Batman: Arkham Knight - A Response To GodzillaMendoza

[@s.k.4289]

So. This Wednesday at 12:30 PM EST, we’re gonna be talking about Arkham Knight on stream. We’ll have a Disagreement Day so anyone is free to join in and debate any of the points. We’ll do another one of these the week or two after to allow more opportunities for disagreements (and more time for people to watch and prepare).

[@Joey-vs4fr]

0:44 about that, I came back to his video to see if he updated his comment to talk about your viewpoint, but low and behold I think you might want to see what happened 😰

[@tombstone9500]

@@Joey-vs4fr what happened

[@Joey-vs4fr]

@@tombstone9500 I couldn’t find the comment, must’ve taken it down

[@tfordham13]

Small thing batman was bring affected by the joker pre knight as that's why he has a tank

[@cillianennis9921]

@@tfordham13 Not complete proof however. It still mainly has non-lethal weapons on it. Its also feeding into his paranoia when he thinks about it. He might've had it built without fully thinking it through. But this is the hardest point to address I am sure there is some answer but I don't know what it is.

[@DallasReimer]

S.K. Went from making stupid criticisms to calling out people for stupid criticisms. Such a redemption arc S.K. Great job on your redemption.

[@s.k.4289]

My Edge of Time stream is using the same standards I use in this video. If I can't defend it like I am here, it doesn't hold up.

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

I don't mean to be mean but GodzillaMendoza had infinitely more charisma than S.K. and is making better points. Obviously he's opinionated but to say "erm actually joker isn't the main villain of knight. Scarecrow is." Joker is not the main villain but he has more screen time and a personal connection with batman. He's basically the main villain. Like I said, no offense but this video is dumb. I don't HATE arkham knight or anything but I do love his video. This isn't bias talking as I've enjoyed your other videos even if they were proven wrong by others. Interesting that you took em down. That honestly takes guts.

[@s.k.4289]

>Joker is not the main villain That’s all I need, the statement is incorrect. He’s not “basically” the main villain because he’s a hallucination. It’s not him.

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

Yes

[@IGuessItsSketchyT]

Hey his Review of the Flash (The FLUSH) will be forever missed!

[@donovanblackwelder4301]

"What's Alfred gonna do, use a golf club?" You seem to forget Alfred is a stone-cold bad@$$.

[@Camzgotgamz]

Remember when he kicked Superman's ass in injustice?

[@altalia07]

@@CamzgotgamzHe didnt even take the pill!! 🥶 But still, it was an awesome scene

[@poopdoodoofart]

He literally has a shotgun

[@GlitchingRobin]

@@altalia07 he did, might wanna reread that comic

[@genesismultiverse4896]

Also he can beat superman

[@evanwirth7881]

The most insulting thing in the video was that GodzillaMendoza said that Scarecrow was a b-list Batman villain

[@pakman0049]

He's a filthy casual. Us real Batman fans know what's up

[@CrusaderWebhead3962]

​@@pakman0049Nah GodzillaMendoza is actually a really good critic. This one was js real dogshit. It was also pretty funny when he said "Arkham Origins actually had some pretty neat shit in it despite it being cheaply made. Shiiiiit I'ma go play that one." 😂😂

[@seasonembrace3624]

Eh to Arkham Origin’s defense it’s developer WB Montreal we’re put under time constraints by the higher up's with them having only a year or two to make this prequel entry and there a less experience dev team when compared to Rocksteady. So they didn’t have a choice but to recycle elements from Arkham City. It’s similar to how Nintendo's 2ND N64 Zelda entry Majora recycles graphics and assets like some of the NPC's & Enemies from its predecessor Ocarina and it also only had a year or two to be made as well. Origins is a lot better than what folks gave it credit for. Cheap is not the word I’d use for Origins. Flawed sure with some of it's framerate or glitches but it's not cheap. But if there are still folks who still disagree after reading this. Then that’s cool. Moving on from that I honestly wasn't a fan of GodzillaMendoza's video to be honest. It just felt like he really wasn't trying to give Arkham Knight a fair chance and judging the stuff on face value. It left a bad taste for me. Like I get that story wise City or Origins have stronger stories but it's not like Knight has an irredeemable story bereft of really good moments either. Like surely there's still plenty of really good things to say about Knight beyond it stinks.

[@CrusaderWebhead3962]

@RobertEdwinHouse9 Never said it wasn't. I js thought it was funny

[@seasonembrace3624]

@@CrusaderWebhead3962 Which of GodzillaMendoza's videos would you recommend? Since I haven't watched his other's yet.

[@CD.6239]

Both godzillamendoza and sk missed one thing The bombs payload is exposed they can use the power winch to trigger a controlled explosion

[@jacklove503]

Hahaha 🤣🤣 now that's funny

[@pakman0049]

"There's another settlement out there, that needs your help. Here, I'll mark it on your map for you."

[@amir.music2005]

And they also forgot that they can use the middle stick to dodge Joker's gunfire.

[@risingtarnished]

Scarecrow in Arkham Knight is probably the absolute darkest the character has ever gotten. His plans were absolutely apocalyptic and for Mendoza to claim that he's one dimensional is insane

[@spider-manunknown9193]

Facts.

[@Jjcbgoat]

What’s so complex about him

[@risingtarnished]

@@Jjcbgoat Complex wouldn't be appropriate. Scarecrow generally is a character that gets very little to work with. Having said this, Scarecrow in Arkham Knight is a monster. 100 million people would be considered collateral damage for him just to get to Batman

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

​@@Jjcbgoatikr

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

​@risingtarnished I can't recall specifics but take any issue of the modern comics and I'm sure he's done worse. I mean he wasn't killing civillians in Arkham Knight except for the beginning.

[@justinlyons2465]

I wouldn't necessarily consider Joker the main villain, more like a major plot point.

[@amir.music2005]

great point

[@Purified_Water_Enjoyer]

Yeah...that would be my main critism...too much Joker

[@SoyboyPeter]

18:44 not quite sure why Mendoza bothered bringing this up since Batman always goes out of his to save criminals and scarecrow likely doesn’t like the random rioters roaming the streets. Scarecrow likely sees them as test subjects. Additionally isn’t there a risk of the fear gas dispersed by the cloudburst continuing to spread horizontally?

[@chasingthebag4515]

Love how you stayed respectful to a legendary KZbinr

[@spider-manunknown9193]

Facts.

[@frogglen6350]

Godzilla mendoza blocked me because I kept criticizing him. He's a 🐕

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

Let’s see if the legendary KZbinr is respectful to this guy.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@ShockwaveFPSStudios I’m sure he will.

[@joycongod4831]

@@ShockwaveFPSStudiosI don’t see him responding if I’m being honest. Unless this video gets more views than his which I doubt

[@honeycomb170]

Glad to see someone adress the issues with the video. I was okay with it on first watch but grown to have more issues with the points being made upon replaying a bit of Knight and rewatching it. Great Video! 👍

[@SilentSnake1998]

Hold up, so the titan poisoning was gonna kill Batman within that one night, but all those people in the hospital were fine for several days presumably? I’d understand people who were undergoing extended medical treatment like joker, but people who just get a regular transplant would still be fucked. Also how did Batman even cure so many people when the serum was destroyed, and the blood was shipped to random hospitals all over the city? Even the world’s greatest detective wouldn’t be able to figure out who every individual infected person is, where they are, how to cure them, which hospitals got infected, exact number of infected, and shipping locations for the blood in time to save so many people even if he could teleport. Not to mention that Batman saving the hospitals kinda takes away from City’s ending, and makes it feel nowhere near as bittersweet as it was meant to be. Batman survives and saves Arkham city, but Joker dies and takes countless innocent people with him. That ending had so much impact, and felt grim as well as surprising. But with Knight, now the only thing that stuck was Joker dying and Batman taking a full on W with no real downsides.

[@ismaelbauman2156]

I see your point but you are conveniently forgetting that all of the infected jokers in Knight died. And while they appeared evil they were just sick. So it is still tragic in a way.

[@SilentSnake1998]

@@ismaelbauman2156 Significantly less tragic. The power vacuum created by Joker’s death didn’t come into play, as Gordon himself said that crime fell and only really got bad when Scarecrow came back. And I feel like 4 people dying while literally every other infected person lived definitely diminishes the tragedy, and makes Joker’s last laugh feel more like a whimper. And even things like Harley’s revenge are downplayed to the point where they only effect one small section of the game and nothing else, even though her, Scarecrow, and Hush were the main problems Batman would have to deal with after city considering their set up. This is why I think Paul Dini needed to come back, because Knight’s writers kinda hand waved away most of the consequences, retconned how the infection worked, diminished the impact of City’s ending, shoehorned Red Hood into the story for the sake of a really bad under the red hood adaptation, and basically neglected most of the Batfamily even tho this game would’ve been the perfect time to introduce characters like the birds of prey or just the wider Batfamily in general. I like Knight’s gameplay (when the game isn’t a glitchy mess) but the story is definitely the weakest out of the original 4.

[@legoverse1412]

@@SilentSnake1998In Arkham City, they can still make more of the cure; Mr Freeze can easily replicate it with more of Ra’s blood, which they have a whole body full of a few blocks away

[@Abhishek-ue6tj]

@@SilentSnake1998Sure I agree the story of AK is flawed but it definitely isn’t the weakest. City’s story was absolutely riddled with holes. You can find a shit ton of videos going into it extensively. AC was saved by the Joker plot twist, his death and some really amazing boss-fights. Plot wise it’s basically just Joker making Batman fly around City while Strange does nothing till he just dies. Tbh Asylum is the only one with a great story. Origins is fine but again that follows a pretty cookie cutter story of a year two Batman.

[@ieatbabies5480]

Joker was infected for awhile after asylum, and he was also getting constant treatment from doctors. The other Jokers also were probably infected for awhile, the lady joke(i forgot her name lol sry) was being called a corporate killer in some newspapers in the diner section. And also got constant treatment after bruce found her. Bruce on the other hand in city, was getting little to no medical treatment the whole night and was doing intense physical excersize. Which was probably increasing the diseases speed in his body.

[@ReaseBurner]

The fact that video is 7 years ago makes me feel old

[@Nahidwash]

Ngl i wonder what the guards reaction was too batman just punching air when at the airship

[@Ilovebuzzsaws]

and then being chocked by air.

[@altalia07]

Yeah lolll

[@genesismultiverse4896]

Guards: maybe he is fighting an invisible guy

[@knightfallprotocol]

The joker is more like a plot device than a main villian. He's just there to annoy batman and make him go crazy. He's not an actual threat.

