Batman V Superman Spoilers Review

The Collider Movie Talk Crew join ranks for an in depth, SPOILER heavy review of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. Watch as John Campea, Jon Schnepp, Mark Ellis and Dennis Tzeng share their thoughts on Zack Snyder's superhero epic!
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[@rockerangusyoung623]

It's been over a year and Schnepp's rant of this film is still GOLD.

[@riveryousef4414]

instablaster.

[@aaronroibeard]

RIP

[@gbates515]

Batman v Superman *Superman Is Dead (Front page of the newspaper) *Daily Planet Writer Clark Kent Dead (Second page) Justice League Part 1 *Superman Lives! (Front page) *Daily Planet Writer Clark Kent also comes back from the dead! (Second page)

[@raicruzph]

hahahaaha

[@CarebearMMA]

+Garrett The whole reporter thing wasn't really working out for clark anyways this way he can just be supes

[@TheWeepingDalek]

+THEremiXFACTOR maybe perry knows now.

[@TheWeepingDalek]

THEremiXFACTOR for this film yes. to soon. plus the whole fake death thing is never good. (he will be back) (the one thing they take from marvel is the worst thing about marvel)

[@laksjdf]

+Garrett yup. this plot was so insane I wonder if anyone was working together at all when they wrote this garbage

[@patelzinho]

God I miss Schnepp, I revisit this review all the time because its so entertaining watching him talk about comic book movies.

[@richardseven6126]

Only found out about Schnepp's passing, today. :( But he left a heck of a legacy :)

[@deathegg9474]

Him, Campa and Rob on the campa show would of been so freakin good especially how many movies that have came out since then 😢 😔

[@NobuhikuObayashi]

❤️

[@iamtheAwesomo3000]

This movie had like three endings. You kept thinking it was going to end, and then it went into another ending.

[@iamtheAwesomo3000]

***** Yes.

[@Astynax27432]

+Tyler Kelson Except it was a bullshit version... b/c there's a scene where they're at the funeral, then he's doing something else... that makes you think it's after the funeral... then they're BACK AT THE FUCKING FUNERAL again. Did they hire professionals, or just choose the best film school art project?

[@N7Normandy1]

Really? I didn't get that impression.

[@Ahturos]

+N7Normandy117: SSV NORMANDY Me neither. My memory might be strange but was it. Superman funeral, Batman with Lex, Kent´s funeral and end?

[@N7Normandy1]

Ahturo s Yeah there wasn't even a after credit scene.

[@Dlynchian]

Schnepp is 100% right.

[@frodo1723]

👍

[@thomas9451]

Yes, and he gives the most honest review and score...

[@solargeknowles4354]

+Phillip Jeffries Schnepp is always right. John Campea's "checklist" of things he needed to happen for this movie to be good comes off like a DC fanboy at best and a 12 year old boy at worst.

[@thomas9451]

John Morgan The movie clearly has very big issues. Its pacing, its transitioning from scene to scene, underdeveloped characters, horrible writing...and the list goes on and on. If you loved it that's ok, but objectively it's not a good movie. To me, it's pure GARBAGE actually. I am a huge DC fan and to see them treat Batman and especially Superman like this really made me angry. DC / WB clearly rushed here and crammed everything into one movie because they want to catch up with Marvel, while they should have done their own thing, with standalone movies for Batman and Superman before BvS and Justice League. I agree with Schnepp, Superman didn't have to die and Doomsday didn't have to be in this movie. This movie should have been between Batman and Superman (as the inappropriate title suggests) but what we get is only a few minutes of them fighting once. Think about it, DC lost an opportunity to explore the death of Superman in its own movie and then you have Doomsday. That's gone all out the window now and I'm really worried for Justice League...they need to fire Snyder and get someone like George Miller.

[@robertreitermanjr2973]

+Phillip Jeffries I disagree.....Schnepp has good points, but I feel he takes it a bit too far, Campea had good points that made sense and Schnepp tried to break those down. It just feels that it didn't deliver on what he was expected and he's angry. I loved the movie, I understand people's issues with the cuts and edits, but I feel there were so many strong scenes that they out weighed the problems with the editing and pacing. Henry, Ben, and Jesse, all were strong, the action was great, and it sets up the Justice League well....so there shouldn't be this much anger. Maybe they were expected it to be the greatest superhero movie of all time? I loved it, and I don't agree with Schnepp on it, but it's his opinion.

[@jayhartRIC]

I interpreted Lex knowing about Darkseid at the end as a result of him messing with the Kryptonian ship.

[@jackbauer5229]

same

[@TheMagicfan77]

Exactly

[@justinbond7456]

+jayhartRIC That's exactly what it is, did someone else interpret it differently? lol

[@jtcool1]

Yup

[@Jimmills45]

+jayhartRIC yeah brainiac told him on the ship it told him it had knowledge of 100000 worlds and he said teach me. after that he talks to superman on the roof after throwin lois off and says circle circle circle triangle whicih is brainiacs symbol and I'm sure it has knowledge of all life forms and either it or the mother box more importantly in the cyborg clip is the beacon that called darkseid I would say. But I'm cool with lex and brainiac doing it.

[@LaVerite124]

Man these dudes probably hated the font size of the ending credits.

[@everythingtoyota6763]

lol

[@step2424]

Yeah the font size was a bit weak. I like times new roman as well.

[@bamm86]

+LaVerite124 SERIOUSLY

[@ronpetersen2317]

+LaVerite124 Bring back the flying at the screen fonts from yesteryear!!!

[@step2424]

Nah, Calibre is better.

[@DanielSanchez-er9sr]

john schenpp went all out holy shit

[@manuelpuente7336]

he was right ... the movie sucks ass

[@Bowtie12oclock]

I will always remember Schnepp for his straight up take on the movie. Stay sweaty up there, man!

