", I am really not sure and would like your assistance in clarifying how the Holy Spirit is really "God" in the same way or manner as Jesus or the Father is "God". My main concern here is that the bible says much more about the Father and Jesus than it does of the Holy Spirit (beyond just stating that they are each "God"): Take for example the fact that in addition to calling spiritual entities that we must honor and worship(Yahweh and Jesus) "God", not only does the bible explicitly command us to honor, glorify and worship them, but it also tells us that they each (distinctively / each in his own right) "created all things", hence worthy of worship from all intelligent beings that they are "each" said to have created (angels and humans). and i have three key questions that I would like answered: 1. Both the father and the Son are each (in his own right) "explicitly" said to have "created all things": Father: Revelation 4:11; Job 38:4-41; Isaiah 45:18.....Jesus Christ: John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17. Where exactly does the bible explicitly state (as explicitly as it does of the father and of the Son) that the 3rd entity in our triune God, the "Holy Spirit" created something let alone "creating all things" to suggest that he too deserves any kind of worship (from his creatures)? if there is no such scripture, but such scriptures are easily found for the father and the son, is that not an indication that we should never, be praying to or worshiping the Holy Spirit, especially given that it is the Holy Spirit himself, who directly inspired the bible and should have included that statement in it to help us worship him, right? 2. Throughout the bible, we are explicitly told/encouraged even commanded to honor, glorify and/or worship the Father and the Son ( more often for the father than for the son as the son himself prays to the father) and examples of God fearing people entreating or worshiping either the father or the Son are abundantly available in the scriptures ( for the father: Matthew 6:9-10; Matthew 4:10; John 17:1-5.......For Jesus: John 5:23; Philippians 2:9-11; Hebrews 1:6; John 20:28.....); Where exactly does the bible encourage us to glorify, honor or worship the Holy Spirit? Can you help me find one single example in the bible where true Christian(s) in the first century prayed to or worshiped the Holy Spirit? If we can't, what should that say about trinity? Should we believe that early first century Christians prayed to the Holy Spirit and yet the Holy Spirit inspired them to only record examples of worship for the father and for the son? Or should we rather conclude that trinity was only introduced after the same Holy Spirit itself had completed the inspiration of the holy scriptures without requesting any Christians to worship him? 3. Since the Holy Spirit is "God" or an entity in "God" (in the same way as Jesus or Yahweh i.e of no less equality to the father or the Son) that we must also worship as we do the father and Jesus, each in his own right ...would you mind explaining please why this 3rd entity in God is missing in key scriptures that convey the idea of divinity and worship? Please consider the following examples: A. Revelation 5:11-14: Please explain where the Holy Spirit had gone, when the father and the son were being worshiped together at Revelation 5:11-14: where was the 3rd entity in God to also receive worship?.... Revelation Chapter 4&5 in no uncertain terms shows the worship of the father and the son, each in his own right and also in Chapter 5 together, seating on the same throne... : where is the Holy Spirit (the 3rd entity in God) mentioned in that scripture? What good reasons could possibly explain his absence, if he is any kind of God in the same sense as the father and Jesus each are (i.e. an entity outside of the father and not to be viewed in the same way as our own spirit as indicated in 1 Corinthians 2:11)? We never praise or honor someone and then arrange separate honor or praise for his/her spirit, do we? Why does trinity compel us to do just that of God, when he said that the same way we relate to our spirits, is the same way that he too(Yahweh) relates to his Holy Spirit(1 Corinthians 2:11)? Could you help me here? B. According to Jesus himself at John 17:1-5; why must we know "the only true God", and Jesus Christ whom he sent (Isaiah 61:1-3) in order to gain eternal life, but not know the Holy Spirit? Why does Jesus leave out the knowledge of Holy Spirit (the 3rd entity in God) as being necessary for our salvation here? Did Jesus expect us to also know the Holy Spirit as we know him and his father in order to gain eternal life and yet he did not say so here in John 17:3? if yes, who then is to blame if some people do not see any need to worship the Holy Spirit or elevate the Holy Spirit in the same manner as is done of the Father or the Son? I.e. what condemnation could possibly come to those who accept the Holy Spirit only as a helper, teacher.....as introduced by Jesus and not any kind of God in the same manner as Jesus (for example), deserving of any worship? where exactly do we as Christians get the idea that failing to worship to Holy Spirit is the same as failing to worship God? C. Paul explained the order and line of authority and submission he wanted Christians in Corinth to abide by and follow from woman to God, the Almighty Yahweh(1 Corinthians 11:3); Please explain why the Holy Spirit is left out of this authority structure, while both God, the father and Jesus are clearly mentioned in this hierarchy.....????? I mean: did Paul want us to respect and worship the Holy Spirit as "God" in the same manner as Yahweh and Jesus, but left him out here? why then is the Holy Spirit therefore included in our triune God? what is the rationale for including him? Have early church father not gone out of what is written in the bible to include it? D. Daniel 7:13-14 and 1 Corinthians 15:27-28.....show that Jesus is "given" a kingdom until all things are subjected to him (Jesus). Then Jesus hands over the kingdom back to his God and father (1 Corinthians 15:27-28). Please tell me: why does it look like the father and the son are exchanging the kingdom, but the 3rd entity in our triune God, the Holy Spirit is left out in the dark? what is happening here? when will the turn of the Holy Spirit come? The 3 entities in God are equal, right?, and each worthy of worship and kingdom according to the concept of trinity, but only two are seen exchanging the kingdom between themselves in the bible, Yahweh having the Kingdom twice before the Holy Spirit had it even once? why? E. Perhaps the most compelling evidence against the inclusion of Holy Spirit as an entity in "God" or as being God in the same manner as Jesus or Yahweh is the book of Act 7:55-56 when Stephen, (notice was being stoned): "being full of Holy Spirit" gazed into "heaven" and saw "the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God".....Since Holy Spirit is omnipresent, he should have seen the Holy Spirit also on the left hand side of God, right? Please tell me: why did he not see the Holy Spirit in heaven (the dwelling place of our "triune God") standing at the left hand of "God" (don't know yet whether is this our triune God or the father)? what happened? Had the Holy Spirit descended to fill Stephen and blinded him to the extent that he could not see the 3rd entity in our triune God, but saw only the two other entities of the trinity? I am baffled here, because this event shows that Steven did not believe in any triune God at all! F. At 1 John 2:22-23, the King James Version (KJV) bible states: " 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also." A "liar" is not one who denies "the Holy Spirit" (as he does the other 2 entities in Godhead), but he who denies the father and/or the Son. Please explain why denying the Holy Spirit as God, is not a lie and yet it is a lie when it is done of the Father or the Son? If John believed that the Holy Spirit is a separate entity from the Father, or any kind of "God", equal to or in exactly "the same sense" as Jesus or the Father are each "God" or divine (entities independent of each other), he surely would also have included those who deny the Holy Spirit among liars, wouldn't he? Could you please explain these omissions for me? After looking at this evidence I am convinced just based on these few considerations that the worship of our triune God may actually be a form of Idolatry...and that 95% of all nominal Christians who believe in trinity (including myself at this stage), have been led astray! I hope that I am wrong Dr. James.....Please help clarify where I am going wrong! "

[@Scripture-Man]

Another excellent video. Thank you and God bless you, Mr Martin!

[@animationfan957]

Matthew 10:29-30 ”Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.” These verses clearly tells us that God is both omnipresent and omniscience.

[@johnfreeman8445]

tim thank you .i just listened to your vid on the trinity. i have been a jw 50 years .over the last year i have woken up and come to the same understanding of the trinity."species" .just by reading the bible and letting the holy spirit work in me .i am now fully awake and have a lovley relationship with jesus. i have always felt close to jesus even before i joined jws. over the years i have debated and made many fiends of born again christians. i have always felt a closenes to these friends. around a year ago i began to understand jesus words "all athority has been given me" "you will be witneses if me" john 5 :23--25 Romans 10 all those who call on the name of the lord(jesus) will be saved. i could go on.sufice to say i have now "got it" after 50 years i have a wonderfull relationship with jesus. problem i now have .wife and most family are jws.

[@johnfreeman8445]

to add i spelt friends as fiends ha ha sory .i might have thought they were fiends when we debated the trinity. i totaly agree tim .if jws call dont shut the door in the face .a man said to me once "you deny the divinity of my lord .go away " and slamed the door so hard ir nearly came off its hinges. he had the opportunity to help me wake up and blew it. i wish i could now remember his house number and go back and tell him ive found the true lord ..

[@cuttingedgetechsongsmovies9662]

You have never been a witness

[@cuttingedgetechsongsmovies9662]

A former Witness wouldn't even use the passages you used as an excuse for leaving..or maybe, you were not a true member

[@DonCamryn]

”You'll never get sick. You will never grow old. And you will never die." Although the above words come from the movie "Cocoon," they could have come from the Watchtower Society because this is the same thing they have been proclaiming for decades as part of "the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things." This very appealing prospect attracts many people to begin to study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses. It then sustains them as they eagerly wait for the fulfillment of this promise. But during the course of their study they get drawn into an illusionary concept involving the Watchtower organization that gradually takes over their decision-making process and even their conscience without them realizing it. It happens because of a mistake that everyone makes before they decide to become a Jehovah's Witness. “Captives of a Concept” It identifies both the concept and the mistake that causes people to become captives of it. The book also offers a few suggestions about how to help Jehovah's Witnesses correct their mistake and teach themselves the truth about their religion. The book is designed to help the reader understand the illusionary concept mentioned by former Governing Body member Raymond Franz in his “Crisis of Conscience,” which holds Jehovah's Witnesses captive by dominating and controlling how they think and act without them realizing it.. It explains how the leadership has been able to keep themselves (apparently) and millions of Jehovah's Witnesses convinced that "the Watchtower Society is God's organization no matter what the Bible says or what went on in the organization's history. Additional information: CaptivesOfaConcept.com

[@mrstanislavski100]

BROTHER, 2022 from MEXICO CITY...gracias 4 the videos. GOD BLESS!!!!

[@flatearthwatertownnewyork1141]

What do you know about the Firmament and waters?

[@karincampbell9289]

I spend many nights watching your KZbin videos, and have scripture written down in case the LDS or JW come a calling! I have learned so much from your teaching, and want to say thank you. Born and raised in a Bible believing church, and was lucky to have great leaders, providing a great Christian foundation as I was growing up. I used to avoid the JW and LDS at my door, but feel pretty confident when speaking with them after learning about their doctrine. Thank you for these teachings, and making it easy to understand!