[@genesismultiverse4896]

Joker: hey I am not touching you I am not touching you Batman: you can't annoy me like that

[@RyanGP1203_MemeLord]

He is what are you talking about? If he doesn't fight the disease away the joker will take over and it's already shown how much hold he has on batman

[@knightfallprotocol]

@RyanGP1203_MemeLord but he doesn't really count as threat because she's real and he doesn't affect anything that's actually happening in the plot. Instead of inconvenience I should've said "plot device". And I say that because his existence in this game is a result of Batman continuously getting hit with fear toxin. As soon as you conquers the feat toxin, joker ceases to exist.

[@Hedron1027]

Dude I only just realized that in Arkham City, that hallucination was because of Joker’s blood. That’s crazy to think about because of how it foreshadows a major plot point in Arkham Knight.

[@Console-Lord]

IKR. Rocksteady are great at foreshadowing future games. Like how there is an Arkham City foreshadow in Asylum.

[@tamariomartin9080]

There was also that phone call too: “Have you started getting the hallucinations yet? I know, you never could tell if it’s Scarecrow again, that little guy with the hat, my blood running through your veins or after all this time you’re actually going crazy!”

[@Hedron1027]

@@tamariomartin9080 Oh, damn, I completely forgot about that too.

[@jesselucy4731]

5:58 also, if you played batman arkham VR (a nightmare bruce has mere nights before arkham knight) you see towards the end he sees himself becoming the joker, and responsible for the deaths of Nightwing and robin, directly tieing into his pushing away of his family, and the fear toxin manifesting the symptoms and even possibility for joker's personality to take over batman

[@Sully..]

He pushes his allies away long before he ever has that nightmare or him somehow turning into the joker was even a concept in these games lmao

[@jesselucy4731]

@@Sully.. but in this game it’s a point constantly criticized because of his arc being learning to not push away help in Arkham origins

[@Sully..]

@@jesselucy4731 well I guess he didn’t really learn much or progress as a person at all from his experiences during Arkham origins considering he pushes people away pre Arkham knight in other games that come years after origins

[@trevorphilips9065]

@@Sully..He doesn’t push them away if they’re still helping him

[@jesselucy4731]

@@Sully.. he only really pushed away Robin in city, which in context makes sense because in universe it still hadn’t been a full year since Tim became Robin and Jason supposedly died

[@mazerunner9065]

I mean about red hood helping batman, there are hidden easter eggs in the game that he was probably trying to replace batman as Gotham’s vigilante and betray Scarecrow after he finally kills him

[@genesismultiverse4896]

So why is Jason wearing hockey pants?

[@thisxgreatxdecay]

If Jason Todd just wanted to kill Batman and then betray Scarecrow so he could become a superior vigilante who saves more innocents by killing villains, why would be okay with killing so many innocent civilians as part of his plan?

[@4dbagel945]

@@thisxgreatxdecayscarecrow starts the story off by threatening terrorism, in order to have Gotham evacuated (He even warns everyone on a hijacked broadcast). This only leaves the criminals. Jason Todd sees no issue with killing the criminals left on Arkham because scarecrow gave everyone a chance to leave. If any innocent people were to die in the process Jason would probably justify it as a means to an end. He’s not thinking rationally because he’s been traumatized and is ultimately doing this to get revenge against Bruce.

[@CursedShinobiClown]

People still don’t realize that Bane is the villain of origins huh?

[@shadowmandeathstroke8232]

He's the villain you have to deal with the most but you do still end it by beating up Joker

[@Diabolicaleditz]

Or strange and scarecrow is the main villains of city and knight

[@naolerena3193]

@@Diabolicaleditzif anything ra's al ghul is the main villain in city

[@Jjcbgoat]

Not many people care about origins. It’s mid game just like all the arkham games

[@Diabolicaleditz]

@@naolerena3193 oh yeah I forgot joker is a side villains btw but you have to end a game with joker dying if joker does die

[@spider-manunknown9193]

All The Arkham Games are peak Superhero gaming and Batman Storytelling.

[@Jjcbgoat]

Spider-man is better than any of those mid arkham games

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@Jjcbgoat How are they mid?

[@Nahidwash]

Nice but in my opinion i think every arkham game is better or as good as the spiderman games​@@Jjcbgoat

[@CursedShinobiClown]

@JustAUser231 Prototype > 🥱

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

Origins honestly has the better writting while City and Knight waste Ra's, Strange and Scarecrow by giving them the least screen time and cool moments compared to Joker.

[@JustSomeGokuEnjoyer2]

W video. 20:16 i wanted to add in extra Arkham Material its stated that "But when Batman encounters the mysterious Arkham Knight, he ignores, perhaps deliberately, clues to the Knight's identity. For if the Arkham Knight is who Batman secretly suspects him to be, then that means he has truly failed someone he considers family." meaning even ignoring the fact that from Batman's POV Jason is dead then the story will still work.

[@jacobvalerio5290]

I was very disappointed by Arkham Knight when it came out but over time I grew to love it

[@spider-manunknown9193]

I think many people did.

[@Diabolicaleditz]

Ok I’m tryna be nice but every time I read these these comments I can’t help but call you guys bandwagons

[@ravencollins5638]

​@@Diabolicaleditz damn, people can't have opinions anymore, only one person can believe something and they can't change that

[@Diabolicaleditz]

@@ravencollins5638 I meant I think of a bandwagon and I’m not trying to call them that.

[@altalia07]

I can 1000% see why people were disappointed, but I loveeeeee him. Jason is also my second fav DC character so I'm biased but I still love the Arkham Knight. If the story was slightly tweaked I'd love him more, but he's still super cool.

[@protomonoss.a.5321]

I really don't know why people can't just have a second look for their opinions? Like, all Godzilla said (and you actually did) was easy to debunk with all the in-game story that you should know beforehand to avoid saying any kind of "flaws" that the game already explained. Or just a rationalization of the same elements the story establised. Great video.

[@pullupenthusiast3800]

12:35 of Batman Arkham knight secret joker dialogues video. This dialogue Suggests that Batman was infected of the joker disease, as well as the “Change of heart” story with Lucius discussing the weaponry of the bat-mobile and suggesting that his personality was already being infected, without the presence of the fear toxin. Ultimately he was infected with the joker disease but the fear toxin most likely amplified it.

[@adrianalobo6780]

This character arc is insane. SK is a real one.

[@chancylvania]

You know what I noticed? All his “criticisms” are just questions. And questions aren’t criticisms. Especially when they can be easily addressed like is shown here.

[@TheHeroHaven]

My only problem with the story is I think some of the ideas could’ve been executed a little better but overall I think it’s pretty good

[@SilentSnake1998]

If Batman didn’t have the joker disease, then how was he hallucinating Joker in Arkham vr, which is canonically meant to be the start of his affliction in Knight? And how would Batman having titan in his blood with no joker blood, STILL have the same effects as the mutated Joker blood? Even if Batman was afraid of becoming the joker, and that was supposed to be why Crane’s toxin made him have the effects, that still doesn’t make sense because if he never had the disease then he wouldn’t be afraid of succumbing to it. Also how does a deadly disease mutate into a non-lethal one? If anything, this should’ve been the next bubonic plague.

[@SoyboyPeter]

Because the nightmare in Arkham VR was a side effect of getting exposed to titan formula twice. In fact it was already established that titan does some weird things to a person’s mind in Arkham asylum, given by the fact that people who transform into a titan are unable to speak and go into a blind rage, and lose their rationality completely. Joker is still able to speak because he’s already insane. No Batman never exhibits the same effects as mutated creutz Jakob disease. Batman is paranoid of turning into the joker, it’s as simple as that. It’s literally been stated that the disease spreads like that to such a contagious degree. The four infected at Panessa Studios are still having their blood processed. And about that last point, Joker took 18 months to die from titan poisoning, the reason why Batman was dying so early is because his blood type was incompatible with Joker’s. So the 4 infected still have 9 months left to live since their blood types are compatible with joker’s.

[@mgood356]

Because after joker died in harleys revenge even robin and oracle comment on how he pushes them away it,s because jokers death affected a lot for some reason you gotta love how he doesn,t care about talia or mention her ever, what a joke of a story that game is but that,s why he hallucinating

[@csmartinez0832]

At 24:24 in the game there’s multiple conversations thugs have that make them think Batman snapped because he supposedly killed him in Arkham city

[@SoyboyPeter]

Those thugs don’t represent everyone

[@SoyboyPeter]

@B_D75 No they wouldn’t think that considering Joker’s face still looked like it had cellular degradation.

[@tomjames9681]

