Battle between Götheborg and Shtandart

[@peterdetterberg1569]

Shtandart : " puff " Göhteborg : " BOOM "

[@Lenzp]

BUT Shtandart has real guns with an ignition hole, while the guns of Götheborg are only electrically ignited

[@JumpingFlapjack]

No BBBBBOOOOOOM! XD

[@AndersJackson]

@@Lenzp Götheborg won! And it was only a trade ship. :-)

[@fredrikjelkefors9336]

@@Lenzp Göteborg have a real canons

[@domanickmartin4830]

@@Lenzp they are still real, just fired differently

[@CYON4D]

Seagulls are having a fight too I guess.

[@Jiskpirate]

I've been at both of the ships. The Shtandart was sailing to my city at the Netherlands and was docked for 2 weeks in Dordrecht. After that it sailed away :3 The Göteborg was at the sail 2010 in Amsterdam, a great experience to be walking there, and here they are, battling each other. What a beautiful sight.

[@clemandajteam8488]

Jisk van der Veen

[@ronadpaugh44]

wouldn't be beautiful if it was real cannon balls or chain

[@carolusrex8488]

that was for the movie the Ruyter i think

[@Jiskpirate]

@@carolusrex8488 Nope, it was before The Ruyter was shot. The shtandart sails around Europe and docks in the Netherlands often

[@carolusrex8488]

@@Jiskpirate she really looks like the ship Tromp sails later in the movie.

[@fatfuckhatesyou]

Can't even imagine a real sea battle with old warships. The power in those things and the smoke combined with all the panic and noice would be fucking horrible. Getting bombarded by a Manowar ship with 56 cannons in each broadside while in a wooden ship is pretty much the worst thing I can think of.

[@ricomon35]

***** Training in this case lasts about as long as it takes for a round or two to hit your little section of the gun deck. When you have heavy wood splinters the size of lances flying at you, through you and around you. Bloody screaming and getting the hell away from that is all that's on your mind. Not too mention careening 5, 6, 10, 17 and greater shot in your face. No gunner would sit still and let himself be shredded like paper if he had the chance to flee.

[@ricomon35]

***** I think I will not argue with you. You write like a drunken pirate. Cheers.

[@AndersJackson]

@@ricomon35 they had no chance to flee...

[@khateatingcactus]

indeed, and they are using only powder charges in the video, with fully loaded cannons the power is twice as much than it seems here

[@leolundqvist206]

if it has 56 on each side its not a man-o-war its a ship of the line

[@blutosadlowski]

That is awesome. Living on the beach I often wonder how the sea would've looked with all the tallships.

[@darctanz]

Götheborg just left my harbour and i live 3 km away and it shock my windows and scared my dog ^^

[@asdasdasdasd8970]

Someone should inform the crew that the war has been over for a VERY long time....

[@antonbrakhage490]

What really struck me watching this is how far the bursts of smoke extend, and how quickly. Its not a little puff- its like a jet of smoke reaching out toward the other ship, and you can just imagine the course and speed of the cannonballs.

[@GefreitervonAdler]

Not a very fair fight if it had been for real. Shandart was built 1703 and carried 20 6pdr guns and 8 3pdr guns, for a broadside weight of 72 pounds. She displaced 220 tons and had a crew of 120. Götheborg was built 1739 and carried 30 6pdr guns, for a broadside weight of 90 pounds. She displaced 1 200 tons and had a crew of 144. Untless Shtandart, with her more well-armed crew could board and win, the Götheborg can take much more punishment and deal out more too, due to her larger size and more numerous guns.

[@antonbrakhage490]

You may be discounting manueverabillity here. Shtandart looks a lot lighter, probably more nimble. If it could get behind or in front of Gotheborg and then blast away... Also I'm not sure how Swedish crews compared to Russian ones in terms of skill/training in that era, but I'd expect all other things being equal for a naval crew to be better in a fight than the crew of a merchantman. But yeah, in a straight broadside gunnery duel, the greater size and heavier broadside of the Gotheborg would probably be decisive. Boarding would be dicey for Shtandart too, as the greater height of Gotheborg's deck and masts means its crew could fire down from cover onto the exposed deck of Shtandart. A volley of grapeshot as the crew tried to board would be murderous.