[@TimMartin]

Wow, thanks for the encouragment Karin!

[@karincampbell9289]

@@TimMartin So many teachers not sharing the truth, and I appreciate you

[@petrovski1948]

Thank you. I have recently had several JWs come visit me over the last few weeks. I am no theologian but as a Christian I know enough to defend my faith but not enough to take on JWs. I have watched quite a few KZbin videos recently and learned lots of valuable scriptures and on the last visit to my home I asked two JWs " When did Jehova die?". "Never!" One of them replied. I took them to Revelation 2v8 in their NWT Bible and asked them "Who said this? If it wasn't Jehova, who you say never and could never die, then it must have been Jesus, who just referred to himself as The First and The Last. The First and The Last in the Old Testament is Jehova". They couldn't answer me but promised me they wouldn't be coming back regularly. My parting comment to them was "I will be praying for you". I find it so sad that people can get sucked in into these cults/false religions and yet they are so sincere. I pray the person of the Holy Spirit would brood over them and draw them to the real Jesus.

[@SoldatDuChristChannel]

Vert god job doing the research for yourself so you weren't deceived! Personally i point them to Deuteronomy 18:22 "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." and them show them all the false prophecies the watchtower has made, and there is alot, they even make these failures known within their website or app under "clarified beliefs" so tou can show them within their own material and they cant blame it on apostate lies, lol

[@morningglory9288]

I pray to the "True God" of the universe now as I do to Jesus, as there are conflicting scriptures in the bible referring to the love and the evil side of Jehovah.

[@evanwindom3265]

@@SoldatDuChristChannel Well said. It's easy for JWs to get into semantics and arguments over the application of various Greek terms. But it's hard to ignore when they're faced with facts. The WT's record of blown prophesies, the Australian Royal Commission, the blatant deceptions you can find in some of their publications... all call into question any claim that they are God's sole channel of communication. If they're hearing from God, why do they get it wrong? Once people figure out that the Governing Body isn't who they claim to be, the whole doctrinal house of cards collapses.

[@josephtucker9612]

If the early Christians believed the holy spirit was a person, part of the godhead, why did they wait until the Council of Constantinople in 381 A.D. to include it in the godhead? At the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. it was decided that the father and son was of the same substance but the holy spirit was not added until the Council of Constantinople in 381 A.D. Why wasn't the holy spirit added at least by 325 A.D. if the first century Christians believed the holy spirit was a person? These are some examples where the holy spirit, if it were a person, is not even recognized: (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him. If the holy spirit is a person involved in creation why was he not given credit for creating all things? (John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. If the holy spirit is a person why was he left out of the list. Only 2 persons are mentioned, the only true God, and Jesus. John 5:19-23 “Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son does also in like manner. 20 For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead up and makes them alive, so the Son also makes alive whomever he wants to. 22 For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son, 23 so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. The holy spirit gets excluded again. Why does it not say the holy spirit raises whomever he wants to? Doesn't the holy spirit have affection for the Son and shows him all the things he does? Why isn't there a relationship between the father/son and the holy spirit? Any relationship seems non-existent. Also the Son copies what he sees the Father is doing but the Father does not copy what the Son does. 2 John 9 Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son. You either do not have God or you have both the Father and the Son. If the holy spirit were a person, wouldn't you think you would have father, son, and the holy spirit? So God here means the Father, not Father and holy spirit. (John 1:1 speaks of the word being with God. So it must mean the Word was with the Father without the holy spirit.) Matthew 11:27 27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one fully knows the Son except the Father; neither does anyone fully know the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son is willing to reveal him. But if the holy spirit were a person, the 3rd person of the godhead, wouldn't he also fully know the Father and Son? If the trinity was a true doctrine, it would mean Jesus lied. The scriptures above only makes sense if the holy spirit is not a person. It would explain why many so-called trinity proof texts has no mention of the holy spirit. In scripture the holy spirit is not referred to as a son of God like the angels and Jesus are. If you compare the parallel scriptures Matt. 12:28 and Luke 11:20 you will find the holy spirit is referred to as God's finger. Jesus was conceived by the holy spirit but Jesus never calls the holy spirit his father. Gabriel was sent to Mary to tell her she will conceive a Son by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the Highest will overshadow you. There is a parallel between the Holy Spirit and the power of the Highest. It says the power (holy spirit) of the Highest (Jehovah) will come upon you and overshadow you. The holy spirit as well as others are personified: In Proverbs 1:20 wisdom is personified: True wisdom cries aloud in the street. It keeps raising its voice in the public squares Luke 7:35 But wisdom is proved right by all her children.” In Romans 5:17 death is personified as a king: For if by the trespass of the one man death ruled as king through that one, how much more will those who receive the abundance of the undeserved kindness and of the free gift of righteousness rule as kings in life through the one person, Jesus Christ! In Romans 5:21 sin is personified as king: To what end? So that just as sin ruled as king with death, so also undeserved kindness might rule as king through righteousness leading to everlasting life through Jesus Christ our Lord. At 1 John 5:6-8, not only the spirit but also “the water and the blood” are said to ‘bear witness.’ The holy spirit is never seen as a person on earth or in a vision of heaven. It is seen as something not someone. At Jesus’ baptism it was manifested as a dove and at Pentecost as tongues of fire. If it is a person, why did it not appear as a person? While some texts say that the spirit “spoke,” other passages make clear that this was done through angels or humans. (Acts 4:24, 25; 28:25; Matt. 10:19, 20; compare Acts 20:23 with Acts 21:10, 11.) So, none of the expressions found in these texts prove that the holy spirit is a person. The Bible gives no indication of the holy spirit’s having a personal name. Names are important in the Bible. The Father, Son and angels have personal names. Why does the holy spirit not have a personal name? Surely, this detail alone should make a person wonder whether the spirit is really equal to the Father and the Son. The word “name” at Matthew 28:19 does not mean a personal name. Says Greek scholar A. T. Robertson (Word Pictures in the New Testament, Vol. I, p. 245): “The use of name ([Greek] onoma) here is a common one in the Septuagint and the papyri for power or authority.” That the term “name” so used does not necessarily imply the existence of a person. This might be illustrated with the expression “in the name of the law.” No one would conclude the law is a person. The expression simply means ‘in recognition of what the law represents,’ its authority. Similarly, baptism ‘in the name of the spirit’ signifies a recognition of that spirit and its source and functions. Matthew 28:19 mentions three, but it says nothing about the three being equal in eternity, power, position, and wisdom. Or being 3 persons in 1 God. So the holy spirit is the power of God, God's finger. Not part of some mysterious trinity.

[@phillbobaggins5962]

Well stated, where is Tim Martin? The Trinity is clearly not a biblical teaching, so easily dismiissed for what it is.

[@gasmaskerhub2075]

Acts 5:3-4 The Holy Ghost is referred as a part of the Godhead ergothe Trinity is fact

[@mattgardiner614]

Don't know if you ever come back to this video to read comments Tim, but if so, is there an email address I could contact you by?

[@andrewshanks8737]

Tim, terrific youtube on Jehovah's witnesses and the Trinity. Thanks for that.

[@marioatrucking]

hey Brother Tim. thanks for the great clear insight . clear step by step references. on Trinity. God Bless Brother In Christ Jesus :) from Houston Tx

[@ivonnetorres1080]

Wow, my father has been an elder since the 70’s, my mother has been a pioneer, my sister and her husband are special pioneers. I also have an uncle that claims to be part of the 144,000. I have many relative in the religion as I use to be. I say this give credence to my knowledge on their beliefs. You are 1000% correct in everything. Great info.

[@TheGlausevic]

if your uncle claims to be part of the 144000, he is not.

[@andreaserik6069]

God bless you Tim!

[@resetsetmefree478]

18:15 I'm wondering about what he's saying here, did Philip (and Paul after him) have the NT with them? If the answer is no, how were all those people at that time converted to Christ without the "entire bible"? Somehow I doubt they had the kjv in front of them...just sayin

[@parkerbarefoot4255]

Can you elaborate please, genuinely curious

[@resetsetmefree478]

@@parkerbarefoot4255 at that time all they had was the old testament. Even those scrolls would have been far too expensive for the average person. They didn't have Bibles like we do now

[@parkerbarefoot4255]

@@resetsetmefree478 And what are you alluding to, with that point??? I don't mean that condescendingly. Genuinely curious

[@resetsetmefree478]

@@parkerbarefoot4255 basically just the fact that it was teaching preaching and faith that caused the message of Jesus to spread. It wasn't a matter of reading books. That's all I'm saying

[@parkerbarefoot4255]

@@resetsetmefree478 Oh, okay. I was way over complicating you. Thanks

[@attielukanyo9723]