[@TheMan-so9do]

Schnepp seems like he was so hyped for BvS that it couldn't live up to his expectations. so he was underwhelmed and disappointed. Ellis didn't like man of steel so it makes sense that he would be underwhelmed by BvS. Campea liked man of steel so it makes sense why he would like BvS. don't really know what to say about Dennis. everyone seems to love Ben Affleck as Batman so that's a good thing.

[@NTEDOG561]

agreed

[@vkdeen7570]

What's most telling is that campea is a huge dc fan and absolutely adored mos yet he rated bvs much lower. he still liked it but marked it significantly lower. that tells u got something badly wrong with bvs

[@vkdeen7570]

+Vk Deen they

[@BaalBlade]

+Manny Gober excuse from fans for bad movie, how do you explain Christ Stuckman and Jeremy Jahn, and HUNDREDS other reviewers on youtube. I guess you must have a laundry list.

[@ragnargunderblat6773]

To me Schnepp is right on the money. This movie was not written well. So disjointed in so many ways. Batman was definitely the bright spot. I thought Man of Steel was great and was really looking forward to BvS but the tone, story, editing and pacing of the movie killed it for me. I normally like hearing Campea's opinion but sometimes I feel like his opinions are intentionally contrary.

[@mattobrien8154]

RIP Schnepp. I miss how passionate he was. This was one of his all time great rants.

[@derajnitram1882]

I don't hate it as much as Schnepp seems too, but every criticism he has I pretty much agree with, it is a very divisive film indeed.

[@AmericanPsychonaut48]

I agree

[@minkv3]

I thought the scene where Martha was said over and over was a parallelism to him as a kid when he wanted to protect his parents from a bad man and was powerless. When he has his boot on Superman and is about to kill him he hears Lois Lanes explanation and realizes that at that moment he was basically Joe Chill

[@EasyTravels]

Nice😊👌🏽

[@TristanThorp]

Holy shit you cracked the code for me I did love it but I didn't think it like that

[@minkv3]

+Tristan Thorp I don't know that's how I interpreted it. I think the movie had lots of great content and performances but the directing and editing made it hard to see that

[@anthonyw6895]

Ahhh, you made me love that seen even more now! :)

[@MicrophoneTitan]

+Lupe Walker I agree.

[@dtevol]

If they called this movie Dawn of Justice and scrapped the whole BvS thing, it would have made expectations a lot easier to set.

[@hamhockbeans]

Did Ang Lee direct this movie because like the Hulk the climax took too damn long.

[@bossbaby5936]

Wtf was that story arc with the Senator Lady about -_- completely pointless

[@jchess78]

It was the best scene in the whole film. Lex was a genius. Holly hunter acting was perfect. She was terrified. It showed lex killed her for simply blocking what he wanted to do. Hex was menacing without even being there in the room.

[@quantum08]

+dtevol yep They just used the fans and now they have a 30% on rotten tomatoes and not loved by many

[@hadurrehman1597]

+dtevol that is what confused most of critics . they thought they were selling batman v superman fight only.

[@CarlosFontes]

I had tears in my eyes when Clark pleased to Bruce to save Martha. It humanized Clark in a way that Bruce was invaluable of seeing. He was older and tired and had lost Robin. He lost his humanity. You take a man who is so haunted and cracked by the loss of mother and father that when he heard that name years later, it stirs him out of his rage. Batman promises Superman that Martha won't die tonight. He has a chance to make sure Clark never goes through what he went through, all those years ago. It was so powerful to me. I love how Bruce ruminates on his legacy and how he wants his legacy to be having saved the world from an alien menace by killing Superman. Now, his legacy will be saving the world from an alien menace by assembling the Meta-Humans and creating the Justice League.

[@CarlosFontes]

Pleased = Pleaded, Invaluable = Incapable

[@jeskuo]

+Carlos Fontes Jr The bit in your comment where you said Batman was tired and lost Robin, I wished that was explored more in the movie. Not completely conveying Batman's history made his motivations seem a bit irrational.

[@CarlosFontes]

I'm glad the movie kept it vague. The movie felt a bit stuffed as is. Also, Batman is in 'Suicide Squad' so I'm sure we'll learn more about the Bat and his history with the Joker there.

[@ossProduction]

The guy on our left with the Einstein hair was spot on 👌🏼

[@tkghhhhh]

😂 Einstein hair. Jon Schnepp he's epic

[@davisa.j4518]

Except Lex luthor's motivations were throughly explored in the movie.

[@fangal12]

It was lightly touched on but it wasn't explored and worse than that it was nonsensical.

[@davisa.j4518]

could you elaborate?

[@davisa.j4518]

That's just a four syllable word for..... you get the idea.

[@fmgaming6]

did no-one hear the ship tell Lex Luther.. that it had knowledge of over 100,000 planets.. 😕 then Lex said teach me it all. 😑😑😑 this is how he finds out about Darksied

[@derricks2594]

True.

[@prizefighter7607]

+Dennis Fisher This is going to beMan of Steel all over again. People have complaints and issues, but most of them are going to be answered from scenes in the movie itself.

[@hagarthehonorable8133]

+Dennis Fisher Motivations for one movie's plot should not be revealed in another movie. Thats bad writing.

[@dmat606]

+Hagar TheHonorable that doesn't make sense.

[@LuckyLefty92]

+Hagar TheHonorable what are you talking about?

[@LuckyLefty92]

The reason Batman killed those guys was to save Superman's mother. He had neither the time or patience to be gentle with them.

[@jackbauer5229]

agreed

[@o0CASHBOY0o]

+jarelle sugick Lol he still didn't have to kill them. He could've simply KO'd them

[@AwakeningWebSeries]

+o0CASHBOY0o Batman has killed before, hundreds of time, actually. Look up the original batman.

[@joshdepeel9547]

I mean he may have not killed all of them... lol some of them may be paralyzed for life but they may have survived :D

[@LuckyLefty92]

+o0CASHBOY0o again, he's in a plane, they're on the ground shooting at him. He had 34 minutes to save Martha from the time he left Lois, and Clark in Gotham. I'm assuming she was being held in metropolis somewhere so there's no telling how much time he lost. He wisely mowed them mfs down.