[@GefreitervonAdler]

@@antonbrakhage490 yes, if Shandart can rake Götheborg, it is pretty much over. It would depend on the wind conditions and which ship was upwind, and thus had the ability to manouvre. Both ships are full-rigged ships, so their ability to sail against the wind would be similar. Manouvrable did not mean the same thing during the age of sail as it does today. That said Götheborg was an east indiaman, a merchant ship, while Shandart was a ship of war, so I would expect the Russian frigate to have a more well-trained crew and be much stronger in a boarding action.

[@Eyeless_Camper]

We may not have been at war for a few 100 years but we still have our fair share of naval battles. :3

[@DV-cm3tb]

It ruins it for me when the ships move without the sails. It just makes it look cheesy. Why bother doing the reenactment when you use a diesel engine to move your ship?

[@dysonnickle283]

Daniel Vieau They are under trimmed sails to control their speed coming in.

[@bjahava]

What engines are you talking about?

[@MinSredMash]

Dyson Nickle No, they're sails are doing nothing whatsoever. They are clewed up, in preparation for furling entirely.

[@MinSredMash]

Daniel Vieau Because you need a very large and well-trained crew to safely maneuver a large square rigger in confined waters. To fight under sail, they would have to be too far out in the bay for sightseers to even watch. Either that or possibly risk fetching up on that breakwater if the wind and tide was uncooperative.

[@Jiskpirate]

If the wind isn't in your favor (you can see there's little to no wind in the video) or if you don't have the wheater gauge it was a common practice to use longboats or horses on land to manoeuver the ship into port. Since neither really create the feeling of a naval battle, using a diesel motor is the only option. Fine example is the Batavia, a dutch 17th century East India Man replica which was transported to Sidney for the Olympic games in 2002 or so I believe. There she sailed on her own power for the very first time (she has no motor) but had to be towed out of the port first for a couple of miles, since it's damn hard to control a wooden vessel in a port. Not having a motor brings many problems, even though I love the Batavia the way she is. Right now she's rotting away in a lake where her keel is touching the bottom and can't sail away due to not having a motor. A shame really.

[@antonbrakhage490]

Love this. I've been doing a bunch of pirate research lately, and these ships (or rather, the originals they are replicas of) are pretty close to the sorts of ships the most successful pirates would have commanded, and attacked. I did some quick Wikipedia research after watching this, and Shtandart was operational all through the end of the Golden Age of Piracy, and carried the exact same number of guns as Black Sam Bellamy's Whydah Galley. The bigger Gotheborg was built a bit later, but in size is a pretty close match to Blackbeard's Queen Anne's Revenge (which carried some canons of Swedish make). Also a video of a Swedish and Russian ship facing off seems weirdly fitting, considering who just joined NATO today.

[@thedictationofallah]

DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT Learn about pirate history on the internet, it's all myths, especially wikipedia, do not read cheesy websites on pirates. There are too many fallacies and lies in them, if you ever need to learn about pirates, read period accurate authentic journals of the pirates themselves. Like Cpt William Dampier or Cpt Barthomelow Sharp's, or watch this youtube channel called "Gold and Gunpowder", the only youtube channel that tells you real information on pirates with sources in the desc. Or listen to the Pyratical podcast.

[@blank5390]

Magnificent and majestic.

[@FrenchFarmhouseDiaries]

Beauty to behold thank you for sharing love you guys

[@Jorgen87]

.. I wonder when the UK is gonna build one of their large battleships, during that era... even a 2 floor gunplatform..

[@IowanLawman]

There are two. One is the Victory and the other is Trincomalee. Both are 200+ years old.

[@AndersJackson]

Sweden already have a big battle ship, just go to Stockholm and see Wasa. :-)

[@GorinRedspear]

given the surroundings, the smaller, more agile Shtandart should have an edge, but it seems Götheborg not only outguns, but also outmanouvres the russian

[@Lenzp]

No, they simply came from outside and sailed to their destination in the harbour, and during this trip they made as much noise as possible, that's all. Götheborg has a much bigger crew than Shtandart, so there are more men available to load the guns, but I don't know if this was the case during the battle.