Dear Tim, I follow your very enlightening video on Trinity and Jehovah's witnesses. However, I just fell on a few questions that someone called Tooty asked Dr. James and felt that I would struggle to answer them myself.... Please find his questions below and see if you could make some comments that may direct Christians in answering these sort of questions: "Dear Dr.James I can see that the father and Jesus are each "God", but when it comes to "Holy Spirit", I am really not sure and would like your assistance in clarifying how the Holy Spirit is really "God" in the same way or manner as Jesus or the Father is "God". My main concern here is that the bible says much more about the Father and Jesus than it does of the Holy Spirit (beyond just stating that they are each "God"): Take for example the fact that in addition to calling spiritual entities that we must honor and worship(Yahweh and Jesus) "God", not only does the bible explicitly command us to honor, glorify and worship them, but it also tells us that they each (distinctively / each in his own right) "created all things", hence worthy of worship from all intelligent beings that they are "each" said to have created (angels and humans). and i have three key questions that I would like answered: 1. Both the father and the Son are each (in his own right) "explicitly" said to have "created all things": Father: Revelation 4:11; Job 38:4-41; Isaiah 45:18.....Jesus Christ: John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17. Where exactly does the bible explicitly state (as explicitly as it does of the father and of the Son) that the 3rd entity in our triune God, the "Holy Spirit" created something let alone "creating all things" to suggest that he too deserves any kind of worship (from his creatures)? if there is no such scripture, but such scriptures are easily found for the father and the son, is that not an indication that we should never, be praying to or worshiping the Holy Spirit, especially given that it is the Holy Spirit himself, who directly inspired the bible and should have included that statement in it to help us worship him, right? 2. Throughout the bible, we are explicitly told/encouraged even commanded to honor, glorify and/or worship the Father and the Son ( more often for the father than for the son as the son himself prays to the father) and examples of God fearing people entreating or worshiping either the father or the Son are abundantly available in the scriptures ( for the father: Matthew 6:9-10; Matthew 4:10; John 17:1-5.......For Jesus: John 5:23; Philippians 2:9-11; Hebrews 1:6; John 20:28.....); Where exactly does the bible encourage us to glorify, honor or worship the Holy Spirit? Can you help me find one single example in the bible where true Christian(s) in the first century prayed to or worshiped the Holy Spirit? If we can't, what should that say about trinity? Should we believe that early first century Christians prayed to the Holy Spirit and yet the Holy Spirit inspired them to only record examples of worship for the father and for the son? Or should we rather conclude that trinity was only introduced after the same Holy Spirit itself had completed the inspiration of the holy scriptures without requesting any Christians to worship him? 3. Since the Holy Spirit is "God" or an entity in "God" (in the same way as Jesus or Yahweh i.e of no less equality to the father or the Son) that we must also worship as we do the father and Jesus, each in his own right ...would you mind explaining please why this 3rd entity in God is missing in key scriptures that convey the idea of divinity and worship? Please consider the following examples: A. Revelation 5:11-14: Please explain where the Holy Spirit had gone, when the father and the son were being worshiped together at Revelation 5:11-14: where was the 3rd entity in God to also receive worship?.... Revelation Chapter 4&5 in no uncertain terms shows the worship of the father and the son, each in his own right and also in Chapter 5 together, seating on the same throne... : where is the Holy Spirit (the 3rd entity in God) mentioned in that scripture? What good reasons could possibly explain his absence, if he is any kind of God in the same sense as the father and Jesus each are (i.e. an entity outside of the father and not to be viewed in the same way as our own spirit as indicated in 1 Corinthians 2:11)? We never praise or honor someone and then arrange separate honor or praise for his/her spirit, do we? Why does trinity compel us to do just that of God, when he said that the same way we relate to our spirits, is the same way that he too(Yahweh) relates to his Holy Spirit(1 Corinthians 2:11)? Could you help me here? B. According to Jesus himself at John 17:1-5; why must we know "the only true God", and Jesus Christ whom he sent (Isaiah 61:1-3) in order to gain eternal life, but not know the Holy Spirit? Why does Jesus leave out the knowledge of Holy Spirit (the 3rd entity in God) as being necessary for our salvation here? Did Jesus expect us to also know the Holy Spirit as we know him and his father in order to gain eternal life and yet he did not say so here in John 17:3? if yes, who then is to blame if some people do not see any need to worship the Holy Spirit or elevate the Holy Spirit in the same manner as is done of the Father or the Son? I.e. what condemnation could possibly come to those who accept the Holy Spirit only as a helper, teacher.....as introduced by Jesus and not any kind of God in the same manner as Jesus (for example), deserving of any worship? where exactly do we as Christians get the idea that failing to worship to Holy Spirit is the same as failing to worship God? C. Paul explained the order and line of authority and submission he wanted Christians in Corinth to abide by and follow from woman to God, the Almighty Yahweh(1 Corinthians 11:3); Please explain why the Holy Spirit is left out of this authority structure, while both God, the father and Jesus are clearly mentioned in this hierarchy.....????? I mean: did Paul want us to respect and worship the Holy Spirit as "God" in the same manner as Yahweh and Jesus, but left him out here? why then is the Holy Spirit therefore included in our triune God? what is the rationale for including him? Have early church father not gone out of what is written in the bible to include it? D. Daniel 7:13-14 and 1 Corinthians 15:27-28.....show that Jesus is "given" a kingdom until all things are subjected to him (Jesus). Then Jesus hands over the kingdom back to his God and father (1 Corinthians 15:27-28). Please tell me: why does it look like the father and the son are exchanging the kingdom, but the 3rd entity in our triune God, the Holy Spirit is left out in the dark? what is happening here? when will the turn of the Holy Spirit come? The 3 entities in God are equal, right?, and each worthy of worship and kingdom according to the concept of trinity, but only two are seen exchanging the kingdom between themselves in the bible, Yahweh having the Kingdom twice before the Holy Spirit had it even once? why? E. Perhaps the most compelling evidence against the inclusion of Holy Spirit as an entity in "God" or as being God in the same manner as Jesus or Yahweh is the book of Act 7:55-56 when Stephen, (notice was being stoned): "being full of Holy Spirit" gazed into "heaven" and saw "the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God".....Since Holy Spirit is omnipresent, he should have seen the Holy Spirit also on the left hand side of God, right? Please tell me: why did he not see the Holy Spirit in heaven (the dwelling place of our "triune God") standing at the left hand of "God" (don't know yet whether is this our triune God or the father)? what happened? Had the Holy Spirit descended to fill Stephen and blinded him to the extent that he could not see the 3rd entity in our triune God, but saw only the two other entities of the trinity? I am baffled here, because this event shows that Steven did not believe in any triune God at all! F. At 1 John 2:22-23, the King James Version (KJV) bible states: " 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also." A "liar" is not one who denies "the Holy Spirit" (as he does the other 2 entities in Godhead), but he who denies the father and/or the Son. Please explain why denying the Holy Spirit as God, is not a lie and yet it is a lie when it is done of the Father or the Son? If John believed that the Holy Spirit is a separate entity from the Father, or any kind of "God", equal to or in exactly "the same sense" as Jesus or the Father are each "God" or divine (entities independent of each other), he surely would also have included those who deny the Holy Spirit among liars, wouldn't he? Could you please explain these omissions for me? After looking at this evidence I am convinced just based on these few considerations that the worship of our triune God may actually be a form of Idolatry...and that 95% of all nominal Christians who believe in trinity (including myself at this stage), have been led astray! I hope that I am wrong Dr. James.....Please help clarify where I am going wrong! "

[@bmoyer006]

Love this! Thanks for sharing

[@martinmurrell6974]

How many hrs during covid?

[@sonofbard]

I would be keen on obtained a set of your notes or ppt slides with the various points you raised. Otherwise, I will have to stop/go to write them all down.

[@Homeschoolmeful]

My heart is to help lead these people to Christ. I have.a JW coming for bible study next week. I was hoping to lay out 3 rules. Do you think they would agree with these: 1. Let scripture interpret Scripture 2. 20/20 rule read 20 verses before and after to make sure it's taken in context and 3. What is the original meaning?

[@TimMartin]

They might give lip service to agreeing to what you are saying, but ultimately they do not think you can find the truth by reading the Bible by itself. The only way you can find Bible truth is if you are in touch with God's sole channel of communication: the Watchtower Bible and Tract society. To learn more, check out my latest series on "Should You Trust the Watchtower:" kzbin.info/aero/PLzUURbZbH1vUVdN2X1l2ucF_t05Pd3qNg

[@Homeschoolmeful]

Tim, do a youtube search for ex JWs. They are growing exponentially.

[@neothinkeralpha7540]

Very valid point re John 17:3 ( gr.Gnosko )👍📖🕵️

[@puppylover0148]

Jesus said the good news must be preached. Matthew 24:14 and this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

[@abemichael5143]

lam not talking about preaching then l support him but to judge others no good we have to help and save others

[@cecilburrell2439]

I disagree with this video i grew up in a congregation and they believe in Jesus, God is the authority of the congregation and they allow you to use your own version of the Bible just so you can understand what is true..this is the only set of people going door to door..Christ-like is the meaning of Christian and Jesus went around teaching Gods' word who else does that?

[@ItWILLbeWONDERFUL_THERE]

Question 4 Jehovah's Witnesses.... Why would JEHOVAH GOD need a LESSER BEING to help HIM create? Isaiah 44:24/ John 1:3. ? Is Jesus a god or the archangel Michael?

[@bertramsatzinger7531]

Jesus ist GOD. John 1,1; 1. John 5,20. The Jehovah's witnesses are absolutely wrong in this point. Jesus is not a god or the archangel Michael.

[@movingup6175]

Wow! Can you make a video discussing about the Trinity and when it was invented. Hope you'll notice my request. Will gratefully thank you, sir!

[@777Tralfaz777]

Nice choice of words. "When it was invented".

[@movingup6175]

@@777Tralfaz777 thanks for affirming my choice of words "when it was invented", the Trinity. I've heard that history proves it.

[@777Tralfaz777]

@@movingup6175 Absolutely it was invented by men. You will find neither the word, nor the explicit concept in the Bible.

[@movingup6175]

Yes, I challenge Pro. Tim to make a video discussing about the ORIGIN of the TRINITY DOCTRINE. Otherwise he, Pro Tim would be none other than a PROFESSOR OF STRAWMAN ARGUMENTATION.😊

[@evanwindom3265]

@@777Tralfaz777 Is "Governing Body" in there? No -- but don't JWs claim that "there's always been a governing body" even though neither the term nor the explicit concept are mentioned in scripture? Let's apply the same standards equally.

[@777Tralfaz777]

At around 58 minutes, please look up Rev 21:1-4. Tell me where these people are.

[@TimMartin]

Revelation 21 does not resolve what Revelation 7:10 is saying. Yes, the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven to earth. Still, previous to this, the great crown is in heaven before the throne. BTW: don't you see another problem with Revelation 21? It says God will be dwelling with his people in the new Jerusalem on earth? Doesn't the Watchtower teach that he will be in heaven with Jesus and the 144,000? I have never thought of this before. Let me know if I missed something. Respectfully, Tim

[@777Tralfaz777]

@@TimMartin I am sorry for missing this reply. Sometimes that KZbin bell thingy doesn't notify about replies. I do believe Rev 21 resolves Rev 7:10. If you read the context of Rev 7, at vs 15 you will see God will spread His tent over them. At Rev 21:13 we see the tent of God is with mankind. Rev 21 continues to say tears and death and pain will be gone, as the former things will be done away with. God will wipe the tears from their eyes. Rev 7 specifically says "And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.” " So yes, it is talking about the same group. You said "BTW: don't you see another problem with Revelation 21? God will be dwelling with his people in the new Jerusalem on earth?" I do not see that as a problem. It is figurative of being close to God. Receiving His blessings. "the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them and will guide them to springs of waters of life ". Jesus is not a literal Lamb, but he is figuratively. Yet he will shepherd them, or guide them literally.

[@777Tralfaz777]

Around 40 minutes, if the Holy Spirit comes from God, and is like God's hand, or finger as Jesus said, then you argument falls flat, doesn't it? Please read Acts 2:33.

[@TimMartin]

You must have the wrong time in mind. At 40 minutes I am finishing talking about the Holy Spirit having a name, then discuss the neuter gender in the greek.