I’m not at all in agreement with Mendoza’s criticism’s of Knight as they’re pretty underbaked. The complaint about Joker being the main villain genuinely isn’t an issue, as it’s down to execution. Joker could absolutely be the main villain in all 4 games and I’d argue Mendoza is right in the sense that Knight is far more about the Batman’s relationship to crime and his own role in Gotham, explored more thoroughly through the Joker identity than through Scarecrow’s plan, but one facilitates the other so it’s not too much of an issue. Mendoza’s complaint about Joker’s prevalence in the story is still not an issue by itself. I digress, this response overall does not however effectively counter many of GM points, as easy to counter as some are. I’ll go point by point, explaining where Mendoza is wrong, where SK is wrong and where either are right. First point that became apparent was regarding the fear toxin’s effects and Mendoza complaining they’re inconsistent. He’s right, but not fully. Batman’s unique experience with the toxin could be due to its interaction with the disease in his blood, worsening it, but saying it’s just a new formula isn’t correct. We get a POV of the toxin’s effects at the starting scene with the officer and his visions are far more similar with the nightmare sequences seen in Asylum and numerous times in the AK than they are to a completely new formula with new effects. The new formula is mostly described in game to be a worse and more potent version of the Asylum formula, being able to go through clothes and masks and having similar yet worse effects. The interactions between the fear toxin and Batman’s disease get more confusing and inconsistent but it comes up in other points so I’ll leave it till then. Mendoza’s criticisms of the titans effect on Joker and Batman are really weird and garbled. Yes there are physical injuries caused by the growth of bone and muscle. That does not mean they are the reason he is dying in City, or Batman for that matter. It is said numerous times in City it is the effects of the formula in Joker’s blood that are killing Joker and Batman, IRRESPECTIVE of physical transformation into a monster. This is present before Knight and is an incorrect reading of City to lay more criticism onto Knight by making the effects of Joker blood seem more inconsistent. SK is right about the blood and titan being the issue, not Joker’s blood by itself. There are implications that the formula in asylum killed test subjects on its own, but these were different to the final formula Joker used on himself and Bruce. SK is right about the rules regarding the blood having unique effects. You can’t say it’s inconsistent or poorly explained. It’s sounds more so that GM has an issue with it as a plot point which he later talks more about, and wanted to criticise the presence of the idea in the story AS WELL AS it’s writing implications. I agree and disagree on different levels. Leading to the next point where GM says he finds it dull and ruins the Joker if his blood can be used to make another one. This is again mostly an execution issue. It was interesting that the Joker people had different concentrations of the Joker’s personality and how that resulted in new and unique versions of the Joker but overall I don’t think it was all that great given the little time we even saw these clones. That being said, personality wise GM is right that it would make a Joker clone out of Batman. We see as much when Bruce starts to fully lose it. Even BEFORE the fear toxin, in Arkham VR, which is something that will come up again. Yes SK is semantically right that Bruce will not become the Joker wholesale, but his personality will be virtually identical, with the addition of knowledge Bruce had prior to changing. GM mini rant on Joker’s personality being so easily transferred would need more explanation, it’s not a problem on its own. That’s the criticism I would have. SK instead responds by correcting him that “it’s not just Joker’s blood doing this, it’s the blood with Titan”, while responding to the broader criticisms with clips of Miguel. It’s sidestepping the criticisms but they’re not great to being with so it’s not a huge thing. I would be curious how SK would respond to the writing criticisms if the argument was instead the same other than the blood and titan being the cause. The timeline with the infection is weird in general. Joker dies relatively slower than Batman who we see on death’s door by wonder city, meanwhile Joker has had this for months since Asylum. You could say Bruce might have remained incredibly ill but not dead for a similar time as Joker before dying, but the people in Knight have presumably had it for months and aren’t anywhere near as sick joker was in city. The mutation changing the blood after it’s administered doesn’t clearly explain this, as Bruce gets all the same symptoms as the other patients by the time Knight rolls around, meaning the patients surely should’ve had his ill health long before Knight, however maybe the mutation stops making you sick and instead starts turning you into the Joker. It’s a messy explanation that sorts the timeline out but ruins the tension in City because this means cure or no cure Bruce wouldn’t have died. Bruce still believes he could die so it’s not a huge problem. However is it on,y down to the Joker having the most of his blood that kills him? It seems the blood doesn’t kill you at some point, as long as it mutates which it consistently did in all 5 people that had it other than Joker. Knight makes this plot point really weird. GM is right but for the wrong reasons when he says the cure was meaningless. Still strange that the Lazarus extract with the help of Freeze couldn’t cure it, but hey it’s not inconsistent from what we’re shown. SK is right, the hospital fuck up is not a problem. SK then goes on to say that the cure doesn’t work because Bruce is later exposed to the new fear toxin. This doesn’t make sense as a counter as Bruce shows signs of the infection in Arkham VR and in the prequel comics (the latter being less canon than official games). The Joker personality is seen manifesting earlier than Crane’s new formula being given to Bruce. The accurate criticism is just that the cure only helped Bruce for a small time or didn’t cure him fully. It’s not inherently wrong as GM puts it but is weird as stated before. Again GM is right in pointing out that Bruce’s symptoms being cured by conquering his fear makes no sense. You can say that the worsened state he was in because of Crane’s toxin is overcome but his overall illness predates the fear toxin. Bruce should still turn joker just like the rest. The flashback with Gordon also shows Bruce is already aware he is becoming a Joker and that predates the toxin too and it’s in game, not added later by VR. Ace chemicals bit is mostly neutral, GM is kinda funny, SK Is more correct though, however Gordon’s team being stationed there invites questions as to how Crane got in undetected and killed all of Jim’s men. The scene where Bruce gets the sample is a good example of the actual problems with AK. That soldier trying to use it on Bruce is really convenient as it allows Bruce to track the formula. If Bruce hadn’t got it here he would not have got to AC in time to reduce the blast radius. However, it’s not unlikely that the Militia would have this on them. TBC in comments…

[@tomjames9681]

GM complaining about Scarecrow is more of GM complaining in place of criticising. There is no real through line in his criticisms. It’s the kind of argument that sounds great to those who already agree with GM. SK gives consistently good responses to this bit. The Barbara scene is perhaps THE BIGGEST fucking plot hole in the game. It allows Scarecrow to blackmail Gordon without Bruce suspecting it’s possible which leads to a lot of the ending of the game, but more importantly, how TF does it work?!? How does Scarecrow know that Bruce will specifically see a hallucination of Barbara killing herself? How is Scarecrow able to frame it in a way that Bruce will specifically see a hallucination of Barbara being effected by toxin to the point of killing herself, something I do not believe this version of Barbara would do, and neither should Bruce believe it. This whole interaction changes Bruce’s goals part way through the game and greatly impacts Scarecrow being able to blackmail Jim and have him as a hostage by the end of the game. If Bruce didn’t think Barbara was dead, he could’ve rescued her before she could be used to blackmail Jim. Not only that, but it’s so contrived that in the elevator up to Crane, Bruce has to mince words about Barbara to the point where Jim can’t correct him and form a plan to save her. It’s ridiculous that Jim doesn’t bring it up in that scene. If Crane doesn’t know he can frame it this way and responds simply to what Bruce begins to say he’s seeing, it’s so convenient that Crane’s plan so heavily relies on something he COULD NOT have planned for. There is no prior or following scene where Crane is able to have someone see something so particular. GM only scratches the surface of this issue and does not outline it in detail enough, and SK is right in saying Scarecrow can respond to Bruce’s statements, everything after that is just incredibly convenient. Even if all of the staging allows Crane to do this, which again he has no 100% guarantee that he perfectly knows what Bruce is seeing, how does Bruce not doubt what he’s seeing after the whole game, and Joker appearing in that moment, which is already a hallucination, AND if you come back to that spot you can see as the player, from Bruce’s perspective the GUN IS GONE. It’s close to the worst scene in the game. The JL criticism isn’t great as we have no clue the power of the league and what it could mean for Crane. SSKTJL makes this so much worse because we now know the league would fuck up Crane easily. However, we don’t know how available they are, and Crane’s plan is still successful for the most part. SK is right about this. And yes, the blast is intended to go further than Gotham. The back up exists and it’s established he was co-ordinating it with Stagg earlier than the events of the game. GM also disregards the fact that the AC explosion is mostly successful. It only partially failed, and it took Batman being trapped in such a place that he would be badly infected by FT if the blast didn’t kill him. I do find it annoying how Bruce gets distracted in this scene by a conveniently timed call from Barbara that coincides with the clock tower just now being overrun which allows Crane to get away. That shit is retarded, but could easily be fixed by Crane threatening Barbara to allow him to get away instead. Jason and Scarecrow delaying their plan until Bruce is broken is fine as SK points out. There are more issues with Jason in particular, but the main thing is Scarecrow has to prevent Jason from killing Bruce early, meaning Jason just wants to kill Bruce. But Scarecrow is aware of this as he takes control of the copter at AC. This means Crane constantly allows the militia and specifically Jason to attempt to kill Bruce at other times, any of which could kill Bruce, which would prevent Crane’s broader plan of breaking Bruce. If at any point Jason kills Bruce, which he gets close to and is enabled by Crane constantly, then Crane doesn’t get to break Bruce. It’s implied that the partnership is very strained anyway, but Crane’s plan does not account for Jason enough. Jason says he wants to draw it out, and I know we can’t take fail states as canon but if Jason is taking actions that result in a fail state for us as the player (death), then these intentions could interrupt Scarecrow’s plan. Overconfidence is a fucking cheat of an excuse to explain incompetence. I’ll admit that GM’s criticism is not thorough enough and SK partially explains it as part of Scarecrow’s plan, but you cannot explain the shortcomings of their plan in game as due to overconfidence. This gets rolled out as an excuse to explain so many bad villains. SK does give other counters that are reasonable though. The Jason flashbacks are indefensible. They ruin Bruce and they make no sense in game. GM is right here. Bruce sees scenes that are not memories of the tape sent to him. Only the last one is recorded as remembered by Bruce in the scene with a camera. Then Bruce has a memory, not in the tape of Joker showing Jason having been replaced. This means, and it’s retarded as it sounds, Bruce is remembering Jason being shown he was replaced by Tim before he was sent the tape, retroactively. Meaning he is “remembering shit he wasn’t there for”. Not only that but it damages Bruce as a character replacing Jason so quickly. This doesn’t even regard the tapes, I can understand if Bruce couldn’t find Jason as he was hidden somewhere Bruce didn’t even know existed as hard as that is to believe. However, Bruce just replaces Jason too quickly. This is way more an issue of bad continuity. The Arkham timeline got screwed as they put way too much history before Asylum then condensed a load of events following it. Matter of family retcons Tim being robin before Asylum, as Barbara is out of the chair at that point then in the chair in Asylum. Despite this Robin isn’t mentioned. He’s not even sent with Jim to address the fake Bomb scares mentioned in asylum’s campaign. It’s basically because they didn’t invent him till city, then tried to fix it by pasting him in earlier, but that screwed Jason’s place. The comics make it even worse. The main issue with Jason is inconsistency. He gets tortured and programmed to the point of hating and wanting to kill Bruce, condemning a city in the process, then gets convinced otherwise in a matter of minutes by Bruce, even going on to SAVE HIM at the end?!? That’s not an arc, that’s two unrelated points connected by mouldy string. 23:45 Jason DOES NOT know Bruce can survive this OR that his armour can tank the shot, he specifically uses the method of going around the armour. A gut shot can have major consequences and doing this is another example of how Jason could absolutely fuck up Scarecrow’s plan which Scarecrow doesn’t account for enough. You cannot say Jason can rely on the fact that “he’s Batman” and he can survive this stuff. That’s like a character in universe acknowledging the plot armour Bruce has that he shouldn’t have in the first place. 24:16 Jason does the meme by having a pistol, then closing the distance while as SK says “Jason is getting his last words in”, which prevents Jason from safely being able to rant and allows Bruce to disorient him. Before the end of this scene Jason still wants to capture/kill Bruce. He fucks this up because he’s an incompetent villain, made worse ever time he says he knows Bruce’s methods so well. He clearly doesn’t act like it. 24:48 SK response is on point Mendoza is appealing too hard to outside sources and conflating them with the game, not acknowledging the game has reasons for this version of Jason. It’s actually horrendously all over the place when you lay out GM’s point. TBC…

[@tomjames9681]

SK is mostly correct about the ending and GM’s criticisms being wrong. GM’s Batman section is pretty bad all round, but I would question SK’s point about “Bruce knowing Jason would rescue him”. Ermmmm idk about that. He sees the red hood symbol at Kingston, but has no way of knowing what it means. He doesn’t even know what mindset he’s in after their last meeting. There’s way too much reading into the Jason confrontation however. I’ll stress again, if Jason’s programming is what’s responsible for him giving up on any sense of morality in regards to the rest of Gotham’s innocents along with hating Bruce, then Bruce talking to him the way he does should have little to no effect. It is a massive 180. In conclusion, I don’t like how inconsistent GM is in general as a critic. SK did good here, I’m not a regular viewer and also I apologise missing the stream SK did discussing the game. I don’t expect too many responses or any for that matter, but I thought some corrections were needed as I don’t think Knight is all that well written. Rankings for games in terms of gameplay: 1) Knight 2) Origins (not accounting for performance, if so then jt’s the worst) 3) City (even the remaster has shitty performance and input errors that Origins improved) 4) Asylum (of course not a bad game but the sequels improved upon it, impeccable level design though and best atmosphere that no game was able to achieve after it) Rankings in terms of writing: 1) Origins 2) Asylum 3) City 4) Knight (honestly, city could be down here, that fucking fetch quest of a narrative full of meaningless twists is only saved by great dialogue. Plot construction is on par with Knight. Knight also unintentionally damaged its plot lol).

