Bass TONE Secrets REVEALED | Tech 21 SansAmp Geddy Lee MP40 Limited Edition

[@sandrakaminsky7107]

So glad you solved the question of the shmelgilka

[@Jon_Bass4001]

This is one of the best music gear review videos I've seen. Hit all the key points, has just the right level of tech detail, and the production was awesome. I have the MP-40 and it's at the heart of my bass rig for everything from church music to Rush covers. 🎸

[@LonelyRocker]

Awesome. Thanks so much for your kind words. And coming from a bass player I guess this old guitar player fudged it just enough 😂😂😂. It’s a great pedal. I kept it after this review. Love it! Thanks for watching!

[@Jon_Bass4001]

@@LonelyRocker Your bass licks were great! I’m an old bass player trying to learn guitar 😂

[@LonelyRocker]

@@Jon_Bass4001 Well thank you! I've played bass for a while but I don't have the hand stamina to play for long stretches but I do love writing on bass and enjoy composing good grooves. Definitely suited to studio work. Keep at it! You'll get those guitar licks down!! ;)

[@MikeGervasi]

I've got the GED2112 so I've got all of this already.

[@LonelyRocker]

Nice!

[@ron_gerson]

This was great, thanks. Your take on this as a Guitar Player was interesting. By the end of the video I was convinced that you are a solid producer as well.

[@LonelyRocker]

Thank you so much! Really appreciate your kind words. Cheers!

[@johell928]

IMHO this pedal is just inspired by the Tech 21 GED-2112, it is not a simplified / cheaper version of it. It can be a cool pedal but it don't deliver the possibilities and the sound of the original rack preamp wich has two DI output : one for clear and one for the overdrive.

[@LonelyRocker]

It can't match the features of the full rack but it delivers nice tones in a compact format for those that want simpler setups....

[@sammyvh11]

This pedal is outstanding.

[@LonelyRocker]

It truly is...I'm really enjoying it...

[@bobs1540]

Great job! Love the vid.

[@LonelyRocker]

Thnx so much. Glad you enjoyed it!

[@virgilrytaar9083]

Great playing........I'm going to say something controversial: the bass sounded insanely good without going through either pedal!

[@LonelyRocker]

Haha!! Thank you! Well, the Garbage In, Garbage Out rule applies. I make sure the signal is nice all through the chain :). Thanks for your thoughts!!

[@visog]

Great comparison video. And your bass playing was good (for a guitar player!)

[@LonelyRocker]

Very much appreciated!! I try ;)

[@Yyz1971]

Well hells yeah! You had my subscription at Geddy. Great demo! I'm sure that helped a smidge.

[@LonelyRocker]

Thanks for the sub! Glad to have a fellow Rush fan here! And thanks so much!!! BTW...check out my Alex Lifeson video :)

[@MooreBass]

I love me some Geddy Lee!!!

[@LonelyRocker]

You and me both!

[@franktreppiedi2208]

I got that YYZ pedal, and it's cool. It'll never give you the exact tones as Geddy, but it's useful to help me create my own tones.

[@LonelyRocker]

I struggled a bit with the messaging suggesting you can "get Geddy's tone"...We all know that's not possible...which is why I ventured away from that a bit but it is a great tool for shaping some gritty tones. I still enjoy it....

[@abouc]

Getting Geddy's exact tone requires the fingers of Dirk.

[@LonelyRocker]

@abouc I 100% agree with that sentiment.

[@nunoharris]

Do you like more the MP 40 or the standard YYZ pedal? Thanks

[@LonelyRocker]

They are both VERY similar. I grabbed the MP40 version because it's a limited edition and looks a little cooler in my opinion. It also has the 2 additional features which gives you even more options. That's the main reason I chose it...but the YYZ version is good too...

[@johnwagner9192]

Can you get those same tones live? I'm guessing you would set the amp to all flat settings and then let the DI set the tone?

[@LonelyRocker]

Actually I would dial this in WITH the amp. Do bass platers still use amps? 😎🤘🏽🎸

[@brutalbasspro]

This is on my board I usually DI out of a bddi rarely bring an amp out if I do I still di out of my board.

[@guydematas9447]

Hey that was a great demonstration. I really enjoy your videos. In your videos you demonstrate and explain everything in a easy to understand fashion. Thanks lonely rocker.