[@777Tralfaz777]

You were trying to say the holy spirit is a person, and although it is personified at times, the bible makes clear it comes from God, and is used by God and to whoever He gives it. Did you bother reading the verses I cited? (Acts 2:33) Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear. JW appear to have it correct.

[@ChrisNobodySpecial]

@@777Tralfaz777 That is from the NIV, which has been manipulated and arranged to suit the JW belief ststem. The KJV states "The Holy Spirit" delineating a specific and distinct being identified as The Holy Spirit or a The Holy Ghost not just another ghost or spirit.

[@777Tralfaz777]

@@ChrisNobodySpecial You mean the NWT I believe. You can read the verse in your own Bible, that is why I simply cited it in my first post, so you can look it up in your OWN Bible. How does the KJV render that verse? This is what I found: "Acts 2:33 King James Version (KJV) 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." It is essentially saying the same thing. It does not sound like a distinct being there in the KJV either.

[@bigcountry648]

@@777Tralfaz777 Are you Jehovah's witness?

[@ItWILLbeWONDERFUL_THERE]

About the Michael issue. The WT bible has The Word as A god. And yet he's also Michael? Which is it?

[@eriq54321]

The doctrine explanation can be found in the bible before the king James bible, the 1599 Geneva bible (gnv) in the footnotes of Joshua 5:13-15 , Daniel 2:44,45 , John chapter 1 and 5. I got a better understanding of the verses from those footnotes in the 1599 Geneva bible

[@TheKnealing]

awesome job Tim!!!!!

[@albertsmith6717]

You hit the nail on the head at 21:00, that jw can't understand the Bible with or without watchtower doctrine. Now I can bring this to the debate the next time.

[@biblosalifia]

In their bible, all verses related with Jesus divinity are changed !!!

[@777Tralfaz777]

Are they? Or are they more accurate according to the original language manuscripts? While Jesus was a god, "divine" if you will, he was never God Almighty. How does your Bible read here? (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

[@jacobjones2003]

Look Tim I appreciate that you do not disrespect our religion. I see alot of people doing the same thing you do but they disrespect everything we believe in, we shall agree to disagree but I do thank you for being respectful.

[@jacobjones2003]

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[@jacobjones2003]

+Alejandro G Ok I was joking but we can agree to disagree and still agree to get along :) Peace!

[@jacobjones2003]

+Alejandro G I don't know what to say.. I have found someone that has a way with words! May I ask you a question?

[@beckyshock3099]

A Baptist Minister one time said to me, " you can't trust what you read in The Bible", and he also said "You can't understand what is said in The bible". So does that mean he was a JW? and not really a Baptist? I also was told by a seventh day advintist minister, "You don't know what The Bible means"........ sorry they are wrong.

[@hagblay]

If the gtoverning body announced that kool ade would be served this coming Sunday through out the world at every kingdom hall--the first question the flock would ask is ""WHAT TIME???"{

[@johannabaggerman9916]

;(

[@thelthrythquezada8397]

Or "but what flavor?"

[@lashturner]

John 3:16 Says that For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Under This I believe. If you dissagree then you are calling God a liar. And he said He so loved the world. not just some JW cult, or any other cult.

[@susan9604]

Very good brother 🙏❤️

[@tecomaman]

“Do not I fill heaven ,with stars , Habakkuk 3:3 His splendor covers the heavens, And the earth is full of His praise.

[@josephtucker9612]

The description of them as “standing before the throne and before the Lamb” indicates, not necessarily a location,but an approved condition. Rev 6:17 because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” [stand as approved] Luke 21:35-36 Keep awake, then, all the time making supplication that you may succeed in escaping all these things that must occur and in standing before the Son of man. [being in an approved state before the Son of man] The expression “before the throne”, literally in sight of the throne, does not require that they be in heaven. Their position is simply “in sight” of God, who tells us that from heaven he beholds the sons of men Psalms 11:4 Jehovah is in his holy temple. Jehovah’s throne is in the heavens. His own eyes see, his watchful eyes examine the sons of men Rev 6:15-17 15 Then the kings of the earth, the high officials, the military commanders, the rich, the strong, every slave, and every free person hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rocks: “Fall over us and HIDE US FROM THE FACE OF THE ONE SEATED ON THE THRONE and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to STAND? Obviously the kings of the earth, the high officials, … are not in heaven where they can see the face of the one seated on the throne. And they are not able to STAND as approved by God. According to Jesus no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again. But in Revelation 20:11-15 the dead are standing before the great white throne and him that sat on it. They are judged by what is written in the books and anyone not found in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. If God is sitting on his throne and you are standing before God, aren't you seeing the kingdom of God? Or does it mean only those that are born again that are standing before the throne may be cast into the lake of fire? Or does it mean that standing is not a location but an approved condition?

[@josephtucker9612]

Rev 7:13-17 13 In response one of the elders said to me: “These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?” 14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 That is why they are before the throne of God, and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. 16 They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down on them nor any scorching heat, 17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them and will guide them to springs of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.” Verse 14 says about the great crowd, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation”. The great crowd are the survivors of the great tribulation on earth. Matthew 24:21-22 says for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short. The great tribulation will be cut short allowing the great crowd to survive. Verse 15-17 says: “ the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. 16 They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down on them nor any scorching heat, 17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them and will guide them to springs of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.” This great crowd are people on earth since Jesus guides them to springs of waters of life and wipes out every tear from their eyes. That is not said of the 144,000. The 144,000 does not need to be guided to springs of waters of life. According to Rev 14:1-5 the 144,000 are bought from the earth (go to heaven) and they keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. The great crowd can not follow the Lamb no matter where he goes because they are not in heaven. The great crowd are not bought from the earth. It also says the 144,000 are bought from among mankind as firstfruits. The 144,000 are firstfruits in the first resurrection. Rev 20:4-6 And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years. So another difference between the 144,000 and the great crowd is the 144,000 are resurrected in the first resurrection as firstfruits while the great crowd that survives the great tribulation never dies. The 144,000 will be kings and priests and rule for 1,000 years. If all the saved go to heaven, why are priests needed in heaven? And since they will rule as kings, who will be their subjects?

[@ThirdNUnion]

Why is the holy spirit never worshipped?In the introduction of their letters to the churches, none of the New Testament writers identifies himself with the holy spirit as he does with God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Why is this if they are part of the same being?Why does Paul never send greetings from the holy spirit, only of God the Father and of the Lord Jesus Christ? Why do visions of heaven NOT include the person of the holy spirit?Why is the holy spirit never called the First and the Last?Why doesn't the holy spirit have a name?Why isn't the holy spirit a king?Why is theos/elohim never applied to the holy spirit? Why is the holy spirit never called a saviour?Why is the holy spirit given liquidity?

[@philotheoapolobrendon3653]

In the Trinity there is a "relational subordination" a type of mutual submission in which one member of the trinity yields or defers to the other not out of a lesser status or some sort of hierarchy, but out of respect as a peer having equivalent status. www.godandscience.org/doctrine/spiritgod.html

[@wandastahlman6075]

+B notamonkey there isn't no word Trinity in the Bible,no Christmas, Easter, st. Patrick s day, Halloween, etc...even birthdays....

[@Rick_Alden]

ThirdNUnion: Great argument TU! When Stefan was being stoned he saw a vision in Heaven of ONLY The Father and The Son, but no Holy Ghost. However, when Trinitarians argue that the Holy Ghost was downstairs with Stefan, I give up and go home. People will just believe what they want to. The moment of Truth will come at the latest if we ourselves get the chance to go to Heaven.

[@messengertothenations309]

ThirdNUnion unbelievable finaly somebody who has got a brain and gets things right full credit to your submissions

[@philotheoapolobrendon3653]

Wanda The word "bible isn't in the Bible. The words omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent are not in the Bible but we know the doctrine is. doest matter when name was coined. The trinity is a doctrine and the raw materials run though out the Bible. Watch the video. He addresses it as well as many link I have posted. Its what was defended and people died for and creeds developed to thwart heresy's. As far as xmas, easter, patricks day , birthdays - I know they are not in the Bible. Not sure what your point is.

[@bitanbiswas3380]

Mr. Martin, I appreciate your study and research on Jehovah's Witnesses or the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, but in many cases your views about the witnesses and their teachings are not correct. Your interpretations in many are cases are with incorrect understanding. And you are teaching a group of your Bible students giving a wrong view about them. Can you tell me if the doctrine of Trinity stand or coined in the Bible and used by the Christians even after more than half a century of the writing of the Bible after the death of Christ. Besides, Jesus Christ is given a great importance in the teachings and lives of a Christian as he is a ransomer and through him people would get salvation. There are more to rebuttals but this is not what discussion on Cristianity all about. I am not saying that they are correct or wrong as I know these people also, but your presentations are quite confusing too.

[@yrtluop]

Real Christian's dont "shun" their children...any rebuttal to that??

[@republiccooper]

I used to fellowship and study with Witnesses for about 5 years. Everything he says is true. To understand Jesus as God, watch Mike Winger's series on the Gospel of Mark - the earliest Gospel. It's on KZbin and long but worth it.

[@jasonhounsell3297]

I don't deny anybody the right to share information, I am not religious at all as I find it all very childish understandings and I have my own theories that tie together everything including science. I speak to Jehovah's, Christians, Satanists, Buddah's and all groups of people as I find this is the only way to really understand anything. I would not deny you the right to do what you are doing in this video and your sermons, anymore than you should not try and deny Jehovah's the right. You claim the truth of a book that you can't validate the origins, authors or authenticity yet would claim your teachings are the truth and the only truth. This is akin with all religions. So your growing concern should be your hypocrisy instead of others teachings. This is not me insulting you, I am trying to point out that you are no different in their eyes to them to you. Each have their own right and you in turn must allow this and allow people to make up their own minds (however this is the problem with the world, everyone wanting someone else to hypothesize everything for them and they will subscribe to others, this is why we are sheep to the slaughter) An infinite capacity of creative ability and able to shape and transform the world how we see fit, stuck into predictable boxes where we must believe A or B. Go to work, and go home and rinse and repeat. Religion, politics, governments and all sorts inhibit knowledge and understanding and above all truth. Only after you have studied these you will realize this. Yes the world was created, however it wasn't created by a "God" this is box like thinking. Polarized. There is no such thing as Universal evil, nor Universal good. These are perceptions of man, based on survival instincts. Being killed means you transform to earth, is earth evil? Will it matter in 1000 years? Earth is as essential to life as you are, this is not a Universal evil. Its just bad for you if your intent is to survive. This is why "Evil" is cultural and limited to man. Think about this however, Satan is Chronos in other cultures. The father of time. What are you without time? Do you have intent? Can intent exist with no passing of time relative to... what? The garden wasn't a choice of obey or not, it was not good vs evil. It was time. A choice of life. This is why there is a tree of life, and relative to death which by your understanding did not exist yet. The choice was time as a mortal and to experience life, or to be un-embodied energy which is limitless probability but no intent or body to enact this onto a physical reality. You can into existence as a probability (refer to quantum mechanics) and this is life. You can change and alter it with intent, intent that is focused through your mind. Mind / Body / Spirit :- Holy Trinity if you want the clue Your spirit is the infinite connection to consciousness and energy (Quantum mechanics demands this) your mind is what focuses your bodies intent. Your intent is ruled by your emotions and enabled by your minds connection to the spirit. This is the basis of Magick of history. Your intent changes reality, you focus energy to direct probabilities through your body and focused by your mind. Your intent and memory is imprinted on your blood, this is why organ and blood transfusions can carry traits to the receiver. This is where blood lines being kept pure come from and this is why Blood magick was stronger. Sign your blood, over your intent and it shall be so. As I said I am not religious nor do I subscribe to any teachings. I learn from everyone and everything and rationalize it. Your religions will stop this. However your more than welcome to your opinion as I didn't always have this one, and without access to others information I wouldn't be able to fully formulate anything, thats why you must learn and not inhibit others.