[@e_knees8816]

Holy fuck he wrote a longer script then this video 💀. Read some of this and it is good though lol.

[@MigIgg]

Damn, ngl thats a very thoughtful and interesting analysis you wrote here. Honestly wish it was you that made a review and critique on the game in first place instead of Mendoza.

[@legoverse1412]

About Batman overcoming the joker disease with willpower, he’s done similar things before with the Titan formula. It seems like if you can hold off the mental effects (which Batman can do permanently thanks to locking up the Joker in his mind), then the physical effects won’t occur. A bit weird, I’ll grant you, but not inconsistent. It would be like asking how Batman is able to overcome fear toxin if the chemicals are still in his system.

[@adrudds]

Considering he didn’t understand the function of jokers blood and it’s infection, he must’ve had a really strange experience playing the games

[@RyanGP1203_MemeLord]

But he's right?

[@Darth_Moraband]

It baffles me how some people go on and on about the "One Bad Day" thing, and yet they still pretend they support Joker having a multiple choice backstory. The Killing Joke is not the definitive Joker story. It is just one Joker story and portrayal out of countless, and I'd argue that it isn't even close to the best (my favorite is the Arkham Trilogy, followed closely by his first appearance back in "Batman #1" and then "Mad Love"). Furthermore, the story even says that "One Bad Day" is just Joker's attempt to delude himself into believing everyone else is like him, as his attempt to recreate it with Gordon fails miserably. Almost every backstory we've gotten for Joker is implied to be nonsense resulting from his inability to accurately remember his past, so why do people take this one as gospel? Also, "One Bad Day" is not the whole appeal of the Joker. The main appeal, the one thing that has been mostly consistent about the character for the last 85 years, is his love of darkly comedic mayhem simply for the sake of having fun. The Joker is entertaining because he does things that, while evil, are also hilarious, and we get to laugh along with him at the joke because it isn't real life. He's the type of villain that doesn't need a cause or an understandable backstory. He's just a heartless monster with a dark but excellent sense of humor, although I'll admit that some stories, such as "Batman-Who-Tries-Too-Hard" (Sorry, Batman-Who-Laughs) have sadly misinterpreted this as meaning that all you need to write the Joker is bland shock value gore and the line "HaHaHa!"

[@SleepingSoulK]

I do wanna correct that Batman was still infected by the Joker’s blood he took in 3 to 4 pints of said blood as well as when he took the cure he only took half of it before going to try and give it to Joker in City but he died Batman was a gradually changing throughout the story and it was shown in the Vr games he pushed away a lot of people not because be didn’t see them as a liability but because he was scared he may hurt them if Batman lost control and the hallucinates from the Joker back that idea up for example being that the batmobile was turned into a tank due to the influence of the blood changing him

[@curiousguyontheinternet9023]

Clownpuncher 139 had a pretty good theory relating to this quandary. In Arkham City, Bruce was dying of a botched blood transfusion due to his and Joker’s blood being incompatible. He got cured of the transfusion’s effects when he took the Blood of the Demon, but the disease still remained latent in Bruce’s system without the cure to fully expunge it, hence why he only experienced hallucinations and paleness by the time he got the cure and not the same symptoms he experienced in Wonder City. It also explains why people didn’t die on a massive scale before Joker did from his blood, because their blood was compatible with his and the disease doesn’t act fast. The theory also postulated that in AK, the four Jokers would have likely fallen under the disease’s effects and died just like Joker due to mutating into the Joker and not being exposed to Mr. Freeze’s cure. Also, since Batman took half the cure, he wouldn’t have contracted this form of the disease and become a perfect recreation of the Joker, like the nightmare section at the end shows.

[@ultimate.spidey]

Actually it ain’t the intentions of the game but the execution of it. Let’s all agree Arkham Knight is a good game but it could’ve been done way better by establishing the narrative in gameplay the way the previous three games did.

[@Chrono-c5q]

implying arkham.origins was any good 😅

[@ultimate.spidey]

@@Chrono-c5q I get why some dislike it but, for me and many others it’s one of the most underrated games by far

[@somethingwithultra7231]

@@Chrono-c5q Origins some great character moments, and while it's mentioned alot (for good reason) it was still incredibly interesting seeing a Batman who's still very rough around the edges. And an actual adaptation of Bane that didn't take over the animated series' lack of care about him. Hell even Troy Baker as the Joker, though unfortunately being way too overused, was actually really interesting in his own right. If there's any story I'd actually say is a bit lackluster, it's City's honestly.

[@BAT2000-n8p]

​@@ultimate.spidey Or you could said, it had a much better storytelling compared to Kill The Justice League? It's a simple response

[@alexsaavedra8927]

The whole rellying on the "titan formula did it" as it justifies the whole nonsense of the bad blood joker sickness feels kinda froced, like its suposed to be a supersteroid not a magic thing that justifies anythin the plot needs

[@GodzillaMendoza]

Yeah.

[@Ilovebuzzsaws]

it most likely wasn't the titan formula which did it, but still doesn't make the Joker blood plot magic or absurdity, it has been misteriously mutated by whatever the hell Joker did to it, which is completely possible in DC's fiction plus with Joker's intelligence. and its not like it happens to anyone who is infected by it as it requires sometime to mutate without a cure to work. and finally, the victims of the transformation don't even become perfect Jokers, instead they represent some part of his personality with only The Batman being a perfect variant.

[@therealwhoever]

The issue is that it's not really inconsistent or hasn't been shown to not to this right? So it's reasonable to just have that as the reason and it making sense. We get introduced to titan from the first game so it being basically the true key to having batman basically start falling apart because of the own fear of becoming what he despises. Thats neat

[@kwayneboy1524]

Why not? Titain isn't real it can do anything the writer wants it to do like it to do I mean it can turn you bones into blades and make theme huge can effect people despite them not being exposed to it such as Poison Ivy. It also turned into a disease after words. That's magic plot nonsense mate I say its just believable as the plant lady and how liquid nitrogen can turn you into Mr Freeze.

[@kwayneboy1524]

​@@therealwhoeverwe're playing a game where all of this is happening under one night if you all can draw that point in the sand but it will always be arbitrary

[@LeonardoShellhead]

I'll admit that I didn't really dig the game at first but with time it grew on me a lot

[@applekhi3962]

bro shit talking scarecrow pissed me off the most ngl cuz this is one of the best versions of scarecrow as a character and villain

[@spider-manunknown9193]

A well thought out response to a great KZbinr.

[@THEKXRMANETWORK]

I’m still very disappointed by the Arkham knight thing tbh. Jason just kinda APPEARS in this game with absolutely no buildup from any prior entry. It’s hard to expect me to be impacted by this character that just kinda shows up, especially when he was built up to be a completely new character but only amounted to a sub par retelling of under the red hood. Plus the fucking abysmal boss fights in this game don’t help it’s case at all. All that being said tho, this game definitely gets more shit than it deserves these days, there’s still a lot of really good Batman storytelling here, it’s just not the perfect finale I wanted at the time or even now. It’s still the objective best in the series from a gameplay standpoint though, it’s so replayable

[@Ilovebuzzsaws]

Asylum and City (i think?) does have a few easter eggs, with Joker mentioning that Batman needs a new sidekick, asking Robin if he din't kill him already and a cell with Jason's drawings and i think there is one more thing but i don't remember.

[@THEKXRMANETWORK]

@@Ilovebuzzsaws I mean yea but even then that’s not enough to fully establish it happened before the game

[@Ilovebuzzsaws]

@@THEKXRMANETWORK fair enough.

[@THEKXRMANETWORK]

@B_D75 yea. Like there’s good aspects to the narrative but stuff like the poorly executed Hush plotline or the super predictable Jason Todd arc and the overall poor boss fights doesn’t do the game any favors at all

[@Terrymcdonalds]

The drawings of Joker's "cell" are not a reference to Jason. To begin with, they locked Joker in extreme isolation and even though many claim that Jason's thing was planned from the beginning when they were not even sure that Asylum would be a success​@@Ilovebuzzsaws

[@SpanIsh-k3w]

Just a little thing with Jason and his torture. Only the last one was recorded. All the others were hallucinations of what Batman thinks happened.

[@CurbStompa]

I love Arkham Knight so damn much, I loved it on release day and probably love it even more now.

[@Ash-Winchester]

I should point something out to GZMD... The Joker is not an anarchist. *Anarky* is an anarchist, joker is not. The Joker is a nihilist. Anarchy and nihilism are not the same thing. Anarchy is the truest form of democracy, whereas nihilism is just not giving a crap.

[@dc7981]

Nolan Joker is an anarchist nihilist… Arkham joker? Debatable

[@kwayneboy1524]

​@@dc7981even that is debatable mate

[@Ash-Winchester]

@@kwayneboy1524 Very debatable.

[@kieronrana5233]

i still think the joker infection doesn't really make sense. it killed joker and nearly batman in city, so why would its symptoms change in knight? i also don't get how they were able to save all the infected people since they had the infection before batman, and he was about to die in wonder city.

[@ieatbabies5480]

Yes but the Lazarus juice extended his time. And Bruce took the cure so its probably a weaker infection and Bruce got hallucinations in City as well with it. I dont think Bruce was actually going to become a joker, he just thought he was also its said that it mutated in the game and became similar to creutzfeld jakob disease(Idk if thats how its spelled) which is a disease that alters your personality.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

I personally think Arkham Knight and The Dark Knight Rises are 2 of the best ways to end of Batman’s character excluding stories that are similar in the comics and The DCAU.

