Battle for Eastern Airlines Part 1

[@ACLTony]

Excellent documentary. Glad to see that the narrator presented both sides of the issues without bias instead of the typical "one-sideness" that we see on a lot of today's documentaries. I remember how sad a lot of us felt back then when Eastern Airlines disappeared.

[@YardKat666]

12:23 "borman is creating this situation. Anyone can drive a company down the tubes." That was my grandfather. He has recently passed. We live and miss you. Thank you for a legacy that continues Papaw!

[@AgentSkoal]

My Grandfather was also an EAL pilot. He's 89 and not in the best shape at all but He blamed Lorenzo and the Unions. Perhaps he knew your granddad. What was his name?

[@BassMasterBruce]

@@AgentSkoal Pretty sure he's referring to Charlie Bryan, head of the Machinist Union

[@mikeller60]

How much of a pay cut were all the executives going to take?

[@thegreatbungholio21]

As this happened when I was about eleven years old it is interesting to see a documentary through my now obviously adult eyes. Thanks for posting!

[@craigjackson2428]

Yes, i remember this broadcast as a young aviation enthusiasts! I certainly remember the turbulent deregulated 80s, 90s, 2000s of the airline sector to today's full fledged consolidation with new technologies in cockpits, cabins and airports. What a wild, wild, wild, wild ride as I always will remember of the airlines.

[@RobertPlattBell]

I ran into some retired Eastern Airlines pilots, who really got screwed by the bankruptcy. In exchange for pay raises, they asked the company to fully fund the pension program, which the company did. In bankruptcy, the judge lumped their pension plan assets with that of the other workers, and they got 40 cents on the dollar. How sad.

[@margieb1850]

+Robert Bell My father was one of those screwed...We still love Eastern and the airline it used to be before it got raped by Lorenzo and the awesome employees who were the true life blood of that airline...and he gets together with many of them once a year. I do miss The Wings of Man!!

[@schnellguy]

THIS IS OUTSTANDING,I worked at EA for 21 years.American Airlines is next.Thanks for this posting.

[@carminezambrotto4926]

I. Agree. The new eastern that was reborn in2015 is gone rip.

[@mitchsalawine5420]

Frank Boreman, there's nothing wrong for the President to show up in a limo, wearing an Armani, and take his jacket off and help the baggage handlers and mechanics. A President is a President. And a human being is a human being. You can indeed be both. And they are Not mutually exclusive. That is how I try every day to run my outfit.

[@BlueSky-qv7cd]

I have been a airplane buff since I was 8 years old, and as a consequence spent 20 years in Commercial Aviation, when young people ask me about a career in aviation I tell them no way! all these carriers Eastern, Braniff, TWA, Pan Am etc. before going out of business spent the employee funded pension programs, and the supreme court ruled that what they did was legal. Their is no job security in commercial aviation and no retirement unless you work for the FAA.

[@yamato0965]

"That question has HAUNTED Eastern Airlines..." (chuckle)

[@WhateverMcCoy]

Dismantling Eastern was about the only thing Lorenzo could have done. That airline was a mess even before the free-for-all from 1978 on and was basically unrescuable. If someone wants a good to great read on the general subject of successful or unsuccessful management of an airline in a deregulated environment, look for some copies of "Rapid Descent" and "Hard Landing".

[@DisappearingBoy2010]

Just goes to show you...unions don't give in, company folds. Unions cooperate, company continues on i.e. Delta. Unions are an outdated concept. Pay for performance, not pay just because.

[@johniii8147]

Eastern was always badly managed. The failure was never hard to predict

[@bobbypaluga4346]

As a frequent flier Lorenzo destroyed every carrier I loved. I may hate the guy as much as the employees did

[@Red-jo2yu]

Homework got me here

[@jslasher1]

Lorenzo ruined every business he got his hands on.

[@bdinchi]

I remember EAL very well. I used to fly them in the 70s & 80s. I also remember when they out of business in 1991. I think Pan Am also went out of business later that same year.