[@LonelyRocker]

Thank you kind stranger 🎸🎸🎸🎸

[@LemanskiHall]

Are you using the tight, boost, and/or shape shifter buttons in your mid drive setting? Great demo!

[@LonelyRocker]

Thanks!! I really enjoyed doing this one. I 'THINK" I did have the tight switch on but the shape shifter off. I forgot to note that when I shot it and then figured I'd keep people guessing a little bit. The tight switch really does tighten the bottom end up if you want more of a mid range growl. But if you want a warmer sounding bass it's better to let that bottom end through and tighten it up in mox...hope that helps!!!

[@nunoharris]

Hi. Do you know if the Tool setting is based on the Wal basses because Geddy used One ? Thanks

[@LonelyRocker]

I'm certain this was developed with his Ricky and Jazz in mind. But as you can see I played neither. So you customize it to your bass. You're not guaranteed to get Geddy's tone with any bass but you have a great tone shaping tool here to find Geddy influenced sounds...

[@ObeseChess]

The bass you’re playing is a BB404. I regret selling mine - great instrument. I think it was $199. Killer tone and playing, and thanks for the spectrometer - I try to boost stuff between 1.5k and 2k, so the “tight” button does it for me and the YYZ shapeshifter isn’t worth the extra hundred bucks over the regular YYZ. Cheers!

[@LonelyRocker]

My pleasure! Yeah that bass has a little mojo. Happy to help!

[@ObeseChess]

@@LonelyRockerthe model number was on a sticker on the back of the headstock that had a tendency to fall off - mine did the exact same. But yeah, it’s a BB404. The BBN4 you mentioned in another comment had soapbar pickups rather than jazz pickups. Again, cool bass, great playing, and thanks for saving me a hundred bucks!

[@LonelyRocker]

Thanks for clarifying!! I wasn't sure. Surprised it was so cheap...but it's been doing the job for years! Maybe I'll step up my bass game one of these days but I keep buying guitar stuff ;-). Thanks for your positive thoughts...cheers!

[@freegee3503]

I am DIGGIN' on your demo music! I hope you are writing and producing something somewhere somehow! 👍

[@LonelyRocker]

Thanks so much!! I make a lot of music for this channel! :)

[@mattrix007]

Thank you for the video. As others have said, great level of detail and enjoyed your playing. I was bummed the MP40 went so fast, gone before i knew it was available. I'm very curious about the cabling and use of the spectrum analyzer... what were you using to generate the pink noise, and what was the app/plugin for analysis?

[@LonelyRocker]

Thanks so much! Yeah it was a short run. I was lucky to get one. As for the test I used 2 computers. Running logic on my laptop I used the tone generator plugin to generate pink noise. I took the output from the interface into the input of the pedal. The output of the pedal went to the input on my interface for my desktop computer. The analyzer is Voxengo Span Plus. And I used video editing to blend the before and after. Hope that helps!

[@mattrix007]

@@LonelyRocker Grateful for the reply and the information. As someone who has maintained a desire to learn how effects pedals work and potentially make some, I'll have you to credit. :)

[@LonelyRocker]

My pleasure and so happy you are finding my content useful! thanks!!!

[@francoishtzl157]

The difference is the cabsim in these two (there is cabsim in every SansAmp, but they made a different one for the limited one)

[@LonelyRocker]

I Never looked at it that way....guess that makes sense!!

[@francoishtzl157]

@@LonelyRocker I send an email because they don't talk anymore about cabsim in some sansamp. But they say that every SansAmp are like the name to got without an amp live or to record. So it start from the amp to the cabinet. And for the limited version they make a different one but they wouldn't tell me what they use to do it (cab, mic,...). And what I really like about those is that they make them in the way that you can go direct with it it work correctly (not too fuzzy or DI sounding) but you can use another cabsim after it or an amp with your cabinet and that work too ! it will not be too dark and bass remain there

[@francoishtzl157]

@@LonelyRocker And if you use only the deep channel all other settings will change nothing, the EQ drive boost etc don't apply to the deep

[@stephenfell4338]

Hi great demo as a new subscriber i would like to view your daw processing eq compression etc thankyou

[@LonelyRocker]

Thanks for the sub! And thanks so much. I can dig into some bass processing in the new year. I've added this topic to the list! Happy New Year.