[@s.k.4289]

I think Knight does it way better. Rises has an interesting idea but needed stronger connecting tissue for it to work.

[@CursedShinobiClown]

I was gonna disagree and say that Batman Beyonds epilogue in Justice league unlimited was the best Batman ending until I read “excluding”

[@robogreek3157]

​@s.k.4289 I think TDKR big issue was the joker was ment to play a big role and they scraped it due to heath ledgers death leading to alot of holes

[@Venom96930]

​@@s.k.4289Rises is still an epic movie tho...

[@skibot9974]

@@s.k.4289my one issue is how does Bruce killing himself/faking his death protect his friends? Surly the Rouges Gallery would still want to kill Batman’s allies even if they don’t know who is behind the mask Plus if they know Bruce is Batman it probably would be easier to deduce the identity of Robin, and figure out Lucius was building Batman’s gadgets

[@taitos00]

"Because Rocksteady is tired of making Batman games" the bozo says it like it was a bad thing, with everything having to be an neverending franchise that gets eventually ran to ground, I'll happily take a studio that said 3 is the charm and decided to end the storyline.

[@hamadawael9573]

great video over here , i can understand godzilla's frustration with the game's story especially with the lack of dini's input , overuse of joker (which may seem annoying at first for most) and the underwhelming utilization of scarecrow , hush and deathstroke (especially with how they built up hush in arkham city) but some of the criticism felt very nitpicky and taken out of context , the story is not that great but calling it having the worst finale ever is an overstatement

[@djb9267]

How is scarecrow "underutilized"? He Managed to Do many things that no one, outside of brainiac, could accomplish. He unmasked batman, bombed gotham with fear Gas and made bruce go into hiding. Deathstroke was also not underutilized. He became the Boss of the milita, after the knight disappeared, and was only beaten due to being caught off guard.

[@teddyisaliar271]

​@@djb9267 i love arkham knight but we do have to acknowledge and see how other perspectives. Like whilst yes scarecrow did alot i think the underutilisation part of is he was more like commanding not having his hallucination levels showing his past trauma and fears but instead just increasing jokers power which is fine but could have done more. And look the deathstroke fight was hugely disappointing cause we had the arkham orgins fight and we know what this man can do and yes him being in command of the milita is cool but the tank fight and 1 punch knockout was hugely disappointing cause this is deathstroke the terminator the man who jason sought out cause he was thr toughest basterd he went up against and this was the fight......come on man

[@djb9267]

@@teddyisaliar271 Batman did see his past Trauma, in the Form of jason being tortured. This is batman's greatest failure, and is being shown to him over and over again. Deathstroke's underwhelming Boss fight was because of the batmobile. Why would slade go alone, if batman has access to a Tank? Deathstroke was also caught off guard by batman, which he comments on.

[@teddyisaliar271]

@@djb9267 yes we saw the trauma but it wasn't scarecrow doing it it was the joker. And im sorry whilst yes they do make an off hand comment about the circumstances that doesnt make it good. Cause wh on the right mind goes ah yes we have one of DC famous mercenaries/assassin and for his fight we put him in a tank. And your tank argument is bad cause look at the game and how many other villains batman went up against without the tank. The arkham knight boss was hand to hand. Riddler hand to hand, two face, azreal if you choose the bad ending, prof pyg, penguin, deacon and maybe others i cant go off my mind who all know batman probably had a tank. And slade knew this he had the ball in his hand and he knew if he said a battleground batman would go there so you could have easily said a rooftop or somewhere else. No matter what you try to say it will always be bad and not a good representation of the character and bad moment for the game

[@kwayneboy1524]

​@@djb9267he feels like he doesn't have much of hands on the story compared to Jason and he doesn't have any memorable moments or scenes aside from two.

[@batboythecool]

Probably gonna be one of my favorite responses/rebuttals

[@fictionnerd78]

Great video! I’m not all that partial to AK’s story, but you make fantastic arguments in favor of it that were a joy to listen to. Maybe I need to reply the game and reevaluate my feelings to see if anything changes this time around. Well done! 👍

[@Joey-vs4fr]

I’ve seen that video before, and I quite agree with that Although I can still understand Jason’s hatred for Bruce in this story 1:07 in fairness it does feel like he is the main villain since he technically overshadows them

[@tamariomartin9080]

30:56 You know, given what EVERYONE has said about Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League, that kind of doesn’t hold up now.

[@kingmob2716]

While I do like Arkham Knight I do agree with a lot of Godzilla’s critiques. Particularly the Joker shooting Jason for no reason after torturing him for an entire yr made no sense, and your rebuttal that Joker knew Jason would become the Arkham Knight yrs later seems even more ridiculous and convoluted. Joker’s blood being magic and able to turn people into Joker clones,Scarecrow being able to subdue Batman with just a gun, all of these are valid critiques that I don’t think you did much to make them seem less valid. Your rebuttals annd explanations came across a rather flimsy and weak in my opinion.

[@SoyboyPeter]

I don’t think you were paying attention at all. Joker faking Jason’s death was meant to mess with Batman. The four infected people at panessa studios were being affected by mutated version of creutz jakob disease. A real disease that causes personality changes. And it’s a mutated form of it so it’s way more severe. This is a result of titan gestating in their blood for too long, and if you payed attention to Arkham Asylum, you’d know that doctor young intended the titan formula to serve as treatment for the minds of the Arkham inmates. So why wouldn’t the titan formula have some weird effects on a person’s mind and thinking patterns? Also the white skin and green hair is makeup. In regards as scarecrow subduing Batman with a gun, I guess you completely ignored the fact that Batman got hit with fear toxin while in the truck and was incapacitated from it like he was at staggs airships. And I know you’re just saying “in my opinion” as flimsy shield from criticism because you’re blatantly ignoring pre established facts for the sake of making an awful point.

[@kingmob2716]

@@SoyboyPeter 1. What a lazy excuse. How does Joker faking Jason's death mess with Batman more than just killing Jason outright? He can hurt Batman and get rid of a potential nuisance at the same time. S.K. is the one implying in this video that Joker knew Jason would grow up to become an enemy to Batman which is convoluted and not backed up by anything. Blame S.K.s leaps in logic, not me. 2. Jakobs disease is fatal so a mutated and more severe version of it would just kill the 4 infected even quicker rather slowly turn them into Joker clones. Also, the disease isn't just deteriorating their brains, its being so specific as to turn them into Joker clones with them murdering and mutilating people, carving smiles into their faces, laughing maniacally, being obsessed with Batman and their skin and hair changing color (And yes, there hair and skin are changing color. It's not just makeup and dye, you literally pulled that out your ass. Nowhere is it said to be makeup and dye.) Henry Adams was stable enough to trick and manipulate Batman like Joker would, is this something someone with a deteriorating brain would or could do? Joker's blood turning people into his clones is just a shitty plot idea, Jakobs disease or not. 3. The Titan formula was not intended for Arkham patients mental health, it was specifically designed by Dr Young and Joker as a super steroid. Dr Young's only goal for the drug was to make patients physically stronger. Why else would she use Venom, a super steroid with no benefits to mental health as the precursor? So the Titan formula having any effect on making Joker clones is just more magic handwavy nonsense. 4. And no, Batman wasn't dosed with any fear toxin before his final confrontation with Scarecrow. Why do you insist on making stuff up? It only hurts your arguments and makes you look like an idiot. And even if he was, he was perfectly fine when Scarecrow showed up to strap him to the gurney, so there is still no excuse for why Batman couldn't subdue the physically weak Scarecrow. Good job being wrong about damn near everything showing you know very little about the game you're defending.

[@RyanGP1203_MemeLord]

​@@kingmob2716 to pitch in on this for claim 3 about Venom it does have mental effects.....it turns you into a blind rage with a lower intelligence that's it's only mental effects and it's not a good effect to have

[@kwayneboy1524]

​@@kingmob2716okay I see you're pretty cocky and itching for answers so I got the canonical explanations for one of them and before you want to get all bent out of shape about it note I don't like this game(or your additude) so here. The reason why joker didn't kill Jason was because he did intend to have him be something similar to Arkham knight in the sense that he'd be a weapon used against Batman. Basically Joker planned to torture Jason and brainwash him into subservience so that he could use him to emotional wound Batman in a far more greater way. He initially planned to use Jason to fight Batman along with his titan army that's why Jason was secretly kept in an abandoned wing of Arkham along where project titan was. But after Dr Young noped out of the plan Joker decided to use Arkham Asylum as his final battle ground with Batman as he planned to wear him down with the imitates and titan henchmen. He original planned to have Batman show up beaten and hurt in his throne room and have Jason arrive and force Batman to fight his own son while he sits and watches. But Jason escaped that night and vowed revenge on both of them, Joker then improvised and used the titan henchmen and gave himself titan to beat Batman. Joker in this series is the master at the long con as many of his plans even the most smallest ones are months or years in the making such as that oil rig amusement park. From a sadistic point of view it's more enjoyable to see the look and shock on Batman's face as his own son thought to be dead shows up with to snuff him out. It's kinda like how MHA why All For One didn't kill Nana Shimura's family or her grandkid but instead turned him into a villain as it's more painful to corrupt then kill.

[@djb9267]

​@@kingmob2716If batman found out that jason wasn't dead, but instead someone out to kill him, he would obviously feel worse than if joker just killed jason.

[@leonardfabian8942]

If mendoza did even a lick of research he would have answers to all the questions he is asking.

[@skibot9974]

6:00 on top of that Batman didn’t take the full dose of the cure. Remember Freeze broke one of the vials, so Batman only drank half of it because he was planning to save The Joker

[@gtc1554]

Thank you for making this. I commented on that guys video a while back saying it did not age well. Thank you so much for these arguments that actually make sense

[@malachiteursa2410]

Great Video and very well put together. Look forward to what you have next.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

30:08 also, it’s called fear, takedown, and he expects it to be used on the guy who is physically in capable of feeling fear

[@MaigenMaylight]

I've never seen someone be so out of touch with a thing that they're "critiquing". They say art is up to interpretation--that's no excuse to give fallacy to ignorance.

[@shinesparkss5193]

Added note on top of that “Joker is the villain!” point- the idea of the Arkham games is exploring the Batman and the Joker’s relationship. That’s what it’s been since Asylum.

[@TyAmador-yg3kp]

That's what the entire series is all about. Thank you.