[@MinSredMash]

GorinRedspear They're using diesel engines, lol. Who knows what they have hidden below decks? Gotheborg could have much better propulsion.

[@vinsanchez1066]

+TrueBlogge777 I know this is an old post, but, I just saw the vid. Actually, I think the smaller ships guys, even at that range, would do minimal damage to the hull of the other ship, it would be best to fire grape or canister towards the gunports and hope to get her gun crews, the bigger ship would fire over the hull on purpose...it would take out the smaller vessels rigging in a flash, then the small one would have no way...she would be boarded, and most likely, depending on crew....taken a prize! But, yeah, since they are not sail powered....it's all conjecture.

[@MinSredMash]

+vinsanchez1066 And what knowledge are you basing this on? Shtandard (the smaller ship) carried guns capable of penetrating the sides of every ship ever built, until the age of ironclads. She would actually have superior firepower and similar crew size, relative to the merchantman.

[@vinsanchez1066]

No practical experience or knowledge of course...as I never served aboard a wooden ship, but a fairly decent amount of readings on shot and sail battles from US and UK naval history. That being said, there is a significant difference between penetrating the "side" of a ship as you say, compared to penetrating the "hull." Putting a ball through the gunnels and sending splinters everywhere would make for a messy deck, but that doesn't mean it could do the same damage at or below the waterline which would cause her to take on more water than her pumps could spit out, Now, if the ship has carronades, yes, it would do serious damage to anyone unlucky enough to come along sides with her. Alas, I was giving an opinion based on what I saw, and MORE often than not, smaller ships that did not have carronades, did not have the capacity to carry serious ship sinking broadsides of iron...HENCE, why they would target rigging, masts, steerage and personnel. What do you base your statements on? I'm always eager to learn something new.

[@vinm300]

It reminds me of the Spanish Armada 1588. Spanish ships were huge and remarkable the bronze cannons had to be loaded from outside : by dangling over the edge. The much smaller English (and Dutch) ships could manoeuvrer and fire much better.

[@bandit5272]

Were the seagulls having a fight too?

[@anotherjacksparrow4480]

is it possible that both ships sails very fast, even the they are half sails? or they're powered by an engine?

[@axebearer]

At least the Götheborg has engines installed. There were modern safety standards they had to meet, such as fire cells, emergency exists etc. that didn't exist on the original. So although they don't use the engines for anything but emergencies and harbour maneuvers, they are installed.

[@anotherjacksparrow4480]

but the sails can be operated, isn't it?

[@andoniarmentia1024]

gidan trahkusumo they normally use them

[@Lenzp]

Of course by engines. It is strongly forbidden to use sails in a harbour.

[@Lenzp]

Watch my other videos, then you can see them sailing without engines.

[@santifresnel2320]

Dont bring a Shtandart to a Göhteborg fight.

[@Vladferrum]

Actually size is not important in this case. Shtandart is a war frigate with trained crew and boarding action capabiliies, while gohteborg is cargo trader ship, not intended to fight, but just to proect itself from raiders. Also they have approximately same quanity of guns, but big ghoteborg is easier to hit, then smaller shtandart. So historically, maybe shandart would have more chanses to win in such a fight.

[@OSSY17]

@@Vladferrum but Gothenborg would win anyways ,she is heavier and have more guns on the ship and could take more damage against the opponent

[@Vladferrum]

@@OSSY17 if you say so

[@MrTigroz]

The Shtandart = You. The Götheborg = The guy she tells you not to worry about.

[@PaavoLammikko]

What! Every single shot missed..!?

[@carolusrex8488]

the left vessel was used in the film Admiral i think.

[@Manaritzis88]

01:10 that shot looks great allmost powerful like yhe real ones

[@jusufagung]

Are they sailing with their Diesel engines? I don't see the sails open

[@120masterpiece]

yes

[@AndersJackson]

They was in the harbour, not allowed to manoeuvrer with anything else.

[@SupportOurTroopsINC]

is this avail under a creative commons license?

[@Lenzp]

Do you need a copy? For which reason?

[@noname-yo6yn]

Are the guns from the Gotheburg the more powerfull ones or just original and not Pyro guns? Or Why do the guns from the gotheburg sound so much better?