[@bilbobaggins5815]

jason hounsell You must not tell people what they must do. Do you know what a double bind is? For an auto-didact you sure ate Patronizing. You don't know the first thing about real Christian theology. Try reading Karl Barth. TF Torrance. or even St.Athanasius. Oh never mind you're probably too busy teaching epistemology at university. Lol

[@bilbobaggins5815]

jason hounsell Your intent changes reality? Wow. Show me.

[@bilbobaggins5815]

jason hounsell one hint Nostradamus......less is more.

[@jasonhounsell3297]

Doug Root :- I am not debating Christianity as it was not my point here. Everyone should share information, and I respect this man is doing it in a more respectful way than most. However labelling videos with this content, warning people about other religions is hypocrisy. I am not shy to say my opinions have changed, my view points have changed as more information and facts present themselves. I don't claim to know the truth from something I can not validate. The things I said were fact, are proven to be so. However one religion warning about another is akin to two men arguing how high they can fly if they flap their arms. In my opinion of course. You asked about intent changing reality, please review quantum mechanics. In a nutshell however the double slit experiment is a good start, however I couldn't possibly go into the full subjects as its massive. However go from quantum mechanics > DR Emoto > ancient magick. You will see they all agree, and I don't believe this is by chance. Anyhow, you are entitled to believe what you choose, and I am sure it will change through time as most people's should, as your understanding now should grow, and grow therefor so should your understandings as does mines and anyone else's that isn't chained down by something. Given your direct response and immediate defensive comments I am not going to respond as I find arguing pointless. Share information don't demonise it.

[@bilbobaggins5815]

jason hounsell I said to read some real theology. You claim to be all knowing ....but like most of us on here you're just a keyboard warrior. Why do you feel the need to defend the JWs? They can do that on their own. Are you a rescuer? It's a vicious cycle. Victim - Rescuer- Persecuter. You won't read TF Torrance or Barth cause you wouldn't understand it just like you have no clue about tbe real math involved in Quantum physics. But we all pretend on the internet. That's why it's fun. Telling people what to do ...usually doesn't work out....unless you want to lead by example?

[@sherrellsabree50]

That Bible has many scriptures taken out of it. Additionally they've added words to change its meaning. It was printed with the intent to support their theology. I'd hoped your presentation would have gone much deeper regarding that very important topic. Who cares that its been printed in 700 languages...Its blasphemous to add or take away from it.

[@cuttingedgetechsongsmovies9662]

Have you asked yourself why was it taken away? Stop displaying ignorance

[@sherrellsabree50]

@@cuttingedgetechsongsmovies9662 I answered that question within my post. Read it again... Your turn to stop your showy display of ignorance.

[@cuttingedgetechsongsmovies9662]

@@sherrellsabree50 Read Matthew 24:36 using KJV and compare it with other translations..What's your finding?

[@violetchia1022]

Very glad I got out of the cult. never felt comfortable with them. However my mum got be into the faith from an early age. Was literally born into it and as I grew up became more questioning and answers to me raised more doubts. I am now a Catholic and feel more comfortable with the faith which they and I used to condemn them as pagans. it is amazing how God opened my eyes and the church I used to hate and learned to hate is now my refuge and I am so in love with the faith. I even teach the faith with love. hallelujah!

[@markpeter1968]

praise god and welcome home . In the early days of church history , when one bishop or group started believing a new truth or doctrine all the other bishops would come together and decide if it was true or heretical. Thank god for the Catholic church!

[@mnpfamilys6547]

On video youtube on Jehovah's witnesses and the Trinity. You are honest lecture about no one fully understand God the Trinity. Thanks for sharing.. GOD bless u..

[@mattgardiner614]

It's the Governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses who are "The Faithful and Discreet Slave", not JW's in their entirety. Just ask them. A few other errors too.

[@nohhknowwyeww]

39:14 You said why can't the Holy Spirit fill people if he is God too. But this does not say if he is a person if you are equating person with God to say he instead of It. God is not flesh and not a person. God is a being. A being is spirit or fleshly. The Latin persona is more of characteristic.-Ernie Moore Jr. Jeremiah 23: 24 and God fills...you are a person you have met people. Persons do not fill. That would be like putting on a onesie and gross and kill the person you were filling for fleshly to fill fleshly. The Holy Spirit fills as God fills because they are of the same nature-spirit form while only one of them is God. The language this is translated from does not distinguish he from she from it. Context determines.-Ernie Moore Jr.

[@ranazahr7515]

Tim...are you jehova witness follower or a Christian?

[@TimMartin]

+Rana Zahr I am an evangelical Christian.

[@ranazahr7515]

Amen. I just want to say Thank you so much for the wonderful you tubes especially the one about Trinity. I have shared it with a friend who's been looking proves and scriptural reference on this topic.

[@TimMartin]

+Rana Zahr Thanks! I am so glad these are a blessing.

[@ranazahr7515]

Please join me in praying for her, Jiung and 2 children. She has been convinced by them for 3 yrs!!. She is confused by truth that Jesus is Lord, God etc. That is why she is following this cult. She is looking for someone to talk to them, so i was approached to do but honestly, i am not comfortable. I am not sure if this correct to act this way. What would be your advice besides praying for them? Thanks so much

[@TheFunkytrapper]

+Rana Zahr She must make it clear she feels she can not follow the believes they have and so ask them not to come back do not call again and the must stop coming or it is harassment not sure if she is baptised if she is she can resign or do some act to get disfellowshiped

[@yosheyoshe9767]

FIRST OF ALL, I DID NOT WATCH THIS VIDEO, I saw the video on the home page and what caught my eye was the amount of views, 13,767 after ONE YEAR, that is not very many views. I did think to myself, WHY would they put this video on utube when they preach & tell there followers not to educate themselves out side the church or by media ????

[@winstongrettum3412]

Saw his attempt to show that trinity can be supported against Jehovah's Witnesses but is guilty of taking many scriptures out of context. His sad attempt to ask who was Jesus mother if he was a created son of God. Did God need a woman to create the other sons of God spoken of in the Bible? Did Adam need a mother to be called the son if God according to Luke. He has not allowed comments because he can not endure a cross examination. What a coward.

[@777Tralfaz777]

Yes. His points are often quite obtuse. When I spoke of the resurrection, he could not grasp how time could pass and God could still resurrect them with an entirely new body. He called it cloning, not realizing God is beyond physical space and time.

[@777Tralfaz777]

Around 20 minutes your argument becomes clumsy, and not representative of JW beliefs. God gave some as teachers. About Bible reading: It is dependent on attitude. Do you want to be among God's people, or on your own. People, if left to their own, will interpret things according to their own desire. Like you did with Jeremiah 23. What did Jesus say about God? Model prayer: Matt 6:9 Our Father, who is "everywhere"? No.

[@TimMartin]

You are so right that people, left to their own will interpret things according to their own desire. If you look at this vide, kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmHCXodno9t7qK8 you will see how the Watchtower does this very thing.

[@777Tralfaz777]

You are either with God's people, or not. There is no personal interpretation. If you claim it is not JW that are God's people, you need to identify who they are then. If they believe the trinity, you are already lost, as that was never a bible teaching.

[@evanwindom3265]

@@777Tralfaz777 Why do JWs insist that we must be part of an organization? The Church of which Christ is the head is made up of people - individuals - not members of an "organization". John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." *_Whoever believes,_*, not "whoever believes and is a member of a bible and tract publishing society".

[@evanwindom3265]

Do people interpret things according to their own desire? Absolutely. How else would someone read this... “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?" ... and: - See it as a prophecy and not a parable, as the context indicates? - Read "food" and think not only "spiritual food", but "spiritual food defined the way we decide it's defined"? - Then read themselves in as the only possible fulfillment of the so-called "prophecy"?

[@777Tralfaz777]

@@evanwindom3265 You said "Why do JWs insist that we must be part of an organization?" The first century Christians were organized. The Jews were organized as a nation. God's people today are organized. If Jesus is the head of the congregation, wouldn't it be organized, and orderly? You said "is made up of people - individuals - not members of an "organization". " Then how do you know who are your brother, so as to meet with them? You said "See it as a prophecy and not a parable, as the context indicates?" Parables have real life application. And that is true with the faithful and wise slave. Who do you believe that slave is, who gives food to the domestics?

[@steveleung855]

KJV has many errors for example the story of the woman caught in adultery is a later addition that was not found in earlier Manuscripts

[@gutadin5]

If the KJV has many errors , what is the correct bible translation then?

[@steveleung855]

@@gutadin5 The correct Bible is the original Text, since the original Text has been copied added to and subtracted from, what we have is a KJV Book that is about 99% correct, there are errors but because of research, new discoveries and ongoing studies we are able to compare fragments and find out when and where modifications were made, one example is the addition of Trinity doctrine that is not found in earlier manuscripts

[@gutadin5]

@@steveleung855 the word trinity is not in the Bible, the Father Son and the Holy Spirit are one true God.

[@steveleung855]

@@gutadin5 watch this kzbin.info/www/bejne/aF7Pd4eZeJZkY6M

[@gutadin5]

@@steveleung855 John 1:1 the Word was God John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and My God. Acts 5:3,4 the Holy Ghost is God.