[@shinesparkss5193]

@@TyAmador-yg3kp it’s so strange how so few people seem to get that. Amen man 🙏

[@TyAmador-yg3kp]

@@shinesparkss5193 I've watch Clown Puncher 139 analysis videos.

[@shinesparkss5193]

@@TyAmador-yg3kp Oh fr? Ty for some content man now I got smth to watch 🙏

[@TyAmador-yg3kp]

@@shinesparkss5193 Your welcome

[@gigagod3384]

6:40 I think you’re really reaching here. When Robin says that Batman is turning into the Joker we have no choice but to take him at his word and assume he’s right. Batman and pretty much everyone else operate under the belief that he’s turning into the Joker and not once does anyone in the game challenge that . If it was just the fear toxin they would have said so but they don’t. It seems like you’re trying to make your headcanon a reality that every one has to accept despite there being no evidence for it.

[@s.k.4289]

They did say so. Batman said he had a bad reaction to the toxin but is fine when Alfred questioned if he’s okay, and Joker immediately shows up onscreen to contradict that. That’s directly implying it’s the fear toxin. Robin stating something doesn’t make it correct because he can be wrong. Batman is only afraid of the possibility he had the disease and the fear toxin played into that. The resolution to that was “I’m not afraid” after he overcomes his vision of becoming the Joker.

[@gigagod3384]

@@s.k.4289 No they didn't say so. Yes, Robin can be wrong, but the narrative never challenges his original hypothesis. Not once does anyone in the story contradict Robin's original statement. I mean what was the point of having the four civilians who were given Joker's blood are turning into Joker plotline if not to set up the big "Batman is turning into Joker" twist? That entire plot point becomes a waste of time if Batman was never actually turning. They could have easily said at the end that the 'Batman is turning into the Joker' idea was wrong but they never do. This is what I mean with you making a headcanon and adding details that don't actually exist in-game. Even if your theory makes more sense if it wasn't the intention of the writers there's no point in using it in defense of the game. I would bet money if you asked any of writers, they would confirm that Batman was actually turning into the Joker.

[@s.k.4289]

@@gigagod3384 Batman prepares the 5th cell because he's paranoid of the possibility of having this disease. The game directly implies that the fear toxin caused the Joker hallucinations when Alfred questions him on if he's okay, and Batman claims he is. The narrative does contradict Batman claiming he's fine after the fear toxin, by having Joker pop up right after he says he's fine. It seems very deliberate. I will say that it could be explained better so that the gamer doesn't have to do as much legwork to understand this, but I feel like the pieces are all in the game. The information supports what I said. I also don't think writer's intention is always the strongest metric for determining something, because the work should speak for itself.

[@gigagod3384]

@@s.k.4289 So one small scene that somewhat but not really implies it’s just the fear toxin is enough to convince you it’s just the fear gas but not the hours upon hours of the game insisting and screaming in your face that Batman was really turning into Joker? An idea that is never questioned for the entire game by anyone? No piece of dialogue discussing the possibility of it just being fear gas? Just a scene that barely implies anything is enough for you? I have no idea why the Batman being dosed with fear toxin scene is such a big deal to you. It's nothing more than a set up for the Joker disease twist. Were led to believe it's just fear toxin hallucination but then the real reason is revealed later. The Joker disease plot is the driving force of half the game. Does that make any narrative sense to set up a plot point, have that first plot be swepped aside with a twist reveal that sets up half the games narrative but then have the twist not be real and the first plot was the real one, but the game never discusses or confirms if it's real or not? It would make no sense to have the fear toxin be the real reason but then have the disease plot take up half the story and then it turns out to be the fear toxin all along. What a waste of time that would be.

[@s.k.4289]

@@gigagod3384 That "one small scene" is an explicit confirmation that the fear gas is causing these side effects, additionally evident by the effects only being experienced upon exposure to fear toxin. As well as Joker saying "give me some more of that fear toxin" in one of the hallucinations. And the fact that Batman's side effects are resolved by him shutting out his fears. Using the fact Batman believes it to be the case at first and that Tim believes it to be the case doesn't disprove the reasoning above, because what characters believe are not always fact. And Tim has reason to believe it based on how the fear toxin is affecting Batman. From his POV, he has just been working with the Jokers all night and Batman must have left a 5th cell for a reason. Batman's preparation of the 5th cell is because he's paranoid of the possibility that this could have happened to him and manifest at any moment. Like I said, I think the game could have done a better job explaining it so there's less legwork required to figure it out, but based solely on the information in these games, it's evident that the fear toxin is causing his hallucinations. Was it just a coincidence that he faced side effects only after being exposed to the fear toxin? Was it just a coincidence that Alfred brings up the possibility of bad side effects, only for Batman to say he's fine then be immediately contradicted by the Joker showing up on his screen? Was it just a coincidence that Batman stopped facing side effects when he's no longer afraid? Food for thought. If you're down for a Discord VC to discuss the game I'm down too.

[@jonathanathor117]

23:17 I mean it's still weird that bruce didn't find jason in that abandoned wing at arkham. Yes the aylum is huge but no huge that's it's just impossible to navigate. Although I guess that happened in batman beyond return of the joker. It's a little bit weird. A little unavoidable factor.

[@s.k.4289]

The problem is that Batman doesn’t know where to look until he gets a video from Joker. And by then, Jason and Joker would’ve been gone. And all Batman would have is the background. No specific location.

[@kingmob2716]

@@s.k.4289 The World's Greatest Detective couldn't track down Joker and Jason after months of searching despite them being in Gotham the whole time? Not only that but they were in Arkham Asylum, a place Batman should know like the back of his hand, and he has a backup Batcave on the island? Batman needed Joker to send him a video months after the kidnapping before he starts looking? I could understand if Joker was moving Jason around to different locations so Batman would have a hard time finding them but if Joker was just spending months in the same place, a place Batman should be extremely familiar with, it's absolutely laughable that Batman wouldn't be able to find them.

[@malikpierre-louis3343]

He is a detective when you are a detective you kinda need a lead to know where to find someone.

[@jaxxpool9630]

@@kingmob2716You say Batman should know Arkham Asylum like the back of his hand, but he had to ask Cash where Killer Croc’s cell is. So your claim is inaccurate.

[@somethingthatisntcringe757]

@@jaxxpool9630 He's fucking Batman, he should be able to figure that shit out. The supposed 200+iq detective genius with technology leagues beyond anything couldn't find him and then proceeded to give up and replace him after 6 fucking months?

[@HawkOfKrypton]

Heya, SK: I dont know if you'll see this, remember me or if this is even the same "SK" I remember chatting with, but Im actually very glad to see someone finally defend AK narratively (instead of getting lost into tank memes), especially from someone on the "But I want the character to be x and y because he did x and y in this other wholly unrelated universe" camp that REALLY plagued the 2010s andmade being DCEU/Snyder fan really difficult. It just feels cathartic, so thanks again :)

[@s.k.4289]

Hi, you’re definitely a familiar name from Twitter 👋 Appreciate it, glad you liked the video!

[@amir.music2005]

thank you for this. So tired of these haters. This game was amazing. And l'm still playing it. It's an absolute banger!

[@yeez13]

GodzillaMendoza really lost me after he apologized to Dan Slott in his video on Nick Spencer’s Amazing Spider-Man and going back to his old videos made me realize how much of a pushover/apologist for the “new gatekeepers” he is 🤷🏽‍♂️ His Arkham Knight review, while mostly good, is an example of being a parrot for all the people he likes/follows in his attempt to really get noticed.

[@raycom201]

What’s wrong with apologizing for mistakes you made in your video?

[@yeez13]

@@raycom201 1. GM was in the wrong when he did that bc he basically sided with guys like Dan Slott, WHO ACTIVELY TALKED TRASH/BLOCKED PEOPLE FOR ANY KIND OF CRITICISM (GOOD OR BAD)/ENABLED TOXICITY IN THE COMIC BOOK WRITER SPHERE BY COORDINATING WITH THEM ALL TO BLOCK OR REPORT USERS FOR WHO THEY DON’T LIKE BASED OFF “CERTAIN CRITERIA” 2. GM used his apology basically to dunk on “the Spider-Man fans” who “make the fandom look bad” and tries to justify it as “a moment in which I came to understand Maturity” (the same excuse guys like iDubbbz and especially HBomberguy use when they’re so afraid of their pasts creeping up on them [aka Troll’s Remorse]) 3. He cares more about getting in cool with these big shot comic book writers/artists who actively have shown him disdain and contempt for critiquing their work than for fellow readers/fans who wish to share their opinions. It’s not because he “wanted to make right a mistake” but that he wanted to seem like “the good kind of fan”…the kind who will just accept anything.

[@ironnoah9461]

Sure he may have been a bit too nice to Slott given the guy's known for looking anything that remotely has his name. but all he did was retract a quote he misattributed to Dan.

[@joycongod4831]

You took the absolute wrong message from his video. Do better

[@pizzamaster-su3bh]

This has to be one of the most poorly researched videos i have ever seen. it's like he played the game once and never touched it again. Major mendoza L. great video btw 👍

[@kwayneboy1524]

Judging by his voice he was likely in his teens by the time he played it and got mad because of how bad it was and let his emotions get the better of him. Kids these days are too ready to rush into things sometimes sadly.

[@micoddwarrior]

No, you're wrong. He's just a big fan of the Suicide Squad game. Just mad that nobody's playing that it. But instead playing Arkham Knight.

[@pullupenthusiast3800]

@@micoddwarriorhis video was made over 5 years ago.

[@joycongod4831]

@@micoddwarriorthis video was 5 years ago. Hurry up and delete this

[@joycongod4831]

@@kwayneboy1524it’s still not good😭

[@frogglen6350]

Whats funny is that he thinks people liking this game is revisionist history, even though Arkham Knight (not the pc version) was getting good feedback day one. Nowadays the pc version is fixed now.

[@honeycomb170]

28:24 Another problem with this point is that he is assuming that Batman couldn’t have been searched for at all prior to being brought into that room which is likely cause Batman would’ve taught Jason to be though about him searching criminals to make sure they didn’t have any weaponry or tools to escape before bringing them to the police or letting them take over the situation.

[@Ilovebuzzsaws]

1:34 plus the joker blood which mutates after being ingestated for too long and attacks the brain, turning the individual into the joker. meanwhile the fear toxin only made the symptons worse.

[@adrianalobo6780]

Thanks "fart master"

[@Ilovebuzzsaws]

@@adrianalobo6780 no problem, "adrian".