[@Lenzp]

The guns from Götheborg are much bigger than the guns from Shtandart. AFAIK they both are real guns, but I suppose on Götheborg they use more gunpowder. The real diffence is: the guns on Götheborg have no firing hole, they use electric igniters. On Shtandart they use mostly a match, but they have also traditional lighters as used 300 years ago.

[@noname-yo6yn]

@@Lenzp thx for the fast answer. Still the guns from the gotheburg sound much much better

[@ronchilled]

Beautiful

[@olisnuggs8216]

Does this damage the ships?

[@AndersJackson]

Only gun powder shot. It is saluting shots.

[@holabuenas7200]

No, this only powder shot, if it were real the guns would be a lot louder, and you would actually be able to see damage.

[@lurkenskanal405]

in a real lineup battle like that gothenburg whould totally destroy Shtandart. its larger, has more crew and outgun its opponent. but the Shtandart whould never engage it like that, it whould rather use its speed and manouverability to gain an advantage.

[@MinSredMash]

Lurkens Kanal Actually, no. Gotheborg is a replica of a merchant ship. She only carried 30 guns historically, which is pretty much the same armament as the Shtandart. Because the latter is a naval frigate, she would carry proportionately more crew, who would likely be better trained.

[@lurkenskanal405]

its still more fire consentration on a smaller target, and by outgunned i ment it has larger guns and the crew whould get to shoot downwards on the other ships deck with muskets, means little to no cover

[@MinSredMash]

+Lurkens Kanal Again, Gotheborg was a merchant ship, which means her guns would be of very light caliber. A naval frigate could batter her into submission from beyond musket range. If you read about naval history, encounters between warships and merchantmen only ended one way--in the capture of the latter. Large, heavily-armed merchantmen like Gotheborg were captured by ships even smaller than Shtandart. And for obvious reasons: they weren't meant to fight.

[@lurkenskanal405]

MrChyort wall of text, im not in the mood. im sure whatever you said makes a whole lot of sense

[@AndersJackson]

@@lurkenskanal405 Göthenborg had 30 6 pnd guns, Shtandart had 20 6 png guns. So Götheborg out gun Shtandart with 50% more guns. But, they would not used Shtandart to attack Götheborg alone. It would been a bigger battle ship, or many smaller ones. And then the soldiers from several Shtandart size ships would try to get onboard.

[@ScandinaviaUnite]

Well, RTO41, the REPLICA of Götheborg had 10 guns. The original one had 30 guns. Considering her size and tonnage, the guns were most likely even bigger than the ones on Shtandart frigate. Shtandart is a lovely ship, though!

[@Eselfar]

Where have you see he had 30 guns? East Indiamen (like Götheborg) were merchant ships, so 30 guns is not too much?

[@ScandinaviaUnite]

Eselfar On the Swedish wikipedia article about the Götheborg. Perhaps it seems a bit excessive now a days, but at the time I do believe they felt that some protection were necessary since these ships carried valuable cargo.

[@MinSredMash]

ScandinaviaUnite Indiamen were still merchant ships, so the guns were often of very small caliber.

[@hectorfive222]

A much smaller ship. Are they mental???

[@richardbledsoe1339]

In the Aubrey-Maturin series Jack Aubrey takes on the Spanish Xebec-Frigate Cacafuego (32 guns, yes the name means "fire s***ter) with only his beloved brig Sophie (14 guns) and captures it. This was based upon the battle fought on 6 May 1801, when Admiral, Lord Thomas Cochrane (then a Master and Commander himself) took on the 32 gun Xebec-Frigate El Gamo with his brig HMS Speedy (14 guns). The former was four times larger, and had six times the crew, as the Speedy at the time of the engagement only consisted of 54 crew. Lord Cochrane managed to only lose 3 men killed, and nine wounded, while the Spanish lost 14 killed, 41 wounded, the ship and rest of the crew captured. In the Age of Sail, many times outgunned and outnumbered ships sometimes rose to the top through expert sailing, tactics, and/or the weather.

[@Lenzp]

"Shtandart" was a war ship and needed to be fast and nimble. "Goetheborg" was a trading ship and needed to contain as much cargo as possible.