[@familyferguson2068]

Cristy Darlington speaks highly of you. I'd love to have a transcript of your Trinity video - pls advise.I truly appreciate all your efforts.

[@nohhknowwyeww]

39:57 ...Name or not doesn't mean if you are a person-you say, yet the culture literally names their offspring by the second week out of the womb-so every person, Jewish, literally was named.-Ernie Moore Jr.

[@wmnoffaith1]

I agree with the points you are making about the hours the JWs put in knocking on doors and making an impact. However, I would add that it is only because 1) it's mandatory, and 2) there's not only peer pressure, but it's a matter of competition and pride amongst them. Don't forget Jesus blasting the Pharisees for traveling over land and sea to make a single convert , twice as fit for hell. Matthew 23;15. He wasn't impressed with the hours they spent, nor the pride they took in them. The other point is, how many of these are trips to the same door. I live in a rural town of less than 100 people. ( it's next to several large cities, so we aren't in the middle of nowhere). The JWs, a few years ago, went through our neighborhood every Saturday for about 6 months. The same two women came to my door at least once every weekend. We are talking about a minimum of 24 visits! If I wasn't home they stopped by again, sometimes coming by 3 times in a weekend. This despite the fact that I told them I had been studying the Bible for 40 years, and that while I admired their tenacity, their doctrine was unbiblical. So, while they are persistent, and creating an impact, I think it is largely a negative one, because they do not seem to take no for an answer. Even if you say it 26 times. ( Unfortunately, it all came to a head one Saturday, when I wasn't home. They had come by 3 times looking for me, and my husband lost his patience with them, and threatened the police if they didn't stop harassing us. Patience is not yet his virtue😇).

[@sherrellsabree50]

Way off base re: Gods government. Once baptized you dedicate your life to the organization or the Watchtower society not Gods government.

[@sherrellsabree50]

@Mike Simpson my response was simply based on my experience as a witness. I was raised as one and baptized at the tender age of 14. Hence, I am all too familiar with the dedication speech at the point of baptism. However, I am no longer a witness and do not agree with their theology and doctrine. No need to throw shade on them for my sake as I am thoroughly abreast regarding the inclusion of the name Jehovah in the New Testament and its origin. Additionally, Brother Franz actually wrote the Aide Book to Bible understanding. He was disfellowshipped for speaking against some of their teachings. Since he penned practically all of it they no longer wanted to use it. But its not the only book the witnesses no longer use...There are tons of books and magazines they hide from its members and the public.

[@sherrellsabree50]

@Mike Simpson Are you referring to Fred Franz when you mention "his talks?" Im actually speaking about his nephew in my post, Raymond Franz, who researched and wrote the Aid Book. Not Fred Franz. Both were Governing body members. God Bless

[@sherrellsabree50]

@Mike SimpsonSo True!!

[@BEN280184]

You have asserted that JWs look at the Bible with WT eyes. That is not so. We look at the Bible from the point of view of context I find it interesting that you discuss context. may I ask please how far does context go, is it limited to a few verses, a chapter, or even a particular Bible book, or do you understand the context to mean the Bible as a whole. We take the context of the whole Bible into account. For us the Bible is ONE book that is in harmony with itself. One text can not contradict another. "It is impossible for God to lie"- Hebrews 6:8 (ESV) The Bible is from a "God that cannot lie" - Titus 1:2 (KJV) We firmly believe that the "All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching the truth, rebuking error, correcting faults, and giving instruction for right living," - 2 Timothy 3:16 (GNB) So no we do not look at the Bible from the WT point or view but we endevour to use ALL of the Bible

[@Ididntaskforahandleyoutube]

The Watchtower stated in 1981 that if you don't have the Watchtower when you study the bible, you will believe the doctrines of 'Christendom'. You can say that you don't look through WT eyes, but that is not the what the Society says. Cheers.

[@BEN280184]

RobotWookiee Please find that quote so that I can see it in context. I ask that because it is interesting that the video mentions the 1910 Watchtower that supposedly was teaching a similar idea, but does not put it in context. I have have full article if you want to read it. Besides the small portion quoted by Tim. In the article is this subheading "SCRIPTURE STUDIES" NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE BIBLE The thrust of that article was saying the Scripture Studies arrange matters (subjects) in a topical order. The Bible is not arranged in that order. The article makes the suggestion that because people do not consider a topic then it is probable that verses are not seen in the context of the whole Bible. (I can see that is a problem with the way Tim thinks and presents matters. He does not carefully consider the context of the whole Bible, and, thus applies texts wrongly) The article discusses how people tend to forget what the Bible says in another part of the Bible on a specific topic, so by not keeping all texts on a topic in mind, the tendency is to see things in a distorted light and that is what leads people back to old teachings. Under the subheading I mentioned above are these opening words (Capitals original) This is not, therefore, putting the SCRIPTURE STUDIES as a substitute for the Bible, because so far as substituting for the Bible, the STUDIES, on the contrary, continually refer to the Bible; and if one has any doubt as to a reference or if one's recollection should lapse in any degree, one should refresh his memory, and, in fact, should see that his every thought is in harmony with the Bible not merely in accord with the SCRIPTURE STUDIES, but in accord with the Bible. I also found it fascinating that Tim played down the idea of the need to be taught, but he mentions that he went to Bible College. Why did he go to Bible college if not to be taught? Why did he not do it all on his own? Why is he now a teacher of Biblical matters? Is that not a contradiction and hypercritical on his part to say that we do not need to be taught then turn around and learn and now teach? Of course we need to be taught. Knowledge begets knowledge. The more we learn, the more we should learn. All modern advancements in the sciences are made by building on previous knowledge. Imagine where modern medicine would be if no one learnt from previous mistakes that were once considered “medical truth” The Bible was written in languages that are very different to each other. Thoughts in those languages are expressed in very different ways. Someone needs to keep learning and searching. The WT publications DO NOT take the place of the Bible. They help put subjects in context.

[@Ididntaskforahandleyoutube]

+Ben Burns February 15th, 1981. I would find the original writing as a great deal of information on the CD has been changed due to getting caught misquoting scholars, changing doctrine, and much more--and I can prove all of this. There are many articles written over the years by the Society that make it abundantly clear that Christians cannot understand the Bible without their approved literature and that not using the Watchtower when reading scripture shows a rebellious spirit which is Satan led thinking. I could copy and paste about 25 said articles if you wish. The one I cited is just the tip of the iceberg. And to make it abundantly clear, I am not your enemy. I have no ill will towards you at all. I just want you to know the truth. Cheers.

[@BEN280184]

RobotWookiee Thank you for that. I just looked it up. the article is entitled "Do We Need Help to Understand the Bible?" It gives several Biblical examples of ones needing help to understand the sacred scriptures such as the Ethiopian Eunuch. Jesus after his resurrection walking on the road with tow disciples .... “Commencing at Moses and all the Prophets,” the Bible record says, “he interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the Scriptures.” With what result? After Jesus had identified himself and vanished from their sight, they said: “Were not our hearts burning as he was speaking to us on the road, as he was fully opening up the Scriptures to us?”-Luke 24:27, 32...... In the locked room with his 11 apostles he explains things more clearly...... . While they were still speaking about these things, Jesus suddenly appeared in their midst. Did Jesus provide them with further enlightenment? Yes, for he explained: “These are my words which I spoke to you while I was yet with you, that all the things written in the law of Moses and in the Prophets and Psalms about me must be fulfilled.” And Luke adds: “Then he opened up their minds fully to grasp the meaning of the Scriptures.”-Luke 24:44, 45........ And then there was Apollos .... The situation with Apollos, who “was well versed in the Scriptures,” also illustrates the need for guidance from a proper source. Apollos was an eloquent and convincing preacher about Jesus’ being the Messiah. But still it was necessary for a couple, who had associated closely with the apostle Paul, to provide him Scriptural guidance. When this Christian couple heard Apollos preach, they could see that he needed clarification on certain teachings. For one thing, he knew only about the baptism of John the Baptizer.-Acts 18:24-26.... So there is every good reason that we need someone to teach us. we can not learn the Bible truths on our own. Tell me where scripturaly it is wrong to be taught by someone. It us abundantly clear to me that the Bible supports the idea that we need to be taught. The question is, who is teach the truth about who God is, what he requires from us for salvation, and what the future holds. I have looked at the teachings of the major "christian" religions on those subjects and examined them against the Bible. I have looked at the teachings of JWs in regard to those subjects and examined then against the Bible. I have over 30 English Bibles as well as about 10 different master Greek Texts that I compare the teachings against. Only the JWs teach what the Bible says in regard to those important topics

[@Ididntaskforahandleyoutube]

+Ben Burns I'll get back to you defending an obviously unbiblical view of scripture later, but let me ask you this: Do you actually believe that no one could properly understand the Bible for 1800 years until a suit salesman from Allegany, Pennsylvania came along with doctrine (or Bible 'aid and materials') that not a single Christian in history had ever believed (or even heard of)--and now we have the truth? Also, please keep your comments succinct as you'll bring up ten points that I don't have time to discuss. I don't mind having in-depth conversations as long as they are reasonable in length to deal with. Cheers

[@eastanglianlife5461]

Some people show Rafael was the greatest painter ever lived others it was DaVinci

[@Gonefishing185]

I’ve not seen anyone walking as slow as the JW on field service

[@kathleenking47]

Something weird must've been in 19th century NY state (@spirit) LDS Also came from same area

[@sameerolail]

I never run into,or was contacted by a JW. It was always the mormans. I live in Texas.

[@bigcountry648]

Do you know enough about your own religious views of your own church to discuss the position at hand!?!...

[@Nepthu]

Cleary he hasn't done research.(sarcasm)

[@Nepthu]

It's called research. Try it sometime.

[@steveleung855]

*[[Num 21:8]] KJV* And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. Did The Scriptures say that Moses set the serpent on a cross or on a pole aka an upright stake known as Stauros? *[[Joh **3:14**]] KJV* And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: Do you see how Christianity replaced the upright pole with a cross?

[@DoctorWhoNo1A]

Only intelligent persons can teach. The fig tree can teach. [Matthew 24:32] Therefore, the fig tree is an intelligent person. Only intelligent persons can teach. Nature can teach. [1 Corinthians 11:14] Therefore, nature is an intelligent person. If nature and the fig tree can be teachers, then can it really true that teaching is something ONLY a person can do?

[@jamesmorgan2064]

Hello from 2022!!!