[@josephtafur]

Yes eastern shut Down in 1991. Pan am followed on December 4

[@RobertPlattBell]

The real issue here isn't management versus labor, but an atmosphere of passing on costs to the consumer (allowable under the CAB regulations) versus the necessary cost cutting in the de-regulation era.

[@tillyboos]

Lorenzo is a Union buster. Plain & simple.

[@FetchTheSled]

the hostility reminds me of GM, unions and management, employees and managers playing games, tit for tat. everyone loses.

[@davidg3376]

How dare these "greedy" workers want a living wage, how dare they! When these poor abused under appreciated CEO's are scraping by with their poverty salaries of TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

[@ladybug4408]

It's ALL these greedy selfish CEO's who are responsible for ruining the United States economy. They hog up all the money from the corporation they work for yet they do the least amount or "real' work. WHY is there ONLY one person awarded in these big companies? Doesn't it make more sense to spread the wealth why is only one person profiting from profits? We hear of them getting fired and oh yeah, they'll take 200 Million dollars with them when they go. Something is SO wrong with these scenarios, wake up sheeple.

[@rickravenrumney]

Now the airline is gone with all their employees with nowhere to go. I watched it all. Shame.

[@jimdep333]

The U.S. had lost more than 2.8 million jobs since the passage of the stimulus bill and its promise of “shovel ready projects” that was supposed to prevent unemployment from going over 8%. It failed to create jobs, but only massively increased our debt.

[@MsTommyknocker]

How can AA be saved??

[@stanislausroshan913]

When companies don't teach employees how to live within 70% percent of their wages and also assist in getting competitive loans and multi skill, it's a matter of time before the company will have to face strikes and bankruptcy when they are unable to execute any mitigations either short or long term when they are faced with competition.

[@billmichael1457]

I miss EAL. Thought the very best. Never a problem. Always flew with if where I was going! From prop planes to of course jet liners.

[@RobertPlattBell]

Remember "Whisperjets" and the sexy stewardesses? Those were the days!

[@DavidHaft1970]

Let's hope the new Eastern doesn't wind up like the old one.

[@JustinMiller]

David Haft happened to stumble across your comment. Here it is 3 years after Eastern's return and they're gone again...

[@RONWOLPA]

The character Gordon Gekko´s takeover on that fictitious Bluestar Airlines , on the Oliver Stone´s movie Wall Street - 1987 , was based on Frank Bastard Lorenzo´s ?

[@chasenip2]

Milken and Carl Ichan

[@brianhoward3947]

eastern airlines, is back! Just ordered 4 New Boeing 737

[@santiagotrujillotobon1879]

11:05 that moment when your OWN employes are carring a coffin whit the company name

[@davidacave]

Can anyone tell me WHEN this documentary was made?

[@f9mike]

can anybody tell me, what did American, Delta, Northwest & United do differently than Eastern, Braniff, Pan Am, Continental and TWA. From what I know (but i could be wrong) Delta, American, Northwest & United didn't have all the problems that the other big airlines had.

[@Imrantub]

roll of dice and luck saved some

[@tlelliott-nc2384]

True of Delta, but the rest had union problems regularly. As an airline consultant for many years, the number 1 reason DL and NW survived and did well was management didn't spend like drunken sailors.

[@KevinDavis338]

That is the key.

[@mitchg7809]

The airlines that survived were for the most part "domestic carries" & were better equipped to adapt to the 1980's & deregulation Legacy carriers such as TWA & Pan Am had been hemorrhaging money for years and had been relying on subsidized routes & contracts Branniff died particularly sad death in that it overexpanded itself internationally when it should have been investing in a more efficient domestic hub & spoke system AA took advantage of Branniff's situation & went in for the kill undercutting them in the DFW market which was their final death nail

[@MsTommyknocker]

If it's going bad with AA does that mean it isn't hiring new aircraft technicians??

[@doc7austin]

Eastern Airlines currently has 377 planes; 42 of them are Airbus A330 longhaul planes; 120 of the 377 planes are A320; Eastern is part of Skyteam; They have recently introduced nonstop service to LAX and JFK with the Boeing 777-300ER; What kind of battle are we talking about? Isnt the CAAC controlling everything?