[@chazwalters389]

dude with the glasses and white fro went OFF lol. hes absolutely right about everything

[@TheTaskmaster]

Schnepp is right. everyone is here.

[@jeremieberger]

I can't keep hearing about Superman's motivation for fighting Batman. He DOESN'T want to fight him, nor kill him for that matter. He tries to reason with him but Batman won't have any of it. Superman then receives a proper beating, his motivation was never going to be "I have to kill th evigilante"

[@starfishsicko]

right?

[@bushidosound]

+Berger Jérémie Totally agree. And the way I understood how quickly Batman stops wanting to shove a spear in his chest is because for the first time, he realizes that Supes is not just some dangerous alien threat. He's a son, he has a woman that loves him. And he just realized he was standing right where his parents' killer once stood.

[@MaximKupar]

+Berger Jérémie Superman doesn't really try to reason, the second he came to Batman he could have yelled it all out for him and the fight would be over.

[@LucasVieira325]

you are right, but i take he is also in conflict, because Lex wants him to show tha he is not perfect, that he is no God, at first he doesn't wants to kill Batman, but he does think that Batman is not all that good, he has reasons to take him down. so why not do that and save his mon? during the fight Clark show some anger to batman, i think flerted with that idea of actualing the bat.

[@OOTD_]

Thank you!!!! Batman would have been dead if Superman wanted to fight him. That is what annoys me is that people are nitpicking the movie because they didn't even try to understand it. Schnepp just told you he didn't care throughout the movie that's why so many things went over his head.

[@6061jordan]

Good old days of collider. RIP Schnepp

[@Themrjoliveira]

Zac Snyder should be hired just to direct the actions scenes !

[@everythingtoyota6763]

agreeeeed

[@fobudomh]

agreed

[@Vindicator73]

+J Oliveira Barely any good at that anymore, but Justice League is doomed, because he will still direct it too.

[@TheTaskmaster]

starting to be unsure of that even.

[@BenignViewer]

+J Oliveira He'd make a good cinematographer, stunt coordinator, 2nd/3rd unit director.

[@xxForgottenx]

The opening credits of the film was the best part of the film to me. No words were used with the exception of 'Martha' at the end. Just using visuals and music to evoke emotion and to illustrate batman's origin, was perfect!

[@baggiebat]

Amen.

[@RobFike]

+Erik T I think there was also a voice over from Bruce in the opening.

[@baggiebat]

Rob Fike There was a tiny bit yeah. The beginning was so perfect though. Loved it.

[@RobFike]

yeah I agree with you on that. The voice over from Bruce isn't bad either, just pointing it out that it was part of the opening.

[@a210stoner]

Jon Schnepp is 100% right.

[@Irkaylub]

+Master Noire I feel like Schnepp understands this stuff better than anyone on that panel and he really hits the nail on the head.

[@a210stoner]

Yup and I'm glad he's not pulling any punches either. Good for you, Schnepp.

[@blackSUAAAVE]

+cookiewilliams1990 - Yeah. Gotta grade it on a curve for it be 'OK', too. Three years...for this. Eh.

[@Scottoest]

Schnepp representing the reality-based community like a boss Murderman v Captain Hypocrite: Rush to the Justice League

[@josearrocha3377]

Scottoest lmfaoooooo

[@swampytv9611]

The editing and story line was just mosh posh, and lex luther was just a wannabe Joker...

[@Youdoyouyeah]

I'm usually in Schnepp's camp most of the time, but here I see a guy who genuinely loved Batman and Superman comics growing up. Thought the movie was going to be a certain way. Then it wasn't. From then on, he just couldn't see the movie in front of him because he was so disappointed. Schnepp! I was just like you. I was so distraught after that first watch. Watch it again and realise that it's not nearly as bad. Lots of Love, Fellow Sweaty

[@darkridearts]

I'm with John, I loved it even though it was messy.

[@GumpsVideos]

Agreed

[@jamiepennix30]

+Carsten Bradley Same

[@desriveauxful]

agree!!

[@rammiine]

+Carsten Bradley Agreed. There were many problems with the movie and some things that we didn't need, but none of it took me away from enjoying it, having a fun time and watching Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman kick some ass. I don't understand why we can't recognize a movie has issues while also enjoying it.

[@jordizzle253]

+Sword of the Morning It was awesome!!!

[@jauhever]

i'm with Schnepp

[@VariTimo]

They couldn't end the movie without showing Sups been alive because they need to show him in the marketing for Justice League part 1, or at least part 1.

[@feedmylenses7239]

this

[@superjervis]

+VariTimo Why show him dying in the first place then?

[@superjervis]

Jiggley Krowzer He died like 3 times in the film

[@reubenjonson5267]

+The Opinionator this is following the story arc of Superman comics, as well as element of The Dark Knight graphic novel which started the whole new gritty superhero genre.

[@dragonrings14]

+VariTimo Anyone find the inconsistency between Superman and Zod's deaths annoying? Like Zod has his neck snapped and he dies. Superman has his entire chest basically ripped out by Doomsday and yet he somehow revives. I feel this is yet another reason they should have just had Zod sent to the Phantom Zone.

[@omarcorrea]

Tell em Schnepp. Totally agree. It's a fun movie with problems. I actually forget that Superman dies at the end. And I've seen it twice already. No weight

[@jerryfox143]

+Omar Correa this death means not a god damn thing. Everything in the theater knew he'll be back

[@cerulean1808]

+Omar Correa LMAO. you seen the movie twice and you forgot that Sups dies in the end? seriously? HAHAHA

[@jerryfox143]

suniis it's forgettable honestly

[@omarcorrea]

+suniis Yeah cause there's no weight to the scene, it's empty. It seems like it's only in the movie to pay fan service to the Death of Superman comic and for extra motivation to form the justice league. We all know he''ll be back in the next movie.