[@Ilovebuzzsaws]

i can explain in greater detail if anyone wishes however.

[@MataNui.]

One issue I have with Arkham Knight's story is you basically wait the whole game for Batman to catch up to you.

[@seichilmao]

great video actually made amazing points and this reminds me of when you made the spider-man ps4 criticisms and people pointed out the flaws it looks like a redemption arc hope you keep making great content

[@TheRiddleMan-ci7hi]

You made a well-thought-out response to Godzilla Mendoza, but I'd have to respectfully agree with his opinion on the game, fully.

[@DavidRYates-tk2tq]

Well that's ridiculous because he's wrong.

[@TheRiddleMan-ci7hi]

@@DavidRYates-tk2tq How is he wrong? Arkham Knight has its good aspects, but it isn't a perfect game, by any means, as far as the gameplay and storytelling go. His criticisms were valid and pointed out the issues with the gameplay and story, so what makes Godzilla Mendoza's opinion on the game wrong?

[@Rengokuo4o6]

​@@TheRiddleMan-ci7hi his critisims were trash and debunked in this video. The game has its issues but non of it was brought by mendoza. All his criticism were trash.

[@TheRiddleMan-ci7hi]

@@Rengokuo4o6 Just because this video may see Menzoda's criticisms differently, doesn't make his opinion any less valid. How are any of his criticisms "trash"? You don't see any flaws in the game's story

[@Ilovebuzzsaws]

​i believe what he means is that Mendoza did not present his issues with the game very well, showing poor research or/and poor wording that could be debunked with a simple full walkthrough of the game.​@@TheRiddleMan-ci7hi

[@bsgfan1]

To be fair, there’s a few takes both GM and SK made that I have to call out. Long post warning: 1. Both GM and SK are right and wrong about the Joker infection and how it’s the Titan that’s the key factor. But what both are missing is the _dosage_ each person is receiving. Joker and Titan test subjects died due to direct exposure to Titan, while Batman was dying due to being given a much larger dose of Joker’s tainted blood in AC. Bane survives because of his prior bond with Venom, which Titan is based on. Everyone else received only a minor dose, which gives them just enough Titan to alter their minds, but not enough to be lethal. GM is right to say Batman is technically still infected and should be experiencing physical symptoms, but SK is right to point out Joker’s blood acting as a filter for the others. Regardless, Batman should still be experiencing the mind-altering effects. To beat them by overcoming his fear is like beating cancer because you’re not afraid of it. 2. GM is wrong to disrespect Scarecrow like that and treat him as a second rate villain, but is correct to say Scarecrow is a one-note villain, since literally _all_ of his plans involve fear toxin. BUT, like SK says, that doesn’t make Scarecrow a bad or uninteresting villain. On the other hand, SK is wrong to say Batman is also one-note; one of the many things that make Batman interesting is his capacity for compassion; in all forms of media, including the Arkham series, there are instances of Batman solving problems without violence or having sympathy for villains, which add to his complexity. 3. To be fair, GM is right to say it should’ve been obvious where the fear toxin was being made. Yes, ACE chemicals has multiple locations, but only one is in the immediate vicinity AND is being actively defended by the militia. What a good detective _actually_ does is eliminate impossibilities, gathers evidence and known facts, then identify the most probable candidates based on said evidence. In this case, Scarecrow could only select chemical plants within his control, which rules out other locations outside of it, then surveillance would show an unusual amount of hardware and manpower present. Based on logic and evidence, only one plant is A) within Scarecrow’s control, B) has the necessary equipment, C) shows signs of active production (i.e. smoke and heat), and D) is being fortified and defended by the militia, who only answer to Scarecrow, Jason, and Deathstroke 4. _Scarecrow_ is trying to make Batman suffer. Jason is trying to unalive him. Yes, Scarecrow managed to convince Jason to lay off _once,_ but by halfway through the game Jason starts straight up defying him. In that respect, both GM and SK had legitimate points. Yes, Scarecrow has reasons to not use his best effort and equipment, but Jason does not, which is why it’s strange that he leaves so many openings for Batman to survive. 5. Both missed the point of the Jason flashbacks. SK is correct in that Batman did try to look for Jason and didn’t just replace him immediately. However, GM is right to say Batman _had_ assumed Jason was dead by that point. The true impact of the flashbacks is how Batman’s biggest regret was that he assumed Jason was dead, recruited Tim, _then_ saw the tape and realized Jason had been alive the entire time he had given up looking for him. The flashback at 19:34 backs this up; the picture Joker shows Jason proves Tim was recruited while Jason was still being tortured, which means Batman had already given up looking for him. This also means A Matter of Family had to take place after Batman saw the tape, not after Jason went missing. Logically, this means Jason’s “death” was recorded _after_ Tim replaced him. 6. It actually is strange how Jason survived being shot. The comics explain it, but the game never does. It does seem odd that Joker would fake Jason’s death and then cut him loose. Alternatively, it’s also odd that Jason took the shot but somehow even fooled the Joker into thinking he was dead. 7. Not everyone thinks Batman killed the Joker, but a lot of people do. If you listen to thugs and soldiers in AK and post-game AC, some will comment on Batman killing the Joker, since most people don’t know what happened. 8. The biggest problem with the Arkham Knight as a character wasn’t the game, it was Rocksteady. Prior to release, Rocksteady claimed Arkham Knight was an original character that had never been seen before. What upset people wasn’t how they handled Jason’s character, but that Rocksteady pulled a bait and switch. Even worse was that anyone remotely familiar with Red Hood immediately figured out who Arkham Knight was once the Jason flashbacks started. We were expecting a new character with an interesting premise, but ended up getting a story we were already familiar with.

[@SoyboyPeter]

1. Well batman is also cured from the poisonous aspect of titan, other than that titan is still an affliction that alters a person’s thinking patterns. So why wouldn’t Batman be able to overcome it, even with Fear Toxin amplifying Batman’s fear of turning into the Joker? 3. Militia don’t start showing up at the outside perimeter of Ace Chemicals until Batman is already there. Staggs Airships is also a company that specializes in Chemistry so Ace isn’t the only possibility. Batman literally does eliminate possibilities by asking Gordon to send a team to investigate Ace. Scarecrow can literally control any chemical factory he wants since all of Gotham has been evacuated. 4. Jason starts disobeying Scarecrow’s orders again towards the cloudburst boss fight. Which isn’t even at the halfway point of the game. After that point Jason doesn’t give Batman any openings. 5. Of course Joker would frame Batman as if he gave up on looking for Jason and recruited Tim. But how Joker frames something doesn’t mean it’s the truth. Also why would you believe the word of a supervillain who is known to deceive and manipulate people. to get what he wants? What actually happened is that Tim earned his recruitment in the bat family and Batman kept searching for Jason and additionally since Tim is on his side that means Batman has a extra set of eyes of assist in the finding of Jason. 7. Those thugs and soldiers are halfwits and are just saying that because they’re afraid of Batman. Also a few hundred thugs doesn’t represent the millions of people who live in Gotham. 8. The Arkham knight identity is completely new and Jason hates Batman for a different reason and is a leader of an army. It wasn’t meant to be a surprise reveal. At worst it’s a tiny little white lie. Which game developers do sometimes and yet it conveniently becomes a problem when Rocksteady does it.

[@therealstabbyman]

Awesome video, I understand why people don't like Knight's story and agree with said people to some degree, but as this video has shown, it's far more fleshed out than it's given credit for.

[@Okarun-VVV]

Hell yeah, the story for Arkham knight is awesome, I’m glad someone agrees.

[@squashmallow2006]

Small correction. It wasn't the fear toxin that triggered Batman's spiral into slowly becoming the Joker. This was explained in Arkham Knight. In one of the Joker hallucinations, Joker says that the reason why he was still transforming into Joker despite taking the cure, was that Batman in particular, was pumped with way SO MUCH of Joker's blood, that the final cure still only had a temporary effect. Joker even says specifically, 3 pints of it. Furthermore, my theory on how Batman overcame the disease is slightly different. The fear toxin was not just the trigger to the Joker disease. The fear toxin was inadvertently the actual cure. There's a bit during the final sequence where the Joker persona in Batman even says, "Oho, you and your fear toxin." Given that Batman's essentially spiraling into a split personality, where it's him and Joker, he just decided to let his Joker persona face the full blast of the fear toxin instead, ultimately defeating it. I'm one who loooooves GodzillaMendoza's video, but even back in the day when I watched it, I legit felt he dropped the ball hard, almost as if he was deliberately skipping clearly established explanations as to why something was or wasn't happening.

[@mgood356]

Oh wow your right that,s a good theory but i think jokers fear of being forgotten is batman because of his forgotting then everything he did was for nothing

[@tfordham13]

Batman knew jason was the knight but he didn’t want it to be true witch is why he keeps asking who the knight is Also nightwing isn't in bh

[@Shocktimus989]

Very well refuted in nearly every aspect. The only thing I'd disagree with is Batman's Joker affliction. Given the events of VR, where Bruce wasn't exposed to the toxin, he was still affected by the infected blood (I'd guess the amount of the cure he took wasn't enough) and knew he was running out of time, hence the 5th cell and determination to develop a new cure. The toxin just enhanced the mental effects, which was why Joker encouraged Batman to be dosed by the gas more. It really felt like GM's takes were rooted in CinemaSins type criticisms where it's easy to refute the claims, like why Scarecrow and the Knight didn't kill Batman right away. The game tells you the why and how, it's just up to each person to pay attention. Arkham Knight is my favorite game, and it always pleases me to see in-depth discussions about its story, at least ones that aren't absurdly negative. The game has flaws, but not to the level of the story being called horrendous.

[@augyrobo2k3]

15:48 it kinda seems like he believes the tank used to carry the cloudburst is actually the device itself

[@DavidRYates-tk2tq]

Well, there's part of the problem, he thinks Jason Todd actually has legitimate arguments against Batman! But, like, he doesn't? That's the entire point of how Under the Red Hood ends, Jason is just letting his trauma get the best of him, not thinking straight, and Batman is absolutely right.

[@kwayneboy1524]

I mean Jason's plan was to continue organized crime and drug production while profiting off of it all. He wasn't wrong with his logic but his actions are wrong

[@malikpierre-louis3343]

With this and him thinking the "one bad day" point of Joker (Which is that it's bullshit) is legit I am starting to think Mendoza doesn't understand certain things about those comic book stories.