[@cameraman655]

***** At first I thought that was a feeble attempt at humour, what a moron!

[@wmfife1]

***** I will never forget my first time up in any kind of airplane- an Eastern Airlines Martin 4-0-4 out of Atlanta. When the pilots learned I wanted to be a pilot too they invited me up for a tour of the flight deck. I was all of five. It is very likely the person making those statements was not even born then. Eastern and Delta provided almost 100% of my visits home while serving on Active Duty and I always noticed how clean and polished the Eastern planes were compared to the rest. Toward the last part of Part II from the footage of the flight line it is all too evident this was no longer the case. Although I went on to pursue a different career this makes me very sad to watch.

[@wmfife1]

cameraman655 I just learned about this: twitter.com/FlyEastern Is this what is being discussed? News to me. Wishing them the best if so.

[@MrKelleyalexander]

+33ryantan Speaking of China; the airline has the same name as the Chinese version but also has colors similar to Indian low-cost airline called IndiGo and Russian low-cost airline called NordStar.

[@MrKelleyalexander]

+doc7austin Speaking of China; the airline has the same name as the Chinese version but also has colors similar to Indian low-cost airline called IndiGo and Russian low-cost airline called NordStar.

[@RobertPlattBell]

A lot of people credit Ronald Reagan with "deregulation" but the deregulation of the airlines occurred when Jimmy Carter was President.

[@MsTommyknocker]

When the unions are too strong the pilots are paid the same as busdrivers. Thatcher crushed the unions with the army

[@robertweber1357]

You have a grudge against Pan Am and EA. Probably something went wrong on some of your flights. But I can tell you, I flew on many of their flights and was always satisfied with their services.

[@Williamwestp24]

103.

[@evanstar84]

"I want as far away from the smoking as I can get." That would probably be out on the wing...

[@RobertPlattBell]

Why on earth would an airline hire union mechanics to do maintenance? Contract out that stuff!

[@jrs89]

A well-managed, supported, and compensated mechanic is infinitely more productive and cost-effective than contracting it out.

[@travelsonic]

Wow, so they were paying 10,000 times more than they needed to for filters? 0_o Good catch, whoever figured out how they could reduce that cost.

[@my3angels148]

Union yes Teamsters Local 79 Tampa Florida👍

[@CMRinehart]

+Kim Chi Union workers worked very little in an 8 hour day.

[@ttugarygregory]

I was watching the EA shutdown story on the NBC Nightly News that evening and I'll never forget this one still shot of a protest sign that read "WE WIN!" and remember thinking Yeah you and your union brothers won by killing your company and I tried to think about how hostile of a work environment it had to be where being broke/unemployed was better than working.

[@bigstuff52]

You were right on brother. Once the vulture capitalists come in-look out.Don't forget United.

[@videosuperhighway7655]

There was a job in the Machinist union that all they did was cut bolts. if no bolts needed to be cut they would sit there all day waiting. These people made 28 dollars an hour in that time.

[@jrs89]

That's not the machinist's or the union's fault. That's management's fault for not finding a way to effectively utilize that machinist for $28/hr.

[@mitchg7809]

The airline I work for contracts with a catering company. They have a position where the only thing the worker does is slice lemons & limes. After they cut all of their lemons & limes they just sit around all day. They're are not allowed to do anything else per their contract

[@carminezambrotto4926]

Your full of shit.!!!

[@carloswebber9275]

Robert Reich. Qualified for nothing except talking. Breaks me up every time.

[@robertglenn5398]

The military management mentality is what most baby boomers experienced during the 70s when coming on line as young men. My first management job, Radio Shack, was run from Ft. Worth by retired military men who drove us 60s-bred kids crazy. We were to a great degree creative souls who just wanted to have fun selling electronics. Top management, however, had other ideas...wholesale attitudinal conformity for one. I can't remember the number of talented guys who bailed for no other reason than had they wanted the military experience, they'd of entered the military. The turnover was horrendous and the company often failed to recognize why so many hires became early self-fires. Eventually, guys like Rickenbacher destroyed the labor force working the blue collar divisions. Today, Radio Shack is a former giant taken down by an imposed Lorenzo type self-destructive management style that works only while the company is staffed by compliant "yes" men and idiots. From 1990 on, the future was kicking Radio Shack in the nuts but the brain-dead institutional militarists hadn't a clue it was in fact dying. My only hope in 2015 America is that labor experience a major resurgence in an attempt to resuscitate a moribund American middle class which by the day diminishes by the tens of thousands.