[@ramsochoa]

Love schnepp. But it seems this film really hurt him emotionally. I disagree that it's as horrible as he says. He's hating on this film more than amazing spider man 2. And this film is superior than a lot of comic book films.

[@REALwhy]

no

[@ramsochoa]

+REALwhy good thing it's all subjective.

[@UnknownDevil777]

yup

[@JuanyeTuda]

+Ramses Ochoa Name them. Name the comic book movies that received a lower Rottentomatos score than BvS?

[@CarebearMMA]

+JuanyeTuda google the RT score for sharnado and that tells you all you need to know about RT

[@USALibertarian]

Recall what Max Landis said, don't confuse fan rationalization for narrative justification.

[@b4chch4n]

When Gal came on as Wonder Woman & the guitar kicks in boy I had goosebumps, fantastic.

[@seananimatedent]

Campea V. Schnepp: Dawn of Opinions

[@technoir1119]

Schnepp rant. Love it.

[@richardlogan850]

he nailed it.

[@Conormawhinney]

Completly agree with Schnep here, by the time the action came i was to bored to care. It was so disjointed and all ove the place. I found it frustrating to watch. And I loved man of steel

[@ALANMARTIN2000]

guy in glasses on the left has this film spot on.

[@DogFiles]

I'm shocked how wrong they all are, except Campea. I just saw it and half their complaints were explained in the film.

[@shill1444]

This!

[@raphaelguzman5263]

Film is good! BETTER THAN IRON MAN 3

[@captaintorch1238]

I just got back from the film, and lex's motivation wasn't properly explained correctly. and superman and batman never talked about their philosophies, superman never mentions the whole thing with batman terrorizing people and causing them to live in fear. and batman never even tells him that he's mad at him for the destruction of metropolis. they don't talk at all and that's what's disapoo

[@captaintorch1238]

*disappointed

[@DogFiles]

+Ash Boomstick I'm not gonna argue that the film dragged a bit in the first half, but like The Dark Knight they were trying to make a great film, not just a great superhero film. Last night, I watched an hour of Force Awakens and turned it off because the film was all fluff, no real meat to dig into and contemplate. I feel like BvS will get its due years from now with repeat viewings.

[@gerbox05]

if i'm not mistaken, keaton's batman kill criminal too...

[@brendan5524]

They all have technically killed people but it was up for interpretation. This Batman straight up shoots people.

[@FloFlo060]

he did, but nobody talks about that for some reason

[@ChildishGambeaner]

+Nooby Brendan when did batman shoot anyone besides the Knightmare?

[@EverNumb]

+gerbox05 I actually thought Batman was one of the best parts of the movie.... but it's a storytelling mess that has some great visual moments.

[@derricks2594]

Oh he was a murdering mofo.

[@ssnakezz]

Thanks for letting Schnepp go off on his rant, a lot of that needed saying

[@doubleoscar773]

Love the panel, but Dennis and Campea are the only ones that made legitimate arguments.

[@baggiebat]

Martha thing makes sense. He realised that Superman was actually a man. It was a sweet moment imo.

[@RudeandNotGinger1]

agree.

[@samidnasir]

+baggiebat yup that worked for me as well

[@New52NOW]

+baggiebat yes, i thought that was a genius way to stop the fight. especially with lois coming in right after.

[@romeyroe]

I agree....that humanized Supes to him

[@ryankeefe1236]

I think in that moment he realized what he was becoming

[@CuriousCorduroy]

For the first time I'm actually agreeing with Campea and not Schnepp. Also, pretty sure they established superman's motive for fighting Batman.

[@storybored3]

God this talk is fucking informative and real. From every spoiler review , this is by far the best I've ever listen to. rooting on you guys, keep it up! wished it's a little bit longer.

[@VictorTerzis-aka-nvictus]

love Schnepp's review/logical explanation about the movie.

[@SwaggyPie]

Campea is such a smart guy with great and deeply thought opinions. Respect!

[@ToggleLeanPodcast]

John Campea CRUSHING the rebuddles. haha. Loved the film!

[@basquat76]

Yeah i'd give it a 6 and a half too. Out of a 1000 that is.

[@tkghhhhh]

basquat76 Lmao😂😂😂😂😂

[@blyzer7373]

Sick burn, bro

[@TheGreatResist]

Schnepp summed it all up in one word: Sloppy. Sure, the action and visuals are great but Snyder have never disappointed on that regard. A turd is still a turd in fancy gift wrapping. A horribly written and paced movie turd. I already had low expectations from all the bad reviews before watching the thing. Unfortnatelly it turned out even worse than I imagined.

[@thejenmath]

Wonder Woman looking through the email files should've been a mid-credits scene.

[@scoobtronixdoo3718]

tell Snepp that Lex got access to the Kryptonian archives and that's how he knew about dark side

[@alvinrueda4533]

i agree with john schnep

[@ZaccCee]

its hilarious how Schnepp or whatever started off like "meh" to outright hating it.

[@cnh98]

+ZaccCee Epic rant. five minutes, great to listen to this series

[@HoustonSoto]

The crew: they didn't explain this. Campea: yes they did, there was this, this and this line. The crew: well I don't buy it. Maybe pay attention to what's happening in the movie? John seems to listen.

[@thoomolong]

They were fucking bored with this movie. That says a lot, to be uninterested in a movie with Batman and Superman.

[@billbrasky07]

They totally abandoned their feud because both their mother's names are Martha? I'm still confused.....

[@darksaiyanknight4175]

batman at that moment realized that superman was human and had a life that's why he stopped because he realized superman is somewhat human.

[@whitemike1221able]

Schnepps passing, I need to watch this again lol. Remember and love this so much. RIP our sweaty king

[@alexandremorissette4285]

Lex knows about Darkseid from the ship!! The ship tells him they have archives of over 100,000 systems and Lex tells the ship to tell him "everything" ! God damn guys, watch the damn movie.