[@JDMaverick6714]

29:20 Batman can see bullets in slow motion 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@danielendless]

But when he moves, bullets are back to normal speed Fear takedowns rely on the enemies panicking to miss, which is why he doesn't have it in the middle of combat

[@dannyibarra8219]

But it’s heavily implied in the scene where we play as Gordon that Batman already considers himself the 5th joker and Arkham VR shows that he already has Joker nightmares prior to knight so yeah it shows he has the disease

[@Blankettaper80007]

Batman Arkham Knight is a underrated gem.

[@MegaManDBZX]

I find your explanation of it just being the fear toxin making Batman about to turn in to BWL a bit dubious since he prepped the cell for himself before hand. Though I do have to thank you for explaining the mutation. The way they worded it in game made it seem it was the blood in the infected’s systems that mutated. Not that in mutated before they got it. That really did close up the last plot hole in the game for me.

[@Sir_Parker06]

Batman couldn't have only experienced side effects of the joker infection after he was exposed to the fear toxins because he had his cell ready before the events of the game even happen he even tells Jim the 5th is coming. Meaning he must've seen something to know he had it.

[@s.k.4289]

No, that just means he was paranoid of the possibility of it and the fear toxin played on those fears to convince him it was true. Notice how that gets resolved when he’s not afraid anymore.

[@kingmob2716]

@@s.k.4289 Why would Batman be paranoid of turning into the Joker if he wasn't experiencing symptoms before the fear toxin? To him the Joker-Titan blood would just be lethal and potentially kill him. Why the hell would he assume Joker blood could turn him into Joker if he wasn't already having symptoms before Knight?

[@RyanGP1203_MemeLord]

​@@s.k.4289 yeah no you're wrong the Arkham VR game which is cannon debunks your incorrect statement

[@nycandrewd]

@@RyanGP1203_MemeLordyeah but Arkham VR was just a nightmare.

[@ieatbabies5480]

​@@kingmob2716because he was one of the only other people to be exposed to the blood and he saw what they went through.

[@JaYdEnViDs-i4p]

S.K may not have the best opinions but he sure knows damn well to defend something

[@aaronwilliamson9123]

28:46 I think Godzillamendoza was being sarcastic here

[@devinmcdonald123]

Joker was overused. He didn't need to be in every game. The first and second was fine but when Knight happened I feel like he should've been in flashbacks but not being forced in 100% of the game.

[@kwayneboy1524]

The story between Batman and Joker is literally the main point of the games.

[@marcelosoares7148]

Joker is the biggest Batman villain, plus I'm sure it helps with sales. It probably was a no-brainer to put him in the game.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

@@marcelosoares7148 as per usual money before quality

[@Ilovebuzzsaws]

says about one of the best looking games out there.​@@MILDMONSTER1234

[@Ilovebuzzsaws]

you say about one of the best looking games out there​@@MILDMONSTER1234

[@Venom96930]

Once again, a great video, i'm looking forward to see more of your positive takes on movies and games.And Arkham Knight Scarecrow is probably the best portrayal of character next to TNBA.

[@comicbookking3446]

Do you think Under the Red Hood and Arkham Knight are both good storylines in their own ways ?

[@spider-manunknown9193]

In my personal Opinion Under The Red Hood is slightly better written.

[@s.k.4289]

Absolutely

[@Blankettaper80007]

​@@s.k.4289What is your favourite Arkham game out of the 4?

[@joycongod4831]

@@spider-manunknown9193slightly is being nice

[@normienormie9425]

i think people don’t realize the Arkham series is focused on Batman and Joker’s relationship, which is why origins adapted a lot from The Killing Joke, Batman’s words to Joker in City when he dies basically confirms this, Knight simply expands on this.

[@mojorn8837]

Just replaying this game for the first time since it came out, along with the first 2 Arkham games. I had some issues with it that I didn’t remember from my first time 100%ing it. Came to KZbin for a critique but they all made criticisms I don’t think reflect the game or misinterpreted huge sections of story. This critique of a critique is the most on point one I’ve seen so far. You grasp that the joker scenes aren’t breaking any established rules, but they do have to invent and iterate new rules for how the different batches of fear toxins and titan commingle. It’s also key to realize our gameplay often breaks from reality, but always after Batman is exposed to more fear toxin. He’s able to suppress the hallucinations, but often that’s expressed through gameplay struggles. One issue I had was the pacing of these moments really fought me, the player, as I tried to trigger the next reality breaking sequence. Multiple times like after watching Barbra get paralyzed or when Batman is locked up at the movie studio, I’d have to spin around 6 times to try and trigger the next stage of the trip. Really took me out of the moment and felt like clunky video game in contrast to the immersive controls as Batman hallucinating in the previous games. I also felt like it hurt its pacing by having the player have to do QuickTime events or button mash to help the toxin overwhelm Batman. Biggest example is when you break joker’s neck and give in. I don’t want to make Batman break his rule, so I just set the controller down and Joker rattled off of like 8 lines of dialogue before going silent. The pacing would be much stronger and I’d stay immersed if instead I was controlling Batman struggling to resist killing, but I couldn’t hold on and gave in.

[@darksoultrey167]

IMO the nightfall protocol does not really make any sense how would Bruce faking his death stop people from looking into Robin's identity especially if Robin is still around fighting crime

[@anonymous7140]

It’s to protect his allies to keep he’s villains from going after his allies to get to him that’s why he started fighting from the shadows

[@darksoultrey167]

@@anonymous7140 They could still do it to spite him plus they are still fighting crime so they would want to look into their identities

[@anonymous7140]

@@darksoultrey167 why would they want to know their identities most don’t care about their identity and most wouldn’t get the chance and plus batman is fighting from the shadows so Batman wouldn’t let it happen

[@darksoultrey167]

@@anonymous7140 Well if they are fighting crime they would want to stop them from ruining their plans, so they would look into their pasts, also Bruce couldn't stop every criminal in Gotham or the news from looking into their pasts

[@durpy8184]

But the titan affected people should've died batman was gonna die after a few hours but these regular people somehow survived it ?

[@BaneStopMotion]

Because Joker gave Batman a lot more of his infected blood because he’s his enemy

[@durpy8184]

​​@@BaneStopMotionI haven't seen that stated anywhere ? And joker even said there's a "tiny bit of me in you too". So that makes no sense

[@BaneStopMotion]

@@durpy8184 it’s just speculation because he’s more likely to give batman more blood and the blood donated will probably be spread out more

[@BaneStopMotion]

@@durpy8184 and saying there’s a tiny bit doesn’t mean anything it’s just because Batman will have more of his own blood than joker’s

[@Ilovebuzzsaws]

​​@@durpy8184joker says that in one of his many dialogues in arkham knight. (The part of Batman having more blood in him i mean)

[@krnatsu]

GM is either misunderstanding key plot points and information presented in the Arkham Knight, or he's deliberately misrepresenting what the facts of the situation are. I have my issues with Arkham Knight, but not only do I think its not as bad as GM is presenting it to be. I also think GM doesn't understand the point of this game's story. He can dislike it thats perfectly fine, however when he presents arguments that are so weak and can be debunked so easily with IN-GAME information, it begs the question whether he actually paid attention to the story or if he even knows the full story

[@jackmorris4326]

I LOVE godzillamendoza but he’s a hypocrite sometimes. He says he hates the marvels spiderman 2 story cus it’s the 3rd time the villain has a personal connection to peter, yet he loves the Raimi trilogy, where not just most, but ALL of the villains have a personal connection to Peter. EVERY. LAST. ONE

[@kingmob2716]

The Raimi trilogy was in theearly 2000s when this was a new and original idea, Marvel Spider man 2 came out in 2023 and they’re using 20 year old gimmick that has gotten stale. Theirs nothing hypocritical about liking the Raimi trilogy where the idea was fresh and new and not liking SM2 where the idea is old and played out.

[@jackmorris4326]

@@kingmob2716 I disagree, if you like something, you like it no matter the context. There’s nothing wrong with marvels spiderman 2, and if people from the 80s new we called this game mid, they’d think we are so unbelievably ungrateful

[@bradfork6853]

30:19 Since when is Scarecrow a "B-list Batman villain", GM? He's like, one of his top 10 biggest antagonists.

[@gigagod3384]

No way is Scarecrow a top 10 Batman villain anymore. He hasn’t had a relevant storyline in decades and kind of just does the same thing over and over.

[@RyanGP1203_MemeLord]

Yeah no

[@bradfork6853]

@@RyanGP1203_MemeLord Yeah yes

[@MrtheFckface]

1. Joker 2. Penguin 3. Riddler 4. Catwoman 5. Harley Quinn 6. Two-Face 7. Bane 8. Scarecrow 9. Poison Ivy 10. Ra's Al Ghul

[@Mohamad-m7md]

Yes please I wanted a response to that overdramatic video for years ! That video DOES NOT give the game justice at all it’s easily an 8/10 game Godzillamendoza is just a nitpicky nerd he didn’t have a single actual valid criticism

[@freefall945]

Not to split hairs, but joker isn’t a fear toxin hallucination. I mean, he might be briefly when Ace Chemicals goes up - ‘Miss me?’ - but after that he’s a symptom of Batman’s spiralling insanity. When he’s exposed to fear toxin later in the game, it wildly exacerbates this with more joker hallucination because Batman’s fear *is* succumbing to that insanity.

[@4dbagel945]

It all happens I one night, so I think it’s fair to say that the joker sticks around because of the fear toxin still being in his system. Drugs take a long time to leave the body even after the noticeable effects subside.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

I still think Arkham Knight is the weakest, maybe not the worst, but the weakest, in terms of story and gameplay. I would rather play Asylum City or Origins than Knight, but if I had to pick between Suicide Squad Killed Batman or Arkham Knight… I would choose Arkham Knight.

[@paniniboy]

Arkham knight is a visual and story masterpiece. Suicide Squad has made us realise how lucky we were.

[@Jjcbgoat]

Masterpiece? Lol have some standards

[@Gojira-dm4vb]

​@@Jjcbgoatyes,Arkham Knight it's a masterpiece

[@Jjcbgoat]

@@Gojira-dm4vb masterpieces have good writing. Arkham knight doesn’t

[@joycongod4831]

@@Gojira-dm4vba masterpiece has to be perfect Arkham knight has very clear flaws

[@gijoemasters]

To me that's always the problem with people who trash Arkham Knight, they always played it with either selective hearing, not using any critical thinking skills, or just not paying attention to literally anything going on at all. Was it the best Arkham game? That's subjective, but was it the worst game story ever told? Absolutely not.

[@enigma4019]

you can't change my mind the arkham knight scarecrow isn't only the best batman villain of all time but best villain of all time across everything

[@walterwhite4398]

Yep Arkham shadow definitely helps with his character