[@carloswebber9275]

+robert glenn As a former member of 2 unions, I say goodbye and good riddance the the lazy, ignorant, and impotent union days. The last refuge of the bums we went to high school with is finally dying.

[@robertglenn5398]

carlos webber I have no idea what unions you were a member of but look around and ask yourself where the once prosperous middle class has gone. I was once a contra-union corporate slob who worked against labor as a pawn of my superiors, a move designed to pad the bottom line while reducing piecemeal the income of blue collar workers. We'd invest in a fully functioning factory, fire everyone, sell off viable assets and leave the shell to rot over time. Take a good look at Detroit and see what happens when unions are decimated.

[@robertglenn5398]

fligemon What should concern all who support women in combat roles is their former imperative role during war. It has always been women who put together fractured men following the violence that is combat. It has been women who nursed a sick society back to health once men were finished killing each other. Now, women want to be a part of the ritual. I fear the Clara Bartons of the world are relegated to the dust bin of history.

[@rickt86]

ty for posting

[@mikewatt8706]

Better to keep 75% of something than 100% of nothing

[@Foxx_33]

AA will soon follow suit...

[@earleconnell9798]

Eastern has been selected to survive over Delta. Working in Miami Headquarters, I already had the merger T-shirts (Continental and Eastern), and the future looked bright. We were to be a SURVIVOR OF DEREGULATION. American pilots had been promised if they went along with their management, they would survive and make more salary than all other airline pilots. American "torpedoed" Braniff by unscrupulous "holding" ticket stock and then sending it to the ATA clearing house all at once. Braniff could not make the payment on joint American/Braniff travel without borrowing, again and again. Maytag's airline, National, was already gone,. Few of the original airlines were left, Eastern, Delta, Northwest, United, Continental and PanAm. Cost control of high union rates of pay and inefficient abused work rules, coupled with the need for much greater market share were the only solutions for survival. Col. Borman was hoping Eastern's Unions would follow American's model, outlast Delta, and allow Pan Am to fail and give up market share, as did Braniff, making Eastern the survivor our of Congress's Deregulation act, It was a great plan, but the IAM would make it fail. In the beginning all unions but the Ramp and Cleaning segments of the IAM committed themselves to making Eastern Survive. Earlier, a NASA training capsule cockpit caught fire and the three Astronauts were burned alive on TV. America's space program and JFK''s promise to put a man on the moon was to be cancelled. Col. Borman worked night and day. He had successfully collected the support of Unions at NASA, the Astronauts, investors,, and lobbied Congress together to keep NASA and America's space program intact. They promised Congress there would never be any more sloppy construction, and promised as well improved productivity, a unity of "can do" NASA employees. Then Congress reluctantly agreed to not stop scrap America's Space Program. A few short years later, Col. Borman had rbeen promoted from Director of Flight Operations to CEO/President of Eastern Airlines as a civilian. In his heart, Col Borman believed he and the Eastern workers,(unions/management/contractors, etc.) could do it again as they had done so successfully at NASA -- Survive!. At first, all Eastern unions agreed, except for the IAM under Bryan.. However, unlike the patriotic union workers at NASA, saving Eastern was NEVER in the Hearts or Minds of the IAM's Union Leadership. Instead, it was very much like today with the "Trump Haters", do everything the Union could to destroy Col. Borman and Eastern, even if it meant putting all the Eastern workers on the street. When the IAM demanded even higher pay, a seat at the table (Board of Directors), and even more inefficient work rules (quick hour and non-working leads) Col. Borman finally understood that this was an AFL/CIO/IAM that was set on destroying the airline that had originally been handpicked by America's wealthiest investors/families to survive. Destroying Eastern would be a "shot across the bow" to America's Wealthy families that the IAM would extract their "pound of flesh" for the Deregulation Act, elimination of the CAB, and for not allowing American