[@dragonrings14]

+Alexandre Morissette It would take a person years to learn all the Kryptonian Knowledge if a human could actually learn it at all. Human brains aren't as intelligent and Kryptonian brains.

[@billytessio6326]

Schnepp we do know how Lex knows about Darkseid and it's when he was in Zod's ship and overrode the system and asked to be taught about all the data the ship collected throughout the galaxy...

[@thehowlingfantodz]

+Bobby Manhas Which as an aside, is a lot of data. It was like 100,000 worlds ? Did the information matrix itself into his brain?

[@billytessio6326]

Possibly. Lex Luthor is also, you know, a super genius lol

[@thehowlingfantodz]

Bobby Manhas knowledge of a 100,000 worlds though? Do you remember how long he was in there for? IF it was months then maybe I buy it, if it was a week then cyaamon

[@jaykparikh37]

Superman resurrection, getting a little more obvious with the Jesus parallels are we?

[@jaykparikh37]

***** lol

[@AngryGoats555]

To quote spoilers ahead: "You are literally the sequel to Jesus"

[@Jimmills45]

+Jay Parikh It is easter weekend

[@JasonBourne-xr7qq]

"I AM JESUS! I AM JESUS! I AM JESUS!"

[@84C4]

+Jay Parikh Hey, at least he wasnt killed by the spear too lol

[@audrechan9313]

everything I think about this movie Schepp got it right.

[@Coxon9]

I couldn't fully articulate how i felt about this film until i heard Schnepp's opinion. He nailed it.

[@smithereens1693]

I don't know what you all talking bout. this movie is epic!!!!

[@ChaseAJYT]

Facts!

[@ventsislavstefanov9590]

This movie deserves less than 30% that got on RT. What was WW's purpose in this movie?? It would've been absolutely the same without her. Why did Lex had to kidnap Martha? Batman and Superman would've fought anyway. He didn't know that ,but it made no sense to me. The fight between Batman and Superman had no weight like at all. They didn't fight because of any ideological differences , but cause they think the other one is a douchebag.If they had like one minute conversation the fight would've been unnecessary.Which brings me to my other point. Captain America and Iron Man had more screen time and dialogue in a movie about the Avengers than Batman and Superman had in a movie called Batman v Superman. And the Avengers had Thor,Hulk,Black Widow,Hawkeye ,Loki and Nick Fury. What did BvS had? Lois Lane , 12-13 lines from WW and 30 seconds clips from Cyborg, the Flash and Aquaman... worst cameos in history.Doomsday was absolutely wasted.This movie also shits on Superman big time. Why does he threatens Batman straight away? What did he do to him? He gives him crap about him being too brutal ,but the first thing Superman does in this movie is flat out kill a guy.. WTF?The only purpose of this scene is to make Batman angrier.His death had no impact whatsoever.There is no conflict between Batman and Superman it's just misundestanding , that's why from Batman being ready to kill him went to Batman being his best friend in about 10 seconds.. Overall disappointment. This movie shoul've been much more. And im no Marvel fan , Superman and Batman are my 1 and 2 and that is not what they deserved. Batman is badass there's no doubt about that, but he is a murderer as well. He kills people without any explanation.That's my opinion.If you like this movie, than Im glad for you, cause I didn't and by the looks of it many others share my opinion. 5/10

[@stefanli6700]

+Venci s WW is there to set up for her solo movie:)

[@ventsislavstefanov9590]

The picture from 1918 would've done the job.My point is that she doesn't help the film. With or without her the movie is the same shit.

[@blackSUAAAVE]

+Venci s - She does save Batman's ass from Doomsday. He definitely had an 'oh, shit' moment before she came out of nowhere.

[@ventsislavstefanov9590]

Superman could've done that. I mean fuck If they got rid of Doomsday and WW and the whole JL setup and focuse on Superman/Batman relationship this movie could've been so much more. They barely speak to eachother.You have your Superman story and your Batman story but it's like 2 different movies.They just happen to get together at the end..

[@stefanli6700]

Venci s I understand, what they need is MOS2 and a solo batman before this one,if they did, it wouldn't be this kinda mess

[@EddieRaccioppi]

THIS is a great, great episode... Such a great point of view discussion of negatives vs positives. WELL done by all.

[@tkghhhhh]

Well said

[@JPooserAnimations]

Also, this video is amazing. All your points are clear and concise. Good review

[@The_Fat_Fury]

9.5/10 for me. I absolutely loved this film! When I left the theatre, the only thing I was baffled about was how it got such a negative reaction. It even surpassed Watchmen to become my all time favorite comic book movie. Such a great film and I can't wait to see the extended cut when it comes out.

[@gemelwalters2942]

Clearly John was the only one paying attention during the movie lol

[@SpiderManlLover]

Which one? lol

[@Temiken]

Great review guys. Totally appreciate all of your takes

[@carelesswhispersasmr]

"How does Lex know about all this stuff?" Did nobody pay attention when he went into the Kryptonian Genesis Chamber and the computer said something to the effect of "We have all kinds of knowledge about the entire universe...wanna read it?" and lex was like "Totes" Jesus H Fuck y'all need to chill out and actually pay attention to the movie

[@hagarthehonorable8133]

4:10 sums up this movie well. Thank you Schnepp.

[@Sabundy]

+Hagar TheHonorable Schnepp nailed it

[@advancedgamer1831]

Dude when schnepp does not give a movie a 10/10 he really brings the mood of the converstaion down

[@SirJamieokeith]

Totally agree

[@vinylhead00]

you earn mi interest on your opinion about the DCU since your Man of Steel talk. I loved it, and I loved this talk. your channel is awesome guys!

[@bobbygreig15]

Totally respect all of you but Schepp is totrally correct. This movie was DC' Comics best chance to catch up with Marvel but they fell way short. As a big Marvel fan I was hoping for better.