[@aniket33591]

felt like only 1 crew was firing all guns from Shtandart

[@shakes.dontknowwhatyergettin]

It would actually be an interesting match in real life.

[@antonbrakhage490]

Yup. Gotheborg is the bigger ship by far, presumably more durable. Its greater height would also have been a huge advantage at close range or during boarding, as its crew could have fired down from cover onto the deck of Shtandart. On the other hand, Shtandart would likely have been more manueverable. If it could avoid a broadside duel and instead get in front of or behind Gotheborg and then rake it, that would have been a bad spot for Gotheborg to be in. Also Shtandart was a naval ship while Gotheborg was a merchantman, so that might have factored into the training and discipline of the crews.

[@amirhabani]

"НАЗЛО НАДМЕННОМУ СОСЕДУ ЗДЕСЬ БУДЕТ ГОРОД ЗАЛОЖЁН"

[@ronadpaugh44]

that small ship is a one shot wonder.one shot and they wonder if they hit anything or not

[@msmgaragegame2218]

why not sunk ship sir ? why T_T

[@madscientistme]

They arnt sailing for real?

[@120masterpiece]

No, they're both under engine power. Modern maritime law requires the use of engines while in harbor for ships of a certain size. They both can sail though.

[@madscientistme]

@@120masterpiece i see thank you for explain ^^

[@120masterpiece]

@@madscientistme No problem, glad to talk naval stuff!

[@lurkenskanal405]

0:38 puff! BAM BAM BAM BAM!!!

[@jindrichsander7271]

that makes me want to be a pirate! 😀

[@christianlebordelais]

Une belle arrivée

[@tsuaririndoku]

All we need is POTC theme

[@vargyr1040]

Not a contest the Gotheborg would win if a real battle the only way the Shtandart would win is if it hit the magazine of rudder.

[@shakes.dontknowwhatyergettin]

lol no. The Gotheborgs maximum ambition would be to persuade the Shtandart to seek less dangerous prey. Most likely she would succeed in doing that.

[@David123321]

Götheborg was not even a warship

[@torstenlandsson9757]

@@SwedishBroManDude Yes but it was used to bring spices and other valuable things back from Asia

[@richardbledsoe1339]

Merchantmen in those times would at least carry something in the way of armament. Protection from pirates, privateers, or hostile nations. Whether they had enough guns, powder, and shot, and a trained crew to make a difference varies case to case. Sometimes, it was enough.

[@lutzderlurch7877]

A replica ship should have no problem at all carrying full size real guns. But full size guns are expensive. The Price of a small new car each. Also, larger guns need more powder to really roar, and though powder is not that expensive, it adds up, plus the legal hustle carrying around a decent amount of explosives. The only thing where weight might come in, is with operating the guns: those ships used to have huge crews, esp. war ships. And todays reproductions tend to have a few dozen at most core crew and some trainees. So manpower is limited Bring in a 74 Gun ship with full armament, and you have some 700ish people crammed in to operate sails and guns simultaneously, stocket with literally tons of gunpowder and if they were full time professionals and allowed to drill and exercise guns regularly, too, they‘d be absolutely terrifying to see sailing towards you, gunports open, flashing the bright red inside paint, with dozens upon dozens of red painted Gun muzzles sticking out

[@AndersJackson]

@@SwedishBroManDude Götheborg was a trading ship. And as such, she needed to have some way of scare pirates away.

[@AndersJackson]

@@lutzderlurch7877 Götheborg was a trading ship. And you count in the soldiers in those 700 people. If you only want to operate the ship and cannons, you don't need that many people.

[@ulflidsman3064]

Remember Poltava :-)

[@timkuttler4773]

More epic than Pirates of The Caribbean

[@SonsOfLorgar]

Unfair fight much? XD

[@patsheppard2616]

Where’s the damage. Are they using cannon balls.

[@gundalfthelost1624]

Yes OF COURSE! They are just casually shooting real cannonballs at each other, killing and maiming for fun! Breh....

[@Sean-Govaerts]

I now want to see a Battle between the götheborg and the batavia but the batavia is not sea worthy at this time

[@Boxghost102]

Shame we can't get USS Constitution across the ocean for a free for all.