Labor to own/control at least one Airline, presumably to show America's most powerful families that the Unions could put them out of business.. Foolish thinking. The deep pockets of the investors/banks/wealthy families simply was diverted to / invested in Delta. The deal was done! No more Eastern, and the loyal Eastern Family of Dedicated Employees was thrown to the four winds along with their pensions, seniority, community standing, and industry standing of being THE LARGEST AIRLINE IN THE FREE WORLD. Col. Borman finally concluded that the IAM management had no intention of the airline surviving, and handed Eastern over the Frank Lorenzo with all the Eastern employees glued to the CODACOM and TV way past the deadline for a deal to be struck. Col. Borman resigned and sold the airline to Frank Lorenzo's wife's family. Lorenzo was an attorney, mentored by his in-laws, and he tried desperately to save Eastern. But once the IAM senior management took Col. Borman out of the loop, there was no turning back. Under Mr. Lorenzo's ownership /leadership, System One Computer Sciences and the Ionosphere Clubs were spun off an sold to Continental and Ross Perot. The IAM's hatred of Eastern increased,.Their attempt to beat down Eastern's stock value to acquire the airline failed miserably, and the effort was called racketeering in the courts. Even with all the money held by the AFL/CIO, who wants to invest in a company embracing a horrible management strategy. Like Cuban refugees of Miami, the IAM put together an organizational chart of IAM employees suggesting replacing most of Eastern's best and seasoned trainers, supervisors, department managers, directors, sales team, station managers, and more with their own ramp service and cleaning members. . Meanwhile, Delta took the best of Eastern's and Pan Am's aircraft. Eastern "spun off" assets to American (South American routes), Delta (Eastern's profitable hubs), The Air Shuttle (to Donald Trump). Delta pretty much declined to hire any of the Eastern employees because of the "family embarrassment" of being picked to survive, but throwing it all away, In the End, American made out wonderfully cooperating to survive. Delta (non-union) originally picked only as an "also ran", cooperated labor/management and bought most of Eastern's most prized assets for "pennies on the dollar". Most pilots were oblivious to Eastern Going Out of Business Sale but the ALPA union had joined the Ramp Service/Cleaners folks as AFL/CIO brothers.. Mr. Lorenzo had offered them "a sweet bridge deal" of maintaining their seniority, no merging of seniority with Continental, no interruption in pay progression, and an equal or greater number of airplanes in the Eastern colors/routes. ALPA's management actually declined to take the offer to the membership of the pilots, and the hundreds of video tapes for the pilots to consider remained on a conference table in Miami Flight Operations until taken to the dumpster when the final nails were pounded into the casket.. I am told, Delta's Chief pilot agreed to support Eastern pilots by not crossing the picket line if the Eastern pilots choose to honorthe IAMs picket line. On the day of the strike, only a handful of Eastern pilots went to work, and not a single Delta flight was delayed because their pilots had no intention of standing up for their union brothers, the Eastern Pilots. Most declined to pay strike benefits as the Eastern Pilots, per say, were not striking, only honoring the picket lines of the Eastern Cleaners and Ramp Service personnel.. As one Delta Captain (family member) put it, if Eastern pilots are stupid enough to give up a perfectly good job, put the airline out of business, we (Delta) would be nuts to not take advantage of it. I dearly loved all of Eastern Air Lines, even the Ramp and Cleaning folks, They depended on their representatives to to the right thing and now many died never enjoying a funded retirement and passes. We all lost our friends. Years ago, we "worked for the airlines" , now the glory days are gone, but it was a good ride while it lasted. My Dad stood by to give blood to Captain Eddie when Captain Eddie's plane crashed at Candler Field (Now Atlanta International) . Jimmy Perry was the Captain and my dad's flight instructor. Jimmy did not survive. Eastern would there after install an additional altimeter in the cockpit (one QFE and two reading QNH) . With Radio Altimeters, we later took out the QFE altimeter. , Marty Shugrue was selected to disassemble Eastern, and Captain Eddie's airline is no more. .