[@AmericanPsychonaut48]

*DComics

[@AmericanPsychonaut48]

Dual-Citizenship Comics

[@NTEDOG561]

Hopefully your not an mcu fan and real marvel comic s fan

[@willgriffiths2069]

Bobby Greig u do realise that DC don't make the films WB do. Do u know anything

[@TheSirUno]

Film Press on Batman v Superman: It’s NOT the shitty Justice League cartoon that I remember! It’s NOT a Christopher Nolan film! Superman doesn’t save any cats from trees! It’s NOT the Batman that I liked from that amazing Joel Schumacher film! Lex Luthor isn’t campy or want real estate! What? Real Wonder Womenz have “Curves”! ONLY Ledger is allowed to be cray-cray, yo! Still, while flawed (as most films are), it's still perfectly enjoyable. I'd give it a solid B+.

[@zachsrhine]

Said it perfectly man!

[@timiadeogun6159]

+TheSirUno This is extremely inaccurate lol

[@TheSirUno]

+Wally Adeogun It's called "Humor". Also...not really. ;)

[@Wiiware2568]

The Justice League cartoon was great. Foh

[@BarbaPamino]

fans of the mythos of these characters Batman still isn't a detective Superman never shows any sign of being the superhero who doesn't want to defeat foes but instead help them lex luthor is still bumbling fool rather than a prominent self made marvel worthy of respect

[@radiantprime8336]

It was too choppy but I agree with Campea. I thought the positives outweighed the negatives. I liked it.

[@TheJakescott1515]

+Hayden Henson I think the extra 30 mins in the ultimate cut might actually help the movie run a little smoother

[@ReggieMCH]

I've seen this Movie 2 weeks later. I give this Movie an 8 out of 10. I like it 👍

[@AmericanPsychonaut48]

S/10

[@d1want34]

+Reggie MCH agreed...

[@DarkKnight666]

Schnepp v Campea: Dawn of Review

[@tkghhhhh]

Lol

[@jpwrye41]

+Igor Ulbrich Yawn of Justice

[@GonzoTehGreat]

I am in the middle between them both. Schnepp voiced legitimate criticisms about the lack of motivations and the mishmash of disconnected scenes, locations and plotlines but he also didn't give the film enough credit for what it got right (which was a lot). Campea was more honest about the good parts but not critical enough considering the poor editing and disconnected storytelling. 7/10 which is a shame because with this cast and characters this should've been a 9/10.

[@jpwrye41]

TheShreester The movie could've been virtually the same but if they changed the motivation for Superman to stop a crazed "unstoppable vigilante" in Batman it could've been better. What they should've done was have Lex and his mercenaries take the batarang left at LexCorps after Bruce stole the Kryptonite and gone to Gotham to like a scene of a big mob drug deal and kill everyone in a gruesome fashion, brand all of the bodies and leave the batarang there for Superman to find. This would've been a better way to get him to try to stop Batman than the Martha angle.

[@tkghhhhh]

Kent Clarke Good angle

[@yohanalexander2850]

I actually walked in the theatre expecting Superman would be dead. The Death of Superman storyline was actually suggested by revealing Doomsday in the trailer and I found the release date is close to Easter, an event where another "alien" died for the sake of humanity.

[@xXjamesLOVESgamesXx]

Dude schnepp just goes straight up ranting when they told him what were his positive of the movie. Lol

[@marys9989]

Everything schnepp said was dead on

[@brendonkivell9887]

I'm with Schnepp on this one probably because hes coming from a writers and filmmakers point of view as am I. By the time all the cool fighting stuff comes around at the end I simply did not care because the writing was bad, there are too many conveniences story wise, explanations that were rushed over and it just came over as lazy. However that's why I can see the dividing opinions between fans and so called "critics". Most of the fans arguments are that it looks amazing, the fights are cool and can brush aside the more technical issues because they got what they wanted. While critics of the film agree too that it is a good looking film, character motivation, bad narrative throughout and bizarre editing choices make BVS seem sloppy to people who appreciate story telling as a big aspect of what makes a good film. Did like Campea's last thought though. Keep Snyder on for the visual side of Justice League but get a co-director to sort out the story and character elements.Shit save some time searching and let Afflect do that. Argo and The Town are great. Warner bros and DC haven't screwed up the cinematic universe. There's enough good stuff that they can still make it work. .

[@dygz]

It's bizarre editing choices if you're expecting a linear Heroes Journey or Save the Cat formula, yes. Again, it's more Picasso than Rembrandt. Lots of dream sequences and flashbacks. Yes. But, again, that is also helped by knowing all the references. Also, very reminiscent of the storytelling methods Grant Morrison was trying with Final Crisis.

[@junaiusstewart8274]

Schnepp with the justified nerd rage

[@masterblaster7953]