[@stephenfell4338]

@@LonelyRocker Thankyou there are many methods but none shown to accompany using a yzz so that will be interesting what you have done I look forward to seeing it happy new year!

[@LonelyRocker]

@@stephenfell4338 OK, this is giving me some ideas. Maybe comparing different signal chains. I'll make sure to include the YYZ. Cheers!

[@stephenfell4338]

@@LonelyRocker Thankyou as you did a good job of mixing it that will be appreciated when you share it "rock on"

[@rjkuser]

Nice to see you Slappa Da Bass!!! :)

[@LonelyRocker]

🎸🎸🎸😎😎😎😎

[@pjuliano9000]

Listerning to the solo tracks on you tube, I don't find these things sounds anything like his tone. He used an old altec preamp to overdrive an ampeg .. that's where the distortion came in ... just enough clipping to get some natural compression happening. Look elsewhere on youtube where people are using the ancient Altec preamp and it will be pretty obvious. They're nearly impossible to find. The EQ on that preamp was pretty important too in shaping the sound.

[@LonelyRocker]

I believed I qualified that in the video. Radically different bass and I don’t have his fingers or approach. I actually made a little “fun” about referencing his tone. The pedal is a good start if you don’t have all of that great old gear he used.

[@beegeesfanjessicashlee]

Fender Precision Bass played by Ashlee Simpson in January 2006

[@LonelyRocker]

Huh?

[@jamestom2510]

Awesome video bud, by the way the bass you have is a Nathan East pre release Yamaha Jazz. Very underated.

[@LonelyRocker]

Thanks so much! And really? There are no markings on the bass. It was offered to some employees at a music shop in Toronto in the late 90s. One of the guys who worked for me for a short time was going to pawn it. So I took it off his hands. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed it ever since but never had any idea what it was. Thanks for the insight!

[@LonelyRocker]

Can you point me to more info? I’ve googled like crazy but can’t find anything.

[@jamestom2510]

@@LonelyRocker that’s the problem, it’s not something that has been advertised, it’s weird of mouth, but stay tuned and I’ll see if I can research it out. I’ll post here when I find it.

[@LonelyRocker]

@@jamestom2510 I actually did some digging. it appears it is a BBN4...not as prestigious as your claim but considered a very solid inexpensive bass...

[@dez1989]

Please forgive me. I don't mean this as destructive criticism but constructive criticism. I am sure most Geddy Lee fans would agree with me. Us Rush fans are a Rabbid bunch. Anyone trying to talk about Geddy Lee's tone has to have (and play) a Rickenbacker 4001. We'd let you go with a 4003 with the vintage tone circuit. Most of what Rush fans go way back with the band. 90% of Geddy's sound from 75 to 82 (their most influential years) was done with his Rickenbackers. Yes, starting in 80 with Permanent Waves going through Moving Pictures and into Signals Geddy started to include his 72 Jazz bass. However on all 3 of those albums, the Rickenbacker sounded it's best! From Freewill, Jacob's Ladder and Natural Science to Red Barchetta, The Camera Eye and Vital Signs to Subdivisions, Analog Kid, Digital Man and Countdown were all Rickenbacker classics! And last but not least, all of Exit Stage Left except for YYZ was all Rickenbacker power. You can't talk about his sound without using a Ricky and just using a jazz.

[@LonelyRocker]

I don’t disagree with you. I’m a rabid fan myself. But I will add to what you said. To really get his tone you need his fingers. I also made a point to show non-Geddy tones too. It’s a great pedal and he does use the rack version of it. So it’s very much a cool pedal that fans can enjoy.

[@johnglynhughes4239]

I might add that Ged's Rick was modified by his tech (Badass bridge) hence a standard 4001 isn't going to quite sound the same.

[@dez1989]

@johnglynhughes4239 Every Rickenbacker I own runs a Badass 1 bridge including the 4080/12. I only veer off when it comes to the strings. Since the son took over Rotosound, their strings and customer service started to suffer and suck. I have too many basses. I now give my business to DR Hi Beams. I've never got a bad string with them. Nor did I ever get an attitude from DR like I did from Rotosound. I'll never give them another cent.

[@johnglynhughes4239]

​@@dez1989great perspective 👍

[@RedArrow73]

No. Just, NO!

[@LonelyRocker]

🤪🤪