[@Marilynmoore1966]

The saddest part (and I realize ths is very old and really a very dead horse) He could have made Eastern and Continetial the biggest profitable airline in the free world - Eastern had awesome dedicated employees that proved and over and over for years they wanted to make Eastern work. He was just a money grabbing SOB that wanted to dismantle it piece by piece and keep the good pieces (like the most superior reservation sytems in history) for Continetial - sparking the demise of a Great American Company

[@earleconnell9798]

Charlie Bryan was a "head case" that hated Col. Borman. Susan, cautioned Frank that Charlie was an enemy at his core. I knew Col. Borman well (worked for him) and he was an excellent, loyal, patriotic American that on occasion trusted people too much. In the end, we all lost to an AFL/CIO/IAM that wanted to OWN and OPERATE an airline (even it it meant racketeering) instead of enjoying the retirement benefits of having worked for THE LARGEST AIRLINE IN THE FREE WORLD. Col. Borman is a good man and an American hero.

[@railtruckdriver853]

your grandfather was a very smart man. I wish he was around when the governor of South Carolina opened her mouth against the IAM Union.

[@celticlofts]

The workers destroyed that company, there's no doubt about that.

[@davidb.9786]

back in the day had to pick up a check from Eastern at Reagan national before we delivered their fuel. one day i walk in and see all these pilots picketing out front full dressed for more money..oh the irony...hahahahahaha

[@KevinDavis338]

Both sides destroyed the company..

[@carminezambrotto4926]

Bullshit

[@mrblujet]

Sure buddy - like greed is only relegated to particular groups in society. You've never been greedy in your life, eh? And unions are outdated - they have done nothing to prevent to exporting of American manufacturing jobs overseas. Unions today are like racing a Ford Model A in the Indy 500 - they served a purpose at one point, but have now lost their usefulness; especially when the labor bosses now belong to the same country clubs as the CEOs' they supposedly detest.

[@airtexaco]

It seems to me that a union members loyalty is to the union, not the entity who pays them.

[@anthonyrusso1591]

My father worked for Eastern Airlines in Philadelphia Pennsylvania for 30 years he loved that company he a strong union guy he wish it never happen, Frank Lorenzo is a douchebag he destroyed a very beautiful company so sad.

[@Byzantios1]

If only we had know what would be coming....

[@ADFeldbauer]

+Byzantios1 Problem is we did know what was coming. Greedy Unions allowed for inflation of expenses, and overhead. Had the Unions truly worked with Management maybe things would have been better.

[@Byzantios1]

Taylor Madison Shame

[@ADFeldbauer]

Byzantios1 Yes it is a shame because several thousand loyal employees paid the price for the greedy unions.

[@bigstuff52]

You got her nailed Matt. Bitch doesn't have a clue.

[@cameraman655]

Eastern, Pan Am, equaled piss poor service (and I am being nice), constant delays, indifferent employees, hell, they were some 20+ years ahead of the others. But now we can rest assured that UA, DL, AA have caught up and even surpassed the low standards that PA and EA set some 2 decades earlier. Nice goin guys :-(

[@JustinLHopkins]

I agree. A lot of people go on about how aviation used to be so much better. It's just not true.

[@captain757747]

I flew the 757 for Eastern and the pilots from Luftstansa came to us for training and rode the flight deck to see how we operated the aircraft. The FAA rated us as the number 2 airline in the world based on pilot skills, and experience. Our aircraft were always clean ,the flight attendants pretty and the meals were real food. Unlike the sky hags that worked for Delta and American and gave you peanuts for your in flight meal. Why didn't you take grey hound?

[@cameraman655]

captain757747 Agreed on the AA and DL comments. Braniff, WN, PSA and others had some of the hottest Stews in the air at the time. Frankly, I wish FAs were still called "Stewardesses" and of course ALL FEMALE and HOT, made flying so much more enjoyable...

[@kerryincolumbus]

LMAO!!! captain! you made me literally laugh out loud when you said "sky hags" ! that is damn funny! I've read some of your posts here on KZbin.. you should write a book about your p.o. v. of a captain's perspective.. would make very interesting reading, I'm sure!