Everything made sense if you think about it afterward. 1. Bruce dreaming about his past events in the first 5 minutes as good. It was a nod to frank Miller, and brings us to the Falling Action. 2. The man that was pinned down under the beam was very critical to the movie. He hates Superman for causing the building to collapse on him. In which Bruce after saving him in Man of Steel and now finding out the man he saved died really got to Bruce. His anger finally exploded. 3. flash-forward to Lois lane was well put. We know 18 months past and she is trying to get a story from the local terrorist ring leader. Jimmy Olsen is killed of screen for nobody is going to want to see him getting shot in the end in a comic book movie. I have a feeling in the extended cut Rated R version we will see it. 4. Superman probably heard Lois was in trouble and decided to go there in the first place. Him taking out the man that held the woman he loved was a big mistake. True he could have just put him aside yet we believe he killed the man. It isn't confirmed he did. 5. the bullet Lois found was a plot point that could show evidence that Lex Corp has done shady things for what purpose though? 6. The whole desert scene was to show case how they were going to frame Superman. While the Senator wasn't convinced upon this per say, she does believe Superman's actions as a whole conflicts with the law. KGB Beast is later a TIE into the Batman plot line that has a rather good conclusion. 7. The Superman Lois scene was heart touching to see Superman is happy with Lois Lane which you can tell has grown. However Superman is sadden that the world is trying to find a reason to hate him since he is a "freak", a "monster", and alien menace that brought his own kind here to earth. 8. Batman branding the criminal was good. He spared him to say at least, and they made Batman MOVE and show case that he does inflict fear, and the police scene when the officer shots the guy was quite funny and quite scary. 9. As the movie starts we know that thanks to the Kryptonion ship they discovered a radiation rock that can cut threw kryptonion skin. This also Ties into the Emerald city myths in which a city was made out of emerald. Also a good Wizard of Oz reference. It is being transferred over by Lex Luthor Jr who is the one that ordered the KGB Beast squad to frame Superman but also start getting this attention to Batman. Nice tie in since KGB Beast was in charged to retrieve the shipping order and Batman discovered at the nick of time after the Wonder Woman scene incident. 10. Batman has a nightmare about his parents tomb bleeding for it is to show HE himself is bleeding on the inside. The loss of LIFE such as his parents, Jason or any Robin, seeing friends turn evil has gotten to him. Thus Man Bat makes a appearance to show Bruce's fears are starting to come back. The "fever, the rage, feeling of powerlessness, that turns good men cruel" is very forth telling after that scene. 11. We know Alfred has been working on Batman's armor already, and gear. It seems like within the 18 months that had past Batman was getting ready for the showdown with Superman if it came to that. Alfred also points out Bruce isn't acting himself as he once was, in which this batman is branding, and mowing down those in transportation. 12. We later go to Superman trying to talk to perry about how the Batman is acting outside the law, however Perry doesn't care for it isn't his problem. Thus this picks up interest in Superman wanting to at least attempt to talk batman out of this by any means. I can go on, and i will yet the point being is EVERY scene has a purpose and heck Lois Lane going back for the spear didn't make sense to me at first yet later on after the movie ended it DID. She is a reporter, she saw this thing was created from the clash alien ship. She takes a wild gamble that this weapon that Batman created could be the key to finish off this foe. However Not only that BUT if LEX gets his hands on this weapon it would be an end game for Superman. Thus this is speculation on my part at best but i mean if she can use her brains to point out by connecting the sightings, the myths of this Man of Steel, and find out who Superman was in Man of Steel. Then i have no doubt she could figure out the spear could possibly kill Doomsday. I am sure this will be further explained in the ultimate Rated R version yet in all honesty the first half WASN'T boring rather than fast scenes that BUILT upon what will later happen in the film. telling minor story's to build a further grand scheme was a great way. I can see why people/ and critics find it messy YET after looking back on the film it really wasn't.

[@thehowlingfantodz]

+Sora: King of Hearts. Most people are saying that batman's motivation makes sense. No one is claiming not to understand why lois went back for the spear. Now, explain lex's motivation.

[@masterblaster7953]

Gh05t The critics were asking why did Lois go back to the scene. I also pointed out Batman for there are some people and critics that didn't understand why batman was doing this. Lex's saw Superman as his enemy. He sees Batman as his enemy yet he plans on using two people he doesn't hold in high regards to take one another out as a plan A option. Superman is a figure that could be an enemy to the public, he is the "savior" yet Lucifer was an angel, he has seen that all that he has done, his father's legacy is all for nothing if an alien race could just destroy everything in a blink of an eye. After learning 100,000 different knowledge gather by the alien ship he is now full of knowledge and is very unstable. You can tell Darkside has gotten to him, and that he wants to prove he can defend humanity by killing off Superman by his own genius mind. For if he can't then Darkside is going to win. It is a matter of survival for Lex, and that is the motivation i can tell and Jessy's take on Lex in the interviews. He even says " he sees batman, and superman beneath him" Thus the line and " now god kneels before me" dam.

[@masterblaster7953]

Mahooza Thank you.

[@thehowlingfantodz]

Sora: King of Hearts. But how did the movie demonstrate lex's motivations. I get that he see's them as his enemy, but why? Because superman can destroy him? Well they should have played up his insecurity more, his fear more. I understood batman's fears, but lex's? Whatever weirdly constructed lines he said alluding to gods and devils he seemed like a bored kid with too much money and power playing pranks on people. He wasn't funny, he wasn't interesting, he wasn't threatening or menacing, he was just an annoyance. Overall I didn't like the character, or the performance. IT wasn't good enough. Did you think it was? I'm curious. And I'm not interested in getting into a flame war about it.

[@masterblaster7953]

+Gh05t 1. lex was abused by his father. God did nothing and it slowly ate at him. He realized that if god is all powerful then he isn't always all good, and if God is good then he isn't all powerful. Thus God plays no sides. He just acts upon his OWN interest. Thus if Superman wanted to he can take over the whole world. 2. His interaction upon the ship changed him towards half way after the court room scene. You see he is more unstable and very scared about something. We later find out at the end of the movie SOMETHING is coming and now that Earth's "God" is dead there is nothing able to stop it. 3. Lex points out to the Senator that the devils come out of the sky rather from the ground for it shows that something is out there and since Superman is one of those things form another world. Then only fuels Lex's rage and hate towards things that are above him. 4. lex points out that his father once use to live under a dictator/war lord. Over there they would have people WAVE flowers at the warlord. Does that mean the war lord is GOOD? NO they are just afraid of him and thus act "good" towards him when they are afraid. Thus the MAIN reason why people are holding Superman up high is because they do not WANT Superman to turn evil, to just decided to rule the world. However Lex wanted to take Superman's "good" image out of the equation and thus when Superman takes out the warlord either by killing him or not. Lex's troops pose as the warlords criminals to frame Superman THAT his actions caused many others to die. The court room scene was meant to not only break the bat into taking action, but to show Superman just how WEAK he is, just how despite ALL of his power he was unable to stop the bomb. "If god is good, then is isn't all powerful" that line rings right there at that moment. lex isn't so much afraid of Superman just rather wants him gone. He stands as everything Lex has grown to hate, he hates god, he hates those that have all the power YET are not good people all the time, and those who are good that have all that power WASTE it all. HIM learning about Darkside and the true nature of the so called "new gods" really shows how much Lex is torn by this and just breaks. Too much information left him crazy and he needs to to process all of this. Thus while this Lex isn't all business and bulky, he does retain the deviousness of lex, the coyness, the insane ideas lex comes up with, and is threatening if you don't take him seriously. That is why both Superman and the senator fail at that. The man who wrote the Ar of War clearly tells you to NEVER underestimate your foes. If you do you only set yourself up. How do you think Thor fails half the time when it comes to loki. You should know not to underestimate loki yet you know the moment you do you are screwed.