[@titaniumsteel9114]

A number of splinter groups have separated from Jehovah's Witnesses since 1931 after members broke affiliation with the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. Earlier group defections from the Watch Tower Society, most of them between 1917 and 1931, had resulted in a number of religious movements forming under the umbrella term of the Bible Student movement. After 1931, some isolated groups of Jehovah's Witnesses came to distrust instruction from outside the local area. Some preferred their autonomy even after persecution and isolation abated, such as in Germany following World War II, in Romaniafollowing Nicolae Ceauşescu, and in the former USSR following the Cold War. Beginning in the 1990s, other former Witnesses used Internet technologies to group themselves around shared ideas such as numerical analysis of the Bible, or a wish to embrace some but not all Jehovah's Witness beliefs and practices.

[@guylaurent8138]

The teaching of Jehovah is supported t be about love, ao why do they have to whip children to love him. All that does is making children use violence to teach love........

[@mattgardiner614]

Actually a comment about another video from this guy called 'Jehovah's Witnesses and the Trinity' because comments are disabled for that vid. Toward the end of that video he says that his view of the Trinity is like a "species". If I understand him correctly, then that version of the Trinity is even easier to debunk then modalism. Given that Jesus was a created being and an angel in his pre-human existence, then if Trinity is a "Species", then the angels and demons must be part of the trinity too.

[@TimMartin]

The reason comments are banned is that I grow tired of comments like yours that shows no understanding of the information you are arguing against. I enjoy discussing the issues, and I am fine if we do not agree, but if you don't even understand, then it will go nowhere.

[@nohhknowwyeww]

39:47 not having a name doesn't mean if you are a person or not, you say. Yet you cite demons do not have names but they also do not necessarily have physical form. The case of the one guy with legion says many demons in a physical person if demons were physical form so many people would not fit in a physical person...God is a spirit, the holy spirit is a spirit, demons seem to be spirits, attitudes are spirits or natures, but none of those is a fleshly. So far many spirits do not have names in the Bible , but that might be a factoid that might matter as much as saying people wore sandals instead of socks...true, but so what?! kind-of-thing.-Ernie Moore Jr.

[@josephtucker9612]

How does JW's teach you what the verse means from the bible? The answer is other verses must not be in contradiction. For example the trinity doctrine was not taught by Jesus. And Jesus and the holy spirit does not know everything God knows so they can not be God. The ASV says: But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, NEITHER THE SON, but the Father only. Jesus and the holy spirit does not know the day or hour, only the Father knows. This means Jesus and the holy spirit are not God, only the Father is God. If you compare the King James Version with other translations you will find the KJV leaves out the son. The KJV says: But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. The trinitarians knew this verse to be a problem but since only the Father knew and according to trinity rules, the Father is not the holy spirit and Jesus is not the Father, removing the words “NEITHER THE SON” did not fix their problem. Jesus and the holy spirit did not know the day and hour. You can compare the KJV with other translations. Compare verses: www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/24-36-compare.html The Watchtower also adds additional information like the history of the trinity. And it pointed to the writings of Isaac Newton about two scriptures he found that had been corrupted by trinitarians. “An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture”. 1 Timothy 3:16 and 1 John 5:7-8 in the KJV. He proved the corruptions by comparing the Latin manuscripts to the Greek manuscripts. He blames "the Roman church" for the frauds. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Historical_Account_of_Two_Notable_Corruptions_of_Scripture Since Jesus never used his ability as the great teacher to clearly teach a trinity doctrine it is left it to corrupted manuscripts, false reasoning, liars, and man-made creeds (Athanasian Creed). John 1:1 The Coptic language was spoken in Egypt in the centuries immediately following Jesus’ earthly ministry, and the Sahidic dialect was an early literary form of the language. Regarding the earliest Coptic translations of the Bible, The Anchor Bible Dictionary says: “Since the [Septuagint] and the [Christian Greek Scriptures] were being translated into Coptic during the 3d century C.E., the Coptic version is based on [Greek manuscripts] which are significantly older than the vast majority The Sahidic Coptic text reflects an understanding of Scripture dating from before the fourth century, which was when the Trinity became official doctrine. The earliest translations of the Christian Greek Scriptures were into Syriac, Latin, and Coptic. Syriac and Latin, like the Greek of those days, do not have an indefinite article. Coptic, however, does. Moreover, scholar Thomas O. Lambdin, in his work Introduction to Sahidic Coptic, says: “The use of the Coptic articles, both definite and indefinite, corresponds closely to the use of the articles in English.” The Coptic translation supplies interesting evidence as to how John 1:1 would have been understood back then. Evidently, those ancient translators realized that John’s words recorded at John 1:1 did not mean that Jesus was to be identified as Almighty God. The Word was a god, not Almighty God. Coptic John 1:1, Assumptions vs. Facts coptictruch.blogspot.com/ The web page says this: Not ONE of the scholars appealed to by the apologists said that Coptic John 1:1 should be translated to say "The Word was God." Not one. Not one said that "a god" was an incorrect translation of Coptic ou.noute. In fact, the interlinear reading for Sahidic Coptic John 1:1c in scholar Bentley Layton's Coptic in 20 Lessons (2007)specifically reads "a-god is the-Word." The Coptic text of John 1:1c was made prior to the adoption of the Trinity doctrine by Egyptian and other churches, and it is poor scholarship to attempt to perform eisegesis by "reading back" a translation such as "the Word was God" into any exegesis of the Coptic text. Such a rendering is foreign to Coptic John 1:1c, which clearly and literally says, "the Word was a god." Some other translations that don't say “a god” are as follows: 1808: “and the word was a god.” The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London. 1864: “and a god was the Word.” The Emphatic Diaglott, by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London. 1935: “and the Word was divine.” The Bible-An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed, Chicago. 1935: “the Logos was divine.” A New Translation of the Bible, by James Moffatt, New York. 1975: “and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen, Germany. 1978: “and godlike sort was the Logos.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider, Berlin. 1979: “and a god was the Logos.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Jurgen Becker, Würzburg, Germany. The trinity has been thoroughly researched by the Watchtower and is confirmed by the bible and external resources. You can't get this information just reading the KJV.

[@gasmaskerhub2075]

The trinity shows up throughout the Bible, Genesis even shows the Godhead

[@jsusgnzlz4584]

I like the drawing the circle in the center and the and lines to show the trinity how many fathers did Jesus have? oneGod the father so you teach that the holy spirit is not the father or Jesus 3 distinct persons and in the baptism i see two I see Jesus and we hear the father and I see Jesus been anonoited by the father I asked Jesus when you were baptized who descended the third person of the trinity ??mat 1:18 is there a3rd person Jesus would know john8:28:-29 john14:10 Luke 5:17 acts2:22acts10:38 isaiah61:1-3

[@titaniumsteel9114]

Gospel Jn 10:31-42 The Jews picked up rocks to stone Jesus. Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from my Father. For which of these are you trying to stone me?" The Jews answered him, "We are not stoning you for a good work but for blasphemy. You, a man, are making yourself God." Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, 'You are gods"'? If it calls them gods to whom the word of God came, and Scripture cannot be set aside, can you say that the one whom the Father has consecrated and sent into the world blasphemes because I said, 'I am the Son of God'? If I do not perform my Father's works, do not believe me; but if I perform them, even if you do not believe me, believe the works, so that you may realize and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father." Then they tried again to arrest him; but he escaped from their power. He went back across the Jordan to the place where John first baptized, and there he remained. Many came to him and said, "John performed no sign, but everything John said about this man was true." And many there began to believe in him.

[@jorigen9357]

What a poor counter to the points. It always amazes me how easily people hear what they want to hear, and the truth follows their own desire of what to believe.

[@sherrellsabree50]

Witnesses have never believed death is annihilation as they believe in the resurrection. They believe the Bible teaches a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous. Not sure where you got your information re: that particular doctrine.

[@tecomaman]

God is everywhere by omniscience, what does God do on planets that dont have people ??you cant hide from God because he knows where you are ,right ??

[@eastanglianlife5461]

Always be kind to old people because you will be old one day god's wedding

[@mjp4111]

As an ex JW , I don’t know what the number is, but to be counted you must be baptized. A great number of those are children as young as 6 years old. Many of those preaching are unbaptized publishers.

[@evanwindom3265]

Don't be impressed by the number of magazines they print. Remember -- those aren't typically going to people who are paying for subscriptions. They're printing them for THEMSELVES and trying to give them away. That number is NOT an indication of their success, no matter how much they'd like you to believe it is.

[@777Tralfaz777]

So, at cost to themselves, they preach the good news. Interesting.

[@evanwindom3265]

@@777Tralfaz777 All I'm saying is that we should not interpret the high printing volumes as public demand for the publications, because it's not. And I'd disagree with the definition of the "good news" you're probably using, but that's a different subject.

[@777Tralfaz777]

@@evanwindom3265 The preaching is not about "public demand", but about obedience to Jesus words. Some are responding positively to it. 😀 THE GOOD NEWS God sent His Son to be the messiah. Jesus gave his life so we can have everlasting life, if we exercise faith in Jesus, and his sacrifice. That sacrifice opened the way for the kingdom, God's kingdom, to be established. That kingdom was foretold to destroy human governments, and to then rule forever. Bringing about conditions that mankind longs for. Like this: (Revelation 21:3, 4) With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

[@StreamingTruth]

Great work. I wish you used the KJV, but otherwise, excellent. Thank you.

[@monsterznmore2209]

hey buddy I have a question my friend, my nephew was told by a Baptist or Methodist person that the KJV is a JW version. Is this true?

[@StreamingTruth]

Monsterz n More Absolutely not ... The King James Bible was originally published in 1611. The JW's started in the 1870s. They use a false version of the Bible called the New World Translation where they change key passages in the Bible. Whoever told you that is either a liar or very deceived.

[@monsterznmore2209]

New Covenant Baptist thanks

[@uski59]

Ive studied both the KJ & the NWT side by side.....& several others....The NWT published in Whole 1984 isnt false, its revised, updated to something much more understandable for the 20th century,.. if you take the effort to read the preface youll see it wasnt printed haphazardly, but was extensively researched for decades before it was issued...... .Believe what you want to believe,.....Satan is forever attacking your Faith, & if he can succeed in stumbling you on the truth of Gods Word..........He has Won. Where are you now?..... Must you be Blinded & re-educated like the apostle Paul ?...who thought he was doing good....or Will accept the truth & be saved...again....like Paul,.... .or will you continue like the stiff-necked Israelites who had to wonder for generations in a harsh wilderness..... Matthew 6:33 33 “Keep on, then, seeking first the Kingdom and his righteousness,

[@uski59]

1611 The KJV printed,...man still believed the sun rotated around the earth,....... 1640 Catholics imprisoned Galileo for trying to prove otherwise. How accurate is the KJV gonna be ?