[@MsTommyknocker]

Isn't going bad with them??

[@m199483113]

raise ur hand if ur here for 254 assignment

[@monte61]

AA will now merge with US Scareways ! Why is the GOVT letting this happen and prices will eventually go uo..for good.

[@philipduffer2669]

Ill take the old CO or EA over this new United any day of the week,

[@DeansofNomadica]

AT 48 SECONDS....Is That Donny Trump?

[@markmnorcal]

scary company

[@monte61]

Airlines today are always bailed out. All the great ones are long gone, PanAm, TWA, etc. They can even buy new airplanes in bankruptcy !

[@jbthesfm]

Gotta love Unions. They'd rather be out of jobs then take pay cuts.

[@jrs89]

What do you expect them to do? Endless accept declines in their standard of living?

[@eat_a_dick_trudeau]

What standard of living do you have when you don't have a job? Hm? Well?

[@jrs89]

What's the point of having job that provides virtually no standard of living? Organizations do not cut their ways to prosperity. They slowly die doing that. The answer to this is not cost. It's focusing on product, customers, and people.

[@airplanebuilderman]

There back

[@harmoneyreilly4225]

So menny airline have went bust up to now I think that the way think are going more will go if you are not the best in menny ways then you will be out and we have seen it the middle east airline are taking over and with Emirates airline has so much orders for more Aircraft

[@chap666ish]

Charlie Bryan. What a liar.

[@thb737]

+chap666ish get your facts. Borman was a crook.

[@chap666ish]

No, he wasn't. Cite your proof.

[@ADFeldbauer]

+thb737 The Crook was Frank Lorenzo. Borman attempted to maintain peace with the workers, yet it wasn't possible because the IAM and the ALPA wouldn't ceed to reasonable adjustments in contracts and benefits.

[@thb737]

Final Destination: Disaster: What Really Happened to Eastern Airlines by George Jehn published October 1, 2014

[@ADFeldbauer]

+thb737 Read it, and it doesn't claim anywhere that Borman was the crook. It does mention the fact that there was unrest between Frank Borman's military style leadership vs the ways that the IAM had discussed which did work for a while.

[@bigstuff52]

Just like United before them. Just read some of the comments of the bozos who have commented here.We are merely a vassal of China now thanks to the great communicator(Reagan) and all the politicians who have gave away this country for the last 35 years.

[@rickster100100]

No kidding. 2 mediocre carriers to form one big cattle-car-with-wings airline. So what ever happened to the air fare wars? A thing of the past. Welcome higher prices. Period!!

[@jimdep333]

The value of unions has passed but the organization lingers like a persistent rash continuing to stifle innovation and suck energy from the economy. Unions solved their last problem more than half a century ago. In our time they are a horrid relic that promotes mediocrity and corruption.

[@DBLONDGENIUS]

that"s BS...WORKED FOR EASTERN ..

[@captain757747]

I worked for Eastern also' I flew the 757 and loved every minute of it. Assholes like Borman who's great claim to fame was to strap a rocket to his ass and circle the moon ( never landed ) an return to earth. Lorenzo was another ass that raided the assets of Eastern one of which was System 1 computer center worth over 2 billion dollars at that time. The final nail in the coffin was Marty Shugrue . This Pan Am reject did nothing more than bleed Eastern until it's final days. We sent Lorenzo a bunch of rubber gloves one Christmas with a note " these are for you to wear so that when you stick your hand up Marty's ass to work his mouth you won't get shit all over it Also let us thank the ass hole bankruptcy judge who wouldn't do a damn thing for Eastern just sat there with his head up his arrogant ass . Eastern was a great place to work and I looked forward for the first time in my career going to work. We weren't just an airline we were a family.

[@schnellguy]

WELL SAID!

[@chrishager3308]

Lorenzo rules........airline unions suck!!!!!!

[@ADFeldbauer]

+Fligemon Hager Lorenzo was a CROOK! Captain Rickenbacker or Borman were better.

[@rickt86]

ty for posting