[@daveethan8201]

9.5/10 for me, I love almost everything in the movie specially the editing, yeah I know the editing is out of sorts but when you're talking about a movie that has a structure of a comic book I think this movie speaks for itself! I kinda love this kind of form of film making. Big ups to Snyder and crew!😉👍

[@everythingtoyota6763]

I agree bro I read comic books so I loved it. schnepp watches to many movies n doesn't read enough of comic books

[@broadwaylover5384]

"I loved how he dissolved back into his hair. Like a Pantene commercial!" XD

[@briansprague3427]

thank you campea for trying to show these "critics" why this movie is getting unnecessary criticism. this movie is not nearly as bad as people think and I'm getting sick of ppl downing it for no reason.

[@macme.1439]

I really freaking enjoyed this movie!!! 😁😁 Now I did go in to this with moderate expectations and I totally agree with you guys about the lacking character motivations (Besides Batman) and writing issues, but overall I left the theater excited and pumped! Did not see the Death of Superman coming but all in all I think it worked in the general tone of the film and the world motivation of this DCEU. Especially how it sets up Justice League Part 1. Hopefully Sydner can pull it off, not worried about his visual direction tho. All the visuals were intense and crips. I was never lost in all the action and debris. Now I was really worried about the DC cinematic universe because I didn't really like Man of Steel. But really loved all the set up in BvS. Seeing the Flash in that future Vision was intense and mystifying. And every single Gal Gadot scene as Wonder Woman was FANTASTIC!!! I even enjoyed Alexander Luther (He's not Lex Luther to me) and agree with Campea. His motivation wasn't fleshed out but it was there. I was lost for a second with the darkside "ping ping ping" but you guys cleared that up so thanks ^.^ in the End the DCEU has a very different tone than the MCU and I appreciate that. As a Comic book fan it felt as if some scenes hopped right out of the page and onto the big screen. Hopefully Zach Snyder does get a co-director for story flow cause the Resurrection of Suerman story could get wonky. But I'm pumped for what the DCEU has to offer!! I rate BvS 7.0/10 👌🏾👌🏾

[@JPooserAnimations]

I'm glad you enjoy it! Thanks for the shoutout!

[@roguetwo5903]

Ok so Lex is afraid of the scary alien Superman. Then he concouts a plan to have Batman fight Superman, and also creates another Super brainless city destroying alien out of a jar of piss?! Think about that, does that make any sense at all?!!

[@strykeboo]

We're gonna complain about a massive fight in an unpopulated area when all people did was complain about the fight in Metropolis from Man of Steel?.......? Huh?

[@Matt_Mosley1983]

5:25 Lex wants Superman dead because he's jeakous of Superman's power. Lex thought power was being able to do what you want and pay your way out of trouble. But he sees Superman doesn't need any of that because of what he can do and now no amount of cash can buy him out of trouble because Supes isn't corruptable by cash.

[@bobfrapples3881]

look at jon campea's face after schnepps rant, priceless 8:30. I just love schnepp's perspective and thought process behind things.

[@turkish2515]

I loved the end of bvs fight were superman tells Bruce kill me if you have to but save Martha it just connected with me on such a emotional level

[@chris-dd6uq]

Batman V Superman fights > Any fight from Nolan trilogy.

[@lucaskambeitz3380]

The batman vs Bane fight in the dark knight rises was way more engaging and meaningful.

[@christopherluke9658]

I frequently disagree with Schnepp but at least he has the courage to have an opinion.

[@MrKingtut31]

+Christopher Luke true Me and Schnepp are usual in agreement always.

[@malcolmz3o1]

man, I'm with campea on his take...the other guys just sound like they're hatin...campea brings up so many great points and interpretations and the rest of 'em are like 'whatever'!

[@jasonck9635]

+malcolmz3o1 agreed , the others cant think and need everything to be explained a thousand times , thata why john is the man and wished he still was the main one on this show instead of dennis zen

[@jludwig5374]

The scene where Superman says Martha and then there are a brief sequence of flashbacks to Bruce's mom also showed that Bruce realizes he and Supes are more similar than he thought. Bruce realizes that Superman's mom still has a chance to live while his mom didn't. In a way Bruce took this as an opportunity to save his own mom symbolically. That's why he told superman "I promise Martha isn't dying today" and then goes ham on the bad guys.

[@jludwig5374]

Batman's entire motivation for what he does is because of his parents. Superman showing Batman that he had a similar motivation (to save his mom and honor his father) is something that related to Bruce in the most intimate possible level. And when Batman puts it all together in his mind he realizes Superman is like his brother. That is why I thought that scene was so compelling and believable even though it was a quick switch. Also I was very emotionally invested there because I put myself in Batman's shoes and thought if that were my mother and if I had the capability I would brutally beat a room full of bad guys to save her.

[@danlundell1594]

FYI - At 23:48 Schnepp corrects Campea on his description of "Clark Kent's" funeral incorrectly. Campea did say "Kent's" funeral, not Batman's funeral.