[@papagary7723]

No damege?

[@holabuenas7200]

Of course not, it's a real battle.

[@lolipopplayzzz7825]

Shtandart: *fires once* Gotheborg: FIRE ALL! New lesson kids: Never fire at a ship which is bigger than yours XD

[@chikokishi7030]

I totally read that as "Shit and Dart"

[@jourecqua]

Swedish ship looks wealthy as its country.

[@initialjeff2476]

ac4 any one?

[@knightman4574]

If standard got closer they would win for the Gotheborg’s guns is out of reach

[@leviafan6288]

Чёрная жемчужина бьётся с перехватчиком

[@RTO41]

I only see 5 cannons per side at the Götherborgh (10) and it has the shape of being an indiaman, while Shtandart has a total ammount of around 25 guns + being a military frigate (flagship of Peter the Great's navy). So I see Shtandart has the winner.

[@antonbrakhage490]

Well, according to Wikipedia Gotheborg actually had 30 guns, to Shtandart's 24 (upgraded to 28). Probably they're just not firing them all here because it takes a LOT of crew to operate canons.

[@pellerabe9604]

Big boys play

[@silava67]

стрельба велась вишнёвыми косточками. ;)

[@алексПетерс]

Как всегда русские и шведы северную войну не забыли

[@Ummba13]

Imagine someone just firing a rocket launcher at ship in between the battle xD

[@alfaomega1941]

Shtandart : " puff " Everyone: ........ Götheborg: I took that personal

[@OSSY17]

If that would be real cannon balls ,Gothenburg would win that battle without problems :))

[@workingpeon9316]

Dammit Atkins I told you to not put the cannon balls in. Great looks like we've sunk the Gothenburg.

[@Dennan]

Russia had better ships they could have used for much more fair fight, if it was that time and age still.

[@Francis-hr6jh]

Ha ! I reckon britain..

[@cardy4ever]

No. Chapman was Swedish. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredrik_Henrik_af_Chapman First naval architect. Today some of the worlds most modern warships and submarines are Swedish made. The ship in the video is currently the worlds largest SAILING wooden ship with everything handmade and authentic to the bone. But it is not a warship it was a trading vessel for the Swedish East India Company hence only six something cannons :). Sweden however at many points throughout history had the worlds largest warships. One must remember that we Swedes haven't always been progressive and for peace. We take our defense very seriously but back when we were constantly at war with either Russia/Poland or Denmark or Germany. And before that Vikings. And everyone knows how much the Vikings loved their boat building and sailing :). The Finnish name for Sweden (Ruotsi), is derived from an Old Norse term for "the men who row" (rods-) as rowing was the main method of navigating the rivers of Eastern Europe, and that it could be linked to the Swedish coastal area of Roslagen. Literally the translation of Swede in several languages is men who row. We like our boats and ships!

[@minder01]

Dennan Swedens ships were designed by the dutch, so no.

[@michelerignanese9419]

Les canonniers ne sont pas doués, pas un seul mât n'est tombé !

[@biyahenisato5116]

Cannon balls is better to see the durability of the ship.

[@wessle3233]

shtandart picked the wrong fight lmao

[@hakanliljeberg790]

The battle between the lion and the mosqito..😎👍🇸🇪🇷🇺

[@brettvalerybrett730]

..

[@tommiatkins3443]

This is like a reenactment of a ww2 tank battle where the vehicals are being towed by horses. Use the freaking sails.

[@Poetria_Elysia]

None sunk

[@Collateralcoffee]

By noise alone Sweden wins. Russia gets full points for effort and cuteness.

[@alfredjacobson7607]

Göteborg

[@RunningDarkMare]

[@blu7855]

this is fake, i want to see a real battle, with real guns and cannon balls

[@Lenzp]

Why?

[@aceous99]

ill pay a dollar to see that!

[@minder01]

Blu People would die, kid.

[@kaindestuto2053]

You know what scares swedish warships? Danish warships.

[@colegilliam2379]

This is terrible

[@sunvulcansunvulcan5337]

Shtandart: "puff" Götheborg: "BOOM"