[@yvondenis5783]

Studied with them for two year and nothing but the bible was needed or used to back their teaching. The changes in their bible, and I've dearly check them all, are simply justifiable. Been listening to all others I could and to this day they (JW) are the one I'd go to if I'd need to decide now. I invite all to do their own du-diligence before exposing oneself to blasphemy .

[@TimMartin]

Hi Yvon, I appreciate your comment and candor. I would be very interested in your thoughts on my short series "Should you trust the Watchtower" kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6XMY6CqbLBrj68

[@BrentRF]

The NWT bible is a joke and no bible theologian takes it seriously. They actually say it's harmful. biblicalworldviewacademy.org/major-problems-with-the-new-world-translation/

[@BrentRF]

They rely heavily on their publications and use very carefully cherry picked scriptures to cobble together some strange doctrines.

[@BrentRF]

They carefully left out the scriptures about false prophets and who knows the day of Armageddon. And how to identify a true religion.

[@yvondenis5783]

@@TimMartin It be my pleasure to discuss things with you. I am really not good at putting things together in writing. I can understand your standing, and I do see, it is from a point of view I believe need be realised to endup to the truth. Like you, and I believe most, I want the truth, the all truth, and nothing but the truth. Get back to me with a proposal of how we can communicat live and know that I always crave a better understanding.

[@cecilburrell2439]

John 3:16 God sent His "beloved Son"...God did not send himself but His Son...

[@faditawil1027]

You just demonstrated that you don’t know what the trinity teaches ... Of course God sent his Son but we believe the Son is divine just as the Father ..

[@aquastone4792]

Jesus said to make deciples of all nations and people's so why are you knocking their doing so? It's not about how much they are doing its about are they teaching the gospel of Christ and His Kingdom? Faith without works is dead!

[@paulasmith3901]

You are not talking truth about the Witnesses. We do believe that god is everywhere . Jesus is not god , by reading many scriptures you will see he is separate to god . The trinity is not spoken in the bible at all . It is you that has got it all wrong read genisis Jesus was a co worker with god in creation jeasus was gods first creation than they worked together in all creation there after. There is so much more that you don’t see the hole picture get it all right not just bits . Have a bible study and use your own bible !,

[@fredrolinners8903]

Why do the JW's forbid worshiping Jesus, but in their writings they sometimes affirm He is properly worshiped? They are very confused.

[@jonjohnson5542]

3:22 They should be able to make an exact replica. This is the technology age.

[@eastanglianlife5461]

St. Paul's cathedral is very beautiful

[@eastanglianlife5461]

Spell shout not kill is a good idea no matter who you are

[@steveleung855]

*[[Rev **21:12**]] KJV* And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: Where is the Gate for your Demon mi Nation, how will you get into the Kingdom?

[@christophernb1963]

Are they adding each individual's hours together. Because it's not that many hours in a year. One year equals about 8760. When do they have time to work, LOL.

[@shadegreen5351]

That is an aggregate number of hours put in by every member of the religion. The overall average is about 12 hours per member.

[@readyourbible1829]

the are no capitals in greek..so a god is right....Not God

[@karincampbell9289]

While watching your video, you mentioned JW don't believe in resurrection, but re- creation. I thought back to what you explained about their belief about God as " not omniscient" does not know everything. How then can JW say with confidence that God can re-create you if He does not know everything, and may not know how to re- create you as you once were. To re-create something, I think a knowledge of how it was before, would be important to re-create something as it once was. We take pictures, make notes, drawings of things, in case it disappears, so we can make it again like it once was. Re- creating, would indeed mean the maker knows exactly how it once was, and shows God indeed knows everything!

[@TimMartin]

Hi Karen, that is a good question. I had not thought about it before. But, the JW beleive that God has potential omnisciense. He could know everything, but has withheld this ability in a limited way. I suppose a JW would respond to your point by saying that Jehovah doesn't limit his knoweldge of a person like he does of future events.

[@777Tralfaz777]

God is "omniscient" in that He knows all that is happening, and that has happened. God ability to know the future is what we believe is controlled, or optional for God. He can know the future in specific details, if He chooses to, or He can let certain things play out.

[@karincampbell9289]

@@777Tralfaz777 Interesting. I believe, as the Bible says, " He knew me in my mother's womb," and I believe the God who spoke the world into being, rose from the dead, is definitely able to raise us as opposed to re- create. I can't wrap my head around His powers, but just accept His omnipresence, omnisciency, and delights in His creation. Even through my sin, as a creation of God, saved by the blood that He shed, He sees me as a child, and has written my name in the Book of Life. My whole walk with The Lord, is based on His death, resurrection, and the promise He has given me for my life after death, not a re- creation of me. It seems like the idea of re-creation is downplaying His promise of salvation, and my promise of everlasting life.

[@karincampbell9289]

@@TimMartin Sad, potential omniscience? When I parlay to Him, am I to wonder if He has the potential to hear my request? Or the potential to forgive my sins? Definitely not how I look at the God of the universe, creator of everything.

[@karincampbell9289]

@@777Tralfaz777 I don't believe God is limited, or has options. It is a hard concept to know everything, all of the time for every living soul, past, present and future. But the same God who spoke the world into being, was raised from the dead, has unlimited powers. I don't doubt for a minute, that He know the future with complete certainty and with impeccable and indisputable details.

[@messengertothenations309]

it is clear that Tim Martin doesnt understand hebrew thought and hebrew grammer when it comes to the trinity doctrine. in hebrew we have prefixes and suffixes which are letters placed before and after a word and these can change the whole dynamics of a word and even a sentence. now in hebrew grammar we have what we call a yod prefix and in hebrew when a yod is prefixed to a verb it always becomes masculine singular and is translated into english with the masculine singular word "HE". in hebrew we have the Shema which says: "shema Yisrael YHWH eleheinu YHWH echad" which translated into english means hear o Israel Yahawah our God Yahawah is one. now with the word Israel we see that hebrew grammar has applied a yod (letter y) prefix in the word Yisrael which means "He" turns the head of God. this name was given to Jacob who is just "one" man which means that the name of Israel has been put in a masculine singular context. the same applies for Jacobs own name Ya'aqov (HE catches the heel) and his fathers name Yitzak or Isaac (HE rejoices) where the yod prefix has been applied. Ishmael is another example. now when we look further into the shema we see that Gods name YHWH has been mentioned twice but again we see that hebrew grammer has applied the yod prefix in Gods name also which means "HE exists". so Gods name has been put in a masculine singular context and this is consistent with the following words eleheinu and echad (numerical 1) behind Gods name. now if the trinity teaching was true hebrew grammar requires Gods name to be put in a plural form and the word echad should be "shaloshah be echad" or three in one. but as hebrew grammar has put the entire shema in a masculine singular context it proves beyond any doubt that the trinity is a false teaching as it violates hebrew grammar. so i have to say Tim Martin that your trinity teaching is without foundation and blasphemous towards the living God and that Jehovahs witnesses are correct in their teaching. to condemn the witnesses by means of a false teaching you have brought condemnation upon yourself. i strongly suggest you change your thinking

[@republiccooper]

You should watch Mike Winger's series on the Gospel of Mark. It's available on KZbin.

[@lorenzovillarosa6715]

Apostacy!;,please read 1Tim.4:1(However,the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons)

[@777Tralfaz777]

Correct. Like the teaching of the trinity. The Bible is the touchstone. (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

[@cecilburrell2439]

Revelation 21 John saw a vision of a new heaven and earth all will not go to heaven i heed you all to read and understand I am not a JW but i truly believe what the Bible says...earth was made for us to inhabit..a new heaven and a new earth

[@PJBearstein]

The Watchtower is an Adventist subgroup.

[@eastanglianlife5461]

Jesus loved everybody

[@sameerolail]

"Loved" not " loves"?

[@eastanglianlife5461]

Rainforests are very important destroying them is a crime against nature

[@christophernb1963]

OVER 47 in the New Testament alone ! ! ! A TYPICAL EXAMPLE (Matthew 18): 10. See to it that you men do not despise one of these little ones; for I tell you, That their angels in heaven always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. 11. ----- 12. "What do you think? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astrayed, will he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? ("New World Translation", Revised 1984 edition.) What leading Protestant Greek scholars say about the "New World Translation": Matthew 17:21 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing? "Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting." Matthew 18:11 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing? "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost." Matthew 23:14 -- COMPLETELY removed. What arethe Jehovah's Witness missing? "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation." Mark 7:16 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing? "If any man have ears to hear, let him hear." Mark 9:44 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing? "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." Mark 9:46 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing? "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." Mark 11:26 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing? "But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses." Mark 15:28 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing? "And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors." Mark 16:9-20 (all 12 verses) -- They separated the last 12 verses of Mark from the main text in an appendix (of sorts) with this detracting statement: "Some late manuscripts and versions contain a short conclusion after Mark 16:8, as follows] (New World Translation, Revised 1984 edition) Luke 1:28 - Vitally important phrase COMPLETELY removed. "blessed art thou among women" Luke 17:36 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing? "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left." Luke 23:17 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing? "(For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.)" John 5:4 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing? "For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had." Jn. 7:53- 8:11 (all 12 verses) -- They separated the last 12 verses of Mark from the main text and place it at the bottom of the page in a appendix (of sorts) with this detracting statement: "Manuscripts NBSYS omit verses 53 to chapter 8, verse 11, which read ( with some variations in the various Greek texts and versions) as follows:" Acts 8:37 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing? "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." Acts 15:34 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing? "Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still." Act 24:6-8 -- Vitally important phrases (from verses 6,8) and all of verse 7 COMPLETELY removed. "and would have judged according to our law. But the chief captain Sysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands, commanding his accusers to come unto thee:" Acts 28:29 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing? "And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves." Romans 16:24 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing? "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen." Colossians 1:2 -- Important phrase COMPLETELY removed. "and the Lord Jesus Christ" Colossians 2:2 -- Important phrase COMPLETELY removed. "and of the Father, and" I John 5:13 -- Vitally important phrase COMPLETELY removed. "and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God" Rev 1:11 -- Vitally important phrase COMPLETELY removed. "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and," Rev 2:15 -- important phrase COMPLETELY removed "which thing I hate" Rev 21:24 -- Important phrase COMPLETELY removed. "of them which are saved" I John 5:7 -- Vitally important phrase COMPLETELY removed. In the Jehovah's Witness "New World Translation" it says,